Best center ever
John Peters
My list would be
Wilt
Russel
Kareem
Hakeem
David
Finner Christopher W
the rules of the game (to handicap Mikan, the key was created).
sha...@applewize.com
JH>Who do you think is the best center ever? I vote for Wilt.
JH>My list would be
JH>Wilt
JH>Russel
JH>Kareem
JH>Hakeem
JH>David
Wilt is a ball hog who doesn't know the meaning of the word team.
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Nikolai Gogol
>Who do you think is the best center ever? I vote for Wilt.
>My list would be
>Wilt
>Russel
>Kareem
>Hakeem
>David
John, Bill or whoever the hell you are:
What is your David Robinson fascination? What has DR won, other than a
highly dubious MVP award? How can you, with any semblance of a straight
face, say that DR is better than Moses Malone?
I'll operate under the assumption that you've completely forgotten last
season's playoffs (which is likely): Can you still say that DR is one of
the top 5 centers *ever*?
You ought to get out of the house more.
Trip
John Peters
>
>
>JH>Who do you think is the best center ever? I vote for Wilt.
>JH>My list would be
>JH>Wilt
>JH>Russel
>JH>Kareem
>JH>Hakeem
>JH>David
>
>Wilt is a ball hog who doesn't know the meaning of the word team.
>
Yeah, he's a ball hog. That's why on the day he scored 100 points, 1 other
person scored 30+, 2 others scored 20+, and the 5th starter scored 18. With
those other 4 people being mediocre players, Wilt must have set up awsome
plays and assists to actually get them to score double-digit points.
John Peters
>
>The person formerly known as John Peters said...
>
>>Wilt
>>Russel
>>Kareem
>>Hakeem
>>David
>
>John, Bill or whoever the hell you are:
>
>What is your David Robinson fascination? What has DR won, other than a
>highly dubious MVP award? How can you, with any semblance of a straight
>face, say that DR is better than Moses Malone?
>
>I'll operate under the assumption that you've completely forgotten last
>season's playoffs (which is likely): Can you still say that DR is one of
>the top 5 centers *ever*?
>
>You ought to get out of the house more.
>
>Trip
>
Okay, Moses malone and Parish should go above David. (It slipped my mind.)
But the real question is, Who do you think is the best?
John Peters
>
>What about George Mikan? Not too many players have caused a change in
>the rules of the game (to handicap Mikan, the key was created).
They put in at least 2 rules I can name off the top off my bead to handicap
Wilt. Made the lane wider (again, after Mikan, or was it before?) and also,
if a person without the ball gets fouled, anyone can take the shot.
John W. Leo
: The person formerly known as John Peters said...
: >Who do you think is the best center ever? I vote for Wilt.
: >My list would be
: >Wilt
: >Russel
: >Kareem
: >Hakeem
: >David
: John, Bill or whoever the hell you are:
: What is your David Robinson fascination? What has DR won, other than a
: highly dubious MVP award? How can you, with any semblance of a straight
: face, say that DR is better than Moses Malone?
: I'll operate under the assumption that you've completely forgotten last
: season's playoffs (which is likely): Can you still say that DR is one of
: the top 5 centers *ever*?
: You ought to get out of the house more.
: Trip
And you oughta wake up. DR is the best center in the league now period.
If you questioned both Hakeem and Dr I might agree but to say Hakeem is
better than DR is ignorance. Just cause the guy has his team around him
and beat the Spurs doesn't make him the better center. Has Hakeem ever
stepped up and scored 71 a game to beat O'Neal in the ppg column? And
the opponents were double teaming his ass too.
John W. Leo
: In article <7942-24...@applewize.com>, sha...@applewize.com says:
: >
: >
: >JH>Who do you think is the best center ever? I vote for Wilt.
: >JH>My list would be
: >JH>Wilt
: >JH>Russel
: >JH>Kareem
: >JH>Hakeem
: >JH>David
: >
: >Wilt is a ball hog who doesn't know the meaning of the word team.
: >
: Yeah, he's a ball hog. That's why on the day he scored 100 points, 1 other
: person scored 30+, 2 others scored 20+, and the 5th starter scored 18. With
: those other 4 people being mediocre players, Wilt must have set up awsome
: plays and assists to actually get them to score double-digit points.
Exactly. One year he wanted to become assist leader and did that.
Another he wanted to be rebounding leader and had 30 or so a game.
Michael Mahoney
David Robinson doesn't even compete with Hakeem. How can you possibly say
that he is BETTER?? I guess you missed this years playoff, huh? You missed
it when Hakeem lifted the rockets on his back and literally carried them
through the playoffs. The way Hakeem performed in the playoffs was absouluty
Brillant. I haven't see a performance like that in a long, long time. It
put him up right there with Michael, Magic, and Larry. Truely Amazing!!
