What Stadium??
Glenn Channell
jimp...@nothere.net (Jim ) writes:
>The NFL has agreed to place a team in Cleveland for the 1999 season.
>They have in fact, already agreed that the first game, an exebition,
>will be played on Aug. 21, 1999 (my birthday, that's why I remember
>the exact date).
That date certainly isn't set in stone. That's the date the
first game will be held on IF the stadium is completed in time. The
deal states that the stadium progress will be judged twice in 1998
(June and October IIRC). If the stadium is judged to be on schedule,
the new team will begin play in 1999. If not on schedule for the end
of July, but on schedule for the beginning of September, 1999, the team
will begin play in 1999 IF the city agrees to schedule all of the
pre-season games as road games. If neither deadline is going to be
reached, the team will begin play in 2000. Obviously, these are the
LATEST a team can start. The team could easily start earlier, and the
NFL has reserved the Horseshoe in Columbus in case it is needed.
If they don't, the penalties involed are in the
>hundreds of millions of dollars range. That is, they would have to pay
>for the enitre stadium, tens of millions of dollars in penalties EACH
>YEAR, until a team is placed and any legal costs incurred with the
>city going to court to enforce the contract. This is a valid contract
>and the NFL couldn't back out without losing their shirts.
This isn't entirely correct. If the NFL defaults, I'm fairly
certain the courts would rule that Cleveland would not have to repay
the $50 million "loan", and the NFL would have to pay the legal fees.
However, there is no tens of millions of dollars per year in penalties.
Instead, the deal contains a SPECIFIC PERFORMANCE clause. In summary,
it says that the value of a year of NFL football is impossible to
determine, and because of this, that monetary payoffs are NOT sufficient
restitution should the NFL breach the contract. Instead, the deal
gives Cleveland the legal right to REQUIRE the NFL to adhere by the
terms of the deal (i.e., to provide a team). They can't pay $10
million a year and delay the new team. They MUST give Cleveland a
new team by the dates specified in the deal (1999 if the stadium is
done by July 31, 1999, 2000 is not).
Joseph Fedorko
On Sun, 20 Jul 1997 02:13:46 GMT, ber...@home.com (Bernie) wrote:
>Meanwhile, if you haven't heard, there WILL be NFL football in
>Baltimore this year and for a long, l o n g, time to come.
There is a team in Baltimore playing games in the National Football
League, but anybody who mixes that up with real professional football
is probably also deluded enough to ignore the fact that there is
construction going on for a new football stadium -- and makes himself
look like an ignorant dork by making scummy and irrational sexual
putdowns in other postings.
>Learn to live with it gents. . . . I'M BACK !!
>
Hey, someone's gotta make Irv Gutin look good.
Bernie
"Dale Fahrney " <One...@Glasscity.net > wrote:
>>Meanwhile, if you haven't heard, there WILL be NFL football in
>>Baltimore this year and for a long, l o n g, time to come.
>>
>>Learn to live with it gents. . . . I'M BACK !!
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>If you call that football I'm glad it's gone.... 3-13 hehehhehehehe
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dan...@worldnet.att.net (Daniel Feltner) wrote:
>ber...@home.com (Bernie) wrote:
>
>>Oh-me-oh-my NFL wanna-bees. How time flies when you're havin' fun.
>>Would you believe that it's been almost 2 years since your Brownies
>>decided to dump you for greener pastures? And by gosh, how 'bout that
>>spankin' new stadium that you were promised to go along with the ALL
>>NEW team in 1999. What's that you say? . . . Not even a hole in the
>>ground? Not even a contract let? Not even any construction folks
>>willing to touch it with a 10 foot pole? But wait . . .you can
>>certainly just hear the BUZZ all over the NFL about the new team being
>>formed for you. . . . . Huh ?. . Ya say you haven't heard a whisper
>>'bout THAT either?
>>Hey. . . do you suppose you guys have been scammed. . . . .Naw. .
>>Tagliaboo-hoo-hoo would NEVER go back on his word. He has his HONOR
>>to protect, his record of truth and honesty to defend, his gutsy
>>leadership of the NFL to uphold. Yeah, sure you'll get your spankin'
>>new team. Sure you'll get your state-of-the-art stadium. Yeah, sure
>>you'll get it . . . . . sometime. And the SUN will burn out . . .
