Tubby needs bigger summer than Superman
Joseph
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Change is what Tubby Smith promised after another University of Kentucky
basketball season flatlined without finding the Final Four.
Maybe all he was talking about was a new strength coach with the bark to
make his players push more weights. Maybe he was preparing fans for the
flight of four underclassmen who have waved goodbye since March.
All I can do is speculate and say this: Smith needs a bigger summer than
Superman.
funymuny
OTS gets billing as a capable coach. No problem. $200k per month
though? Good gig if you can get it, and pull your team out of national
prominence (except for all the fan rantings).
Joseph
"funymuny" <funy...@charter.net> wrote in message
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>> OTS gets billing as a capable coach. No problem. $200k per month
> though? Good gig if you can get it, and pull your team out of national
> prominence (except for all the fan rantings).
Just a few kook's....;-)
Joseph
--
Kentucky Basketball is more than wins and losses, it is about
having pride in the program......
laurenjevans
the program. Simply because the majority of fans are not as vocal as others
you assume your opinion to be dominant. You are part of the fringe. The
silent majority of the Big Blue Nation is behind our team and our coach.
"Joseph" <jos...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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funymuny
Yep, just chatter on the internet. Those articles we read where the
media has finally taken OTS off their pedestal, not real, not
reflective of MOST fans.....just chatter on the internet, crap!!
M
funymuny
laurenjevans wrote:
> You are just a few kooks. The majority of UK fans support Coach Smith and
> the program. Simply because the majority of fans are not as vocal as others
> you assume your opinion to be dominant. You are part of the fringe. The
> silent majority of the Big Blue Nation is behind our team and our coach.
Clearly an opinion.....all opinions are welcome.
Joseph
comments like these.
http://pod01.prospero.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?msg=396&nav=messages&webtag=kr-kentuckytm
Comments
The "internet is full of a lot of crap" is a witty response for a
coach who is quickly coming to the end of his tenure at UK. Your faithful
are still around Orlando, but let's see how quick they are to defend you at
the end of this coming season, which most of us expect to be even more
thrilling than this past year.
a.. Posted by: The Truth!
b..
c.. 7/6/2006 8:28 AM
d.. 396.1 Report as Violation
a..
Avg 2.75, 4 votes
Coach Smith keeps talking about "good recruits". He is going to have
to have better than good to compete next year. We all know that his
recruiting is suspect. I wonder if he is trying to fool himself with these
comments. He is not fooling the knowledgeable Kentucky fans.
a.. Posted by: Price Huston
b..
c.. 7/6/2006 8:44 AM
d.. 396.2 Report as Violation
a..
Avg 3.50, 2 votes
At least Tubby is showing a little spunkiness now, using strong
language like "crap"...
a.. Posted by: Cat Faith
b..
c.. 7/6/2006 8:46 AM
d.. 396.3 Report as Violation
a..
Avg 5.00, 1 vote
How pathetic. Is UK also going to schedule High Point, Georgetown,
Centre and Transy to boost their schedules next year? We are rapidly
declining as one of the top basketball programs which is apparent from the
lack of any top signers. Maybe Coach K or Roy Williams could give someone on
the staff some pointers.
a.. Posted by:
b..
c.. 7/6/2006 8:50 AM
d.. 396.4 Report as Violation
a..
Avg 1.00, 1 vote
Full of Crap and Recruiting
We the fans react when a coach seems to sit on his butt because he can
still have a good season (not great) and make his 2 million plus salary.
This taken from a news source
7. Which headline coach will be the last to leave a gym?
Having covered recruiting the past 17 years, I've witnessed many a
scene, but few rival seeing coaches like North Carolina's Roy Williams and
Arizona's Lute Olson sitting in some high school gym in Vegas past midnight.
They are two of the hardest-working recruiters in the land. Since they lead
such power programs as North Carolina and Arizona, the assumption is that
they don't have to work hard, but Williams and Olson are hands-on the whole
month.
Great Men are great by leading and doing not sitting
a.. Posted by: Randy
b..
c.. 7/6/2006 8:52 AM
d.. 396.5 Report as Violation
If you would like some more, just let me know...
Joseph
--
Kentucky Basketball is more than wins and losses, it is about
having pride in the program......
"laurenjevans" <lauren...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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Joseph
"funymuny" <funy...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Lies, all lies...Tubby knows he is the greatest, just ask him!
Joseph
>
> laurenjevans wrote:
> > You are just a few kooks. The majority of UK fans support Coach Smith
and
> > the program. Simply because the majority of fans are not as vocal as
others
> > you assume your opinion to be dominant. You are part of the fringe.
The
> > silent majority of the Big Blue Nation is behind our team and our coach.
>
> Clearly an opinion.....all opinions are welcome.
Yes, talk is a good thing. It brings the truth to light...
Tubbyball Stinks!
laurenjevans
> Tubbyball Stinks!
>
> Joseph
>
Clearly an opinion
laurenjevans
in the 2nd round last year.
Luteball Stinks!
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funymuny
You state the obvious. Sometimes it needs stating but I believe most
understand that phrase as an opinion. Either way, if you're happy with
the program, the leader, etc., more power to you.
Joseph
Joseph
> > Tubbyball Stinks!
> >
> > Joseph
> >
>
> Clearly an opinion
You figured it out...Brilliant!
;-)
laurenjevans
dismissed my argument as "clearly an opinion". If you want to jump down
someone's throat look to your comrades.news:Yrgrg.1880$7j7...@fe03.lga...
laurenjevans
Joseph
;-)
Joseph
--
Kentucky Basketball is more than wins and losses, it is about
having pride in the program......
"laurenjevans" <lauren...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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laurenjevans
funymuny
first nor will you be the last. i have not jumped down anyone's throat.
in fact, if anyone has jumped, it has been you, from your initial
posts. if you'll notice, most are not responding to your posts anylonger.
post as you wish.
Joseph
> i am well aware that you were poking fun at joseph. you are not the
> first nor will you be the last. i have not jumped down anyone's throat.
> in fact, if anyone has jumped, it has been you, from your initial
> posts. if you'll notice, most are not responding to your posts anylonger.
>
> post as you wish.
Did I miss something? Where is that P.O.? I thought opinions
were not allowed, only facts. Who changed the rules?
Joseph
--
Kentucky Basketball is more than wins and losses, it is about
having pride in the program......
>
funymuny
Joseph wrote:
> "funymuny" <funy...@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:DHirg.531$x93...@fe05.lga...
>
>>i am well aware that you were poking fun at joseph. you are not the
>>first nor will you be the last. i have not jumped down anyone's throat.
>> in fact, if anyone has jumped, it has been you, from your initial
>>posts. if you'll notice, most are not responding to your posts anylonger.