Mike
mm2...@nyssa.swt.edu
YOU are the one who needs to wake up. Robinson is not EVEN CLOSE to Hakeem's
level. Hakeem is the most dominant player in the league. Robinson's 71 point
game came against the CLIPPERS on the last day of the season, with second and
third string players in the game. Half the time, they didn't even put a hand
in his face. That game was a total joke, and that's why you never hear anyone
(except ignorant San Antonio fans) mention it. I was a farce, and it cost Shaq
the scoring title he had earned legitimately. Robinson MIGHT be worthy of being
Hakeem's ballboy someday, but not right now. Robinson didn't just lose the
matchup, he got the shit kicked out of him. Everyone knows it. Every reporter
in the world (with the exception of the San Antonio media) realizes that Hakeem
is the absolute best center in the league, and, arguably, the best player in
the game. It's about time you woke from your Robinson nightmare and behold the
TRUE Dream!
The Red Marauder
David Crotty
>
>And you oughta wake up. DR is the best center in the league now period.
>If you questioned both Hakeem and Dr I might agree but to say Hakeem is
>better than DR is ignorance. Just cause the guy has his team around him
>and beat the Spurs doesn't make him the better center. Has Hakeem ever
>stepped up and scored 71 a game to beat O'Neal in the ppg column? And
>the opponents were double teaming his ass too.
>
Oh please, did you even see that game? It was a total joke. The rest
of the Spurs refused to shoot the ball, and the team they were playing
(was it the Clippers?) were out of the playoffs and didn't give a rat's
ass about the last game of the season, and didn't bother to stop him.
If you fed Shaq or Hakeem the ball every single trip against a bad,
disinterested team, I'd wager they could match DR's 71 points.
Now, let's think about how well Superstar DR did in a head to head
matchup against a center who was playing defense against him (Hakeem).
Answer: he got schooled. And not just soundly beaten, but embarassed
Hakeem made him look like a high school player going against a pro.
DR has no game with his back to the basket. He's very quick and athletic,
and his best moves come facing the basket off the dribble. Perhaps he'll
recognize this and stop trying to play with the likes of Hakeem in the
post.
dave
David Crotty
Yeah, he's a stinkin' selfish ball hog, just like that stinkin' selfish
ball hog on San Antonio, that guy who wanted to be the scoring champion
and wouldn't let anyone else on the team have the ball so he could
score 71 points to unfairly beat out Shaquille O'Neal.
dave
John W. Leo
: dave
I agree totally. It's fucking unfair of DR to beat O'Neal if he scores
more than O'Neal. Just like it's fucking unfair that the Rockets beat
the Magic because the Magic only scored a few points less in each game.
It should have been the Magic sweep over the Rockets. Why don't you
smell what you're shoveling? DR's teammates wanted to do this for DR. DR
didn't ask for the ball 80 times. And if I believe so, he shot over 53
percent in the game, so that's better than the team's performance would
have been had he shared the ball. Another thing. What team would like
to have the dubious distinction that someone layed down 71 on them? The
Clippers were doubling like crazy and tried their asses to stop him but
couldn't. And DR doesn't let little PG's like KJ dunk on him.
RpM-acct2/5
>David Crotty (dacr...@cco.caltech.edu) wrote:
>: In article <406vo8$j...@cmcl2.nyu.edu>, John W. Leo <jwl...@is.nyu.edu> wrote:
>: >John Peters (j...@rmii.com) wrote:
>: >: In article <7942-24...@applewize.com>, sha...@applewize.com says:
'cause he doesn't have the guts to try and block KJ in the first place.
Mr. Peabody
wrote:
> And you oughta wake up. DR is the best center in the league now period.
> If you questioned both Hakeem and Dr I might agree but to say Hakeem is
> better than DR is ignorance. Just cause the guy has his team around him
> and beat the Spurs doesn't make him the better center. Has Hakeem ever
> stepped up and scored 71 a game to beat O'Neal in the ppg column? And
> the opponents were double teaming his ass too.
