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Barry

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Jan 16, 2003, 9:53:31 PM1/16/03
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While watching the ABC special "Disco Ball" I realized something. The music
of my youth sucks as bad now as it did back then.

Barry

Dennis Lee

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Jan 17, 2003, 12:26:54 AM1/17/03
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Yep.

EJ

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Jan 17, 2003, 12:40:16 AM1/17/03
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It wasn't that bad, disco got a bad rap - just as rap music does nowadays.
There's a ton of junk produced in any super popular genre but that doesn't
mean there weren't some great artists in the bunch, despite Men At Work and
Kool & the Gang ... and other such bubble gum. And some artists were
"labeled" as disco for money sake by the record companies, anything you
could dance to met the marketing criteria.:

My boys Earth, Wind, and Fire are by any measure and *irrefutable audio
evidence* the greatest R&B band of all time.

There other great artists who dropped in a few contributions to "disco",
like Diana Ross, Rick James, the Whispers, as well as the Maestro, Barry
White ... I even heard George Clinton and Aeorsmith played in "disco-techs".
Hell even Teddy Pendergrass with "Close the Door ", the Eagles "I Can't Tell
you Why", and Rod Stewarts "Tonight's The Night " were at listed at the top
of the disco charts ... they don't make slow jams like that no more.

Ever pull a babe when "Last Dance" was playing?

Or get busy with Donna Summer singing (moaning) "Love To love You"?

All that said it wasn't Frampton (a moment of silence please) ... and it
damn sure wasn't Zeppelin :-)

***
Sorry Kim - I'm just not a Nugget fan.

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sandman89

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Jan 17, 2003, 2:23:55 AM1/17/03
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i actually like a lot of disco (it's really just funky pop to shake your
ass to) but there was a lot of junk and 1 hit wonders, too. it got
watered down, just like any form of music that gets overly popular and
then everyone and their brother tries to capitalize on it.

i like KC and the sunshine band, donna summer, diana ross and then there
were all those 1 hit wonders...

Larry Cottrill

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Jan 17, 2003, 3:30:47 AM1/17/03
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Disco sux... it's a scientifically proven fact...

Kevin Brook

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"Barry" <barr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:<KeKV9.179$FG7.10...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>...

> While watching the ABC special "Disco Ball" I realized something. The music
> of my youth sucks as bad now as it did back then.

"Ain't No Stopping Us Now" by McFadden & Whitehead was the official
song of the Philadelphia Eagles when they played against your beloved
Dallas Cowboys in 1979. That song does NOT suck. It has a positive
message and it sounds great. Usher did a nice job covering that song
on "The Disco Ball".

"Celebration" by Kool and the Gang was the official song of the 1981
Super Bowl as well as the 1981 NBA Championships. Not a bad song
either, even if it isn't their best. It's still played at dance
parties and ice rinks to this day. That wouldn't be happening if it
sucked.

Donny and Marie Osmond gave a rendition of the disco hit "We Are
Family" at the Closing Ceremony of the 2002 Winter Olympics. Sister
Sledge were a great act and this was a decent song, plus they didn't
just do disco songs, they also did R&B and ballads throughout their
career.

So it looks like lots of sports fans, cheerleaders, and players like
disco.

Your blanket argument against disco is pretty weak. EJ mentioned some
great artists.

"Let's Groove" by Earth, Wind and Fire is great.

"Love Hangover" by Diana Ross is great and the opener is nice and
slow.

"You and I" by Rick James is very funky.

"And the Beat Goes On" by the Whispers is great.

"What Am I Gonna Do With You?" and "The First, the Last, My
Everything" by Barry White are mighty fine love songs.

"You Can't Hide From Yourself" was one of Teddy Pendergrass's disco
songs. Again, it's pretty good.

sandman89

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Jan 17, 2003, 4:27:26 AM1/17/03
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i grew up with stuff like van halen, led zep, the scorpions- mostly hard
rock stuff and i thought the same thing...until i actually stopped and
listened and gave it a chance. i like funk and don't mind pop (i'm a
sucker for a good hook).

hey, if you wanna discount all an entire genre of music, like you do
everyone who uses a specific ISP, that's your loss =)


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Larry Cottrill

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Jan 17, 2003, 5:46:25 AM1/17/03
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Tell the truth, you've got a closet full of polyester bellbottoms, don't
you?? Perhaps even a leisure suit??

