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Ray

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Dec 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/19/99
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On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 01:02:21 GMT, slyd...@yada.yada.yada wrote:

>
>I bet there will be a lot of Chan bashing going on here this week and
>maybe some of it is deserved, bu this loss goes to Aikman... again.
>He had a terrible game. Those people that argue Aikman doesn't belong
>in the hall of fame point to games like this where his team needed a
>comeback and he fell flat on his face. And he did. Those last 4
>passes weren't even near a receiver who could make a play on the ball.
>
>
>This came after the Cowboys got a huge break and the ball in Jets
>territory. Aikman made a horrendous decision to throw the ball to a
>fully covered Deion Sanders. He should have thrown the ball away.
>Troy had a really bad game today and you don;t expect that out of a
>future hall of famer.
>
I still think Troy needs an attitude adjustment. He looked like he
lost the game as soon as he walked on the field. I realize that what
has made him as good as he is is his perfectionism but he still has to
act like he's trying. I hate bringing up Farve all the time but at
least he keeps on playing like means it no matter what screw ups his
fellow team mates make or what kind of scrubs he's playing with. On a
side note, Deion still has some quickness, especially on punt returns,
but he does not have that flat out speed anymore. He's slowed down
considerably. Imo, now is the time to let him go and save the bucks.
Ray


RB

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<slyd...@yada.yada.yada> wrote in message
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>
> I bet there will be a lot of Chan bashing going on here this week and
> maybe some of it is deserved, bu this loss goes to Aikman... again.
> He had a terrible game. Those people that argue Aikman doesn't belong
> in the hall of fame point to games like this where his team needed a
> comeback and he fell flat on his face. And he did. Those last 4
> passes weren't even near a receiver who could make a play on the ball.
>
>
> This came after the Cowboys got a huge break and the ball in Jets
> territory. Aikman made a horrendous decision to throw the ball to a
> fully covered Deion Sanders. He should have thrown the ball away.
> Troy had a really bad game today and you don;t expect that out of a
> future hall of famer.
>
> I have to give it to the refs again this week. The PI on Kevin Smith
> was pure bullshit and the tripping on Stepnoski was just as bad. With
> all the holding the Jet OL was doing today, why did the ref decide
> that Stepnoski's block should be called tripping? It wasn't even in
> the play.
>
> Now for Chan (or maybe Troy). Why don't the Cowboys ever use the
> middle of the field. Those sideline routes are to damn easy to
> defend.

*** Because we have no receivers that can be categorized as "possession
"types....certainly no one with size that is worth a shit

Once the defender gets inside position, where can the
> receiver go? Either long or short, but its going to be straight,
> that's for sure. I think this is all part of Chan's conservative
> nature or maybe Troy's.
>
> Campo also deserves some criticism today. That 3 man rush was
> absolutely crap today. Lucas had all day to throw and that's why he
> was able to find receivers open all the time. Dallas may have
> overreacted to the league's 23rd rated offense.

**** Pass rush was very inconsistent. pressure seemed to come only on the
blitz.

>
> The Cowboys handed Washington the division today and maybe with a win
> over the Giants they make the playoffs as a wildcar. But if Dallas
> couldn't beat the Jets at home who thinks they'll beat either of the
> next two teams they have to play, including the Giants.
>
>

Venger

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<slyd...@yada.yada.yada> wrote in message
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>
> I bet there will be a lot of Chan bashing going on here this week and
> maybe some of it is deserved, bu this loss goes to Aikman... again.
> He had a terrible game. Those people that argue Aikman doesn't belong
> in the hall of fame point to games like this where his team needed a
> comeback and he fell flat on his face. And he did. Those last 4
> passes weren't even near a receiver who could make a play on the ball.

Chan made some boneheaded moves - 3rd and 1 reverse, last drive nonsense,
his team leads the league in penalties AGAIN. But you are right, I have to
give this one to Aikman.

> This came after the Cowboys got a huge break and the ball in Jets
> territory. Aikman made a horrendous decision to throw the ball to a
> fully covered Deion Sanders. He should have thrown the ball away.
> Troy had a really bad game today and you don;t expect that out of a
> future hall of famer.

Deion was getting ZERO underneath coverage all game. The corner would run
deep and have safety help. A comeback route would have torched them...never
called.

> I have to give it to the refs again this week. The PI on Kevin Smith
> was pure bullshit and the tripping on Stepnoski was just as bad. With
> all the holding the Jet OL was doing today, why did the ref decide
> that Stepnoski's block should be called tripping? It wasn't even in
> the play.

Yes, but the Cowboys STILL can't be excused for these penalties. The PI on
Kevin was indeed bogus, but Kevin has to keep his hand off the receiver - I
know I know, let them play, and I agree, but this is the way they are
calling the game now, so Kevin, keep the hand down.

