Re: WVU tabs Holgorsen as 'coach in waiting'
J.C. Watts
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.football.college/msg/4d007e9d14bc74d4?hl=en
"He'll be pretty good this year with what RichRod left him. But
ultimately, he'll be shown the door after some so-so respectable
seasons that don't live up to WVU's expectations."
Jon
xyzzy
> On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 07:48:46 -0800 (PST), "J.C. Watts"> >http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.football.college/msg/4d007e9...
>
> >"He'll be pretty good this year with what RichRod left him. But
> >ultimately, he'll be shown the door after some so-so respectable
> >seasons that don't live up to WVU's expectations."
>
> >Jon
>
> I should also say, without reviewing the thread, I don't recall many,
> if any, disagreeing with him. :)
I was going to remark that keeping Stewart on as a lame duck for 2011
didn't seem very smrat, but then I remembered that Bill Dooley's lame
duck year at VT (which was also my senior year, GETOFFAMYLAWN) was his
best ever, and arguably the best year ever for VT football up until
that point. Obviously Beamer has since way surpassed him.
xyzzy
>
> "He'll be pretty good this year with what RichRod left him. But
> ultimately, he'll be shown the door after some so-so respectable
> seasons that don't live up to WVU's expectations."
>
> Jon
Thanks for remembering :)
I also said in that post that Stewart was the WVU version of Carl
Torbush (the coach who replaced Mack Brown at UNC). And indeed he
was, right down to the impressive bowl victory while interim coach
that got him the job, and then steadily declining performance as his
predecessor's recruits and influence on the program waned.
But I think WVU fans are quite happy (and Michigan fans not so happy)
that RichRod's arc didn't turn out much like Mack Brown's.
J.C. Watts
> On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 08:34:14 -0800 (PST), xyzzy <xyzzy.d...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >But I think WVU fans are quite happy (and Michigan fans not so happy)
> >that RichRod's arc didn't turn out much like Mack Brown's.
>
> this year but he's not a MNC caliber coach. His fortunes are too
> volatile, chaotic. WVU is much better without him.
Maybe you are setting your expectations too high, A one-loss team
that goes to a BCS bowl is good enough for me.
tom_sa...@yahoo.com
>
>
> "He'll be pretty good this year with what RichRod left him. But
> ultimately, he'll be shown the door after some so-so respectable
> seasons that don't live up to WVU's expectations."
>
He ended up being pretty even-keel with 9 win seasons.
Given that the defensive staff is being retained for another year, I'd
rather have had them tweak the offensive side (OC) than overhaul the
entire thing. An "air raid" attack in the north worries me, and our
defense has recently been "bend and try not to break." That is a very
dangerous combination if the offense is misfiring on gameday.
It might not be necessary, but at least it will cost us more.
Jaybyrd
> Oklahoma State s Holgorsen hired at West Virginia
>
> MORGANTOWN, W.Va. (AP) Oklahoma State offensive coordinator Dana
> Holgorsen has been hired for the same position at West Virginia next
> season, and the Mountaineers plan to make him head coach in 2012.
>
> In the deal announced Wednesday, Holgorsen will replace Jeff Mullen as
> offensive coordinator and become head coach in waiting in 2011.
>
> He will replace head coach Bill Stewart for the 2012 season. The
> university said Stewart will take an administrative role after the
> 2011 season.
>
> The Mountaineers released a statement to announce the hiring.
>
> My goal is to win a national championship at West Virginia
> University, and I firmly believe that coach Stewart has built a solid
> foundation, which will allow us to compete with the very best in the
> country, Holgorsen said in the statement.
>
> Holgorsen isn t expected to join the Mountaineers until after West
> Virginia (9-3) faces North Carolina State (8-4) in the Champ Sports
> Bowl on Dec. 28.
>
> Athletic director Oliver Luck said Holgorsen, who also will coach
> quarterbacks next season, will be paid $800,000 in 2011 and that will
> increase to $1.4 million, plus incentives, in 2012. The statement
> didn t say how many years the contract is for.
>
> Hologorsen made $360,000 at Oklahoma State this season but did not
> have a signed contract with the university. Stewart, 58, is making
> $900,000 this season.