>>sometime. . . . Just don't hold your breath guys. Blue is not a very
>>pretty color on people.
>
>>Meanwhile, if you haven't heard, there WILL be NFL football in
>>Baltimore this year and for a long, l o n g, time to come.
>
>>Learn to live with it gents. . . . I'M BACK !!
>
>
>
>Well I suggest whatever rock you climbed out of, go back to it, cause
>even though you will have a team in Baltimore, there will be no
>football. I
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Yeah, I guess you wouldn't like to turn back the clock and make it ALL
go away. You guys must go around with permant puckers from all those
sour grapes. It's been almost 2 years now fella. Get over it !! . .
or pay the price of jealousy as you have been doing. It's YOUR
choice.
Joe Coulter
Take the day off Bernie?
Joe
Irv Gutin
> >Baltimore this year and for a long, l o n g, time to come.
>
> League, but anybody who mixes that up with real professional football
> is probably also deluded enough to ignore the fact that there is
> construction going on for a new football stadium -- and makes himself
> look like an ignorant dork by making scummy and irrational sexual
> putdowns in other postings.
>
> >
Talk about fooling the public. There isn't a stadium being built on the
lake in Cleveland? I thought you guys HAD to build this stadium before
the NFL would return. It seems Mayor White has other ideas.
Where's the stadium?
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Marko1964
I moved from Akron Ohio to Virginia 2 years ago...(it really sucks
here)...but then again there is no football team in Cleveland so what the
hell. I was glad to see the Ravens play on t.v. down here (screw art
modell) so I could pretend to watch the Browns play (you know, I had to
fill the void...and screw these Redskin fanatics).
However, disgust did soon set in as well as the Budlights on Sunday
afternoons
of how bad the Ravens really were and still are and always will be...for
as long as Fart Modell is associated with that organization...and lets
remember...he don't have any money...boo...hoo. It all goes back to Marty
Schotenheimer leaving the Browns..who could blame him..he was'nt a Yes
Man. Had he stayed things certainly would be different today. And as for
you Baltimore Ravens Fans..I am glad you have something to do on Sunday
afternoons now, however, get your Prozac ready because you are gonna need
it!
Bernie
art...@aol.com (Arthur B. Bietz) wrote:
>On Mon, 21 Jul 1997 02:07:32 GMT, jafe...@waonline.com (Joseph
>Fedorko) wrote:
>
>>Hey, someone's gotta make Irv Gutin look good.
>
>LOL.... Those two belong together...
>
>ArtBtz
>Mr. Reasonable
====================================
I see you still find it necessary to give that little explanatory not
since no one ever gets your point by just reading your inane comments.
Sam Chambers
Bernie <ber...@home.com> stuck his foot in his mouth, saying:
> >ArtBtz
> >Mr. Reasonable
> ====================================
> I see you still find it necessary to give that little explanatory not
> since no one ever gets your point by just reading your inane comments.
Well, Bernie...I see five inane messages from you this morning. Looks like
you're WAY ahead! I guess you have to be good at something, right?
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In a previous article, sam"DOT"cham...@mindspring.com ("Sam Chambers") says:
>Bernie <ber...@home.com> stuck his foot in his mouth, saying:
>> I see you still find it necessary to give that little explanatory not
>> since no one ever gets your point by just reading your inane comments.
>Well, Bernie...I see five inane messages from you this morning. Looks like
>you're WAY ahead! I guess you have to be good at something, right?
Bernie, first off, why have you ignored my posts? I guess you will never
be raised up to debating facts. fine. Give us Browns fans one reason
why we should pay attention to your childish pokes at Browns fans.
You are the QUEEN of inane posts, and your .sig file is stupid. Talk
Browns or get out.
Jake Willis
Finally got my Browns helmut lamp up in the new house yesterday!
My wife *really* loves it (sarcasm)
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Thomas Dale Fahrney
>And by gosh, how 'bout that
> spankin' new stadium that you were promised to go along with the ALL
> NEW team in 1999. What's that you say? . . . Not even a hole in the
> ground?
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The hole in the ground is not as deep as the one in Baltimore.... Modell
needs to bury all the money your guys gave him....
By the way OUR STADIUM CURRNETLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION can be seen minute by
minute.....