> Now for Chan (or maybe Troy). Why don't the Cowboys ever use the
> middle of the field. Those sideline routes are to damn easy to

> defend. Once the defender gets inside position, where can the


> receiver go? Either long or short, but its going to be straight,
> that's for sure. I think this is all part of Chan's conservative
> nature or maybe Troy's.

Who knows. Some early underneath stuff, but after that, nothing effective
downfield.

> Campo also deserves some criticism today. That 3 man rush was
> absolutely crap today. Lucas had all day to throw and that's why he
> was able to find receivers open all the time. Dallas may have
> overreacted to the league's 23rd rated offense.

No excuse for that pass rush. Putting Leon at end is one of the worst moves
this defense has made all year. Leon's quick moves take him out of running
plays and his presence in the middle was lost. Better to leave Ekuban out
there.

> The Cowboys handed Washington the division today and maybe with a win
> over the Giants they make the playoffs as a wildcar. But if Dallas
> couldn't beat the Jets at home who thinks they'll beat either of the
> next two teams they have to play, including the Giants.

Cowboys will likely win out. But I almost hope they don't make the playoffs,
cause they need to make changes NOW.

Venger

Todd

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Dec 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/19/99
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Ask the Packers how well that three man rush works!

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slyd...@yada.yada.yada

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I bet there will be a lot of Chan bashing going on here this week and
maybe some of it is deserved, bu this loss goes to Aikman... again.
He had a terrible game. Those people that argue Aikman doesn't belong
in the hall of fame point to games like this where his team needed a
comeback and he fell flat on his face. And he did. Those last 4
passes weren't even near a receiver who could make a play on the ball.

This came after the Cowboys got a huge break and the ball in Jets
territory. Aikman made a horrendous decision to throw the ball to a
fully covered Deion Sanders. He should have thrown the ball away.
Troy had a really bad game today and you don;t expect that out of a
future hall of famer.

I have to give it to the refs again this week. The PI on Kevin Smith


was pure bullshit and the tripping on Stepnoski was just as bad. With
all the holding the Jet OL was doing today, why did the ref decide
that Stepnoski's block should be called tripping? It wasn't even in
the play.

Now for Chan (or maybe Troy). Why don't the Cowboys ever use the


middle of the field. Those sideline routes are to damn easy to
defend. Once the defender gets inside position, where can the
receiver go? Either long or short, but its going to be straight,
that's for sure. I think this is all part of Chan's conservative
nature or maybe Troy's.

Campo also deserves some criticism today. That 3 man rush was


absolutely crap today. Lucas had all day to throw and that's why he
was able to find receivers open all the time. Dallas may have
overreacted to the league's 23rd rated offense.

The Cowboys handed Washington the division today and maybe with a win

hamma...@my-deja.com

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Dec 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/20/99
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In article <385d7d3d...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,

slyd...@yada.yada.yada wrote:
>
> I bet there will be a lot of Chan bashing going on here this week and
> maybe some of it is deserved,

Only for the possible late third and fourth quarter play-calling. But
as you say below...

>bu this loss goes to Aikman... again.

You're right. This was Aikman's fault, plain and simple. I'm
beginning to think it's Aikman's fault, period. I've been a pretty
adamant Gailey basher, but Aikman is playing like an overrated and
overrpriced piece of crap. I'd rather have Steve Buerlein, right now...

> He had a terrible game. Those people that argue Aikman doesn't belong
> in the hall of fame point to games like this where his team needed a
> comeback and he fell flat on his face. And he did. Those last 4
> passes weren't even near a receiver who could make a play on the ball.
>

What was up with that? He threw two passes down the middle, both to
Ismail. The first one went for 20 some yards, the other would have
been another first down gain if the ball wasn't thrown behind him. The
last 4 passes were to the left sideline and weren't anywhere near our
receivers. They were closer to the DBs than anyone else. Do we see
the middle of the field more than three times a game?

> This came after the Cowboys got a huge break and the ball in Jets
> territory. Aikman made a horrendous decision to throw the ball to a
> fully covered Deion Sanders. He should have thrown the ball away.

Horrendous is an understatement. Didn't everybody in the world know
that once Deion was in the game that the he was gonna go long? Why not
fake going long and come back up? Why not cut across the middle after
going ten yards down the field? That was a terrible throw, mentally
and physically.

> Troy had a really bad game today and you don;t expect that out of a
> future hall of famer.

4 of 13 in the second half for 34 yards is not the kind of passing
effort you expect from a backup quarterback. He sucked today.