Larry Cottrill

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Jan 17, 2003, 5:49:10 AM1/17/03
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sandman89 wrote:

> i grew up with stuff like van halen, led zep, the scorpions- mostly hard
> rock stuff and i thought the same thing...

I grew up on blues and folk rock... a little Southern rock mixed in for
variety...

I don't give a rat's ass about a dance groove, I want a good melody and
some lyrics that say something... if the lyrics are good enough, I'll
cut you some slack on the melody...

> until i actually stopped and
> listened and gave it a chance. i like funk and don't mind pop (i'm a
> sucker for a good hook).

> hey, if you wanna discount all an entire genre of music,

If it's disco or rap, I sure do...

Barry

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"EJ" <ejor...@swbell.net> wrote in message
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>
> It wasn't that bad, disco got a bad rap - just as rap music does nowadays.
> There's a ton of junk produced in any super popular genre but that doesn't
> mean there weren't some great artists in the bunch, despite Men At Work
and
> Kool & the Gang ... and other such bubble gum. And some artists were
> "labeled" as disco for money sake by the record companies, anything you
> could dance to met the marketing criteria.:
>

Hey, I was a member of the "KISS Army" and have never been heartbroken as
bad as I was when "I was made for loving you" came out. It seems that
everybody had a Disco song, that didn't make it any less sucky though.

> My boys Earth, Wind, and Fire are by any measure and *irrefutable audio
> evidence* the greatest R&B band of all time.
>
> There other great artists who dropped in a few contributions to "disco",
> like Diana Ross, Rick James, the Whispers, as well as the Maestro, Barry
> White ... I even heard George Clinton and Aeorsmith played in
"disco-techs".
> Hell even Teddy Pendergrass with "Close the Door ", the Eagles "I Can't
Tell
> you Why", and Rod Stewarts "Tonight's The Night " were at listed at the
top
> of the disco charts ... they don't make slow jams like that no more.
>
> Ever pull a babe when "Last Dance" was playing?
>
> Or get busy with Donna Summer singing (moaning) "Love To love You"?
>

I would've played Spike Jones if I thought it might get me some action.

> All that said it wasn't Frampton (a moment of silence please) ... and it
> damn sure wasn't Zeppelin :-)
>

Is Frampton dead? I hated Peter Frampton almost as much as I hated Shaun
Cassidy. Frampton was a good guitarist when he was with Humble Pie but he
got a little cheesy when he went solo. Zep was cool though.


Barry

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Jan 17, 2003, 9:43:53 AM1/17/03
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"Larry Cottrill" <bear...@shentel.net> wrote in message
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> sandman89 wrote:
>
> > i grew up with stuff like van halen, led zep, the scorpions- mostly hard
> > rock stuff and i thought the same thing...
>
> I grew up on blues and folk rock... a little Southern rock mixed in for
> variety...
>

I would have pegged you as a John Denver, Dan Fogelberg and Gordon Lightfoot
guy. Did you wear hiking books and eat a lot of Granola during the 70s?

> I don't give a rat's ass about a dance groove, I want a good melody and
> some lyrics that say something... if the lyrics are good enough, I'll
> cut you some slack on the melody...
>
> > until i actually stopped and
> > listened and gave it a chance. i like funk and don't mind pop (i'm a
> > sucker for a good hook).
>
> > hey, if you wanna discount all an entire genre of music,
>
> If it's disco or rap, I sure do...

Amen to that!

Barry


Barry

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Jan 17, 2003, 10:01:16 AM1/17/03
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"Kevin Brook" <kuz...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> "Barry" <barr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> > While watching the ABC special "Disco Ball" I realized something. The
music
> > of my youth sucks as bad now as it did back then.
>
> "Ain't No Stopping Us Now" by McFadden & Whitehead was the official
> song of the Philadelphia Eagles when they played against your beloved
> Dallas Cowboys in 1979. That song does NOT suck. It has a positive
> message and it sounds great. Usher did a nice job covering that song
> on "The Disco Ball".
>

I guess if you have to rate that song as good, then yea, they did.

> "Celebration" by Kool and the Gang was the official song of the 1981
> Super Bowl

Yea, and how'd that work out for ya? :-)

>as well as the 1981 NBA Championships. Not a bad song
> either, even if it isn't their best. It's still played at dance
> parties and ice rinks to this day. That wouldn't be happening if it
> sucked.
>
> Donny and Marie Osmond gave a rendition of the disco hit "We Are
> Family" at the Closing Ceremony of the 2002 Winter Olympics. Sister
> Sledge were a great act and this was a decent song, plus they didn't
> just do disco songs, they also did R&B and ballads throughout their
> career.
>
> So it looks like lots of sports fans, cheerleaders, and players like
> disco.
>

That doesn't make it good music.