WWW.CLEVELANDBROWNS.COM.... STADIUM CAM.......
Whats that Baltimore doesnt have a stadium cam.... Sorry guys....
Not even a contract let? Not even any construction folks
> willing to touch it with a 10 foot pole? But wait . . .you can
> certainly just hear the BUZZ all over the NFL about the new team being
> formed for you. . . . . Huh ?. . Ya say you haven't heard a whisper
> 'bout THAT either?
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You should have heard all the comments about in at the HOF rally today in
CANTON..... OHIO......
THE BIRTHPLACE OF FOOTBALL......
> Meanwhile, if you haven't heard, there WILL be NFL football in
> Baltimore this year and for a long, l o n g, time to come.
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Football and the word modell are contridiction in terms.... Well just call
it a circus .......
Dale
Irv Gutin
The stadium cam in Cleveland shows a lack of work on the stadium
project.
We don't need a stadium cam in Baltimore. Our stadium is being built. It
is one year away from completion.
Cleveland fans booing TAGS at the HOF ceremonies is a better gesture
than giving him an award!
Agent of Fortune
In article <33d25...@news.glasscity.net>, "Dale Fahrney " <One...@Glasscity.net > wrote:
>>Meanwhile, if you haven't heard, there WILL be NFL football in
>>Baltimore this year and for a long, l o n g, time to come.
>>
>
>If you call that football I'm glad it's gone.... 3-13 hehehhehehehe
Fifth best team in the AFC Central again. Any odds on when Marchibroda will
get the can this season? My guess will be after the first loss to the Oilers.
Employed and ready to rumble,
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In article <33DB65...@ea.net.no.spam>,
Irv Gutin <gut...@ea.net.no.spam> wrote:
> The stadium cam in Cleveland shows a lack of work on the stadium
> project.
You always seemed like the kind of guy who flunked shop class, Irv.
Listen carefully ... for a large building to be built without falling
over and going "BOOM!", you need to lay a groundwork of concrete and
steel called a "FOUNDATION." To lay a foundation, one must first dig
enough of a hole in the ground to put said concrete and steel for the
supporting structure. What you see, Irv, is the beginning of the
"foundation" of the new stadium.
I hope you took notes, you'll be tested in a week.
>
> We don't need a stadium cam in Baltimore. Our stadium is being built. It
> is one year away from completion.
REALLY?! WE didn't build OUR new stadium until AFTER we knew we had a
team! If you are building a stadium that's a year from being completed,
you must've started a LOOONG time ago -- and you either KNEW A TEAM WAS
COMING (see Modell postings) or you and your elected officials were
planning to STEAL one.
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Irv Gutin <gut...@ea.net.no.spam> wrote in article
<33DB65...@ea.net.no.spam>...
>
> The stadium cam in Cleveland shows a lack of work on the stadium
> project.
>
> is one year away from completion.
WARNING....I'LL BE ATTEMPTING TO INFUSE IRVING'S BRAIN WITH LOGIC...STAND
BACK....
OK, Irving, now let's think about this for a second. Construction on
Baltimore's stadium began when, in comparison to Cleveland's? I think it's
somewhere between 8 and 12 months, but I'm not sure of the exact dates.
Baltimore's stadium is scheduled for completion in a year, right?
Cleveland's stadium is scheduled for completion when? TWO YEARS FROM
NOW!!!
Now, most people would realize that a construction project that's a year
from completion would actually look like it's farther along in the process,
when compared to a similar project that's two years from completion.
But not Irving! Irving thinks that they should be at the same stage of
construction at any given point in time. Now, I ask you, Irving - what did
Baltimore's stadium site look like a year ago? I know what it looked like
in April when I was in Baltimore, and it wasn't very far along.
If you'd get your head out of your ass for a minute, you'd realize just how
stupid your posts make you appear.
Bernie
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
EMPLOYED HUH DOUGY? CONGRATULATIONS!!
Boy, looks like that DU education REALLY paid off.
BTY . . . I'll have a large order of fries with my burger . . . and
oh . . . a medium Coke.
Irv Gutin
jafe...@waonline.com wrote:
>
> In article <33DB65...@ea.net.no.spam>,
> Irv Gutin <gut...@ea.net.no.spam> wrote:
>
> > project.
