What about...Andy Katzenmoyer?
Tim O18
has been talking about him.
Brian
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if you're a talented young LB and Bellichik canNOT make a star out of you
there's something wrong.
Not buying into the Supe stuff, always loved how Bill coaches the 'backers
and now Pepper is very good at it too.
I'm dying to see what Marvin Lewis can do with Lavar Arrington
Brian Hammer
>
> if you're a talented young LB and Bellichik canNOT make a star out of you
> there's something wrong.
Kat was had a pretty damn good rookie year, and then he's been hurt ever
since. The problem he had his rookie year was that he went through
training camp learning the outside LB position. Then Ted Johnson went down
and he was forced to go back to the middle like in college. He did an
admirable job for a guy who hadn't practiced in that position, especially
for a rookie.
Then Belicheck comes in and switches to a 3-4 so Andy had to Learn the ILB
spot. Now this may not sound like that much new learning, but it should be
noted that Andy is stupid. Everyone knew that he would not be the easiest
player to teach. However, if given a decent amount of time to learn a
position I think he would be just fine. Probably not pro-bowl level, but
damn he can play. I have a great newfound respect for Katzenmoyer after
sitting out this season. The Andy that I thought we knew surely would've
played and probably really screwed himself up. If you're neck ain't right,
you sit out; I don't care how tough you are that's too critical an area.
Don't wanna live the rest of your life with no feelings, or in constant
pain.
rs10r
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TGO
The other notable one is Joey Galloway. Both were hyped up, and both have a
lot of talent, but I don't see them hitting their full potential on the
field. Katz was awesome his freshman year at OSU, thanks mostly to the rest
of the guys on the defense (Vrabel, Finkes, Fickle, ...). That allowed him
to roam free and make plays. Once hands started changing, I didn't see him
living up to the hype. I do think he's a great player, and plays very well,
but with his talent, I think he should be playing as one of the top 5 MLBs
in the league, not just top 20.
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TGO
from Westerville?
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Brownstown 2002
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> Wasn't Katz from Westerville/Columbus?
Yup, Westerville. I kinda look like him but with a fu-manchu, and my head is
not quite as big, lol.
Brian
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We disagree about his rookie year.
You have a valid point about his neck but.....why is that impressive?
Seems logical not a feat of valor?
Brian Hammer
> We disagree about his rookie year.
> You have a valid point about his neck but.....why is that impressive?
> Seems logical not a feat of valor?
>
I was impressed, because I believe at the time the coaching staff,
Belicheck included, was trying to tell Andy to get his ass in camp and that
he could play. He was smart enough to say that regardless of what the
trainers and doctors told him, his neck did NOT feel OK and he was going to
sit it out. I have respect for Andy because he stood up to everyone and
did what his body told him. Neck injuries are something not to screw
around with.
It seems logical to us, yes, but to many of these football players it
doesn't. I'm not saying its a feat of valor, but I was impressed that he
stood by his ground when he didn't think his neck was feeling 100%
Brian
Bellichick (I believe) issued him the same sorta statement he did to Terry
Glenn. Play or don't but we can't wait til september for you to decide,
we'd have to replace your roster spot. Pressure? I guess it's logical for
you to infer that he was pressured some. What team wouldn't want a player
to play.
I don't know about that logical stuff deciding NOT to play. IMO there are
a group of dumb jocks sure, but as a whole I wouldn't call them stupid. I
think it's a misconception in our society. Suppose there are 100 NFL
players, they're probably the same amount of smart guys, regular guys, and
dopes that there are if you took 100 people from Chicago. I'd bet it's
quite proportional.
I don't mean to always disagree with ya Hammer, you have some interesting
point of views.
Chilli-Dawg
wrote:
>It seems logical to us, yes, but to many of these football players it
>doesn't. I'm not saying its a feat of valor, but I was impressed that he
>stood by his ground when he didn't think his neck was feeling 100%
Wasn't that a First Aid class he flunked out of at OSU? Apparently
he kept the book. Don't know who read it to him though....