>
> West Virginia has gone 28-11 in three seasons under Stewart, whose
> six-year contract runs through 2014. When reached by The Associated
> Press on Wednesday night, Stewart said he was in a meeting and
> couldn t talk.
>
> I think the transition year for coach Holgorsen will be very
> beneficial to the football program, and the opportunity to learn from
> coach Bill Stewart should not be underestimated, Luck said in the
> statement. Coach Holgorsen is one of the top coaches in college
> football. We know that coach Holgorsen will bring a high-powered
> offense that will be incredibly entertaining to watch at Milan Puskar
> Stadium.
>
> Waning fan interest may have also contributed to the move. West
> Virginia sold out just one home game this season and there were almost
> 12,000 empty seats for the regular-season finale against Rutgers.
>
> In Holgorsen s only season at Oklahoma State, the Cowboys led the Bowl
> Subdivision with 537.6 yards per game while running back Kendall
> Hunter and wide receiver Justin Blackmon were named first-team
> all-Americans. His offenses at Houston also were among the most
> proficient in the country in 2008 and 2009 with quarterback Case
> Keenum.
>
> Before becoming West Virginia s AD in July, Luck was president of the
> Houston Dynamos soccer franchise for five years and was familiar with
> Holgorsen s explosive offenses.
>
> West Virginia could use the offensive help. The Mountaineers ranked
> 64th in total offense at nearly 377 yards. The Mountaineers surpassed
> 35 points in three of their last four games and surpassed 30 points
> six times this season, but scored 14 points or less in all three
> losses and two of those were blamed on turnover problems.
>
> Holgorsen was a finalist for the Broyles Award given annually to the
> nation s top college assistant coach. Oklahoma State was picked to
> finish near the bottom of the Big 12 South this season.
>
> A native of Mount Pleasant, Iowa, Holgorsen played at Iowa Wesleyan
> and has been coaching since 1993. He also was on the staff at Texas
> Tech from 2000 to 2007, including as co-offensive coordinator his
> final three seasons. He also held jobs at Valdosta State, Mississippi
> College and Wingate.
>
> Stewart has been under constant scrutiny since he was named interim
> coach after Rich Rodriguez s sudden departure for Michigan after the
> 2007 regular season ended. Stewart led the Mountaineers to a win in
> the Fiesta Bowl over Oklahoma and was named head coach in the early
> morning hours after the game.
>
> Stewart said he is proud of his accomplishments, including three
> straight nine-win seasons and a Big East co-championship this season.
>
> I took over as head coach in a very challenging time, and we have
> faced every obstacle with a passion to bring nothing but the best to
> West Virginia football.
>
> http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-wvirginia-holgorsen
>
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Yes, all my WVU plas have been moaning that Bill Stewart is too
"nice". I can see that hiring jerks like Huggins = success so I see
their point.
J.C. Watts
wrote:
> On Dec 16, 10:48 am, "J.C. Watts" <jens...@charter.net> wrote:
>
> > xyzzy called it on Bill Stewart
>
> >http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.football.college/msg/4d007e9...
>
> > "He'll be pretty good this year with what RichRod left him. But
> > ultimately, he'll be shown the door after some so-so respectable
> > seasons that don't live up to WVU's expectations."
>
> He ended up being pretty even-keel with 9 win seasons.
Then why did they dump him? Does Luck just not like the guy?
> Given that the defensive staff is being retained for another year, I'd
> rather have had them tweak the offensive side (OC) than overhaul the
> entire thing. An "air raid" attack in the north worries me, and our
> defense has recently been "bend and try not to break." That is a very
> dangerous combination if the offense is misfiring on gameday.
Eh...Brian Kelly has done just fine in the north.
tom_sa...@yahoo.com
> Then why did they dump him? Does Luck just not like the guy?
There are some donors who have never liked the hire. The guy is 28-11
or so in three years and WVU is one of 6 programs to win 9 games a
year over the past 6 years. Sure, we lost some we should have won,
but we did that with RR too. Big $$$ losses.
>
> Eh...Brian Kelly has done just fine in the north.
