A merry-Coz conspiracy?
Wildcat John
two cruel and classless trolls. Observe, if you will:
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merry:
- Makes light of the Luke Recker car crash when there are paralyzed people
lying in hospitals because of it
- Justifies its (I can't use "her" because I'm not convinced that it's a
human being) crude blabber by saying that others would rejoice if Recker
were a Corngangsta
Coz:
- Tries to link the University of Oregon with Kip Kinkel just because he
was wearing a Duck shirt
- Claims that the Duck fans would use it to their advantage had Kinkel
worn a Husky shirt
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A MEMO TO THE TWO MOST OBNOXIOUS TROLLS ON THIS NG: Just because you two
have enough ill will in your f-ed up minds to even think of such things
doesn't mean the rest of us do. Just because you two lack any amount of
human compassion and a sense of decency doesn't mean the rest of us do. I
don't know if this is news to you, BUT SCHOOL LOYALTY DOESN'T MEAN SHIT IN
COMPARISON TO HUMAN TRAGEDIES! It's one thing to hold allegiances to your
favorite team to the level of myopia, but you two ought to be ashamed of
yourselves for trying to take advantages of such things. And for what,
YOUR FRIGGIN COLLEGE TEAM? Get a hold of yourselves, morons! Does it
mean that much to you that you would stoop so low to pick on your "rival
school" that way? Are your lives so devoid of any meaning that this is
all you look forward to? Is it too much to ask to get your priorities and
grow a conscience? I guess it is in your case.
Murat Kural
"just your frigging college team" to "just friggin college sports" or
"just friggin sports" or "just friggin regionalism".
If you can't respect other people's lives, or have any feel for other
people's predicament, maybe you don't really deserve to talk about
either one.
Murat
On Sun, 14 Nov 1999 10:30:03 -0800, Wildcat John <ja...@ee.pdx.edu>
wrote:
Scott Heubach
wrote:
John,
This ASU/UA game scares me. Do you think either team is gonna show
up?
Scott
Wildcat John
> John,
>
> This ASU/UA game scares me. Do you think either team is gonna show
> up?
It's going to be a suck-fest, but I'll make the trip to empTe nonetheless.
I never thought the two teams would have to battle each other just to be
bowl-eligible... This truly sucks.
/kj
'teams' this year. The 'flusher' will just get to pull the handle
on the 'flushee'. Wheew, glad I'll be up wind for this one.
/kj
Wildcat John wrote in message ...
red
> It's going to be a suck-fest, but I'll make the trip to empTe nonetheless.
> I never thought the two teams would have to battle each other just to be
> bowl-eligible... This truly sucks.
Have you seen our kewl new lake?
red
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Wildcat John
> Have you seen our kewl new lake?
I haven't been to Phoenix in almost three years, so I guess I haven't.
From what I hear, though, it's a nice cesspool for mosqutoes to florish
in... Hehehe...
red
> I haven't been to Phoenix in almost three years, so I guess I haven't.
> From what I hear, though, it's a nice cesspool for mosqutoes to florish
> in... Hehehe...
Cesspool? Well, it's better than the outhouses they're still using on that
border town called Tucscum. But I'll digress before getting REALLY fired up!
What I forsee is a badly shaken ASU squad, riddled with scandal and a bruised
sense of pride, trying to salvage their season with one last win. They will
be going in with the determination they showed at 'SC after losing to Oregon,
or UW after losing to Notre Dame. Big losses always kick the Devils in the
butt, so be prepared.
AU will play tough and will pull some moves that Snyder cannot and has never
been able to anticipate year after year. I think it's going to be very, very
close, and I'm going to give ASU the edge in this one because it will be
Redmond's last game.
ASU 45, AU 42 OT
Scott Heubach
wrote:
>On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Scott Heubach wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> This ASU/UA game scares me. Do you think either team is gonna show
>> up?
>
>It's going to be a suck-fest, but I'll make the trip to empTe nonetheless.
>I never thought the two teams would have to battle each other just to be
>bowl-eligible... This truly sucks.
>
Hey,
If you see a guy wearing a bizarre looking ASU wool cap with crooked
marron and gold horns on it, that's me. Say hello.
Anyway, since this is for nothing but the Hulka Bowl, I think I can
remain civil this week and next, though I must say I give the UA fans
a wave from Hawaii.....
It's gonna be sad, but I'm going ASU 31, UA 28.