Chilli-Dawg
Brian Hammer
think that they are, like you said, equally proportional in intelligence
with the rest of society. No way someone stupid can play QB in the NFL. I
know a lot of Div. IA college football players who are not at all stupid,
I'm not saying that in the least.
What I was thinking was about the logical decision NOT to play. I think I
mislead you. I was thinking along the lines of Korey Stringer practicing
till death. I was thinking of Jack Youngblood with a broken leg. These
guys spend all their lives playing THROUGH pain. Besides that sitting out
may look like the less masculine thing to do. My point was that I commended
Andy on not playing through the pain to be macho when there was the
possibility that something could've been seriously wrong with him.
Brian
> I agree whole-heartedly that not all football players are stupid, and I
> also think that they are, like you said, equally proportional in
> intelligence with the rest of society. No way someone stupid can play
> QB in the NFL. I know a lot of Div. IA college football players who
> are not at all stupid, I'm not saying that in the least.
>
> What I was thinking was about the logical decision NOT to play. I
> think I mislead you. I was thinking along the lines of Korey Stringer
> practicing till death. I was thinking of Jack Youngblood with a broken
> leg. These guys spend all their lives playing THROUGH pain. Besides
> that sitting out may look like the less masculine thing to do. My
> point was that I commended Andy on not playing through the pain to be
> macho when there was the possibility that something could've been
> seriously wrong with him.
>
Since ya brought up Stringer, I'd like to know what ya think of this.
In court papers, Mike Tice(then line coach, now head coach) called
Stringer a woos(may have been big baby or...I can't recall exactly let's
assume it's woos) the day he died.
IMO there is a responsibility of the player, the player is told he must
drink a certain amount of glasses of water a day. The NFL actually gets
that from the US Military bootcamps, they've been requiring that of
enlisted men for years. OK So there's some fault on Korey.
The guy had to be "flush" To me and you, ya can't see the face thru the
helmet. To folks that play football, they can see the face when they look
at the guy. Not as if they have XRay vision, they're so used to it, it's
just some pesky obstruction. I think all Vikes are at fault, at least one
of them should have noticed and spoke up.
THAT ALL SAID here's a timeline:
Vikes stunk this year and many blamed the Stringer death as an issue they
just couldn't resolve in their minds.
Green got fired, Tice became the interim coach.
Vike lawyers hear about the affidavit with Tice's comments.
Tice gets hired as coach full time
Press gets ahold of affidavit
IMO the Vikes should have just hired someone else. This is a pretty big
issue hanging over Tice's head.
I understand his job is to motivate and he very well could NOT have known
Korey was dehydrated but I think they should have hired someone else. Just
move on from this whole thing. Now it will go into court and Tice will
certainly be "the bad guy" for calling him a woos(or whatever)
What do you think?
Brownstown 2002
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I thought it was aids awareness or something to that effect. With that track
record, I sure hope Andy doesn't play too much with the pigskin groupies:-)
TGO
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AIDS Awareness was one of the three "cake" classes that Andy took to make up
his GPA when he was teetering on eligibility. I'd be interested to hear
what the teacher/department offering the class thought of the whole
situation. After all, it "was" a college-level class, and after this whole
ordeal, ended up with a lot of negative publicity. Still can't see why
everyone was so surprised. If your goal is to improve your GPA, you think
organic chemistry is at the top of anyone's "must-take" list?
Brian Hammer
> certainly be "the bad guy" for calling him a woos(or whatever)
> What do you think?
Yes he will be seen as the bad guy, and he should probably take a little of
the blame. This mentality of the guys thinking that they cannot quit no
matter what their body tells them is the problem. Part of that mentality
is fostered in coaches or other players calling them wusses. This
mentality is instilled in players from day one of football. I remember
playing 7th grade football and they did not have my size of football pants.