>>
>>post as you wish.
>
>
> Did I miss something? Where is that P.O.? I thought opinions
> were not allowed, only facts. Who changed the rules?
>
> Joseph
you have a memory like an elephant. we forget, ok, i forgot that
opinions were not allowed. back to the whipping post.
Joseph
> you have a memory like an elephant. we forget, ok, i forgot that
> opinions were not allowed. back to the whipping post.
Hey we have no P.O. therefore I nominate William as arbitrator!
;-)
I didn't recall dismissing anyone's opinion though? I thought I'd
posted facts to counter the claim? Oh well who cares....
One more year, or less.......
funymuny
Joseph wrote:
> "funymuny" <funy...@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:hVirg.533$x93...@fe05.lga...
>
>>you have a memory like an elephant. we forget, ok, i forgot that
>>opinions were not allowed. back to the whipping post.
>
>
> Hey we have no P.O. therefore I nominate William as arbitrator!
>
> ;-)
>
> I didn't recall dismissing anyone's opinion though? I thought I'd
> posted facts to counter the claim? Oh well who cares....
>
> One more year, or less.......
>
> Joseph
correct.....who cares.
William F Hansford
> Arizona hasn't made it to the Final Four since 2001. They were knocked
> out in the 2nd round last year.
>
> Luteball Stinks!
You believe Arizona Basketball is on and 'should be' on the level of
Kentucky? Considering Kentucky Basketball accomplishments for over a hundred
years. Give me some comparable Arizona accomplishments over the same 100
year Kentucky Basketball Accomplishments. Not there! anyway you spin it.
Reality sets in!
I believe, Kentucky Basketball is way above an Arizona or Duke. By default
Tubby has lowered Kentucky Basketball for his 9 year tenure to the point
that yes Arizona and Duke look much better than Kentucky Basketball.
Kentucky Basketball long term, plus the dizzy heights we have seen by
Kentucky difference maker coaches and Kentucky Administrations is far above
Arizona accomplishments till Tubby Coach came to Kentucky. The key to the
problem is Tubby Coach! UGH!
Go Cats!!!!
Go Football Cats!!!!
WFH
Advocate for Kentucky Wildcat Basketball Excellence!
Our Kentucky Wildcat Basketball Program is much bigger and much more
important than Tubby and his Kentucky Record turning us into a mid-major!
Give me state of the art, cutting edge fundamentals of Kentucky Wildcat
Basketball(real basketball, not Tubby Stallball!)
entertain me and win win win!
Flagship Forum for Kentucky Sports!
Joseph
"William F Hansford" <ukb...@alltel.net> wrote in message
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>
> "laurenjevans" <lauren...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
> news:5cidnauvBZy04DDZ...@insightbb.com...
> > Arizona hasn't made it to the Final Four since 2001. They were knocked
> > out in the 2nd round last year.
> >
> > Luteball Stinks!
>
> You believe Arizona Basketball is on and 'should be' on the level of
> Kentucky? Considering Kentucky Basketball accomplishments for over a
hundred
> years. Give me some comparable Arizona accomplishments over the same 100
> year Kentucky Basketball Accomplishments. Not there! anyway you spin it.
> Reality sets in!
>
> I believe, Kentucky Basketball is way above an Arizona or Duke. By default
> Tubby has lowered Kentucky Basketball for his 9 year tenure to the point
> that yes Arizona and Duke look much better than Kentucky Basketball.
> Kentucky Basketball long term, plus the dizzy heights we have seen by
> Kentucky difference maker coaches and Kentucky Administrations is far
above
> Arizona accomplishments till Tubby Coach came to Kentucky. The key to the
> problem is Tubby Coach! UGH!
Well stated William! Kentucky basketball should never be compared to
others,
we are the measuring stick. At least we were P.T. anyway.....
laurenjevans
poster copied and pasted an article from espn.com that claimed Lute Olsen
and Roy Williams were the two hardest working coaches in college basketball
because they sat in a Las Vegas gym well past midnight. My previous post
was to show that every coach struggles the way ours does.
Did anyone happen to see Coach Hall on the 11 o'clock news last night
praising Coach Smith for his consistency and ability to rise to the top?
"William F Hansford" <ukb...@alltel.net> wrote in message
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>
laurenjevans
Championships. It's fans like you that give UK a bad name throughout the
country. Pompous, illiterate, and unwilling to not only listen to another
opinion, but unable to recognize which argument is being made.news:zqqdnZ1z2rjkUzDZ...@adelphia.com...
Big Blue Fan
wrote:
>
>"funymuny" <funy...@charter.net> wrote in message
>news:hVirg.533$x93...@fe05.lga...
>> you have a memory like an elephant. we forget, ok, i forgot that
>> opinions were not allowed. back to the whipping post.
>
>Hey we have no P.O. therefore I nominate William as arbitrator!
>
>;-)
>
>I didn't recall dismissing anyone's opinion though? I thought I'd
>posted facts to counter the claim? Oh well who cares....
>
>One more year, or less.......
>
>Joseph
Here's my opinion: Tubby, Tubbyball, Rich Brooks, and Barnhart all
stink!
BBF
laurenjevans
opinion?
"Big Blue Fan" <TubbyBa...@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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funymuny
laurenjevans wrote:
> I didn't say Arizona basketball was as good as UK's tradition. A fellow
> poster copied and pasted an article from espn.com that claimed Lute Olsen
> and Roy Williams were the two hardest working coaches in college basketball
> because they sat in a Las Vegas gym well past midnight. My previous post
> was to show that every coach struggles the way ours does.
I may be slow but I did not get that meaning from the post "Arizona
hasn't made it to the Final Four since 2001. They were knocked
out in the 2nd round last year. Luteball Stinks!"
In any event, of course every coach has challenges and struggles to
reach the FF. As has been written in this ng many times, there are many
that believe the problems with UK basketball under OTS are much more
than wins and losses. They have been chronicled ad nauseum (some might
say) here.
But, I also believe William has it right in saying UK basketball has a
different standard when it comes to 'success' than other schools. By
making Tubby Smith the highest-paid coach in college basketball, the UK
athletic department must have similar thoughts.
M
>
> Did anyone happen to see Coach Hall on the 11 o'clock news last night
> praising Coach Smith for his consistency and ability to rise to the top?
No, probably not shown here. Hall has publicly praised Smith before.
Gotta be low before you can rise?
M
Joseph
> We cerainly aren't the measuring stick when it comes to National
> Championships. It's fans like you that give UK a bad name throughout the
> country. Pompous, illiterate, and unwilling to not only listen to another
> opinion, but unable to recognize which argument is being made.