What is it with all DR fans and David Robinson's 71 point game
against the Fuckin' Clippers? The Clippers, led by John Noname, Brad
Anonymous, Alvin Imnoone, Carl "silk panties" Bigloser and his sister
Kadeesha. I think any one of us could have put up big numbers that night
against what was truly a team ranked 5th in the
state.......................in HIGH SCHOOL BASKETBALL. Many players in
this league could score 71 in one night if they were given the ball and
forced to shoot from as far away as 2 feet against the Clippers. It only
becomes marginally challenging if you put that tub-o-goo Stanley Roberts
out there. Then you just have to take an extra few steps to get around
him...................or offer him a popsicle if he'll kindly move. And
believe me, Dave was going to the bench each time down to pick up a
Bomb-Pop from the trainer. Please think about it, no one in the league
wanted Shaq to win the scoring title, everyone on SA wanted Dave to score,
everyone on the Clippers wanted him to score (added incentive ---> they
figured that with 71 points against them, the Clippers might make it onto
the Sportscenter highlights). MJ scored 60+ points against an elite Boston
team that WAS TRYING. That's substantial. 71 against a lackluster
Clippers team with no center, no coach, no fans, no incentive and no
players with ability above the CBA level is nothing more than a remake of
the Grant Hill vs. Tommy So-n-so Sprite commercial.
Is DR a great center? Hell yes. Is Hakeem a great center? Hell yes. But
if you're gonna use that 71 point game as a measuring stick as to who's
better, you might want to step back and look at who has two championship
rings..............and both guys had great teams around them.
Mr. Peabody, PhD
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David Crotty
Ty Cobb and Nap Lajoie were tied in the batting race on the last day
of the season. The players on the team facing Lajoie so hated Cobb that
they arranged for their 3rd baseman to play way back on the outfield
grass when Lajoie was up. He bunted safely down the 3rd base line 5
or 6 times in the game, and won the batting title and the new car that
went with it. So what do you think, Shaq as the Cobb of the '90's?
dave
David Crotty
>
>
>I agree totally. It's fucking unfair of DR to beat O'Neal if he scores
>more than O'Neal. Just like it's fucking unfair that the Rockets beat
>the Magic because the Magic only scored a few points less in each game.
>It should have been the Magic sweep over the Rockets. Why don't you
>smell what you're shoveling? DR's teammates wanted to do this for DR. DR
>didn't ask for the ball 80 times. And if I believe so, he shot over 53
>percent in the game, so that's better than the team's performance would
>have been had he shared the ball. Another thing. What team would like
>to have the dubious distinction that someone layed down 71 on them? The
>Clippers were doubling like crazy and tried their asses to stop him but
>
Sigh. So much for sarcasm.
And the reason you see guys like Hakeem and Patrick getting dunked on is
that they have the stones to stand in there and challenge every shot instead
of getting out of the way.
dave
robert bonnette (bs math)
> Nikolai Gogol (MIKETR...@ins.infonet.net) wrote:
> : The person formerly known as John Peters said...
>
> : >Who do you think is the best center ever? I vote for Wilt.
> : >My list would be
> : >Wilt
> : >Russel
> : >Kareem
> : >Hakeem
> : >David
>
> : John, Bill or whoever the hell you are:
>
> : What is your David Robinson fascination? What has DR won, other than a
> : highly dubious MVP award? How can you, with any semblance of a straight
> : face, say that DR is better than Moses Malone?
>
> : I'll operate under the assumption that you've completely forgotten last
> : season's playoffs (which is likely): Can you still say that DR is one of
> : the top 5 centers *ever*?
>
> : You ought to get out of the house more.
>
> : Trip
>
> And you oughta wake up. DR is the best center in the league now period.
> If you questioned both Hakeem and Dr I might agree but to say Hakeem is
> better than DR is ignorance. Just cause the guy has his team around him
> and beat the Spurs doesn't make him the better center. Has Hakeem ever
> stepped up and scored 71 a game to beat O'Neal in the ppg column? And
> the opponents were double teaming his ass too.
>
>
>
I'm throwing my two cents worth in. Wilt, Bill, Kareem, Hakeem, Moses.
That's my top five. Patrick's not getting a ring doesn't help him, but
he's definitely in the top 10. DR needs to have 4 or 5 more seasons like
he's had up to this point, then he'll be in the top 10 ring or no ring.
The top five that I mentioned are more than just numbers, the got the
gold to back those numbers up. Dave and Pat have both been on the big
(or in Dave's case, the sorta big stage) Stage and have come up short.
Dave may get another chance, but Pat probably won't. Dave's 71 point
game was BS; his teammates passed up open layups to wait for him to get
down the court and give him the ball. Hakeem has consistently went out
and rang up 2 straight MVPs without being fed by the rest of the team.
He's better. Enough said.
Robert Bonnette
Rick
>And you oughta wake up. DR is the best center in the league now period.
to say Hakeem is better than DR is ignorance.