I couldn't get 'em tied up tight enough to stay on well for a whole
practice. One time the coach actually made me keep runnin' with the pants
falling off! Pretty funny looking back on it, but geez, he couldn't let me
tie 'em???
This guy wasn't a real great football coach anyways. I played DT in
practice, and got a couple sacks in scrimmages. But in the games I only
ever got in at OG. Of course I didn't know any of the plays or anything,
because I practiced at DT!!?!?!?! LOL
Brian
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Yeah, the average american only takes hard classes, we never pad our class
schedule with easy ones;-) I agree what Katz did was quite normal.
Bad;-) example:If I have to take a quantum physics course I'm not takin'
brain surgery too I'm taking some damn arbor day history class or that
goofy class I heard about just the other day where they study Oprah's
history.
Brian Hammer
>
> Yeah, the average american only takes hard classes, we never pad our
class
> schedule with easy ones;-) I agree what Katz did was quite normal.
> Bad;-) example:If I have to take a quantum physics course I'm not takin'
> brain surgery too I'm taking some damn arbor day history class or that
> goofy class I heard about just the other day where they study Oprah's
> history.
>
Graduating Senior at BGSU here. I needed 10 hours for graduation, must
have 12 to be considered full time. CS major. Current schedule:
CS 408 Operating Systems (last course needed for major) 3hrs
POPC290 TV as Popular Culture 3hrs
POPC280 Introduction to Popular Music 3hrs
ENG343 Adolescent Literature 3hrs
Total of 12 hours, one real course. While the others are all 200 & 300
level courses, I consider them cupcakes. For instance my TV class has 1
Basketball player, and 3 football players. The rest are all graduating
Seniors! :)
Brian
> Graduating Senior at BGSU here. I needed 10 hours for graduation, must
> have 12 to be considered full time. CS major. Current schedule:
>
My uncle was the coach, both cousins played
Chilli-Dawg
wrote:
>I agree whole-heartedly that not all football players are stupid, and I also
>think that they are, like you said, equally proportional in intelligence
>with the rest of society. No way someone stupid can play QB in the NFL. I
>know a lot of Div. IA college football players who are not at all stupid,
>I'm not saying that in the least.
>
>What I was thinking was about the logical decision NOT to play. I think I
>mislead you. I was thinking along the lines of Korey Stringer practicing
>till death. I was thinking of Jack Youngblood with a broken leg. These
>guys spend all their lives playing THROUGH pain. Besides that sitting out
>may look like the less masculine thing to do. My point was that I commended
>Andy on not playing through the pain to be macho when there was the
>possibility that something could've been seriously wrong with him.
If the past few years haven't proven it nothing will. It's big
dollars to owners and in spite of all their lip service about how
great this guy or that is...let them tail off or get a couple injuries
and see how fast the owners drop them like a red headed step child at
a family reunion. Yeah there's some bone headed players, but did they
really have a chance. treated like stars all their life and prepared
for nothing but football. No real life experience. I hold the owners
in more disdain than the players any day. I've watched what stardom
can do to people, and, for the most part, football players are not
prepared for it. The owners, on the other hand, know exactly what they
are doing....more or less.
Chilli-Dawg
Chilli-Dawg
I think teams drain every drop of blood sweat and tears they can
from these guys and then toss them aside when they lose a step. Based
on Stringers behavior, the temperatureand the fact that they had a
coach just coaching the lineman that they were at best negligent. As
long as he pancaked those DE's that's all that mattered. $$$$$$$$$
I hate losing favorite players, lke probably McKenzie, but they
finall got a bit of control and as much as McKenzie wanted to finish
his career with the Browns He has to think about his limited time in
the NFL and the fact that due to his broken ankle last year, the
Browns are leary and probably low balling him. Sad to see em go, but
at least they have some control now.
Yeah I know they make a LOT of money which does complicate the
debate.