Scott
Wildcat John
> If you see a guy wearing a bizarre looking ASU wool cap with crooked
> marron and gold horns on it, that's me. Say hello.
Like I'd be able to tell you apart from all the fashion-challenged ASU
fans who dress like that every day... Hehehe... My group will be in the
visitors' section which will be full of red (one of whom is an ASU buddy
who doesn't yet know that he'll be sitting in the Arizona section...
Cruel, aren't I?)
> Anyway, since this is for nothing but the Hulka Bowl, I think I can
> remain civil this week and next, though I must say I give the UA fans
> a wave from Hawaii.....
>
> It's gonna be sad, but I'm going ASU 31, UA 28.
I picked the Cats to lose to Oregon State last week, but there's NO WAY I
can pick against them in this game, not when ASU has a history of losing
against Arizona.
Stuart L. Dollar
>It's gonna be sad, but I'm going ASU 31, UA 28.
>
>Scott
Sorry, but I think the players have heard enough of Snyder's post-game
remarks about how they didn't play well (notice he never says he was
outcoached) to where they will respond accordingly by not playing well
in a big game.
Nice how Snyder always whines about the players being emotionally
flat...but...the score to UW vs. UCLA was NEVER told to the players
during the game and was NEVER posted at Sun Devil Stadium during the
Stanford game, despite the fact that the game ended early in the 1st
quarter of the ASU game.
Q: Exactly how does a team with a chance to take the inside track on a
trip to the Rose Bowl and the Pac 10 title come out emotionally flat.
A: When a continually ill prepared coaching staff sucks the life out
of them on a weekly basis.
My call:
UA 38, ASU 28
Bruce Snyder must go.
Stu
Stuart L. Dollar
"Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God." -Thomas Jefferson
Just remove the NoSpAmM to reply!
Wildcat John
> UA 38, ASU 28
>
> Bruce Snyder must go.
Hmm... At KGME, ASU's flagship's station in Phoenix, there has been some
debate as to whether or not Danny White, the coach of the Arena League's
Arizona Rattlers, should replace Snyder. (Now why would an Oregon
resident listen to a Phoenix station over the internet? Because I tire of
all-Blazer talk that dominates the airwaves at KFXX during the NBA season.
Did I mention that I can't stand the NBA?) I'm curious as to what you ASU
fans think about that possibility. I'm kind of thinking that Arizona
might need a coaching change as well, and White might be... nah, why would
they ever hire a Sun Dev... but then again, Mike Candrea (Arizona softball
coach) is an ASU alum... Just some random thoughts...
red
> Did I mention that I can't stand the NBA?) I'm curious as to what you ASU
> fans think about that possibility.
1) Kevin White is not going to buy out Snyder's contract. He's here, he's
queer, we have to get used to it.
2) Danny White may not want to come to ASU, I'm told. He's coaching the
Rattlers, a team that perpetually wins, and even though arena is a joke, he
probably enjoys his job.
3) I fear that by the time badly-needed changes do come around, it'll be too
late. However, ASU will have a senior quarterback next year who may just pull
off some wins. If that happens, everyone will be back on the Snyder bandwagon
once again as he takes credit for things that are not entirely his doing.
red
> Sorry, but I think the players have heard enough of Snyder's post-game
> remarks about how they didn't play well (notice he never says he was
> outcoached) to where they will respond accordingly by not playing well
> in a big game.
Hmm. They seemed to do ok after other losses... perpetually bouncing back. I
think this may be ASU's turn to win because AU is going to be overconfident.
It'll be close though.
> Q: Exactly how does a team with a chance to take the inside track on a
> trip to the Rose Bowl and the Pac 10 title come out emotionally flat.
A. Have a star player fall to scandal, another very good player get into big
trouble with his church, have a QB who has to sit out every time he gets a
hangnail, and have a defense that manages to make the Farm defense look like a
brick wall.
Not to mention that the 12th man was bored and went home at halftime...which
made parking much easier this time. That was one of the worst games I've ever
been to.
> Bruce Snyder must go.
He must at least take some accountability for the program and stop blaming
everyone else. He was eager to take the credit during '96... where'd that
eagerness go?
BS has potential to be a great coach. He'd better prove it soon though.
Ron Valdez
Wildcat John wrote...
> On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Scott Heubach wrote:
>
> > John,
> >
> > This ASU/UA game scares me. Do you think either team is gonna show
> > up?