>
> I have to give it to the refs again this week. The PI on Kevin Smith
> was pure bullshit and the tripping on Stepnoski was just as bad. With

The Cowboys should just take K. Smith out. The refs aren't going to
let him play. This is ridiculous. He hurts the team more because he's
almost guaranteed a pass interference call on any deep ball thrown his
way. Pure B.S. Wasn't it last season that K. Smith (number 26) was
called for pass interference when he wasn't even in the game at CB?
Coincidence, I think not. Tripping on Stepnoski, please!!! They
didn't even show a replay of this so-called tripping. The Jets
offensive line was holding ALL day, and it was called ONCE. They then
showed Parcells screaming "Who, who?" on the sidelines. Who,
Parcells? You're WHOLE DAMN offensive line was. You got a freaking
break for getting called on it ONCE. I'm beginning to suspect the refs
are not only as a bunch of idiots, but a bunch of cheaters as well. It
seems like everytime the Cowboys begin to move the ball, penalty here,
penalty there. I'm beginning to suspect that this isn't just a
coincidence...

> Now for Chan (or maybe Troy). Why don't the Cowboys ever use the
> middle of the field. Those sideline routes are to damn easy to

They do, about three times a game, all going for big gains. But for
some reason, they say to themselves, "hmm...We went three times to the
middle of the field and they all went for big gains. We've used up
what is working, let's go back to what isn't..." You know, Lafleur has
6 TDs. Gonzalez and Wells who are the best TEs in the league have 10
and 11 respectively. It's not like Lafleur sucks. Yeah, he drops some
balls, but how many times has he gotten the ball? Everytime he does it
seems to go for a big game. This, IMO, is bad coaching, although I'm
beginning to think the QB has something to do with it.

> nature or maybe Troy's.

I'm beginning to suspect Troy is the culprit.

>
> Campo also deserves some criticism today. That 3 man rush was
> absolutely crap today. Lucas had all day to throw and that's why he

Why do they even go to a three man rush? They ALWAYS screw up when
they switch to this defense. It NEVER works. Lucas had all day to
throw because the Jets offensive line was holding all day and not
getting called for it.

> was able to find receivers open all the time. Dallas may have
> overreacted to the league's 23rd rated offense.
>

I think they had a little help from the refs. The National Football
League is becoming the National Fixed League.

> The Cowboys handed Washington the division today and maybe with a win
> over the Giants they make the playoffs as a wildcar. But if Dallas
> couldn't beat the Jets at home who thinks they'll beat either of the
> next two teams they have to play, including the Giants.
>
>

This season was over when Michael Irvin went down. And last week we
lost Greg Ellis, our best DL. We saw the effects of his loss today as
the Jets and Curtis Martin ran all over us. Can it get any worse in
terms of injuries. This season sucks. What a pure waste of talent due
to injuries. This could have been a great season.

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Jason Florez

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Dec 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/20/99
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Venger (Ven...@augustmail.com) wrote:

: Cowboys will likely win out. But I almost hope they don't make the playoffs,


: cause they need to make changes NOW.

: Venger


I hate when people say that!! why root for them at all if you "hope the don't
make the playoffs?" I can't stand Chan and I want him outta here, but do
I want him to win the last 2 games and make the playoffs? HELL YES!!!!!
Ask the Eagles fans if they like to be in the playoff hunt right now.

changes are going to be made at some level regardless.


slyd...@yada.yada.yada

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Dec 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/20/99
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On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:20:22 GMT, hamma...@my-deja.com wrote:


>The Cowboys should just take K. Smith out. The refs aren't going to
>let him play. This is ridiculous. He hurts the team more because he's
>almost guaranteed a pass interference call on any deep ball thrown his
>way. Pure B.S. Wasn't it last season that K. Smith (number 26) was
>called for pass interference when he wasn't even in the game at CB?
>Coincidence, I think not. Tripping on Stepnoski, please!!! They
>didn't even show a replay of this so-called tripping. The Jets
>offensive line was holding ALL day, and it was called ONCE. They then
>showed Parcells screaming "Who, who?" on the sidelines. Who,
>Parcells? You're WHOLE DAMN offensive line was. You got a freaking
>break for getting called on it ONCE. I'm beginning to suspect the refs
>are not only as a bunch of idiots, but a bunch of cheaters as well. It
>seems like everytime the Cowboys begin to move the ball, penalty here,
>penalty there. I'm beginning to suspect that this isn't just a
>coincidence...
>

Funny you should mention it. I noticed a lot of holding too. There
was one play where hennnings hit Lucas after a completed pass and you
could see teh OLman holding onto the back of Hennings' jersey. No
call. If you go over to the Dallas Morning News website, there's a
picture of Jumbo Elliot holding Ebenezer Ekuban. I don;t recall that
one being called either. As far as I know, only one call was amde
when the Jets TE tackled Pittman.