Chilli-Dawg
TGO
It's hard to say when you don't see the numbers. It could certainly be the
Browns offering too little, calling it a "risk". It could also be
McKenzie's agent saying, "if the injury will drastically affect his play for
the rest of his career, this is probably the last chance he'll have to put
his name on a contract, so better go for big bucks".
TGO
"Brian Hammer" <ha...@wcnet.org> wrote in message
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I can't find the transcript that's been sitting on my desk the last MONTH,
but my final quarter in Electrical Engineering saw me needing only four
credits of EE electives, and also needing 12 hours to be full-time. I think
my schedule looked like Digital Design and Medical Imaging, with Social
Dance II, Personal Finances and one other cakewalk. Only 4.0 in my entire
20 years of schooling - woo-hoo!!!
Brian Hammer
> I can't find the transcript that's been sitting on my desk the last
MONTH,
> but my final quarter in Electrical Engineering saw me needing only four
> credits of EE electives, and also needing 12 hours to be full-time. I
think
> my schedule looked like Digital Design and Medical Imaging, with Social
> Dance II, Personal Finances and one other cakewalk. Only 4.0 in my
entire
> 20 years of schooling - woo-hoo!!!
>
Awesome. Unfortunatley Senioritis is hitting me hard. I'm also a big
golf/baseball fan, so I get spring fever anyways. The point...My spring
semester grades are never good, and I doubt even with my current schedule
I'll be gettin' a 4.0
Brian Hammer
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I probably know the names if you shoot 'em out to me. The only basketball
player I ever met at BG before this year was Trent Jackson one time.
Football buddy of mine, said this is Trent Jackson, so I'm like, Hi. Never
saw him again, 'cept of course on the court.
Brian
Larranaga
Skin...@annoying.isp
wrote:
>
>
>>
What exactly is your major at BG and how do rate your experience in
the program? Meaning, how happy are you with both the education
you've received and your experience with the classes and staff?
Just wondering. I'm considering BG.
Brian Hammer
> >
> What exactly is your major at BG and how do rate your experience in
> the program? Meaning, how happy are you with both the education
> you've received and your experience with the classes and staff?
>
> Just wondering. I'm considering BG.
>
>
I'm a Computer Science major and I LOVE BGSU. Its the only college I've
ever attended, but I must say that I highly recommend it. The community of
Bowling Green is the greatest part. Its a large school, but has a small
school atmosphere. I see people I know on campus everyday, its just the
way it is here.
We have a new Union, which is not fully functional yet, but is pretty nice.
They're adding a Wendys and another chain restaurant in the Union, but
neither are open yet. There is a bar in the union, selling beer/wine after
5:00 PM. Its got a really nice computer lab and a pretty nice theater
area. There is also a pizza shop, small carryout, and coffee shop all
there, its pretty nice.
The sports is where the University really shines for me. We are not a big
time program, but you will see Division I level of play in Football,
Basketball, and Hockey. Our hockey program is very down (poor head coach),
but they compete in the toughest conference in college hockey (UM, MSU,
OSU, ND, etc.) Basketball & Football compete in the MAC. All sporting
events are FREE with a student ID, and there is a great atmosphere. The
same people go to all the games, so its a great way to meet friends who are
interested in the same things as you. I personally think Anderson Arena is
the best place to watch a college basketball game in the country...You're
standing on the floor about a foot away from the out of bounds line. Great
atmosphere.
I've never lived in the dorms, but I spend time there hanging out with
friends. I'm not real impressed with the living quarters. They seem
rather small, but the comraderie is awesome. If you are an outgoing person
like me then just leave your dorm room door open and you'll meet tons of
people.
Enough about the social life at BG, which is certainly TOP NOTCH! :) I
love it so much, I'm living here after graduation, working in Toledo.