> Your blanket argument against disco is pretty weak. EJ mentioned some
> great artists.
>
> "Let's Groove" by Earth, Wind and Fire is great.
>
> "Love Hangover" by Diana Ross is great and the opener is nice and
> slow.
>
> "You and I" by Rick James is very funky.
>
> "And the Beat Goes On" by the Whispers is great.
>
> "What Am I Gonna Do With You?" and "The First, the Last, My
> Everything" by Barry White are mighty fine love songs.
>
> "You Can't Hide From Yourself" was one of Teddy Pendergrass's disco
> songs. Again, it's pretty good.

I guess it's a matter of taste. Personally, I don't like one song on your
list. Then again you'd probably hate a lot of the stuff I listen to also.

Barry


will

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Jan 17, 2003, 10:05:56 AM1/17/03
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On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 05:49:10 -0500, Larry Cottrill
<bear...@shentel.net> wrote:

>sandman89 wrote:
>
>> i grew up with stuff like van halen, led zep, the scorpions- mostly hard
>> rock stuff and i thought the same thing...
>
>I grew up on blues and folk rock... a little Southern rock mixed in for
>variety...

Lightnin' Hopkins?


will

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Jan 17, 2003, 10:08:17 AM1/17/03
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On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:01:16 GMT, "Barry" <barr...@sbcglobal.net>
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I'd rather hear disco than Tim McGraw sing "Tiny Dancer" on my country
station.

I'm starting to dislike him between that song and knowing what he's
doing to Faith Hill.
>

Barry

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That's the best she could do after her and I split.

Barry

Dr. Trumpet

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Jan 17, 2003, 11:52:54 AM1/17/03
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In article <4HMV9.208$P27.13...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>,
"EJ" <ejor...@swbell.net> wrote:

> My boys Earth, Wind, and Fire are by any measure and *irrefutable audio
> evidence* the greatest R&B band of all time.

Oh yes, EW&F are da bomb!

Dr. Trumpet

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In article <eb613152.0301...@posting.google.com>,
kuz...@lycos.com (Kevin Brook) wrote:

>
> "Let's Groove" by Earth, Wind and Fire is great.

September, Something Happened Along the Way, Boogie Wonderland, Shining
Star, Fantasy,.......shall I continue? They could play.

The horns in EW&F were the same horn players who toured with Phil
Collins during his solo record tours.....they went by the name "Phoenix
Horns" when the toured with Phil.

Dr. Trumpet

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Jan 17, 2003, 11:58:21 AM1/17/03
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In article <rv6g2vsik8cjtfeps...@4ax.com>,
will <wi...@quincycarterbandwagon.com> wrote:

> I'm starting to dislike him between that song and knowing what he's
> doing to Faith Hill.
> >

Barefoot and pregnant is no way to go through life, sister......

Larry Cottrill

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Barry wrote:

> "Larry Cottrill" <bear...@shentel.net> wrote in message
> news:3E27DF...@shentel.net...
> > sandman89 wrote:

> > > i grew up with stuff like van halen, led zep, the scorpions- mostly hard
> > > rock stuff and i thought the same thing...

> > I grew up on blues and folk rock... a little Southern rock mixed in for
> > variety...

> I would have pegged you as a John Denver, Dan Fogelberg and Gordon Lightfoot
> guy. Did you wear hiking books and eat a lot of Granola during the 70s?

Fogelburg is a great favorite of mine, as a matter of fact... I think I
might have had some Denver and Lightfoot on 8-track, way back when, but
they were never my favorites; back then, I had a LOT of tapes...

I'm from the Eagles/Jackson Browne/Bonnie Raitt school of rock & roll...
call it "Desert Rock", LOL... when I first heard the "Hell Freezes Over"
album, I told my friends that the Eagles are where rock goes when it
grows up... their "new" stuff was even better than the stuff I grew up
on...

And James Taylor is why I wanted to learn guitar... I could always sing
his stuff... I also always liked Springsteen, though I really couldn't
tell you why...

Now, for really obscure, I was HEAVILY into Don McLean, of "American
Pie" fame... I caught him in concert one time, he walked out on stage
with that big ol' Martin dreadnought, nary a backup musician in sight,
and for two hours he and that Martin made the most amazing music... from
shuffle boogie to samba, Don showed me an ability as a guitarist that I
never suspected... his voice was mediocre at best, but check out some of
his albums and you might see what I mean about his ability with that
guitar...