When was Cincinnati consider a national power? I mean, here's the
thing, Stewart was less than a TD away from a BCS bid. Yes, the
offense needs tweaked, but they're keeping the defensive staff,
allowing Stewart to remain as head coach for another year ... they
knew about the change in mid-November. The only two guys absolutely
gone are the OC and line coach.
So, really, does the entire thing need to be overhauled? If yes, then
why allow Stewart to remain as HC for 16 more games (the three at the
end of this year, the bowl and the 12 next)? If no, then why overhaul
it with increased expenses and a new HC without ties to the area, the
university, a recruiting base or experience as a HC?
Jaybyrd
> On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:22:10 -0800 (PST), "J.C. Watts"
13-9 will end up being Wannstedt's legacy.
Antonio Veranos
[Thu, 16 Dec 2010 18:34:03 -0800 (PST)]
: > I'd like to see them win a NC for the first time in school history.
:
: 13-9 will end up being Wannstedt's legacy.
Kinda sad, if true.
--
Antonio Veranos
Jaybyrd
wrote:
> [Jaybyrd <jaybyrdb...@yahoo.com>]
> [Thu, 16 Dec 2010 18:34:03 -0800 (PST)]
>
> : > I'd like to see them win a NC for the first time in school history.
> :
> : 13-9 will end up being Wannstedt's legacy.
>
> Kinda sad, if true.
>
that's why you get fired. I mean for example if a coach brings a very
talented team forward and loses to a div 1aa school blowing chances
for a MNC wouldn't you fire him too?
J.C. Watts
wrote:
> On Dec 16, 3:07 pm, "J.C. Watts" <jens...@charter.net> wrote:
>
> > Then why did they dump him? Does Luck just not like the guy?
>
> There are some donors who have never liked the hire. The guy is 28-11
> or so in three years and WVU is one of 6 programs to win 9 games a
> year over the past 6 years. Sure, we lost some we should have won,
> but we did that with RR too. Big $$$ losses.
>
>
>
> > Eh...Brian Kelly has done just fine in the north.
>
> When was Cincinnati consider a national power?
Well, they went to two BCS bowl games and are in the same conference
as WVU.
I guess the thing that surprises me in this thread is the expectations
of WVU football. Are fans under the impression that it is going to be
any better than it was under RichRod? Because if those are your
expectations, my guess is you are going to spend most of your life
disappointed in your football team.
tom_sa...@yahoo.com
> I guess the thing that surprises me in this thread is the expectations
> of WVU football. Are fans under the impression that it is going to be
> any better than it was under RichRod? Because if those are your
> expectations, my guess is you are going to spend most of your life
> disappointed in your football team.
I'm actually quite happy (for the most part) with the football team
and liked Stewart at the helm. I thought the offense underperformed
this week, but for the most part given our revenue base, WVU did quite
well. There were 6 schools who have 9 wins over the each of the past
6 years ... that is a nice run.
I'm not necessarily under the belief that the entire program needed to
be overhauled, but I don't think that winning the BE once every two or
three years right now is out of the question, or that we cannot be
competitive in the BCS games. TCU does not change that opinion.
If anything, I think the risk of overhauling the program is higher
than simply tweaking it.
Kyle T. Jones
> On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 08:29:27 -0800 (PST), xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> Indeed that was a very spot-on forecast from him back in August 2008.
>>> I should also say, without reviewing the thread, I don't recall many,
>>> if any, disagreeing with him. :)
>> I was going to remark that keeping Stewart on as a lame duck for 2011
>> didn't seem very smrat, but then I remembered that Bill Dooley's lame
>> duck year at VT (which was also my senior year, GETOFFAMYLAWN) was his
>> best ever, and arguably the best year ever for VT football up until
>> that point. Obviously Beamer has since way surpassed him.
>
> and all but being nice all, or most, of the time is not what the kids
> respond to. Unfortunately, they need an asshole like Rodriguez to
> motivate them.
>
You guys were so darn BITTER over losing RichRod, I figured he was a
real steal.
Is there any kinda return policy in place?
Cheers.
Antonio Veranos
[Sun, 19 Dec 2010 10:00:39 -0500]
: WVU might need an entry level janitor, or just someone extra to pickup
: paper after home games.
Pride aside, WVU would take him back pretty damn quickly.
--
Antonio Veranos