>
> It's going to be a suck-fest, but I'll make the trip to empTe nonetheless.
> I never thought the two teams would have to battle each other just to be
> bowl-eligible... This truly sucks.
It could be worse... those of us in L.A. have a battle between two teams
whose only prize is the right to say "at least we don't suck as bad as
you"... neither team will have a winning season regardless of the outcome of
the game, something which has not happened in my lifetime (it looks like the
last time this happened was in the late 1950s).
Adams
Ron Valdez <rva...@earthlinkremovethis.net> wrote in article
<80re1u$c23$1...@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
>
>
> It could be worse... those of us in L.A. have a battle between two teams
> whose only prize is the right to say "at least we don't suck as bad as
> you"... neither team will have a winning season regardless of the outcome
of
> the game, something which has not happened in my lifetime (it looks like
the
> last time this happened was in the late 1950s).
>
An the total bunk on that topic is that it's on ABC!
UGH.
If U$C/UCLA in last place isn't bad enough to get UO/OSU (both 7-3) on ABC,
nothing is...
Exactly why I don't want a playoff.
Brit
Adams
about to give you good reasons for why I assert as I do below. You're such
a genius, guess. Were I to respond, all you'd do is come up with some
not-so-thinly veiled reason why you are better. I'm tired of it, and you.
Like I said, ignorance is curable, but dumb is dumb forever.
Brit
Coz <husky98.p...@thegym.net> wrote in article
<3835dab0...@news.aa.net>...
> On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:20:47 GMT, Adams wrote:
>
> > An the total bunk on that topic is that it's on ABC!
>
> True, but how else are they going to get those schools fans to watch
> the game? They sure won't get in their cars to drive across town to
> see them.
>
> > If U$C/UCLA in last place isn't bad enough to get UO/OSU (both 7-3) on
ABC,
> > nothing is...
>
> Why? No one outside of the state of Oregon cares and the game has no
> impact on the Rose Bowl.
>
> The Stanford/Cal and UDub/WaZoo games are the ones with conference
> wide meaning. Not that either one of them looks to be a close game,
> just that they are the games that have the most meaning.
>
> > Exactly why I don't want a playoff.
>
> And what does one have to do with the other?
>
>
Ron Valdez
Coz <husky98.p...@thegym.net> wrote in message
news:3834d734...@news.aa.net...
> On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 02:50:18 -0800, Ron Valdez wrote:
>
> > It could be worse... those of us in L.A. have a battle between two teams
> > whose only prize is the right to say "at least we don't suck as bad as
> > you"... neither team will have a winning season regardless of the
outcome of
> > the game, something which has not happened in my lifetime (it looks like
the
> > last time this happened was in the late 1950s).
>
In 1996 U$C played UCLA before finishing up the season with Notre Dame. If
the Trojans had won both of those games they could have had a winning
season. But yeah, your point is valid.
> What stunned me in looking this up was how many losing seasons UCLA
> actually has had since WWII. 12 of them as compared to 8 of them for
> U$C.
Doesn't surprise me at all, having suffered through several of them as a
fan. What does surprise me is that the Bruins are #3 overall in the
conference over all the years they have played, and that they are in the top
15 (as measured by average final poll ranking) all-time. Not bad for a
basketball school.
http://www.cae.wisc.edu/~dwilson//rsfc/history/APpolls.txt
Ron Valdez
Katrina Templeton wrote...
> On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 02:50:18 -0800, Ron Valdez
> alt.sports.college.pac-10 should know:
>
> : It could be worse... those of us in L.A. have a battle between two teams
> : whose only prize is the right to say "at least we don't suck as bad as
> : you"...
>
> But this is the game to watch this rivalry week in the Pac-10! Why else
would
> ABC have chosen it over such awful games as Oregon-OSU or Washington-WSU
or
> even Cal-Stanfurd? There's got to be something interesting here...
>
> <tounge firmly in cheek>
Yes. It's called ratings. Add up the combined number of alumni of each
pair of rivals and you might find something interesting indeed.
And you NoCal types can start whining when you actually sell out the damn
game itself. HAND.
Adams
> On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:13:51 GMT, Adams wrote:
>
> > You've worn out any possibility of getting a response from me.
>
>
> Nice try. LOL
>
>
> > I'm not about to give you good reasons for why I assert as I do below.