And no, I never ever wore hiking boots, and granola tastes like tree
bark... I guess I just defy stereotyping...

Larry Cottrill

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will wrote:

> I'd rather hear disco than Tim McGraw sing "Tiny Dancer" on my country

> station.\

You mean, Elton John's "Tiny Dancer"??

I can't even begin to imagine what McGraw would sound like singing that
one... I think I'm glad I'm not listening to the radio in my Jeep on the
way to work these days (my nephew carpools with me, and I've turned him
into a huge Jim Croce fan with a box set of Jim's best)...

Larry Cottrill

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Allman Brothers... didn't care as much for Lynyrd Skynyrd, with the
notable exception of a couple-three songs...

natch

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"EJ" <ejor...@swbell.net> wrote in message news:<4HMV9.208$P27.13...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>...
> It wasn't that bad, disco got a bad rap - just as rap music does nowadays.
>
disco sucked and rap is the worst form of music ever created

Larry Cottrill

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Jan 17, 2003, 12:27:41 PM1/17/03
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OK, here's a rock story I once heard, I can't vouch for its veracity...

It seems that back when glasnost was just gettin' off the ground, the
Russians wanted an American "rock" band to tour their country... of all
people, they selected the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band... this was back when
they were tryin' to go rock, and just called themselves the Dirt Band...
anyway, the Russians wanted them to bring a female lead singer, and they
supposedly chose Stevie Nicks...

If that story's true, I'd give just about anything to have a bootleg
tape of one of those concerts...

Larry Cottrill

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Jan 17, 2003, 12:34:53 PM1/17/03
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Adding to the list, I have always liked the guys who do the comic
songs... I was devastated when Jim Croce died (I was a lot younger
then), and now I'm a devout Parrothead... in fact, I'm listening to
Radio Margaritaville as I sit here typing this...

Zaxor

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Jan 17, 2003, 12:53:05 PM1/17/03
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Uo Uo Me too!!!!
and oh by the way
I do have Don McClean, Gordon Lightfoot, John Denver, Jackson Browne,
Eagles, Grassroots, Uriah Heep and others on CD had them all on 8 track some
on Reel to Reel than I had them on LP but what I like to listen to with a
women is Moody Blues on a Threshold of a Dream all those old Moody Blues
albums are best with Headphones though.

Zaxor

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Barry

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My wife and I went to a Buffett show in Dallas last year. The parking lot
party was the most creative thing I think I've ever seen. My wife thought I
was weird because I wore a Hawaiian shirt, shorts and a cowboy hat. When we
got to the parking lot party she thought I had dressed down. One guy had a
14-foot trailer filled with sand and a small swimming pool. Another had a
blender, complete with handlebars and a throttle.

The show he put on was just as fun as the party before. Well, except for
the guy sitting in the grass next to us who spent the entire show slumped
over puking in a plastic sack. He did get up once for "Cheeseburger in
Paradise" and then promptly went back to slumping.

All in all a great show and I hope he comes back this year.

Barry

Larry Cottrill

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Jan 17, 2003, 1:00:18 PM1/17/03
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Zaxor wrote:

> Uo Uo Me too!!!!
> and oh by the way
> I do have Don McClean, Gordon Lightfoot, John Denver, Jackson Browne,
> Eagles, Grassroots,

Grass Roots?? Kewl... I thought I was the only one who even remembered
them... back when I was guest singing with the house band at the bar my
fiancee worked at, I made the boys learn "The Runway", and "Move
Along"... I still love the bass line in "Move Along"...

> Uriah Heep and others on CD had them all on 8 track some
> on Reel to Reel than I had them on LP but what I like to listen to with a
> women is Moody Blues on a Threshold of a Dream all those old Moody Blues
> albums are best with Headphones though.

I've got a Moody Blues concert video, I think it's called Live at Red
Rock... I don't even know why I bought it, I'm not a big MB fan, but I
do enjoy haulin' it out from time to time...

Larry Cottrill

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Jimmy's at his very best when he's live... he talks to the people
between songs, and he's quite funny...

If you want a hoot, go to Margaritaville.com, and check out the stuff he
sells in his online store... it's got everything for the devout
Parrothead, from shark fins you wear on your head to parrot beaks...

I made do with a plastic cup and coaster from his Margaritaville cafe, a
poster, a coupla t-shirts and a magnet for the back of my Jeep...