What an ASININE statement! Let's be totally unbiased for a second. Here's
the real facts: Almost every GM, coach, or player in the league would say the
same thing - that the elite top level group of centers last year were Hakeem,
Shaq, and Robinson. A few would put Ewing in that group as well. Some
basketball experts would consider Hakeem the best, some would say David's the
best, and some would say Shaq is the best. The fact is there is not a whole
lot of difference between the three, despite what the most avid hypesters
might say about his favorite center. It is, however, quite reasonable to make
a case for Hakeem being the best (not ignorance, as you so idiotically
suggest). I would venture to bet that if you polled all basketball "experts",
coaches, G.M.s, players, etc., the poll would end up about like this as to who
is the best center in the league: Hakeem 45%, Robinson 30%, Shaq 24%, and
Ewing/others 1%.
Now, if you would have made a statement that saying Vlade Divac is better that
DR is ignorance, I wouldn't have had much of a problem. It's just kind of
ironic that you use the word "ignorance" in such an ignorant context.
--------------------------------------------------
Rick Dodele
Email: c...@netropolis.net
Taishi Ci
: I would venture to bet that if you polled all basketball "experts",
: coaches, G.M.s, players, etc., the poll would end up about like this as to
: who is the best center in the league: Hakeem 45%, Robinson 30%, Shaq 24%,
: and Ewing/others 1%.
I love how one secret Spurs fan makes the most absurd statement about
Robinson, then another secret Spurs fan, pretending to be an unbiased
observer, corrects him and admits that Hakeem is a little better than
Robinson. Give me a break! Hakeem is the undoubtedly the greatest center
in the league right now, and I dare you to name anyone who can match his
moves or his agility.
: Now, if you would have made a statement that saying Vlade Divac is
: better that DR is ignorance, I wouldn't have had much of a problem.
I wouldn't be so sure of that; Divac is very good except for his defense.
--
What was my astonishment, what my delight, when I saw him use his fork [to
eat peas] like any other Christian! He did not administer the cold steel
once. Old times rushed back upon me--the remembrance of old services--his
rescuing me from the brigands--his gallant conduct in the affair with the
Countess Dei Spinachi--his lending me the 1700l. I almost burst into
tears with joy--my voice trembled with emotion. 'Frank, my boy!' I
exclaimed, 'Frank Marrowfat, my dear fellow!' a glass of wine!'
Blushing--deeply moved--almost as tremulous as myself, Frank answered,
'George, shall it be Hock or Madeira?' I could have hugged him to my heart
but for the presence of the company. [from the Book of Snobs by
Thackeray]
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prime. The only reason to exclude Walton is the shortness of his career.
Do you judge an artist by the heights he has achieved, or by his
longevity?--Cliff Lundberg
Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah
> David Crotty (dacr...@cco.caltech.edu) wrote:
> : In article <406vo8$j...@cmcl2.nyu.edu>, John W. Leo
<jwl...@is.nyu.edu> wrote:
> : >John Peters (j...@rmii.com) wrote:
Mr. PHstupid,
If you are able to clearly recall that game, Olajuwon was playing defense
from the weak side. Kenny lost his man (KJ), and he dunked it like the
all-star he is, period. Furthermore, Hakeem was in foul trouble in the
fourth quarter and he's not stupid enough to commit a clear foul. Hakeem
has pride, and that pride doens't come from not getting dunked on the
least--it comes from winning CHAMPIONSHIPS.
yeah, you said it:
> And DR doesn't let little PG's like KJ dunk on him.
By the way, I remember when an aging Sleepy Floyd (when he was a Rocket)
had a vicious dunked on David Robinson straight up in '90 (I have
videotape), but even I know that's irrelevant.
Get a life,
-the Conquering Lion
** the truth doth hurt **
Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah
: and Ewing/others 1%.
Shame on you. I'm not a Ewing fan, but I know this poll is b.s.
propaganda from some idiot Spurs-wish-they-had-Hakeem fanatic. Ewing is
well-respected in coaching and player's circles, and I know that more than
1% would vote for him. David could learn a lot from the tough-nosed play
of Ewing (compare Ewing series vs. David's in the past two years).
go make up some water-polo stats,
David Crotty
in the NCAA tournament?
dave
John W. Leo
: In article <406vmc$j...@cmcl2.NYU.EDU>, jwl...@is.nyu.edu (John W. Leo)
: wrote:
: > And you oughta wake up. DR is the best center in the league now period.
: > If you questioned both Hakeem and Dr I might agree but to say Hakeem is
: > better than DR is ignorance. Just cause the guy has his team around him
: > stepped up and scored 71 a game to beat O'Neal in the ppg column? And
: > the opponents were double teaming his ass too.
: What is it with all DR fans and David Robinson's 71 point game
: Mr. Peabody, PhD
Please. I don't give a fucking shit who has the championship rings.