Anyways, I think our classes are very good. As a CS major, we have a limit
on # of students in our classes. Not sure if the othe rmajors do that or
not. Basically we never have more than 40 people in one class, its more of
a high school class type atmosphere, but much more difficult. The CS
department also likes to pride itself on being a little tougher than the
rest (standard 93-85-78 Grading Scale :(. The staff has been pretty good
in my experience. The CS staff especially. They've always been willing to
answer questions quickly and even in the middle of the night on programming
assignments.
For the rest of the university I've had mixed reviews on the profs myself.
In the Math department, I've had some bad experiences. A couple profs that
spoke very broken English, and were not great teachers on top of that. The
one guy would just repeat what he already told you (yelling this time) if
you asked a question. Outside of the math department, I've had mostly
pleasurable experiences with the profs. If you're an education person our
education department is one of, if not the, best in the country. I've
never taken a class in that department so I can't comment.
The things that are complained about on campus the most are two-fold. One
is the president just received a huge raise to now be making $280,000 a
year and lives in a University owned house and drives a University owned
vehicle. This I think is ridiculous, because our profs are paid less than
at many other schools. However, I would certainly not use this as a reason
not to come here. Just be forewarned that some of your tuition will be
going to Dr. Sidney Ribeau.
The other complaint seems to be parking. The problem is that people can
never find a parking spot right next to their class. They complain that
they have to walk so far. Well, I think our parking situation is pretty
good. Most schools don't even offer a parking pass for Freshman, we do.
And our passes are only about $35 and last for the entire school year. UT
pays like $80 for a semester. They will not hesitate to ticket you though,
so make sure you park where you're supposed to. In reality the parking
situation is not that bad, but you know how people our age just like to
complain :)
All in all I love BGSU. The university does a great job promoting
community and education. The education level you'll receive is pretty
good, even though some of the students may joke about it being, "Just BG"
I feel I've received a pretty good education in my years here. The best
thing about the school though is the social life. Like I said, you see
your friends all over, because the place is just not that big. The town
itself is pretty much supported by the University, and the store owners try
to get students in there. Its a great town and a wonderful school. I'm a
big Bowling Green fan :)
Brian Hammer
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Sure I remember. Jim was the coach. Shoot, I didn't know you meant HEAD
Coach, I thought you meant that you were related to like an assistant or
something :) He's coaching at GW still isn't he?? I just saw that they
got ousted. Jim was a pretty good coach, but we have a jewel now in Bobby
Knight taught Dan Dakich. No offense to Jim, but basketball has a better
atmosphere now.
Either way the Larranagas gave us quite a few years of quality basketball.
I remember Jay Larranaga playing for us, but I do not recall the other boy.
I used to go to basketball games a lot when I was young with my
grandparents, but then you know I got to HS age where it wasn't cool to
hang out with your g'parents anymore so I didn't go for about 5-6 years
during adolescence. My whole time at BGSU as a student Coach Dak has been
here. But yes I do remember the Larranagas; you can let 'em know that BG
has not forgotten about 'em!
Chilli-Dawg
wrote:
>
>
>> >
>> What exactly is your major at BG and how do rate your experience in
>> the program? Meaning, how happy are you with both the education
>> you've received and your experience with the classes and staff?
>>
>> Just wondering. I'm considering BG.
>>
>>
>
>I'm a Computer Science major and I LOVE BGSU. Its the only college I've
>ever attended, but I must say that I highly recommend it. The community of
>Bowling Green is the greatest part. Its a large school, but has a small
>school atmosphere. I see people I know on campus everyday, its just the
>way it is here.
>
>We have a new Union, which is not fully functional yet, but is pretty nice.
> They're adding a Wendys and another chain restaurant in the Union, but
>neither are open yet. There is a bar in the union, selling beer/wine after
>5:00 PM. Its got a really nice computer lab and a pretty nice theater
>area. There is also a pizza shop, small carryout, and coffee shop all
>there, its pretty nice.
>
>The sports is where the University really shines for me.
