Which QB should start next week and why
John McLaughlin
First off I'd like to say that I think Kelly Holcomb is a pretty good
quarterback....as long as he is coming in off the bench. Last year Butch
said that he wasn't going to make KH a starter over TC, that his quarterback
wasn't going to lose his job because of an injury. KH was 1-2 in games he
started and 1-1 in filling in for Tim in the Ravens and Falcons games.
I just think that when KH didn't have the pressure of being "the man", it
didn't really matter and he could play loose and not worry about whether he
was gonna be back on the bench in a week or two etc. He just plain stunk up
the joint two weeks in a row, and I don't see him doing any better next week
or the week after, as long as he is "the man".
BrownsTown
"John McLaughlin" <Jo...@mrbluesky.net> wrote in message
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> Tim Couch. Here's why.
>
> First off I'd like to say that I think Kelly Holcomb is a pretty good
> quarterback....as long as he is coming in off the bench.
You know, that sounds right, but it's not. He was fine in starts last year
vs KC, vs. Pittsburgh, vs. Cinci. I just think you're a good QB or you're
not. Fuck this starting and bench this and that. You either have it or you
don't. Let's give the guy a few more games before we Couchify him.
Dick Ambrose
no QB gonna save that shit. When a team runs over you like that, there's no
respect.
But, Couch had his shot. That, in fact, is how Holcomb got a job.
Josh Booty.
Ky58
> Josh Booty.
There ya go, give Booty a shot...I think he'll stick with
Holcomb.
;-)
Stan
"BrownsTown" <Brown...@coxx.net> wrote in message
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Heck with just a few more games. Play the dweeb for the 14 games left on
the schedule. At least we'll get the #1 pick overall next spring.
Dick Ambrose
really limited by Arians...not the QB.
These team has good receivers. We know that. Can you imagine any other
coaching staff drafting 4 deuces and then you dont see any of em the whole
game?
Bring in another offensive coordinator and he'll make this offense go.
Dick Ambrose
"Stan" <romans...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Heck with just a few more games. Play the dweeb for the 14 games left on
> the schedule. At least we'll get the #1 pick overall next spring.
>
having the #1 pick has created what we have. No more #1 picks. These guys
cant draft their way out of a paper bag.
If the Browns do get a pick, trade it for some defense
>
Stan
"Dick Ambrose" <inj...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> yeah, he'll stick w/Holcomb. whatever. Doesnt matter as the offense is
> really limited by Arians...not the QB.
So what the hell is Ariens problem all of a sudden ? Last year he was a
genius, and this year he's a goat ??
Ky58
> yeah, he'll stick w/Holcomb. whatever. Doesn't matter as the
> offense is really limited by Arians...not the QB.
Well, the QB is an important position, but this year is no
different from the years previous...except that this year's QB
isn't a first round draft pick and highly paid, so the
scrutiny is a bit less. Both can only do so much and (in the
end), the 'team' has got to perform. The man taking the snaps
can feed off good execution by teammates or play poorly if the
execution is poor. It's all sorta relative...
;-)
Blacktick
You're an ass.
"Dick Ambrose" <inj...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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Jeffrey B
starter I think he deserves to get 4 or 5 starts to prove his worth.
After what he accomplished in the playoffs last season I doubt he'll
continue to struggle this year. Let's face it he's not the only one on
the team struggling early in the season.
Ask yourself one question: Do you really think this Brown's team is as
bad as they looked yesterday? Keep in mind Pittsburgh started out slow
last year and won the division. If I remember correctly they got torched
thru the air by an AFC east team early in the 2002 season. Like the
Steelers last year I believe the Brown's will use yesterday's humbling
experience to inspire them to play much better and compete for the
division title. I refuse to give up on the team's or Holcomb's season
after 2 games.
It'll be interesting to see if they can bounce back next week....JB
John Lansford
>I wanted Couch to start the season, but once Holcomb was named the
>starter I think he deserves to get 4 or 5 starts to prove his worth.
>After what he accomplished in the playoffs last season I doubt he'll
>continue to struggle this year. Let's face it he's not the only one on
>the team struggling early in the season.
No, but he's the one that handles the ball every time on offense
(except for Faine that is). Right now he looks like a completely
different QB that took on Pittsburgh last year. However, yesterday he
looked a lot like the same QB that subbed for Couch when the Ravens
knocked him out of the game last year; throwing into coverage and
making bad decisions. His passes are more to the outside, with little
zip to them. Now, is this because he is now the focus of the offense,
or has Arians toned down the playcalling?
>Ask yourself one question: Do you really think this Brown's team is as
>bad as they looked yesterday?
To be honest, I think they are. They have very little team leadership
on defense or offense, and if the defensive line doesn't produce the
LB's are going to be exposed as very inexperienced. Yesterday it
looked like the DL was playing TOO aggressively; they made plays in
the backfield, but when Lewis got past them everyone was out of
position. The offense has regressed from late last year; whether that
is because of Couch not being there (Holcomb is very inexperienced in
real time games) or because Arians is making some questionable
decisions. Having three players on the OL that weren't in those
positions last year isn't helping at all either.