>
Yep. That's me. You are right. You have me pegged. No need to beat a dead
horse. I have an idea... ignore me. Dare you.
>
> > Like I said, ignorance is curable, but dumb is dumb forever.
>
> I am glad you have identified your problem.
Oh, funny. Irony... I get it.
See?
You ARE a dick. You are a typical UW fan. The prototype.
I'll insult you and point out what a waste of carbon you are until I'm blue
in the face. I believe that bad customer service should not be rewarded,
that assholes should know they are assholes, and that stupid people should
be educated. So, I'm more than happy, in fact willing, to point out that
you are nothing but noise. I will say, I'm insulted that you even pretended
to try to respond as a normal poster, asking questions, wondering why I
think what I do. I won't waste my time in responding in that way (I thought
that was clear, but again, I'm dealing with a dumbass) to you. I'll reserve
that for the other participants on this group. I realize your little game
there. For a second, I almost responded (since the tone of your post almost
fooled me into thinking you were one of the good people on this list.) But,
I looked at the header and realized I almost fell for it, almost fell for
giving you a chance to spindoctor my post, to point out your huskies are
better than anything I know and care for, and you are better than me.
Fortunately, I didn't.
"Yeah, honey, so this guy that no one likes on the newsgroup posts a
message with the heading 'Oregon Recruiting' and a picture of Kip Kinkel."
"Really?"
"Yeah."
"Sounds like a real idiot."
Happened last night, in my kitchen...
Brit
Katrina Templeton
<rva...@earthlinkremovethis.net> thought that
alt.sports.college.pac-10 should know:
: It could be worse... those of us in L.A. have a battle between two teams
: whose only prize is the right to say "at least we don't suck as bad as
: you"... neither team will have a winning season regardless of the outcome of
: the game, something which has not happened in my lifetime (it looks like the
: last time this happened was in the late 1950s).
But this is the game to watch this rivalry week in the Pac-10! Why else would
ABC have chosen it over such awful games as Oregon-OSU or Washington-WSU or
even Cal-Stanfurd? There's got to be something interesting here...
<tounge firmly in cheek>
kat
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being can fight and never stop fighting." -- ee cummings
Katrina Templeton
alt.sports.college.pac-10 should know:
: And you NoCal types can start whining when you actually sell out the damn
: game itself. HAND.
Awww, c'mon. It's rivalry week, and Stanfurd can't have all of Cal's love
and affection, y'know. :)
Besides, us Bears are out of it, just like you guys are. This is our
season right here. Frankly, I don't care if it gets covered on TV or not,
I've got a ticket, and will be there screaming my heart out, rain or
shine. I'm not a fair-weather fan.
Jason O'Rourke
>Yes. It's called ratings. Add up the combined number of alumni of each
>pair of rivals and you might find something interesting indeed.
Nah, it's called a joke.
Any of the other conference matchups has more signficance this weekend.
Or there's the notion of showing good football - ABC will show the country
exactly why the Pac sucks so badly this season.
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Adams
Coz <husky98.p...@thegym.net> wrote in article
<3831ec3e...@news.aa.net>...
> On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:13:51 GMT, Adams wrote:
>
> > You've worn out any possibility of getting a response from me.
>
> Oh, so this response really didn't happen?
>
> Nice try. LOL
I'm going to go slow, so you'll understand... (predicted Coz response: so
at least you know your limitations... or someting like it...)
I'm not going to respond to you with any sports related content. You will
merely manipulate it in a way to help you masturbate about how great you
are. Instead, I will only respond to point out what a dumbass you are.
<<Erroneous crap snipped>>
Adams
Coz wrote in message <38332488...@news.aa.net>...
>On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:47:15 GMT, Adams wrote:
>
>> I'm not going to respond to you with any sports related content.
>
>related content".
>
Never? Never ever? Wrong. I started the thread about a SeaTimes sports
columnist's fear of the Ducks. That's not sports related?
>
>No one wants to read post after post for drivel. Offer some substance
>or just ignore my posts. Your blood pressure will be lower and people
>won't see you acting like an idiot.
Speaking for all? Fine. I'll assume you speak for all. Drivel about you is
done...
Scott Heubach
wrote:
Brit. Let it go. You're egging him on. I suggest you do what I do.
When I see little Coz has responded to a post, I read, and delete it.
I don't respond unless he's spewing some inaccurate garbage about the
saftey of asshole turf, or some other piece of shit, inaccurate
diatribe he's spun. This is how he gets his jollys.