Thrilling. A CS major which pretty much assures you a good job, and
sorry, but you don't exactly fill me with hope for the leaders of
tomorrow. Academics were never mentioned, and did you, by any chance,
take a liberal arts courses, Art History, Philosophy, Literature, any
class that actually makes you think as opposed to regurgitate facts.
Sorry to give you the unwarranted grief your post was just mildly
depressing.
On the other hand, that new Wendy's coming to campus sold me.
There's a wonderful invention that works with the internet. It's
called E-mail. Being a CS student I won't go into details but next
time you might try to "think" about what is on or off topic.
Chilli-Dawg
Skin...@annoying.isp
wrote:
>
>
>> >
>> What exactly is your major at BG and how do rate your experience in
>> the program? Meaning, how happy are you with both the education
>> you've received and your experience with the classes and staff?
>>
>> Just wondering. I'm considering BG.
>>
I'm familiar enough with the campus and dorms, just not with the
quality of the CS program. I've got Associates in programming and
desperately want to bump it up to a bachelors. Believe me, I'll never
complain about parking or foreign profs. I spent my 1st year out of
HS at OSU. 'nuf said. Anyway, I'd heard good things about the CS
program from BG students outside of the program, but I'm happy to hear
from someone with some experience there. One more brief question: Do
you recall the minimum math requirements for your degree? Thanks!
Skin...@annoying.isp
wrote:
My most humble apologies for the OT question. Notice that he couldn't
e-mail me due to the address I provide in the ng. Blame me if you're
going to blame someone. Academics were mentioned. Those are the
paragraphs I quoted in my reply to Brian. Also, unfortunately for me
(CIS major thus far), I know too many people in my field who currently
hold thrilling jobs in either data entry or tech support.
Brian
K will do
Jim's younger son is John. He's junior and from what I'm told and the
little(miniscule) amount I've seen him he's better than Jay.
They played for the Irish national team during the summer(no clue how
that's possible in many MANY respects)Jay plays pro now in Italy, I
believe.
Oh it's George Mason not George Washington. GW is where Jarvis was.
I was always pissed he took the BG job. He was Holland's top assistant and
lost his patience I guess with getting a bigtime coaching job. He left.
Next year Holland becomes head? president?(some title) of the NCAAs and
Dave Odom(another assistant) gets Wake Forest job, Jeff Jones(his player)
gets an ACC job, one other Virginia guy. ONE YEAR if he just waited one
year.
I like Antonio Daniels, he's very good. IMO he (understandably) hasn't had
his head on straight since his brother passed away. #5 pick, so much
talent, that's sad to me to see him playing an NBA backup spot when he's
got that much talent. At some point I thought he'd mourn and some time to
heal those "wounds" and he'd be a solid pro.
Brian Hammer
>
> K will do
> Jim's younger son is John. He's junior and from what I'm told and the
> little(miniscule) amount I've seen him he's better than Jay.
> They played for the Irish national team during the summer(no clue how
> that's possible in many MANY respects)Jay plays pro now in Italy, I
> believe.
Thanks for the 411.
> Oh it's George Mason not George Washington. GW is where Jarvis was.
Cool, my bad.
> I like Antonio Daniels, he's very good. IMO he (understandably) hasn't
had
> his head on straight since his brother passed away. #5 pick, so much
> talent, that's sad to me to see him playing an NBA backup spot when he's
> got that much talent. At some point I thought he'd mourn and some time to
> heal those "wounds" and he'd be a solid pro.
>
Obviously, I also like Antonio. I think he has the talent to be a good NBA
player as well, but I don't know if he'll ever live up to it. Antonio also
didn't seem to have the 1-on-1 ability that is so coveted for the NBA. I
think, if you follow currently, that Keith McLeod has a better NBA game
than Antonio did. Of course McLeod has no chance of being a high draft,
pick, probably 2nd round, but he's got the game.