I think you are the one who missed the boat. The post to which you
refer was posted in response to your false claim that just us kook's in
here want Tubby gone. It was a cut and past of several peoples
opinions from yesterdays LHL stating just that very thing.
Some how you come up with the not since 2001 argument comparing
Arizona's plight to UK's. (UK hasn't been since 1998 BTW)
When in fact you were proven to be wrong again, so as always you
spin, or ignore the facts.
Joseph
"Big Blue Fan" <TubbyBa...@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> stink!
>
> BBF
Brilliant! pat, pat, pat.....
;-)
funymuny
laurenjevans wrote:
> Great insight. How long did it take you to form this well thought out
> opinion?
Ok LJE, I've been patient but BBF is pretty close to what I was already
thinking, but was trying to be open. Your posts are mostly quips,
cutting remarks. Like it or not, that is the perception. Seemingly no
one can converse with you. You have picked, cut on some posters who are
regarded as decent folks (as ng's go). I happen to actually know some
of these people so I know their backgrounds, education level,
intelligence, history, etc. That's when your comments seem particularly
out of touch. Your choice. The result is few will have anything to do
with you. Not because you seemingly support OTS, but because of the way
you go about it. Pick another sport if you want. Maybe someone will
join in. Doubtful if you continue as you have. Some of us have been
posting here some time, some a lot longer, and we've learned how to read
into each other's posts. We make jokes back and forth even though the
posts are there for everyone to read. Not so with you. Your first
impression has remained, mostly. Like it or not, most everyone here
will agree with that even if they do not respond. I'm finished spending
my time, but for my final comment to you, below.
Final thoughts.......Smith, in my opinion, is not the worst coach in
America. Certainly he is capable as a coach in many ways. So was Denny
Crum. But times change. I believe Smith is not a good fit at UK (I
never wanted him to come to UK because I saw his style at Tulsa/UGA).
He has caused the uproar at UK, imo. The high expectations have been
there all along. All the actions he takes that make him Tubby Smith are
the package. Playing his son, hanging on to average coaches, lethargic
play, player dissent, many off-court player problems, suspect
recruiting, inconsistent performance, poor public communicator/shuns the
limelight which is UK basketball (which helps form the image, fair or
not). Some believe otherwise and that is good. At least, Barnhart's
credibility as an AD is in the balance. He has hitched his career to
OTS, perhaps unknowingly at the time. I believe that is why he came out
publicly a few times this spring/summer. He has learned the
significance of it all. OTS is CEO of UK basketball he said, his to
make or break. For $200k per month the expectations for an entertaining
collegiate basketball product are very high. OTS found out this past
season that fans were being patient the past few years, the expectations
of Kentucky basketball greatness are still there. If you support the
program as it is, again, that's great. Spread your word. I will do the
same.
M
Joseph
>
>
> laurenjevans wrote:
> > I didn't say Arizona basketball was as good as UK's tradition. A fellow
> > poster copied and pasted an article from espn.com that claimed Lute
Olsen
> > and Roy Williams were the two hardest working coaches in college
basketball
> > because they sat in a Las Vegas gym well past midnight. My previous
post
> > was to show that every coach struggles the way ours does.
>
> I may be slow but I did not get that meaning from the post "Arizona
> hasn't made it to the Final Four since 2001. They were knocked
> out in the 2nd round last year. Luteball Stinks!"
The meaning was ignoring the facts that disputed his claim. His MO
is to deflect and ignore the questions and the facts. It had nothing to
do with his claim that it is just us kook's who want Tubby gone.
>
> In any event, of course every coach has challenges and struggles to
> reach the FF. As has been written in this ng many times, there are many
> that believe the problems with UK basketball under OTS are much more
> than wins and losses. They have been chronicled ad nauseum (some might
> say) here.
That is putting it mildly....;-)
>
> But, I also believe William has it right in saying UK basketball has a
> different standard when it comes to 'success' than other schools. By
> making Tubby Smith the highest-paid coach in college basketball, the UK
> athletic department must have similar thoughts.
UK used to be the standard P.T.
Joseph
Wow! Could not agree more....
Pat, pat, pat....High-Five's and a Chest Bump!
;-)
Big Blue Fan
Again with the criticizing and personal attacks. You are a troll.
BBF
Joseph
"Big Blue Fan" <TubbyBa...@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> Again with the criticizing and personal attacks. You are a troll.
>
> BBF
What else would you expect BBF? He certainly can't defend
the facts.
Check out this post I found the other day....
Joseph
--
Kentucky Basketball is more than wins and losses, it is about
having pride in the program......
The following is an analysis of our 3 year high (03-05) made by Crow:
Kentucky under coach Tubby Smith won a spectacular number of games in a
three year span from 2001-2004 and that period is often referred to in
defending coach Smith's record at Kentucky despite the fact that in each of
those seasons we lost to inferior lower ranked teams in the NCAA tournament
short of the Final Four.
Let's examine a few factors and see if we can make sense of how we piled up
more wins than any other program during that period:
Out-of-conference factors:
- Due to repeated 10 loss seasons Kentucky changed their out-of-conference
schedule to add more "cupcake" teams.
- Louisville was under a new coach and system.
- Indiana was wildly inconsistent under a new coach.
- North Carolina was in a state of shock while undergoing one of their worst
periods in history while changing coaches 3 times in a 10 year period.
In-conference factors:
- Arkansas imploded with the firing of Nolan Richardson after lackadaisical
performances.
- Ol' Miss was preparing to oust Rod Barnes for phoning it in year after
year.
- Florida was entrenched in a weak effeminate brand of basketball that would
take a roster overhaul and a brilliant new assistant to fix.
- LSU was recovering from a 3 year probationary period for NCAA violations.
- Alabama narrowly avoided NCAA sanctions for an assistant creating a slush
fund for basketball recruits and was recovering from an NCAA investigation
that put their football team on 5 years probation.
- Tennessee was also suffering under a coach that was happy to phone it in
and would later be fired.
So what we had in that "great period" of a Smith led UK basketball program
was a "perfect storm" for regular season success. Our out-of-conference
schedule was revamped to include more cupcakes, our traditional rivals were
at historically low levels of performance, and our in-conference foes were
all embroiled in turmoil and lackadaisical performance. Thus, we coasted
through comparatively easy seasons only to be upset in the NCAA tournament.
The problem now, however, is that most all of those programs have righted
the ship. We no longer are picking on weakened programs with disinterested
coaches. These teams have all seriously addressed their deficiencies and are
all once again forces to be reckoned with.
So what have we done? Our recruiting is at disastrous levels in that we
seemingly cannot attract top flight talent in our front court. Our fan base
is entrenched and divided. Our program is in debt for a new practice
facility. Our AD says his coach is the one that runs the basketball program
and he as little or no say in its operation.