>
> Listen carefully ... for a large building to be built without falling
> over and going "BOOM!", you need to lay a groundwork of concrete and
> steel called a "FOUNDATION." To lay a foundation, one must first dig
> enough of a hole in the ground to put said concrete and steel for the
> supporting structure. What you see, Irv, is the beginning of the
> "foundation" of the new stadium.
>
> I hope you took notes, you'll be tested in a week.
> >
> > is one year away from completion.
>
> team! If you are building a stadium that's a year from being completed,
> you must've started a LOOONG time ago -- and you either KNEW A TEAM WAS
> COMING (see Modell postings) or you and your elected officials were
> planning to STEAL one.
>
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Wake up, Blinky!
There is NOTHING going on at YOUR construction sight, A-hole!
Brilliant!!
Irv Gutin
Sam Chambers wrote:
>
> Irv Gutin <gut...@ea.net.no.spam> wrote in article
> <33DB65...@ea.net.no.spam>...
> >
> > project.
> >
> > is one year away from completion.
>
>
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Sammy, You're just plain stupid! No, you are a f**king idiot!!!!
Everybody else in Cleveland knows that the Mayor is re-bidding concrete
contracts. I repeat it very slowly for your simple mind to understand.
There is NOTHING going on in the Hole!
How's that Sammy!
Sam Chambers
Irv Gutin <gut...@ea.net.no.spam> wrote in article
> Sam Chambers wrote:
> >
> > Irv Gutin <gut...@ea.net.no.spam> wrote in article
> > <33DB65...@ea.net.no.spam>...
> > >
> > > The stadium cam in Cleveland shows a lack of work on the stadium
> > > project.
> > >
> > > We don't need a stadium cam in Baltimore. Our stadium is being built.
It
> > > is one year away from completion.
> >
>
> >
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> Sammy, You're just plain stupid! No, you are a f**king idiot!!!!
> Everybody else in Cleveland knows that the Mayor is re-bidding concrete
> contracts. I repeat it very slowly for your simple mind to understand.
> There is NOTHING going on in the Hole!
>
> How's that Sammy!
Irving, only you would post something like this. You try to tell people
how stupid I am, but the only person you quote is yourself! What does THAT
tell you, Irving?!?!?
And yes, Irving, since you got someone to read you the news...The concrete
work and much of the structural steel work is being re-bid. However, I
visited the construction site a few weeks ago while I was in Cleveland, and
there is indeed excavation work going on. Again, you twit, Baltimore's
project is much farther along than Cleveland's, so it's insane to compare
the two.
Irv Gutin
Sam Chambers wrote:
>
> Irv Gutin <gut...@ea.net.no.spam> wrote in article
> <33DE84...@ea.net.no.spam>...
> > Sam Chambers wrote:
> > >
> > > Irv Gutin <gut...@ea.net.no.spam> wrote in article
> > > <33DB65...@ea.net.no.spam>...
> > > >
> > > > The stadium cam in Cleveland shows a lack of work on the stadium
> > > > project.
> > > >
> > > > We don't need a stadium cam in Baltimore. Our stadium is being built.
> It
> > > > is one year away from completion.
> > >
> >
> > >
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> > Sammy, You're just plain stupid! No, you are a f**king idiot!!!!
> > Everybody else in Cleveland knows that the Mayor is re-bidding concrete
> > contracts. I repeat it very slowly for your simple mind to understand.
> > There is NOTHING going on in the Hole!
> >
> > How's that Sammy!
>
> visited the construction site a few weeks ago while I was in Cleveland, and
> there is indeed excavation work going on. Again, you twit, Baltimore's
> project is much farther along than Cleveland's, so it's insane to compare
> the two.
>
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I'm not comparing the two!!
I repeat there is NO WORK going on in the Hole while the concrete work
is re-bid!!!!!
You can now search for any missing dog bones!!!
Once the concrete is poured, FORGET IT!!!!
Irv Gutin
Sam Chambers wrote:
>
> Irv Gutin <gut...@ea.net.no.spam> missed the point again, saying...
> > >
> > > I
> > > visited the construction site a few weeks ago while I was in Cleveland,
> and
> > > there is indeed excavation work going on. Again, you twit, Baltimore's
> > > project is much farther along than Cleveland's, so it's insane to
> compare
> > > the two.