Plenty of great players have never gotten rings such as Malone, Barkley,
and DR. If you're gonna use championship rings as a measuring stick than
you're as looney as a tune. How's about Chucky Brown getting a ring.
Does that make him a greater player than DR? In your case it obviously
does. And who else besides DR can really score on that team? Elliot?
Johnson? They might each get 10 apiece but that's it. Rodman's a machine
but can't score for shit. And neither can Willy Anderson. You're gonna
put that against Drexler?
John W. Leo
: In article <40b37g$o...@cmcl2.nyu.edu>, John W. Leo <jwl...@is.nyu.edu> wrote:
: >
: >
: >I agree totally. It's fucking unfair of DR to beat O'Neal if he scores
: >the Magic because the Magic only scored a few points less in each game.
: >It should have been the Magic sweep over the Rockets. Why don't you
: >smell what you're shoveling? DR's teammates wanted to do this for DR. DR
: >didn't ask for the ball 80 times. And if I believe so, he shot over 53
: >percent in the game, so that's better than the team's performance would
: >Clippers were doubling like crazy and tried their asses to stop him but
: >
: Sigh. So much for sarcasm.
: And the reason you see guys like Hakeem and Patrick getting dunked on is
: that they have the stones to stand in there and challenge every shot instead
: of getting out of the way.
: dave
If I remember correctly, DR leads Hakeem in the blocks column. Man, he's
blocked more shots than Hakeem will run away from.
Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah
> Please. I don't give a fucking shit who has the championship rings.
> Plenty of great players have never gotten rings such as Malone, Barkley,
> and DR.
What do these destined-for-the-hall players have in common??
I believe they all lost to Hakeem for some reason or another, hmmm. Since
I have much respect for the player you listed, then logically my greatest
respect goes to Hakeem--and to any other basketball fan.
-the Lion
mm2...@nyssa.swt.edu
IF (notice I said "if") Robinson leads Hakeem in blocks per game, it ain't by
much. Last year, Hakeem led Robinson in almost every category. The reason
Hakeem got dunked on was that it was the end of the game, the Rockets had a
comfortable lead, and he was in foul trouble. It isn't who wins the battles,
it's who wins the WARS that counts.
Be honest: How many times have you seen Hakeem RUN AWAY from any player in the
league? Answer: NEVER. He's got the entire package: quickness, agility,
court-vision, leaping ability. About the only thing you could complain about
with Hakeem is he's not really 7 ' tall. he's really about 6' 10 1/2", but he
can BLOCK seven-footers' shots. Sorry, but Hakeem is the BEST in the league.
The Red Marauder
Satish Nair
>
>Plenty of great players have never gotten rings such as Malone, Barkley,
Helllloo.... Philadelphia Sixers, 1983... Moses/Dr.J/Mo Cheeks/Toney..
anyone remember them? How about league MVP for consecutive years with
2 DIFFERENT teams?
As for Barkley being a "great" player.. see playoffs, 1994... see
playoffs, 1995.
satish nair
Dennis Domingo
: In article <40nuos$b...@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> jwl...@is.nyu.edu (John W. Leo) writes:
: >
: >Plenty of great players have never gotten rings such as Malone, Barkley,
: ^^^^^^
: Helllloo.... Philadelphia Sixers, 1983... Moses/Dr.J/Mo Cheeks/Toney..
: anyone remember them? How about league MVP for consecutive years with
: 2 DIFFERENT teams?
HELLLOO TO YOU..... he MEANT KARL MALONE not Moses
: As for Barkley being a "great" player.. see playoffs, 1994... see
: playoffs, 1995.
: satish nair
since Dr. J left the sixers well haven't been that great playoff
contenders.
i bet you want Shawn Bradley on this list...just kidding...he
totally sucks and he costs too much money....
dennis
David Crotty
Satish Nair <sat...@a.chem.upenn.edu> wrote:
>In article <40nuos$b...@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> jwl...@is.nyu.edu (John W. Leo) writes:
>>
>>Plenty of great players have never gotten rings such as Malone, Barkley,
> ^^^^^^
>
>Helllloo.... Philadelphia Sixers, 1983... Moses/Dr.J/Mo Cheeks/Toney..
>anyone remember them? How about league MVP for consecutive years with
>2 DIFFERENT teams?
>
I think they're referring to Karl Malone, not Moses "Fo Fo Fo" Malone.
Or perhaps someone is a big Jeff Malone fan...
And someone should correct me if I'm mistaken, but I seem to remember
Johnny Dawkins serving up a vicious reverse facial over the Admiral in
the 1986 NCAA Tournament. And Dawkins has been an average NBA player at
best, unlike The Desert Princess. Speaking of KJ, this is a Knicks group,
so if you want to talk about someone feeding Hakeem his lunch, let's all
try to remember Johnny Starks' left handed number that put Hakeem on his
ass this season. Thanks for your cooperation.
dave
george ninan
>
> If I remember correctly, DR leads Hakeem in the blocks column. Man, he's
> blocked more shots than Hakeem will run away from.