> Keep in mind Pittsburgh started out slow
>last year and won the division. If I remember correctly they got torched
>thru the air by an AFC east team early in the 2002 season. Like the
>Steelers last year I believe the Brown's will use yesterday's humbling
>experience to inspire them to play much better and compete for the
>division title. I refuse to give up on the team's or Holcomb's season
>after 2 games.
The difference is Pittsburgh has a center core of excellent, veteran
players, on both offense and defense. The Browns do not.
John Lansford
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BrownsTown
"Jeffrey B" <JABi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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I like the enthusiasm. I'm not jumping off the wagon just yet, either.
Is the real Browns defense the one who held a very good Indy team to 3 field
goals last week, or the one that just set a record for rushing yards
allowed?
We'll soon see. I think they are somewhere in the middle. But if they don't
find a way to get this offense moving, it won't matter. Do you realize, as
many yards they gave up on the ground yesterday, that thye STILL could have
made a run at winning the game had they showed some form of life on offense?
Unbelieveable.
Mike Oxbig
The fact that we were still in the game several minutes into the 4th
quarter, was mind boggling.
Mike Oxbig
Let's measure this QB deal. At halftime. KH and the Browns had gone six
quarters without a TD, and still had no sign of life. I think Butch is
stubborn. "I made the decision, I know I'm right." It's the same mentality
that tells him to run inside the tackles 3 or 4 times from the 1-yard line.
It's almost like it's more than six if you run it down their throat instead
of spreading it or using deception.
What would Parcels do? I think that he may have initially awarded the job
to KH. But at the half , I think he would have angrily yanked his ass.
Belichik on the other hand would stubbornly lose every game with Holcomb at
the helm.
I haven't completely written Butch off yet. But I'm losing confidence in
him. He knows more from watching these people on a daily basis. But some
of his stubbornness is blatant. It's a game of adjustments.
BrownsTown
"Mike Oxbig" <oxsp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Thank heavens for rookie QB's and backups that are even worse.
Stan
"John Lansford" <jlns...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> JABi...@webtv.net (Jeffrey B) wrote:
> No, but he's the one that handles the ball every time on offense
> (except for Faine that is). Right now he looks like a completely
> different QB that took on Pittsburgh last year. However, yesterday he
> looked a lot like the same QB that subbed for Couch when the Ravens
> knocked him out of the game last year; throwing into coverage and
> making bad decisions. His passes are more to the outside, with little
> zip to them. Now, is this because he is now the focus of the offense,
> or has Arians toned down the playcalling?
It's because KH isn't as good a passer as Timmuh. His only advantage was,
supposedly, he was more familiar with the Ariens offense and could read
defenses better. Well, we know now how true that is. The sooner we put
Couch back in, the faster we get outta this jam.
> >Ask yourself one question: Do you really think this Brown's team is as
> >bad as they looked yesterday?
>
> To be honest, I think they are. They have very little team leadership
> on defense or offense, and if the defensive line doesn't produce the
> LB's are going to be exposed as very inexperienced. Yesterday it
> looked like the DL was playing TOO aggressively; they made plays in
> the backfield, but when Lewis got past them everyone was out of
> position.
This Browns team doesn't do well against smash-mouth physical teams. This
game in Baltimore reminds me of last year's loss to Tampa Bay.
> The difference is Pittsburgh has a center core of excellent, veteran
> players, on both offense and defense. The Browns do not.
Nor do they have any real physical players on either of the two lines.
midwesterner
Scouting Spotlight: Kelly Holcomb
After two shaky starts, it's becoming quite clear Butch Davis needs to
get Tim Couch back into the lineup and Holcomb back on the bench. When
Holcomb was awarded the starting job in the preseason, Fantasy
leaguers began to target him as a sleeper candidate, and he became a
popular late-round pick.
Now it's becoming apparent Fantasy owners simply need to release
Holcomb. He's not the same quarterback he was when he got a chance to
start in place of Couch last year. The confident, accurate passer we
saw a year ago and in the preseason has been replaced by an
indecisive, mistake-prone journeyman.
Opposing defensive coordinators are now getting a chance to prepare
for Holcomb on a regular basis, and they're confusing him with good
secondary coverages mixed with timely blitzes. Holcomb is apparently
becoming concerned about making the right reads and trying not to make
mistakes, as pass rushers are disrupting his timing and his receivers
are not getting open consistently.
Holcomb is a solid backup for Couch, but he's looking overwhelmed as a
starter with high expectations. He's not making good decisions and is
holding onto the ball too long and making very questionable reads and
ill-timed throws. With Cleveland 0-2, Davis needs more firm
leadership, and Couch might be ready to prove himself. Cut Holcomb and
consider picking up Couch if you have room on your roster. He might
develop into a solid Fantasy backup later this season.
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> Tim Couch. Here's why..... (cut)