Venger

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Dec 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/20/99
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"Jason Florez" <jaso...@red.seas.upenn.edu> wrote in message > : Cowboys

will likely win out. But I almost hope they don't make the playoffs,
> : cause they need to make changes NOW.
>
> : Venger
>
>
> I hate when people say that!! why root for them at all if you "hope the
don't
> make the playoffs?" I can't stand Chan and I want him outta here, but do
> I want him to win the last 2 games and make the playoffs? HELL YES!!!!!
> Ask the Eagles fans if they like to be in the playoff hunt right now.

That's why I said *almost*. I can never hope for them not to make the
playoffs...

Venger


Allan Guyton

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Dec 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/20/99
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In article <385d7d3d...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, slyd...@yada.yada.yada
wrote:

[Agreed on Slyd's criticisms of Chan, Troy and refs]

> Campo also deserves some criticism today. That 3 man rush was
> absolutely crap today. Lucas had all day to throw and that's why he

> was able to find receivers open all the time. Dallas may have
> overreacted to the league's 23rd rated offense.

They miss Greg Ellis bigtime. Bigtime. I thought this week they should
stick with Lett, Hennings, and Spellman at tackle and let Ekuban and
Zellner platoon the other DE spot. Ebenezer showed some serious potential,
IMO.

The linebackers didn't take control of this game like they needed to.

> The Cowboys handed Washington the division today and maybe with a win
> over the Giants they make the playoffs as a wildcar. But if Dallas
> couldn't beat the Jets at home who thinks they'll beat either of the
> next two teams they have to play, including the Giants.

It's all irrelevant anyway. While I don't want the Cowboys to lose any
game, sometimes the best strategic decision is to get a higher
draft pick.

Allan

Fed up with the Cowboys

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Dec 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/21/99
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>Wasn't it last season that K. Smith (number 26) was
>>called for pass interference when he wasn't even in the game at CB?

That was this year's Thanksgiving game. The call was supposed to be on Charlie
Williams.

"Look at all those idiots (Look at all those boobs)
A WR group full of morons (Couldn't catch the flu!)
Is it any wonder?! I'm sick of, sick of the color blue?

Damn I'm fed up with the Cowboys."

slyd...@yada.yada.yada

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Dec 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/22/99
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On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 23:47:39 -0500, ne...@guyton.net (Allan Guyton)
wrote:


>> Campo also deserves some criticism today. That 3 man rush was
>> absolutely crap today. Lucas had all day to throw and that's why he
>> was able to find receivers open all the time. Dallas may have
>> overreacted to the league's 23rd rated offense.
>
>They miss Greg Ellis bigtime. Bigtime. I thought this week they should
>stick with Lett, Hennings, and Spellman at tackle and let Ekuban and
>Zellner platoon the other DE spot. Ebenezer showed some serious potential,
>IMO.
>

I think you were right.

>The linebackers didn't take control of this game like they needed to.
>

I tihnk this is because the DL didn't keep the blockers off the LBs.
When you're using a 3 man line, its hard to keep the blockers
occupied.

>> The Cowboys handed Washington the division today and maybe with a win
>> over the Giants they make the playoffs as a wildcar. But if Dallas
>> couldn't beat the Jets at home who thinks they'll beat either of the
>> next two teams they have to play, including the Giants.
>
>It's all irrelevant anyway. While I don't want the Cowboys to lose any
>game, sometimes the best strategic decision is to get a higher
>draft pick.
>
>Allan

I agree, but the Cowboys need more than talent. They certainly have
more talent than they have showed at times this year. They also need
more discipline. Too many costly penalties..... although, I'd like to
go back and review those because tis seems like a lot of those big
penalties are not justified. ThePI and tripping frmo Sunday's game
come to mind.

Allan Guyton

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Dec 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/23/99
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In article <3860ff78...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, slyd...@yada.yada.yada
wrote:


> I agree, but the Cowboys need more than talent. They certainly have
> more talent than they have showed at times this year. They also need
> more discipline. Too many costly penalties...

Yes, they've committed too many penalties, almost always at the worst
possible times, but I also agree with you below:

> ..... although, I'd like to
> go back and review those because tis seems like a lot of those big
> penalties are not justified. ThePI and tripping frmo Sunday's game
> come to mind.

I don't have game tape to back me up, but I seem to recall 2-3
absolutely horrendous calls per game, on average, this season. Maybe
that's high, but I'd be willing to bet there was at least one awful
call in each game, win or lose, this season.

Anyone take these kind of notes?

Allan

slyd...@yada.yada.yada

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Dec 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/23/99
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On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 00:03:00 -0500, ne...@guyton.net (Allan Guyton)
wrote:

>In article <3860ff78...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, slyd...@yada.yada.yada

I've said this a few times already this year and I'll say it again, I
don;t usually use the refs as an excuse but I am beginning to think
the refs are part of the leagues parity plan. Last week I was
watching the Giants-Rams and it looked like the Rams were getting
jobbed all day too. I wish I had the time to watch every NFL game to
test my theory.

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