Stop polluting peole with wrong information. Hakeem has much better
blocks per game avg. then David. I can't even rember the last time when
David got more blocks in a season than Hakeem. Hakeem has been a much
better defender than robison.
Blackroz
Satish Nair
dom...@octel.com (Dennis Domingo) writes:
>Satish Nair (sat...@a.chem.upenn.edu) wrote:
>: In article <40nuos$b...@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> jwl...@is.nyu.edu (John W. Leo) writes:
>: >
>: >Plenty of great players have never gotten rings such as Malone, Barkley,
>: ^^^^^^
>
>: Helllloo.... Philadelphia Sixers, 1983... Moses/Dr.J/Mo Cheeks/Toney..
>: anyone remember them? How about league MVP for consecutive years with
>: 2 DIFFERENT teams?
>
>
Oops.. sorry. Moses always comes to my mind when I hear Malone.
>: As for Barkley being a "great" player.. see playoffs, 1994... see
>: playoffs, 1995.
>
>: satish nair
>
>since Dr. J left the sixers well haven't been that great playoff
>contenders.
Well blame that on management (trading away rights to Daugherty
for a bunch of stiffs, etc.). Barkley always went around saying
that the Sixers never surrounded him with any talent and that he
couldn't do it alone. With Phoenix, they gave him nearly everything
(except a top center) and he couldn't do it for them either. If
anything, seeing KJs performance against the Rockets in game 7, I'd
include *him* on this list before Barkley.
>
>i bet you want Shawn Bradley on this list...just kidding...he
>totally sucks and he costs too much money....
>
Well, everyone said this about Rik Smits early on too ... well, it
was worth a shot.
satish nair
Robert S. Misra
: And someone should correct me if I'm mistaken, but I seem to remember
: Johnny Dawkins serving up a vicious reverse facial over the Admiral in
: the 1986 NCAA Tournament. And Dawkins has been an average NBA player at
: best, unlike The Desert Princess.
Basically you're right, but IMHO Dawkins was really emerging as a
very good player until he had that big injury.
John W. Leo
: In article <40r0h3$l...@netnews.upenn.edu>,
: Satish Nair <sat...@a.chem.upenn.edu> wrote:
: >In article <40nuos$b...@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> jwl...@is.nyu.edu (John W. Leo) writes:
: >>
: >>Plenty of great players have never gotten rings such as Malone, Barkley,
: > ^^^^^^
: >
: >Helllloo.... Philadelphia Sixers, 1983... Moses/Dr.J/Mo Cheeks/Toney..
: >anyone remember them? How about league MVP for consecutive years with
: >2 DIFFERENT teams?
: I think they're referring to Karl Malone, not Moses "Fo Fo Fo" Malone.
: Or perhaps someone is a big Jeff Malone fan...
: And someone should correct me if I'm mistaken, but I seem to remember
: Johnny Dawkins serving up a vicious reverse facial over the Admiral in
: the 1986 NCAA Tournament. And Dawkins has been an average NBA player at
: best, unlike The Desert Princess. Speaking of KJ, this is a Knicks group,
: so if you want to talk about someone feeding Hakeem his lunch, let's all
: try to remember Johnny Starks' left handed number that put Hakeem on his
: ass this season. Thanks for your cooperation.
: dave
I am referring to K. Malone. And about Starks dunk. That was merely a
layup with his fingers on the rim (barely). There's the difference
between a dunk and a DUNK! KJ's was a DUNK. Stark's was a dunk. Unless
you want to talk about the DUNK against whole Bull backcourt in the
playoffs 2 years ago. About DR being dunked on by JD, every player in
the NBA has been dunked on (except for benchwarmers like Eric Anderson)
When you establish a reputation as a shotblocker people want to bring
your ass down. I give you Robert Pack vs. Bradley as an example. It's a
feat to dunk on a big man. It's only a matter of how often you get
dunked on. The two vicious dunks on Hakeem are very recent whereas you
guys have to dig deep down to find dirt on DR. Which means Robinson
doesn't get dunked on twenty times a season (viciously)
Also, the highlight reel for the first half of the season (shown
during all star game) and the second half (during playoffs) never showed
DR being dunked on but Hakeem, Bradley, and Ewing being done. I'm sure
you remember those jams.
John W. Leo
You're using the comparative form of an adjective wrong. Even if Hakeem
has blocked more shots than DR, it's in the single or low double digits.