Things have come full circle now, folks. We are the ones at the bottom
looking up and these other teams are going to get their licks in. Better
buckle up, this is going to be a rough transition until we find the strength
to make the types of changes all these other programs have made in order to
position ourselves once again amongst the elite teams in college basketball.
William F Hansford
>
> "Big Blue Fan" <TubbyBa...@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:tptsa2t5mneh556qt...@4ax.com...
>>
>> Again with the criticizing and personal attacks. You are a troll.
>>
>> BBF
>
> What else would you expect BBF? He certainly can't defend
> the facts.
>
> Check out this post I found the other day....
Better
> buckle up, this is going to be a rough transition until we find the
> strength
> to make the types of changes all these other programs have made in order
> to
> position ourselves once again amongst the elite teams in college
> basketball.
>
Tubby has outlived his 'bounce of 98', outlived his bubble.
His bubble has burst with the fans a long time ago.
The media and 'hangers oners', have propagandized Tubby satisfies.
The tremendous high of the Pitino bounce disappeared early on Tubby's
tenure. The Tubby sleep walk put the fans into a hypnotic stance and
gradually killed the fan expectation. Lowering fan expectation is the
solution for Tubby since he promotes the idea of parity because his teams
under achieve with Tubby Coach!
So Mitch's solution could be contingent on reducing our fan base to Tubby
lover fans. Shazam problem solved. Except the winningest team of all
time(our exciting Kentucky Basketball Wildcats) will have bitten the dust.
Such a waste, no reason that our administration should kill the goose that
lays a golden egg.
Go Cats!!!!
Go Football Cats!!!!
WFH
Advocate for Kentucky Wildcat Basketball!
I have news for Mitch,, Kentucky Fans will not allow him to vaporized
Kentucky Wildcat Basketball Brilliance!
Joseph
> So Mitch's solution could be contingent on reducing our fan base to Tubby
> lover fans. Shazam problem solved. Except the winningest team of all
> time(our exciting Kentucky Basketball Wildcats) will have bitten the dust.
> Such a waste, no reason that our administration should kill the goose that
> lays a golden egg.
I think Mr. Barnhart has taken off his rose colored glass. He left Tubby
out on the limb to hang all by himself. Tubby is CEO and runs the program.
I'd suspect OTS is in the same boat as Mr. Thomas in NYC
One more year or less...
Derek
> It's fans like you that give UK a bad name throughout the
> country. Pompous, illiterate, and unwilling to not only listen to another
> opinion, but unable to recognize which argument is being made.
To quote a certain miserable, vomitous mass, "I would not say such things
if I were you".
Accusing others of pomposity while deriding them for being "illiterate"
reads very much like one piece of cookware describing another as rather
sooty.
--
Derek
"Sometimes being a friend means mastering the art of timing. There is a
time for silence. A time to let go... And a time to prepare to pick up the
pieces when it's all over." -- Gloria Naylor
Joseph
"Derek" <ne...@gwinn.us> wrote in message news:jdyzgtlrcuew$.dlg@gwinn.us...
> On Fri, 7 Jul 2006 07:35:59 -0400, laurenjevans wrote:
> To quote a certain miserable, vomitous mass, "I would not say such things
> if I were you".
>
> Accusing others of pomposity while deriding them for being "illiterate"
> reads very much like one piece of cookware describing another as rather
> sooty.
Pot & Kettle...Brilliant! That was funny Derek.....or was that
Skillet & Frying Pan?...Now I'm really confused.....
;-)
Joseph
--
Kentucky Basketball is more than wins and losses, it is about
having pride in the program......
>
funymuny
Derek wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Jul 2006 07:35:59 -0400, laurenjevans wrote:
>
>
>>It's fans like you that give UK a bad name throughout the
>>country. Pompous, illiterate, and unwilling to not only listen to another
>>opinion, but unable to recognize which argument is being made.
>
>
> To quote a certain miserable, vomitous mass, "I would not say such things
> if I were you".
>
> Accusing others of pomposity while deriding them for being "illiterate"
> reads very much like one piece of cookware describing another as rather
> sooty.
>
Subtle......without those reading and writing classes I recently started
I never would have gotten it. Pomposity, there is a good word..........
Thanks for the laugh!
M
Derek
> "Derek" <ne...@gwinn.us> wrote in message news:jdyzgtlrcuew$.dlg@gwinn.us...
>> On Fri, 7 Jul 2006 07:35:59 -0400, laurenjevans wrote:
>> To quote a certain miserable, vomitous mass, "I would not say such things
>> if I were you".
>>
>> Accusing others of pomposity while deriding them for being "illiterate"
>> reads very much like one piece of cookware describing another as rather
>> sooty.
>
> Pot & Kettle...Brilliant! That was funny Derek.....or was that
> Skillet & Frying Pan?...Now I'm really confused.....
>
> ;-)
>
> Joseph
And now for something completely different....
--
Derek
"Almost every time the Church has achieved earthly power, it has managed to
shoot itself in the foot." -- Chuck Coleson
Derek
The quoted statement is actually available on DVD, so no reading or writing
is required, so you can skip class and still be entertained.
--
Derek
"To be pleased with one's limits is a wretched state." -- Johann Wolfgang
von Goethe
Joseph
"Derek" <ne...@gwinn.us> wrote in message news:ingizfsf...@gwinn.us...
>
> The quoted statement is actually available on DVD, so no reading or
writing
> is required, so you can skip class and still be entertained.
I want mine!
;-)
Joseph
funymuny
Ahh, in true American form; make it easy!!!
M
laurenjevans
claim that you are all a bunch of kooks? I think you're using Al Gore's
scientific method.news:Br2dnQlmjcEMyDPZ...@adelphia.com...
laurenjevans
laurenjevans
> reads very much like one piece of cookware describing another as rather
> sooty.
Very well put, Derek. I retract. However I still claim that the Coach
Smith haters here are unwilling to listen to any other side of the argument.
They simply post the same rhetoric over and over again. No new ideas. Just
the same hate.
TomTraubertsBlues
> Again with the name calling.
>
> > You are a troll.
It would be so much more persuasive if you didn't engage in name calling in
just about every one of your posts.
Mike
Derek
And there is enough truth in that statement that I have not challenged it.
What I do challenge is any assumption that everyone in this newsgroup who
is critical of Coach Smith is also a "hater." We're not, although I think
those of us who aren't are in the minority.
And I'll also agree that there's a repetitious positive feedback loop in
much of this discussion, where much of the same thing is repeated but
differs in vehemence.
On the other hand, we've often heard or read Coach Smith repeat himself
about how things would be different only to see more of the same. So I'm
not certain that it's a disqualifying criticism.