Oh, and Coz,
Here's a few facts for ya.
In 1995 the NFL Player's Union took did a survey of the 965 NFL
professional football players in relation to grass and turf. Almost 7
of 8 players (85%) said they prefered grass. More than 9 in 10 (93%)
said through personal experience turf causes more injuries than grass.
The NY Jets tore out their practice field turf due to the FACT more
injuries had occured in two weeks of training on it than had occurred
during the prior season.
Pop Warner Football has outlawed the use of turf facilities because of
continual problems with serious injuries related to playing on turf.
Need I say more. Probably.
Oh, one more Coz old boy.
You have no class. Comedy = tragety + time. As far as Ted Bundy
goes, the jokes about him and UW were well after the fact. You sir,
printed your lovely comment within days after the occurance. You
should appologize, but you won't. You should appreciate your attempt
at comedy is only funny to the card board cut out people you live with
in your basement, but you won't.
You should go away. But you won't.
Scott Heubach
wrote:
>On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 01:32:36 GMT, Scott Heubach wrote:
>
>> Brit. Let it go. You're egging him on.
>
>And you are not?
>
>You two are two peas in a pod.
>
>Since you apologized, and want yet another fresh start, I won't
>bother with the rest.
>
>[ balance deleted without reading ]
>
>There is my good faith attempt to let you start fresh.
Of course you won't read the rest Coz, you don't like to read facts
that clearly counter your opinions.
Stuart L. Dollar
wrote:
>Hmm... At KGME, ASU's flagship's station in Phoenix, there has been some
>debate as to whether or not Danny White, the coach of the Arena League's
>Arizona Rattlers, should replace Snyder. (Now why would an Oregon
>resident listen to a Phoenix station over the internet? Because I tire of
>all-Blazer talk that dominates the airwaves at KFXX during the NBA season.
>Did I mention that I can't stand the NBA?) I'm curious as to what you ASU
>fans think about that possibility. I'm kind of thinking that Arizona
>might need a coaching change as well, and White might be... nah, why would
>they ever hire a Sun Dev... but then again, Mike Candrea (Arizona softball
>coach) is an ASU alum... Just some random thoughts...
Not a snowball's chance in hell of getting rid of Snyder for another
couple of years...courtesy of Kevin "the Subgenius" White, Snyder's
under contract until 2004. Makes sense to me that we'd give ANOTHER
two year contract extension to a guy whose last season went 5-6, but
that's what White did prior to this season, extending him from 2002 to
2004. Looks like Snyder could reward him by going 5-6 again.
Stuart L. Dollar
>2) Danny White may not want to come to ASU, I'm told. He's coaching the
>Rattlers, a team that perpetually wins, and even though arena is a joke, he
>probably enjoys his job.
It is also a huge leap of faith to assume that White is ready for a
major I-A coaching job. With the Rattlers he's a coach only (he
doesn't make personnel decisions), so it would be a big question mark
as to whether he can recruit at the major collegiate level.
>3) I fear that by the time badly-needed changes do come around, it'll be too
>late. However, ASU will have a senior quarterback next year who may just pull
>off some wins. If that happens, everyone will be back on the Snyder bandwagon
Sadly, a senior QB with the knees of a senior citizen.
Stuart L. Dollar
>> Bruce Snyder must go.
>
>He must at least take some accountability for the program and stop blaming
>everyone else. He was eager to take the credit during '96... where'd that
>eagerness go?
This is my major problem with him. You know what, 1996 was going to
be a tough act to follow. 1997 and 1998 were destined to be leaner
years because the 1992, 1993, and 1994 recruiting classes were fairly
lean. 1992 saw Snyder arrive in mid-recruiting season, 1994 saw him
trying to recruit coming off a 3-8 season...
My problem is his dog and pony show about his guys coming off flat.
It is (I believe) the responsibility of the coach to make sure those
things don't happen. Yet this team has been flat and unprepared at
ridiculous times. ASU players have said ON RECORD, that they didn't
feel prepared for the last two UA games. This team has come up
against GOOD teams looking lifeless (witness the 1998 debacle against
BYU, and last week against Stanford). At some point, Bruce needs to
look in the mirror when assigning blame.