> >
> >
> > I repeat there is NO WORK going on in the Hole while the concrete work
> > is re-bid!!!!!
>
> WRONG!!!!!!
>
> I've been there. Within the last month. I've spoken with others who have
> been there. As recently as last weekend. You've never been there. Ever.
>
> Those of us who've been there can tell you for certain that there is indeed
> grading and excavation work being done. You don't see concrete forms
> rising from the dirt yet, but that doesn't mean there's nothing going on!
>
> Now shut your trap until you know what you're talking about.
>
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One last time, SAMMY!
The work has stopped. The concrete contracts are being re-bid. The next
phase of the work is pour MAJOR footings into the ground. This will not
be done UNTIL the contractors are chosen. Rebidding the conrete
contracts could delay construction 30-60 days.
You don't get out much, eh?
You got plenty of time to bury your dawg bones!
Joseph Fedorko
On Wed, 30 Jul 1997 18:31:24 -0400, Irv Gutin <gut...@ea.net.no.spam>
wrote:
>
>I'm not comparing the two!!
>
>I repeat there is NO WORK going on in the Hole while the concrete work
>is re-bid!!!!!
>
>You can now search for any missing dog bones!!!
>
>Once the concrete is poured, FORGET IT!!!!
>
I know what's going on -- you're getting your Cleveland news from the
MODELLS! And ... YOU BELIEVE IT!!
After all, you're convinced they're giving you NFL-quality football!
Joseph Fedorko
On Tue, 29 Jul 1997 20:03:00 -0400, Irv Gutin <gut...@ea.net.no.spam>
wrote:
>
>Sammy, You're just plain stupid! No, you are a f**king idiot!!!!
>Everybody else in Cleveland knows that the Mayor is re-bidding concrete
>contracts. I repeat it very slowly for your simple mind to understand.
>There is NOTHING going on in the Hole!
Again, because you clearly flunked basic engineering or didn't own a
Tinkertoy set when you were a kid ... a stadium is a large building.
To support the building, a hole must be dug in order to lay concrete
and steel under the ground to support the very large building. This
is what is known in construction circles as "THE FOUNDATION." The
Foundation is not yet built; that's why there's a hole in the ground.
Granted, not as big as the hole in your --
Too easy. Never mind.
Sam Chambers
Irv Gutin <gut...@ea.net.no.spam> missed the point again, saying...
> >
> > I
> > visited the construction site a few weeks ago while I was in Cleveland,
and
> > there is indeed excavation work going on. Again, you twit, Baltimore's
> > project is much farther along than Cleveland's, so it's insane to
compare
> > the two.
>
>
> I repeat there is NO WORK going on in the Hole while the concrete work
> is re-bid!!!!!
You know that for a fact, do you? Well, Irving, as usual...YOU'RE
Sam Chambers
Irv Gutin <gut...@ea.net.no.spam> screwed up again, saying:
> One last time, SAMMY!
>
> The work has stopped. The concrete contracts are being
re-bid. The next
> phase of the work is pour MAJOR footings into the ground.
This will not
> be done UNTIL the contractors are chosen. Rebidding the
conrete
> contracts could delay construction 30-60 days.
No, you idiot...work has not stopped. If work has stopped,
then explain to me why, when I visited the stadium site a
few weeks ago, AFTER the mayor's announcement that several
contracts would be re-bid, that there was indeed work going
on! Can you explain that, Irving? Can you?
Of course you can't. You're sitting in Baltimore. You're
relying on a fuzzy picture on the stadium cams. I saw it
in person. You're wrong, as usual.
> You don't get out much, eh?
More often than you, obviously.
Doug Frietchen
Irv Gutin wrote:
>
[...SNIP...]
> One last time, SAMMY!
>
> The work has stopped. The concrete contracts are being re-bid. The next
> phase of the work is pour MAJOR footings into the ground. This will not
> be done UNTIL the contractors are chosen. Rebidding the conrete
> contracts could delay construction 30-60 days.
>
> You don't get out much, eh?
>
> You got plenty of time to bury your dawg bones!
>
And the Baltimore stadium is going so smoothly that they only have a
$10+ million cost overrun (so far). What did Maryland do to compensate
for this? They sold the naming rights to Modell for $10 million.