--
Derek
"If I couldn't laugh, I couldn't stand this job for 15 minutes." --
President Abraham Lincoln
William F Hansford
Not hate, just wanting the same old Tubby repetitive Coaching Techniques
which have been disasterous to end!
The positive in that view is for Kentucky Wildcat Basketball to return to
some excellence which is missing with Tubby Coach.
Kentucky Basketball Excellence is a high priority to fans who live and
breathe Great Kentucky Wildcat Basketball.
I will take Smith in stride, time for someone else to fill the space in view
of The Tubby meltdown, then blaming the outstanding fans for his downfall.
Mitch said one thing right, Tubby is CEO of Kentucky Basketball. Mitch may
want an independent assessment as to how well Tubby is pleasing our Kentucky
Wildcat Fanbase. You know the ones who pay the bills for Kentucky Sports. hi
hi
Glad to have you on board laurenjevans! Thank you...
Go Cats!!!!
Go Football Cats!!!!
WFH
Advocate for Kentucky Wildcat Basketball Excellence!
Give me state of the art, cutting edge fundamentals of Kentucky Wildcat
Basketball,, entertain me and win win win!
Flagship Forum for Kentucky Sports...
>
>
William F Hansford
"Derek" <ne...@gwinn.us> wrote in message news:1994ha7e...@gwinn.us...
> On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 17:54:51 -0400, laurenjevans wrote:
>
>> "Derek" <ne...@gwinn.us> wrote in message >
>>> Accusing others of pomposity while deriding them for being "illiterate"
>>> reads very much like one piece of cookware describing another as rather
>>> sooty.
>>
>> Very well put, Derek. I retract. However I still claim that the Coach
>> Smith haters here are unwilling to listen to any other side of the
>> argument.
>> They simply post the same rhetoric over and over again. No new ideas.
>> Just
>> the same hate.
>
> And there is enough truth in that statement that I have not challenged it.
> What I do challenge is any assumption that everyone in this newsgroup who
> is critical of Coach Smith is also a "hater." We're not, although I think
> those of us who aren't are in the minority.
I have to allow different strokes to different folks who are sincere in
obtaining the 'same ends'.
Most posters who are in opposition to Tubby Coach opine(as do I) think Tubby
is past the point of credibility with empty promises, dull basketball, poor
recruiting, helpless in the NCAA Tournaments. The inability to handle first
and second round fodder(for a no. 1 seed in several instances) and the good
teams take Tubby to the wood shed entirely too often(being Kentucky).
The pre-season schedule with North Carolina(allowed freshmen to win in Rupp
allowed North Carolina's Champions to run all over him even though we were a
high seed.
Kansas had a feast on Tubby, Indiana feasted on Tubby and on and on as to
constantly under-achieving with mid-major teams, as well as lesser teams.
The insult to injury are the promises of real change,, never happens.
Talking down to our fans just recently saying how he was just one of many
coaches looking for players. A Kentucky Coach should have an advantage and
stand out. Tubby recruits his pick of 4 year players; major players seem to
shun Tubby Recruiting for whatever reasons.
I admire the folks in this ng who stand up for Kentucky Basketball over a
coach who is having lots of problems with many segments of his coaching at
Kentucky. I allow unique approaches for the same end!
I don't see any haters. I see fans who want Kentucky Basketball to be
better, and feel Tubby has had his shot. Feel that Tubby Coach Space should
be free for a new start with a new coach who just may do better. Those
posters are entitled to voice their opinion and not be ridiculed, demonized,
or called bad fans. Tell us why Tubby is so great.
However if you want to call me names,, go for it. I just want my space on
the Kentucky Wildcat Basketball Forum to voice my thoughts. And that is
good. Voice your thoughts, but don't deny me of my podium rights(soap box)!
hi hi
I think laurenjevans wants to be the judge on this news group. I accept
laruenjevans as a poster, who gives me opportunity to speak to my rebuttle
to his views; of Tubby over Kentucky Wildcat Basketball Success(excellence)!
Go Cats!!!!
Go Football Cats!!!!
WFH
Advocate for Kentucky Wildcat Basketball Excellence!
Give me state of the art, cutting edge fundamentals of Kentucky Wildcat
Basketball,, entetain me and win win win!
Flagship Forum for Kentucky Sports...
>
funymuny
Fair enough. But sometimes it's similar to hangin' with your buddies
and tellin' stories. Open for the world to read, yes. There was a time
when the newsgroup was much different in its mix (those for or against
OTS as head coach of UK). In some ways tough to demonize those who
remained or joined at a different time. Makes it seem one-sided where,
if those "supporters" had stayed, might be different. People stop (or
begin) posting for all different reasons, which are unimportant.
Would be interesting to know the numbers that read but never post (which
is fine; I did for a long time). Ratio of 100:1, 1,000:1???? And this
is just one group, not even affiliated with one of the internet-based
sports services or other more easily accessed areas.
Derek
> There was a time
> when the newsgroup was much different in its mix (those for or against
> OTS as head coach of UK).
I'll hazard a guess that the primary change has been that most of the fans
who are disillusioned have stopped participating so that the remaining
posters are those who are more passionate about the program. There'd be
additional loss as USENET use has declined in general and as more web-based
forums have become available. Although, I'd hazard to guess that other
forums are showing the same skewed participation.
But the opposite of passion is apathy. If people are still here and are
still posting criticism, it's because they still care.
Derek
After all, alphabetical subjects don't exactly describe very much.
--
Derek
"Failure is not the only punishment for laziness; there is also the success
of others." -- Jules Renard
laurenjevans
"Derek" <ne...@gwinn.us> wrote in message
the remaining
> posters are those who are more passionate about the program.
If that's what makes you feel important...
Derek
Again with the insults.
Veiled and dismissive ad hominems will neither prove your point nor endear
you to the group. It will, however, rapidly earn you a trollish reputation.
--
Derek
"Everyone is a genius at least once a year. The real geniuses simply have
their bright ideas closer together." -- Georg Christoph Lichtenberg
laurenjevans
>> "Derek" <ne...@gwinn.us> wrote in message
>>
>> the remaining
>>> posters are those who are more passionate about the program.
>>
>
> Again with the insults.
>
> Veiled and dismissive ad hominems will neither prove your point nor endear
> you to the group. It will, however, rapidly earn you a trollish
> reputation.
Just seems like the lot of you pat each other, and yourselves, on the back
way too much.
Derek
And this situation justifies trollish behavior how, exactly?