Scott Heubach
(Stuart L. Dollar) wrote:
>On Mon, 15 Nov 1999 21:00:57 -0700, red <kip...@imap2.asu.edu> wrote:
>
>>2) Danny White may not want to come to ASU, I'm told. He's coaching the
>>Rattlers, a team that perpetually wins, and even though arena is a joke, he
>>probably enjoys his job.
>
>It is also a huge leap of faith to assume that White is ready for a
>major I-A coaching job. With the Rattlers he's a coach only (he
>doesn't make personnel decisions), so it would be a big question mark
>as to whether he can recruit at the major collegiate level.
I think White can do the job. He understands football, he was used to
help in recruiting right after he retired from the NFL, and is still
used as a spokesman today. I think he'd make a fine head coach in
college.
>
>>3) I fear that by the time badly-needed changes do come around, it'll be too
>>late. However, ASU will have a senior quarterback next year who may just pull
>>off some wins. If that happens, everyone will be back on the Snyder bandwagon
>
>Sadly, a senior QB with the knees of a senior citizen.
>
Scott Heubach
>On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Stuart L. Dollar wrote:
>
>> UA 38, ASU 28
>>
>> Bruce Snyder must go.
>
>Hmm... At KGME, ASU's flagship's station in Phoenix, there has been some
>debate as to whether or not Danny White, the coach of the Arena League's
>Arizona Rattlers, should replace Snyder. (Now why would an Oregon
>resident listen to a Phoenix station over the internet? Because I tire of
>all-Blazer talk that dominates the airwaves at KFXX during the NBA season.
>Did I mention that I can't stand the NBA?) I'm curious as to what you ASU
>fans think about that possibility. I'm kind of thinking that Arizona
>might need a coaching change as well, and White might be... nah, why would
>they ever hire a Sun Dev... but then again, Mike Candrea (Arizona softball
>coach) is an ASU alum... Just some random thoughts...
>
It is a well known fact that Danny White can't even stand being in
Tucson. If he has to stay over night, he either stays in Phoenix, or
he rents a hotel room outside of the town. There is no way in hell
Danny White would ever become the head football coach of UA. I don't
think there's enough money in the world....
He really hates UA.
Scott
Scott Heubach
(Stuart L. Dollar) wrote:
>On Mon, 15 Nov 1999 17:07:54 -0800, Wildcat John <ja...@ee.pdx.edu>
>wrote:
>
>>Hmm... At KGME, ASU's flagship's station in Phoenix, there has been some
>>debate as to whether or not Danny White, the coach of the Arena League's
>>Arizona Rattlers, should replace Snyder. (Now why would an Oregon
>>resident listen to a Phoenix station over the internet? Because I tire of
>>all-Blazer talk that dominates the airwaves at KFXX during the NBA season.
>>Did I mention that I can't stand the NBA?) I'm curious as to what you ASU
>>fans think about that possibility. I'm kind of thinking that Arizona
>>might need a coaching change as well, and White might be... nah, why would
>>they ever hire a Sun Dev... but then again, Mike Candrea (Arizona softball
>>coach) is an ASU alum... Just some random thoughts...
>
>Not a snowball's chance in hell of getting rid of Snyder for another
>couple of years...courtesy of Kevin "the Subgenius" White, Snyder's
>under contract until 2004. Makes sense to me that we'd give ANOTHER
>two year contract extension to a guy whose last season went 5-6, but
>that's what White did prior to this season, extending him from 2002 to
>2004. Looks like Snyder could reward him by going 5-6 again.
I think if Snyder loses big against UA he may be gone. I also think
if ASU comes out flat next season, White will not hesititate to pull
the trigger. I don't agree with your analysis of White. He pulled
the trigger on Mob Boss Frieder and had to buy his sorry excuse for
coaching out. I think he'll do what's best for the program, even if
it costs the university money.
As well, the University can not afford a mass exodus on season
tickets. Ticket sales are already down to the level they were in
Marmie's last year. White would much rather spend the money now than
lose the money later.
That's what I think anyway.
Scott
Ron Valdez
Jason O'Rourke growled...
> Ron Valdez <rva...@earthlinkremovethis.net> wrote:
> >Yes. It's called ratings. Add up the combined number of alumni of each
> >pair of rivals and you might find something interesting indeed.
>
> Nah, it's called a joke.
>
> Any of the other conference matchups has more signficance this weekend.
What, to see which team is offered up as a sacrificial lamb to Wisconsin?