Brian Hammer
> I'm familiar enough with the campus and dorms, just not with the
> quality of the CS program. I've got Associates in programming and
> desperately want to bump it up to a bachelors. Believe me, I'll never
> complain about parking or foreign profs. I spent my 1st year out of
> HS at OSU. 'nuf said. Anyway, I'd heard good things about the CS
> program from BG students outside of the program, but I'm happy to hear
> from someone with some experience there. One more brief question: Do
> you recall the minimum math requirements for your degree? Thanks!
We had to take up to and including 1 semester of I believe Calculus. It
might've been Pre-Calculus, not sure on that one. I do know that we also
had to have one semester of Discreet Mathematics. Lastly was an option,
either 2 semesters of Stats or one semester of Logical Math. I took the
Logical Math.
Brian Hammer
> > Thrilling. A CS major which pretty much assures you a good job, and
> >sorry, but you don't exactly fill me with hope for the leaders of
> >tomorrow.
Chilli, I'm sorry, but I think you have the wrong impression of me. I
provided a description of many parts of the academic program, from the CS
department, to my overall impressions outside the department. You also
have a seriously skewed impression of the CS job market. I have a job
lined up post-graduation, but I have countless friends/acquaintences in the
dept who do not. All those .coms failed and those people are flooding the
market with people who already have experience. I won't go into it in
detail, but suffice to say the CS job market is AWFUL right now.
Academics were never mentioned, and did you, by any chance,
> >take a liberal arts courses, Art History, Philosophy, Literature, any
> >class that actually makes you think as opposed to regurgitate facts.
Yes I took one Art History class, Ancient Art, and FYI I thought it was the
most regurgitated facts course I took in my education. I've also taken 2
Philosophy classes (Logic, and Ethics in Computers) & I loved both of them.
I LOVE Philosophy, I'm currently reading "The Simpsons & Philosophy" great
way to learn some ancient philosophy and how it relates to a great TV show.
As for Literature, I've taken Native American Literature, Children's
Literature, and Adolescent Literature. I LOVE to read Chilli. I've also
taken several discussion-based History classes, which basically was read
and study history, and then apply our thoughts to it in discussion form.
The thinking, and not regurgitating facts are the courses I like best
Chilli, I'm really sorry you got the wrong impression. I did not discuss
these classes, because he asked about the CS Department specifically.
> > On the other hand, that new Wendy's coming to campus sold me.
Like it or not, the non-academics stuff is every bit as important as the
courseload when it comes to choosing a University. Who wants to spend
years at a school that has great academics, but the social life sucks? Or
they can't stand the campus?
> >There's a wonderful invention that works with the internet. It's
> >called E-mail. Being a CS student I won't go into details but next
> >time you might try to "think" about what is on or off topic.
> >
I was answering a question, and I tried to e-mail him, but he gives a bogus
e-mail addy on his posts. This will be my last post on this subject, I
assure you.
. Also, unfortunately for me
> (CIS major thus far), I know too many people in my field who currently
> hold thrilling jobs in either data entry or tech support.
>
I don't want to waste any more of the NG's bandwidth on what is clearly OT.
However, I do want to note how amazing it is that so many outsiders still
think that CS people are guaranteed good jobs. LOL I have countless
friends who have NO job offers, and NO job prospects. The job market for
CS people is AWFUL. I am lucky to have a job lined up post-graduation, and
very grateful.
If you need any more BGSU information, shoot my your e-mail addy, and I'd
be happy to tell you.
>
TGO
"Discreet" math? Is that, like, a "low-key" class?
Sorry...couldn't resist (it's a weakness) :-)
Tim O18
available and do you think he would or could be a valuable addition to the
Brownies.
Brian
I used to play with many folks that (since then) have played in the NBA.
Antonio has "it" every scout saw it and that's why he was such a high
pick. he's.....his head is ...oh poor guy. He not only lost his brother
but in a roundabout way he's also lost a promising career and much $.
I never saw his brother play but heard great great things about him. You?
Would he have made the NBA?