--
Derek
"It's not the voting that's democracy, it's the counting." -- Tom Stoppard
("Jumpers", Act 1, 1972)
William F Hansford
"the lot of you" are Whom? To whom are you refering? hi hi
Thanks laurenjevans! I truly love discorse in talking about 'our' Kentucky
Basketball Wildcats. I support you in voicing your opinions... even though I
disagree with your approach and substance of your message. Takes two to
tango and at least two for a good debate. For and against. Otherwise we are
a mutual admiration society(admiring Kentucky Wildcat Basketball, which is
ok) but the real fun begins when a full blown debate about ideas happens.
Name calling is a substitute for surrender, in some instances. hi hi
Go Cats!!!!
Go Football Cats!!!!
WFH
Advocate for Kentucky Wildcat Basketball Excellence!
Give me state of the art cutting edge fundamentals of Kentucky Wildcat
Basketball,, entertain me and win win win!
funymuny
Derek wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 18:21:06 -0400, laurenjevans wrote:
>
>
>>>>"Derek" <ne...@gwinn.us> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> the remaining
>>>>
>>>>>posters are those who are more passionate about the program.
>>>>
>>>Again with the insults.
>>>
>>>Veiled and dismissive ad hominems will neither prove your point nor endear
>>>you to the group. It will, however, rapidly earn you a trollish
>>>reputation.
>>
>>
>>Just seems like the lot of you pat each other, and yourselves, on the back
>>way too much.
>
>
> And this situation justifies trollish behavior how, exactly?
>
If asked, and I was not, I would add...."if true", this justifies
trollish..........
All matters of perception. Seems so to one beholder, not others. It's
what makes the world go around (not literally, of course). Keep up the
good work Derek. I am a patient man but my patience has reached its end
on this matter, for what I term 'obvious' reasons.
M
William F Hansford
>
> "laurenjevans" <lauren...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
> news:SpidnchLqMoZHCzZ...@insightbb.com...
>>
> "the lot of you" are Whom? To whom are you refering? hi hi
Error should read; To whom are you referring....
>
but the real fun begins when a full blown debate about ideas happens.
Error should read; a full blown debate about ideas happen...
Sorry about that(two errors, ugh!) laurenjevans
Thanks for your post, laurenjevans!
Joseph
"Derek" <ne...@gwinn.us> wrote in message news:1l9s6b61...@gwinn.us...
> On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 23:17:34 -0400, funymuny wrote:
>
> > There was a time
> > when the newsgroup was much different in its mix (those for or against
> > OTS as head coach of UK).
>
> I'll hazard a guess that the primary change has been that most of the fans
> who are disillusioned have stopped participating so that the remaining
> posters are those who are more passionate about the program. There'd be
> additional loss as USENET use has declined in general and as more
web-based
> forums have become available. Although, I'd hazard to guess that other
> forums are showing the same skewed participation.
From what I've seen on other forums we are pretty tame in here. Those
who want OTS out of here post facts and reasons they feel he needs to go,
and those who like him attack the messenger. Either way talk is good!
>
> But the opposite of passion is apathy. If people are still here and are
> still posting criticism, it's because they still care.
I need a copy of your notes! My other source is hording his.....;-)
Joseph
"Derek" <ne...@gwinn.us> wrote in message news:dipzmpwpz0sh$.dlg@gwinn.us...
> My apologies for jumping out of the thread. That was unintentional.
It's okay our P.O. left the group. But hopfully he shall return one day,
we could use the balance.
Joseph
See...
Joseph
"Derek" <ne...@gwinn.us> wrote in message news:11cbphdm...@gwinn.us...
> On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 16:46:32 -0400, laurenjevans wrote:
>
> Again with the insults.
>
> Veiled and dismissive ad hominems will neither prove your point nor endear
> you to the group. It will, however, rapidly earn you a trollish
reputation.
Ad hominems are typically used only by jackasses, ad hominem is a Latin term
for Shit talking. Detailed studies reveal that it occupies 87% of all forum
traffic.
Very appropriate response......;-)
Joseph
>
> Just seems like the lot of you pat each other, and yourselves, on the back
> way too much.
Just us guys having a little fun....and no, you don't get one....
funymuny
Derek wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 23:17:34 -0400, funymuny wrote:
>
>
>>There was a time
>>when the newsgroup was much different in its mix (those for or against
>>OTS as head coach of UK).
>
>
> I'll hazard a guess that the primary change has been that most of the fans
> who are disillusioned have stopped participating so that the remaining
> posters are those who are more passionate about the program.
Yes, agree. You articulate clearly what I was suggesting.
There'd be
> additional loss as USENET use has declined in general and as more web-based
> forums have become available.
Oddly enough, I remember when writing the post I intended to write
essentially the same message. So many thoughts, so few (clumsy) fingers.
funymuny
Joseph wrote:
> "Derek" <ne...@gwinn.us> wrote in message news:11cbphdm...@gwinn.us...
>
>>On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 16:46:32 -0400, laurenjevans wrote:
>>
>>Again with the insults.
>>
>>Veiled and dismissive ad hominems will neither prove your point nor endear
>>you to the group. It will, however, rapidly earn you a trollish
>
> reputation.
>
>
> Ad hominems are typically used only by jackasses, ad hominem is a Latin term
> for Shit talking. Detailed studies reveal that it occupies 87% of all forum
> traffic.
>
> Very appropriate response......;-)
No, really, man, you are good. Now I want to search to find that/those
studies. Actually sounds legit to me.
M
>
> Joseph
Derek
> Oddly enough, I remember when writing the post I intended to write
> essentially the same message. So many thoughts, so few (clumsy) fingers.
I have 10 fingers that I can't keep synchronized while typing. I'd hate to
have to try it with more getting in the way.
--
Derek
"Sanity is a madness put to good use." -- George Santayana
laurenjevans
"funymuny" <funy...@charter.net> wrote in message Keep up the
> good work Derek. I am a patient man but my patience has reached its end
> on this matter, for what I term 'obvious' reasons.
>
> M
My point exactly.
laurenjevans
"Joseph" <jos...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
> Ad hominems are typically used only by jackasses, ad hominem is a Latin
term
> for Shit talking. Detailed studies reveal that it occupies 87% of all
> forum
> traffic.
Once again with the insults. Such profanity. Shame.
Joseph
Who me? I just posted the definition from encyclopediadramatica.com,
I thought you were supposed to be the smart guy? I'm just the un-educated
kook, remember?
ad hominem
"Typically used only by jackasses, ad hominem is a Latin term for
shit talking. Detailed studies reveal that it occupies 87% of all forum
traffic.
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Ad_hominem
laurenjevans
> kook, remember?
>
Oh, I remember.
King Ghidora
:
:> There was a time
:> when the newsgroup was much different in its mix (those for or against
:> OTS as head coach of UK).
You must mean back in 1997. Trust me this ng became very
polarized by 1999. I knew Smith was a problem by the first
month of that season. He didn't have a clue how to teach
people how to play big time college basketball. He still
doesn't.