Another coup for Art since many people believed it was worth much more
(per Washington Post article). For more info, see:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1997-07/31/193l-073197-idx.html
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~ Irv Gutin <gut...@ea.net.no.spam> babbled;
>There is NOTHING going on at YOUR construction sight, A-hole!
>Brilliant!!
You know this for a fact? Then what the hell are those people doing down
there every day? And why are those cranes (not the bird, the machine)
constantly moving around? And why are those trucks going in and out of
the hole all day? Wait a minute, I just figured it out. Construction was
put on hold. But to kill some time, the workers are going down there and
having dump-truck races. That has to be it! And the crane opperators are
doing nothing more than creating different tracks. Come to think of it, I
saw a road course in that hole last week, and yesterday I saw that they're
racing on a 1/4 mile oval with high banking. Those dump-trucks can haul!
No pun intended.
Dave-
It all makes sense now.
K Bear 4
~ ber...@home.com (Bernie) babbled;
>+++++++++++++++++++++++
>THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME. The DEVIL you say. Is that where
>ELSIE went to die or som......
[[[[[cut [[[[cut [[[[[CUT
The king of irrelevance strikes again. Barnie knows he doesn't have
a preverbial lap-top to type on, as usual. He resorts to going completely
off the subject, as usual. And makes no reference to the facts that
destroyed his unimformed illogical argument, as usual.
Still the same old Barbie.
Dave-
No offense to Mattel, the manufacturer of the Barbie doll. We all know
that the doll has equal to, or more brain power than the Barbie referenced
above. Especially Talking Barbie.
Bernie
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wake up, Dave. . . If it REALLY all made sense now, well . . . YOU
WOULDN'T HAVE TO SAY IT IN YOUR TAG LINE !
K Bear 4
>> yesterday I saw that they're
>>racing on a 1/4 mile oval with high banking. Those
dump-trucks can haul!
>>No pun intended.
>>
>>Dave-
>>It all makes sense now.
~ ber...@craftsfair.com (Bernie) wrote;
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Wake up, Dave. . . If it REALLY all made sense now, well . . . YOU
>WOULDN'T HAVE TO SAY IT IN YOUR TAG LINE !
Wow, that was ingeniuos. Okay. Now going by your logic, and impressive
at that, if the Crows REALLY ruled, and Browns fans REALLY drooled, YOU
WOULDN'T HAVE IT IN YOUR SIG FILE!
Dave-
I really have to stop doing this
Bernie
kbe...@aol.com (K Bear 4) wrote:
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Wrong Dave. Sig files are like a logo. Your tag line changes to try
to explain what it is that you've tried to said . . . usually NOTHING
Get it NOW, Davey?
K Bear 4
~~I, kbear4, wrote;
>> if the Crows REALLY ruled, and Browns fans REALLY drooled, YOU
>>WOULDN'T HAVE IT IN YOUR SIG FILE!
>>
>>Dave-
>>I really have to stop doing this
ber...@twisted.logic.com (Bernie) replied;
>________________________________
>Wrong Dave. Sig files are like a logo. Your tag line changes to try
>to explain what it is that you've tried to said . . . usually NOTHING
>
>Get it NOW, Davey?
I don't have a tag line, but let's analyze your logo. "Crows rule." This
is not an accurate statement. In order to "rule," they would have to win
a lot of games and not finish in last place. "While Browns fans drool."
This is pure conjecture, and wishful thinking at best. In conclusion,
your logo is actually an icon for fraud, dripping with irony. If those
were actually true statements, you wouldn't have to say them.
Irv Gutin
K Bear 4 wrote:
>
> ~ Irv Gutin <gut...@ea.net.no.spam> babbled;
>
> >There is NOTHING going on at YOUR construction sight, A-hole!
> >Brilliant!!
>
> You know this for a fact? Then what the hell are those people doing down
> there every day? And why are those cranes (not the bird, the machine)
> constantly moving around? And why are those trucks going in and out of
> the hole all day? Wait a minute, I just figured it out. Construction was
> put on hold. But to kill some time, the workers are going down there and
> having dump-truck races. That has to be it! And the crane opperators are
> doing nothing more than creating different tracks. Come to think of it, I
> racing on a 1/4 mile oval with high banking. Those dump-trucks can haul!
> No pun intended.
>
> It all makes sense now.
You can't say Clevelanders aren't resourceful!!