I was also impressed when he became an author... his novels aren't the
greatest, but his collection of short stories was very, very good...
"Off to See the Lizards" (he often used his song titles as titles for
his short stories) was a hilarious story about high school football in
Florida...

Dr. Trumpet

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Jan 17, 2003, 1:33:38 PM1/17/03
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In article <3E283E...@shentel.net>,
Larry Cottrill <bear...@shentel.net> wrote:

> I was devastated when Jim Croce died

Me too. Jim had such a way with words......lyrics meant something back
then.

Dr. Trumpet

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In article <3E2844...@shentel.net>,
Larry Cottrill <bear...@shentel.net> wrote:

> I've got a Moody Blues concert video, I think it's called Live at Red
> Rock... I don't even know why I bought it, I'm not a big MB fan, but I
> do enjoy haulin' it out from time to time...

There is nuthin' like being on stage with the Moody Blues playing the
entire Days of Future Past.............."Dark hearted orb that rules the
night....." sends shivers down your spine.

AL

Barry

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Jan 17, 2003, 1:45:25 PM1/17/03
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"Larry Cottrill" <bear...@shentel.net> wrote in message
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Thanks, added it to the favorites.

> I made do with a plastic cup and coaster from his Margaritaville cafe, a
> poster, a coupla t-shirts and a magnet for the back of my Jeep...
>
> I was also impressed when he became an author... his novels aren't the
> greatest, but his collection of short stories was very, very good...
> "Off to See the Lizards" (he often used his song titles as titles for
> his short stories) was a hilarious story about high school football in
> Florida...

I read, "Where is Joe Merchant" and "Tales from Margaritaville". I get the
feeling there's a lot of his real life in these fictional stories.

You probably already knew this but Jerry Jeff Walker was the man who
introduced Jimmy to Key West. In case you haven't here's a link to an
interesting read.

http://www.jerryjeff.com/jjw.htm

From the article:
Jerry Jeff has lived-and is living again-the troubadour's life. Lots of
musicians talk about the road; Jerry Jeff really is the kid who rode his
thumb out of his hometown in upstate New York to such exotic destinations as
Key West (where he introduced another young musician named Jimmy Buffett to
the pleasures of island life).

Barry

sandman89

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Jan 17, 2003, 1:14:38 PM1/17/03
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i'll give you bonnie raitt but i *can't stand* the eagles (i do like the
song, "victim of love") or jackson browne. good thing music is
subjective =)

the eagles were 1 of the 1st bands to really gouge their fans and jack
up ticket prices to astonishing levels during their reunion tour and i
hate them for that, too.


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sandman89

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Jan 17, 2003, 1:17:34 PM1/17/03
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stevie nicks is incredible (actually, she's lost quite a bit in her
voice...but that happens to any aging rock vocalist). she's still my
fave female singer, tho.


_______
(MST+2) From: bear...@shentel.net

Greg Lentz

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Jan 17, 2003, 1:53:17 PM1/17/03
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On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:24:17 -0500, Larry Cottrill <bear...@shentel.net>
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>will wrote:

Jim Croce was the bomb. Shame he died so young. I still listen to that
music.

Greg Lentz

Greg Lentz

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On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:35:32 GMT, "Barry" <barr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>
>"EJ" <ejor...@swbell.net> wrote in message
>news:4HMV9.208$P27.13...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>> It wasn't that bad, disco got a bad rap - just as rap music does nowadays.
>> There's a ton of junk produced in any super popular genre but that doesn't
>> mean there weren't some great artists in the bunch, despite Men At Work
>and
>> Kool & the Gang ... and other such bubble gum. And some artists were
>> "labeled" as disco for money sake by the record companies, anything you
>> could dance to met the marketing criteria.:
>>
>
>Hey, I was a member of the "KISS Army" and have never been heartbroken as
>bad as I was when "I was made for loving you" came out. It seems that
>everybody had a Disco song, that didn't make it any less sucky though.

But do you own a copy of "KISS Meets The Phantom of The Park" - the
made-for-TV KISS movie? Now that's loyalty.

>> All that said it wasn't Frampton (a moment of silence please) ... and it
>> damn sure wasn't Zeppelin :-)
>
>Is Frampton dead?

Frampton is most alive. Even says so on the album. No hair anymore
though.

Greg Lentz

Greg Lentz

Zaxor

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"Dr. Trumpet" <dr_trpt-...@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Removes the colors from our sight

Zaxor


Zaxor

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