I've been posting in this ng for 15 years or more off and
on. Trust me on this. The ng has just caught up to where
many of us were in 1999. Many of the people who argued
against us are now gone because they were shown to be wrong.
Only the people who can ignore reality are still here
defending Smith.
funymuny
I do not remember the specific years but yes, around that time. I
started visiting this ng around 2000 or so. Didn't spend much time at
all but it seemed there were many more supporters of OTS and KY58 was
ringmaster (a little tongue in cheek but based on completely outsider
observations of the time). Even KY threw in the towel last season.
At least with KY his IQ, vocabulary and self-esteem seemed sufficient
for him to not resort to the nitpicky stuff, trash-talking, talking down
others with attempted personal attacks (virtually impossible without
personal knowledge of the person, hence attempted), all the while still
promoting his view. Would love to see him come back on the scene. A
wealth of UK basketball knowledge he was.
M
Joseph
"King Ghidora" <KingG...@PlanetX.com> wrote in message
news:76r6b2lcbqinecbt4...@4ax.com...
Much different mix back in the day...
Joseph
Yes, the P.O. did ad some balance however his judgment was questionable.
Big Blue Fan
wrote:
We didn't have arguments about spelling and grammar back then. Ah, the
good old days.
BBF
Joseph
"Big Blue Fan" <TubbyBa...@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fb77b2hh85g4bkvh4...@4ax.com...
OTS supporters don't have much else to cling to, they sure don't want to
talk about his recruiting, player development, offense, defense, or program
management.
Jim
Jim
"Joseph" <jos...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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William F Hansford
"King Ghidora" <KingG...@PlanetX.com> wrote in message
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Good morning King Ghidora, good to see you.
Reality is easier to see after the fact than(now, it's very obvious no
doubt, just review the sports literature daily) in the early days of Tubby
Tenure. You are very perceptive, knowledgeable(wow! you know KY Sports).
Very good in expressing yourself.
We indeed are at a very vulnerable bench mark(down low) in Kentucky
Basketball presently. Do you see the continuing downward spiral past Tubby
leaving. When do you think he will leave? Will the Nation have it's way in
wanting to preserve and improve Kentucky's lot?
My sense is that The Big Blue Nation has awakened to 'Tubby Reality'.
What's your take on a timeline for the next 3 years or more?
I think most of the Tubby Supporters are aware of your early predictions in
reading Tubby Tea Leaves as relating to Kentucky Basketball. My question is
how to get to Barnhart with the right people, in order to save our Kentucky
Basketball Icon?
I would like to see some Tubby supporters help us turn Kentucky around. I
have seen a few have the courage to change and push for Kentucky Basketball.
Be nice to see more, would make it easier with a consensus for saving our
program.
We had to go down in order for the majority of our fans to finally get a
feel for what you saw right away with Tubby Leadership. Too bad reality
takes so long catching on.
I hope we can survive this meltdown as well as we did with the Sutton
meltdown. What do you think?
Thanks King Ghidora, good to see ya!
Go Cats!!!!
Go Football Cats!!!!
WFH
Advocate for Kentucky Wildcat Excellence!
Big Blue Fan
Seems like the ones that are left are the ones who from the beginning
were raising the warning flags. What people don't understand is that
we did NOT want it to turn out this way. We were hoping we would be
wrong and Tubby would continue the greatness of the program. Alas, we
were correct and now everyone is suffering.
BBF
Joseph
"Jim" <j.sm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0AOsg.21290$Ud4....@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
> Or lack thereof :-)
>
Exactly! ;-)
Joseph
>
> Thanks King Ghidora, good to see ya!
Yes, yes it is good to see ya! Or was that hear from you?
Got to be careful these days with that nasty hall monitor lurking
around....;-)
Joseph
"Big Blue Fan" <TubbyBa...@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tvi7b2psh4gjcsu16...@4ax.com...
> Seems like the ones that are left are the ones who from the beginning
> were raising the warning flags. What people don't understand is that
> we did NOT want it to turn out this way. We were hoping we would be
> wrong and Tubby would continue the greatness of the program. Alas, we
> were correct and now everyone is suffering.
>
> BBF
You mean you're not happy that Tubbyball imploded?
Just kidding...;-) I recall that was one of the old OTS
supporter's talking points. Oh the dilemma, what a crock!
Everyone here wants Kentucky Basketball to rule, not just
participate. I have to ask myself sometimes, what are they
teaching these kids today?
Big Blue Fan
wrote:
>
>"Big Blue Fan" <TubbyBa...@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:tvi7b2psh4gjcsu16...@4ax.com...
>> Seems like the ones that are left are the ones who from the beginning
>> were raising the warning flags. What people don't understand is that
>> we did NOT want it to turn out this way. We were hoping we would be
>> wrong and Tubby would continue the greatness of the program. Alas, we
>> were correct and now everyone is suffering.
>>
>> BBF
>
>You mean you're not happy that Tubbyball imploded?
>
>Just kidding...;-) I recall that was one of the old OTS
>supporter's talking points. Oh the dilemma, what a crock!
>
>Everyone here wants Kentucky Basketball to rule, not just
>participate. I have to ask myself sometimes, what are they
>teaching these kids today?
>
>Joseph
"What are they teaching these kids today?"
Dribble the ball until 5 seconds are left on the shot clock and then
chuck up a shot.
BBF
William F Hansford
"Big Blue Fan" <TubbyBa...@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
Your question re; what are they teaching these kids today.
I recall Coach Wooden watched Kentucky and UCLA play in California.
Coach Wooden was a great coach and paid attention to details, offense and
defense. Coach Wooden became very upset and said something akin to your
question. Coach Wooden was critical of both UCLA and Kentucky's Coach Smith.
I believe Coach Wooden's reaction to watching Tubby Stall Ball and whatever
UCLA was running gives an official clue that Tubby Coach was not kosher. The
master knew!
Go Cats!!!!
Go Football Cats!!!!
WFH
Advocate for Kentucky Wildcat Basketball!
Give me state of the art cutting edge fundamentals of Kentucky Wildcat
Basketball,, entertain me and win win win!
Flagship Forum for Kentucky Sports...
>
> BBF
Joseph
>
> Your question re; what are they teaching these kids today.
> I recall Coach Wooden watched Kentucky and UCLA play in California.
> Coach Wooden was a great coach and paid attention to details, offense and
> defense. Coach Wooden became very upset and said something akin to your
> question. Coach Wooden was critical of both UCLA and Kentucky's Coach
Smith.
> I believe Coach Wooden's reaction to watching Tubby Stall Ball and
whatever
> UCLA was running gives an official clue that Tubby Coach was not kosher.