From 1-20 more. This doesn't mean HAkeem is a MUCH BETTER defender.
Just slightly better. Or lucky as I would wager.
RM 8808
> >
>
>
>Yeah, he's a ball hog. That's why on the day he scored 100 points, 1
other
>person scored 30+, 2 others scored 20+, and the 5th starter scored 18.
With
>those other 4 people being mediocre players, Wilt must have set up awsome
>plays and assists to actually get them to score double-digit points.
>
>
I may be wrong, but I thought that I read somewhere that the score was 169
to something else, and it was a blowout. The stats given here dictate a
score of at least 188. Also, he also set the record for most points
scored in a quarter (31, I think) in that game (against our beloved
Knicks, believe it or not) in the fourth quarter, during a blowout. What
a stat-obsessed ballhog! It's already a blowout, and he has to continue
to play and score instead of sitting it out for garbage time. And I
thought Jordan had an ego problem.
David Crotty
>
>
>I am referring to K. Malone. And about Starks dunk. That was merely a
>layup with his fingers on the rim (barely). There's the difference
>between a dunk and a DUNK! KJ's was a DUNK. Stark's was a dunk. Unless
>you want to talk about the DUNK against whole Bull backcourt in the
>playoffs 2 years ago. About DR being dunked on by JD, every player in
>the NBA has been dunked on (except for benchwarmers like Eric Anderson)
>When you establish a reputation as a shotblocker people want to bring
>your ass down. I give you Robert Pack vs. Bradley as an example. It's a
>feat to dunk on a big man. It's only a matter of how often you get
>dunked on. The two vicious dunks on Hakeem are very recent whereas you
>guys have to dig deep down to find dirt on DR. Which means Robinson
>doesn't get dunked on twenty times a season (viciously)
> Also, the highlight reel for the first half of the season (shown
>during all star game) and the second half (during playoffs) never showed
>DR being dunked on but Hakeem, Bradley, and Ewing being done. I'm sure
>you remember those jams.
So by your argument, DR is not much of a defensive player since we
can't remember anyone dunking on him. Probably because he doesn't
challenge like Hakeem or Patrick do.
And enough about KJ. Take it over to the Suns group. All Knicks fans
truly hate that smug-self-righteious-hamstring-pulling-Doc-Rivers-cheap-
shotting-whining-on-every-call punk.
dave
Ku ZaHaR
Ahaem....where was Robinson's defense in the Rocket Spurs series where Hakeem kicked David's @ss personally for 3 40 pointer and 1 39 pointer night. Robinson wasnt having a party at the offensive end either. Playoffs, buddy, is the measure of a MAN and I mean MAN as in Hakeem not man as in Robinson.
Wager on thet sucker.
--
Ku ZaHaR
|> David Crotty (dacr...@cco.caltech.edu) wrote:
|> : In article <40r0h3$l...@netnews.upenn.edu>,
|> : Satish Nair <sat...@a.chem.upenn.edu> wrote:
|> : >In article <40nuos$b...@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> jwl...@is.nyu.edu (John W. Leo) writes:
|> : >>
|> : >>Plenty of great players have never gotten rings such as Malone, Barkley,
|> : > ^^^^^^
|> : >
|> : >Helllloo.... Philadelphia Sixers, 1983... Moses/Dr.J/Mo Cheeks/Toney..
|> : >anyone remember them? How about league MVP for consecutive years with
|> : >2 DIFFERENT teams?
|> : >
|>
|> : I think they're referring to Karl Malone, not Moses "Fo Fo Fo" Malone.
|> : Or perhaps someone is a big Jeff Malone fan...
|>
|> : And someone should correct me if I'm mistaken, but I seem to remember
|> : Johnny Dawkins serving up a vicious reverse facial over the Admiral in
|> : the 1986 NCAA Tournament. And Dawkins has been an average NBA player at
|> : best, unlike The Desert Princess. Speaking of KJ, this is a Knicks group,
|> : so if you want to talk about someone feeding Hakeem his lunch, let's all
|> : try to remember Johnny Starks' left handed number that put Hakeem on his
|> : ass this season. Thanks for your cooperation.
|>
|> : dave
|>
|>
|>
|> layup with his fingers on the rim (barely). There's the difference
|> between a dunk and a DUNK! KJ's was a DUNK. Stark's was a dunk. Unless
|> you want to talk about the DUNK against whole Bull backcourt in the
|> playoffs 2 years ago. About DR being dunked on by JD, every player in
|> the NBA has been dunked on (except for benchwarmers like Eric Anderson)
|> When you establish a reputation as a shotblocker people want to bring
|> your ass down. I give you Robert Pack vs. Bradley as an example. It's a
|> feat to dunk on a big man. It's only a matter of how often you get
|> dunked on. The two vicious dunks on Hakeem are very recent whereas you
|> guys have to dig deep down to find dirt on DR. Which means Robinson
|> doesn't get dunked on twenty times a season (viciously)
|> Also, the highlight reel for the first half of the season (shown
|> during all star game) and the second half (during playoffs) never showed
|> DR being dunked on but Hakeem, Bradley, and Ewing being done. I'm sure
|> you remember those jams.