The entire conference is an embarrasing joke this year. That's the plain
unvarnished truth. The rivalry games will only matter to the fans of the
teams in question.
> Or there's the notion of showing good football - ABC will show the country
> exactly why the Pac sucks so badly this season.
...no matter which game they show.
Adams
Coz wrote in message <3836a969...@news.aa.net>...
>On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 05:47:20 GMT, Ron Valdez wrote:
>
>> What, to see which team is offered up as a sacrificial lamb to Wisconsin?
>
>year, but when the Huskies went into the 1978 Rose Bowl with a 7-4
>record (and after a very unimpressive OOC performance), to play
>Michigan with their 10-1 record (and in their third straight New Years
>Day Bowl), no one gave them a rats ass chance of even being in the
>game, just as you are talking now. Well they were not only in the
>game, but stunned the country and beat Michigan.
>
>> The entire conference is an embarrasing joke this year.
>
>that you can't just write off a bowl because you think the other team
>is too good. Things are shaping up right now just like they did then.
>
>I am not saying that the Pac-10 will send a team that will beat
>Wisconsin, just that you might find yourself very surprised come Jan
>2nd.
Without a profanity-laced tirade that will send all the fragile souls into
their confessionals, I must say, I wholeheartedly agree with the devil here.
I'm not prepared to pencil in a Wisconsin win (or any other bowl opponent
for that matter). Obviously, we have all made fun of the Pac this year, but
when it comes to bowl games... all things can change.
Stanford will score points. The uw team that played every game except ASU
and UCLA will be a handfull (as long as it isn't Colo State, after last
night). Oregon can score points and has been playing much better defense.
OSU will give anyone a hard time in Hawaii (assuming that's where they go),
and ASU or AZ will be a tough opponent for anyone. I think the NMSU/SJSU
debacles are behind us.
Brit
Patrick Thrapp
news:7siZ3.88867$YB4.3...@typ12.nn.bcandid.com...
>
> Coz wrote in message <3836a969...@news.aa.net>...
> >On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 05:47:20 GMT, Ron Valdez wrote:
> >
> >> What, to see which team is offered up as a sacrificial lamb to
Wisconsin?
> >
> >This attitude is really unfounded. Yes the Pac-10 is having an off
> >year
> >
> and UCLA will be a handfull (as long as it isn't Colo State, after last
> night). Oregon can score points and has been playing much better defense.
> OSU will give anyone a hard time in Hawaii (assuming that's where they
go),
> and ASU or AZ will be a tough opponent for anyone. I think the NMSU/SJSU
> debacles are behind us.
Lets not forget that Wisconsin got beat by the Bearcats of Cincinnati this
year 17-12. Those juggernauts who happen to be 3 & 7 with a 2 game losing
streak hosting Memphis tomorrow.
I don't think the associative law holds up in college football.
Stuart L. Dollar
>>Not a snowball's chance in hell of getting rid of Snyder for another
>>couple of years...courtesy of Kevin "the Subgenius" White, Snyder's
>>under contract until 2004. Makes sense to me that we'd give ANOTHER
>>two year contract extension to a guy whose last season went 5-6, but
>>that's what White did prior to this season, extending him from 2002 to
>>2004. Looks like Snyder could reward him by going 5-6 again.
>
>I think if Snyder loses big against UA he may be gone. I also think
>if ASU comes out flat next season, White will not hesititate to pull
>the trigger. I don't agree with your analysis of White. He pulled
>the trigger on Mob Boss Frieder and had to buy his sorry excuse for
>coaching out. I think he'll do what's best for the program, even if
>it costs the university money.
2 differences. Frieder, with his gambling, and his total lack of
control over his athletes (see gambling scandal), had become a hair
shirt. However, much I dislike Snyder (and I think it's no secret
that I'm very tired of his dog and pony show), he is not even close to
the total CANCER that Frieder was.
Also, Frieder had about 1 more year on his deal when he got the axe,
at about $3-400k. Firing Snyder would cost about $2.5 to 3 milliion,
and I see no way that White will part with the jack.
>As well, the University can not afford a mass exodus on season
>tickets. Ticket sales are already down to the level they were in
>Marmie's last year. White would much rather spend the money now than
>lose the money later.
>
>That's what I think anyway.
We'll see., I suppose. I think his job is safe through next year.
But if attendance continues to dip, and he turns in anything less than
a major bowl with what will be a veteran team next year, he would be
in trouble.