The
> master knew!
He remarked something to the effect "that what I witnessed today was not
basketball"
William F Hansford
>
> "William F Hansford" <ukb...@alltel.net> wrote in message
> news:920c7$44b3f4dd$8b371557$16...@ALLTEL.NET...
>>
>> Your question re; what are they teaching these kids today.
>> I recall Coach Wooden watched Kentucky and UCLA play in California.
>> Coach Wooden was a great coach and paid attention to details, offense and
>> defense. Coach Wooden became very upset and said something akin to your
>> question. Coach Wooden was critical of both UCLA and Kentucky's Coach
> Smith.
>> I believe Coach Wooden's reaction to watching Tubby Stall Ball and
> whatever
>> UCLA was running gives an official clue that Tubby Coach was not kosher.
> The
>> master knew!
>
> He remarked something to the effect "that what I witnessed today was not
> basketball"
A poor critique from the master, Coach Wooden.
In retrospect I am thinking; Coach Wooden a Marquee Coach of all time, came
to the arena to watch possibly the two most storied college basketball
programs of 'all time', and he is greeted with Tubby Stall Ball. Some kind
of shock no doubt! Wow!
I like sports for many reasons and allow individual coaches to win any way
they can(being honorable of course); however the lattitude and depth at a
UCLA and Kentucky is narrowed simply because of the greatness. The
'greatness' becomes a factor to keep on succeeding. Kentucky in 1996 thru
1998 and beyond could have recruited most any great recruit, most anywhere
and anytime.
Kentucky had a 'Kentucky Advantage' in recruiting almost unbelievable;
Vision of a great recruit; Kentucky Basketball Wildcats play a game which
allows players to shoot, defend, rebound, handle the ball, physically wear
their opponets to the point of being super tired, mentally wear on the
opponent in the course of the whole game that we(opponent) can't win.
Kentucky keeps comming at you, comming at you, till they win.
So if Kentucky has the exciting game for great players to use all their
talent, and win most games, win most conference titles, win most NCAA
Tournaments(only UCLA has more), and is the center of attention by the
media, and the biggie; Big Blue Nation Fans who idolize and follow the team
to the ends of the earth; making them feel 'special' to play at Kentucky.
Wow! talk about player and coach appeal to be center fold of The Kentucky
Basketball Wildcat! Momentum which enables a coach to re-load and never have
to rebuild.
Tubby has squandered those Kentucky Advantages for 9 years. Within the span
of Tubby's tenure, I am thinking those huge Kentucky Advantages have lost
the lustre. Sad
You have heard of the 'perpetual motion machine', Tubby came into Kentucky
at a time when he was in possession(of a perpetual motion reloading machine)
of the hottest college basketball team, anywhere;
We will return to greatness, won't we?
Thanks Joseph!
Go Cats!!!!
Go Football Cats!!!!
WFH
Advocate for Kentucky Wildcat Basketball Excellence!
Give me state of the art cutting edge fundamentals of Kentucky Wildcat
Basketball,, entertain me and win win win!
Flagship Forum for Kentucky Sports...
>
laurenjevans
> for him to not resort to the nitpicky stuff, trash-talking, talking down
> others with attempted personal attacks (virtually impossible without
> personal knowledge of the person, hence attempted), all the while still
> promoting his view.
Yet you still attack Coach Smith at every turn. Hypocrite.
Joseph
OTS the coach is well known, we've seen him in action first
hand for nine years.
I don't recall anyone making personal attacks at OTS the man.
laurenjevans
> talk about his recruiting, player development, offense, defense, or
> program
> management.
Recruiting: Tayshaun Prince, Keith Bogans (4th leading scorer all time),
Gerald Fitch, Chuck Hayes (arguably the best representative of UK basketball
all-time), all in the NBA. Rondo, Crawford, and Morris, all great recruits.
Player Development: Keith Bogans, Marquis Estill, Gerald Fitch, Cliff
Hawkins, Bobby Perry, Erik Daniels, Jamal Magliore, Chuck Hayes, all made
better players through Coach Smith's system. Just wait for Carter,
Crawford, and Morris to step up this year.
Offense: It's not Pitinoball. Pitino is not coming back. Get over it. We
still win games, and a win is a win is a win.
Defense: Coach Smith is one of the best defensive fundamental teachers in
the game today. So we don't press for 40 minutes anymore. See above.
Program Management: I will speak to this, Joseph, when you clarify your
meaning.
Derek
Once again, the cookware speaks!
--
Derek
"Many men can make a fortune but very few can build a family." -- J. S.
Bryan
laurenjevans
> I recall Coach Wooden watched Kentucky and UCLA play in California.
> Coach Wooden was a great coach and paid attention to details, offense and
> defense. Coach Wooden became very upset and said something akin to your
> question. Coach Wooden was critical of both UCLA and Kentucky's Coach
> Smith. I believe Coach Wooden's reaction to watching Tubby Stall Ball and
> whatever UCLA was running gives an official clue that Tubby Coach was not
> kosher. The master knew!
You think Coach Smith's style of play is old-fashioned yet you cite a coach
that retired 20 years ago. Not entirely logical is it?
Derek
> "laurenjevans" <lauren...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
> news:sMednb-YIbRIrinZ...@insightbb.com...
>>
>> "funymuny" <funy...@charter.net> wrote in message
>> At least with KY his IQ, vocabulary and self-esteem seemed sufficient
>>> for him to not resort to the nitpicky stuff, trash-talking, talking down
>>> others with attempted personal attacks (virtually impossible without
>>> personal knowledge of the person, hence attempted), all the while still
>>> promoting his view.
>>
>> Yet you still attack Coach Smith at every turn. Hypocrite.
>
> OTS the coach is well known, we've seen him in action first
> hand for nine years.
>
> I don't recall anyone making personal attacks at OTS the man.
>
> Joseph
Methinks someone needs to learn the difference between "criticism" and
"attack."
Despite what our mothers may have told us, sometimes you do need to say
things that aren't nice rather than saying nothing at all.
--
Derek
"Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to recognize a mistake
when you make it again." -- Franklin P. Jones
Derek
> You think Coach Smith's style of play is old-fashioned yet you cite a coach
> that retired 20 years ago. Not entirely logical is it?
Only if you think Coach Wooden hasn't kept up with the times.
--
Derek
"The secret of greatness is simple: do better work than any other man in
your field - and keep on doing it." -- Wilfred A. Peterson
laurenjevans
"Derek" <ne...@gwinn.us> wrote in message
> Only if you think Coach Wooden hasn't kept up with the times.
Do you know a 90-something-year-old person that has?
Derek
Yes.
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Derek
The journey of a thousand miles sometimes ends very, very badly.