|>
Yo dumbass, remeber Horry's VICIOUS DUNK on Robinson and Reid(while Reid pushing off Horry with both hands) in game 6 of this year playoffs. After that SLAP Robinson barely went for blocks much rather get any.
Oh by the way, in the same series Hakeem averaged 4.2 blocks per game while Robinson averaged 2 blocks per game. That's not exactly what I call a minor difference.
--
Jeffrey Burgoyne
Some of those games stats:
5 other players scored for Philly for a total of 69 points. No other
20 point scorers. Wilt attempted 63 of Phillies 11 attempts, making 36
of them. The rest of the team was 27 for 52. Wilt made 28 of 32 free
throws. The rest of the team was 15 of 20.
Wilt scored 23, 18, 28 and 31 points respectively through 4 quarters.
Wilt also had 25 boards.
Final score was 169 to 147.
Jeff
Tyrone Paige
Misra) writes:
>
>David Crotty (dacr...@cco.caltech.edu) wrote:
>
>: And someone should correct me if I'm mistaken, but I seem to
remember
>: Johnny Dawkins serving up a vicious reverse facial over the Admiral
in
>: the 1986 NCAA Tournament. And Dawkins has been an average NBA
player at
>: best, unlike The Desert Princess.
>
>
>very good player until he had that big injury.
>
Well if that's the case I rememebr Dr. J sering up a wicked slam in the
face of everyone's favorite...Bill Walton!!! And personally I think he
sucked!!!
tpaige
Rick
>> >Wilt is a ball hog who doesn't know the meaning of the word team.
>>
>>Yeah, he's a ball hog. That's why on the day he scored 100 points, 1
>other
>>person scored 30+, 2 others scored 20+, and the 5th starter scored 18.
>With
>>those other 4 people being mediocre players, Wilt must have set up awsome
>>plays and assists to actually get them to score double-digit points.
>I may be wrong, but I thought that I read somewhere that the score was 169
>to something else, and it was a blowout. The stats given here dictate a
>score of at least 188. Also, he also set the record for most points
>scored in a quarter (31, I think) in that game (against our beloved
>Knicks, believe it or not) in the fourth quarter, during a blowout. What
>a stat-obsessed ballhog! It's already a blowout, and he has to continue
>to play and score instead of sitting it out for garbage time. And I
>thought Jordan had an ego problem.
Pure idiocy. You can't use today's NBA game as a standard for the pro game of
33 years ago. All the stars were pretty much required to play almost 48
minutes of the game, because that's what the fans expected and demanded for
their money. Fans became very upset when star players sat on the bench in
those days, so the teams and coaches understandably obliged them.
Also the top post was factually WRONG. In the game that Wilt scored 100
points, Paul Arizin scored 16, Tom Meschery scored 16, Guy Rodgers scored 11,
Al Attles scored 17, and York Larese scored 9 points. If I had Wilt and those
5 players I would let Wilt take 60-70% of the shots. Any smart coach would.
Barrie P. Cope
>|> : Satish Nair <sat...@a.chem.upenn.edu> wrote:
>|> : >In article <40nuos$b...@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> jwl...@is.nyu.edu (John W. Leo)
writes:
>|> : >>
>|> : >>Plenty of great players have never gotten rings such as Malone,
Barkley,
>|> : > ^^^^^^
>|> : >
>|> : >Helllloo.... Philadelphia Sixers, 1983... Moses/Dr.J/Mo Cheeks/Toney..
>|> : >anyone remember them? How about league MVP for consecutive years with
>|> : >2 DIFFERENT teams?
>|> : >
>|>
>|> : I think they're referring to Karl Malone, not Moses "Fo Fo Fo" Malone.
>|> : Or perhaps someone is a big Jeff Malone fan...
>|>
>|> : Johnny Dawkins serving up a vicious reverse facial over the Admiral in
>|> : the 1986 NCAA Tournament. And Dawkins has been an average NBA player at
Robinson averaged 2 blocks per game. That's not exactly what I call a minor d
>
>
>
>You guys are all talking about DR and Hakeem when we all know that Bill
Wennington is the best center in the league (from the Chicago Bulls) The main
reason for this is probably because he is Canadian.