KG > Kobi ????
krej...@yahoo.com
made the point that while KG was individually better then Kobi
(slightly), the Laker starting 5 were far better then the Wolves firt
5. I was rather startled by this, but thought I would throw it out
there:
Straight up, do you think KG is better then Kobi? Who would you build
a team around?
BTW, hell ya in game 1, Shaq Fu going 9-11 from the line if damn
unbelievble. Malone=stud! Kobe--holding it in reserve til Sunday.
Miguel
Kobe, of course. He's a better go-to guy. He attacks the basket more
than KG does, and that's why he puts defenses in foul trouble. He also
has more of a killer instinct than KG has.
rc
Do you seriously not know how to spell KOBE's name? After seeing it all
over TV and in print for how many years now?
Chris Smith
krej...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Straight up, do you think KG is better then Kobi?
Not tonight. Of the two, only Kobe looked like he knew what he was doing
out there.
Haran Shivanan
> Before the game I was scanning thru NBA.com and one of their analysts
> made the point that while KG was individually better then Kobi
> (slightly), the Laker starting 5 were far better then the Wolves firt
> 5. I was rather startled by this, but thought I would throw it out
> there:
>
> Straight up, do you think KG is better then Kobi? Who would you build
> a team around?
men. That means taking KG over Kobe.
I think, straight up, Kobe is a better player than KG.
But if I were building a team around one of them, I'd reluctantly have to
go with KG.
Michael Fletcher
krej...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Before the game I was scanning thru NBA.com and one of their analysts
> made the point that while KG was individually better then Kobi
> (slightly), the Laker starting 5 were far better then the Wolves firt
> 5. I was rather startled by this, but thought I would throw it out
> there:
>
> Straight up, do you think KG is better then Kobi? Who would you build
> a team around?
Tonight Malone > KG.
--
MF
(-|8|-)
See L.A. for class
On March 21 in Los Angeles, former Celtics great (who broke the hearts
of many Lakers fans) Bill Russell had his picture on the scoreboard.
The fans gave him a long ovation.
The previous night, when it was announced that Shaq O'Neal scored his
20,000th point, the fans in Sacramento booed. Then, to make matters
worse, a the game ball was defaced, presumably by a Sacramento fan.
Clinton E. Parish
Sacramento
Rest in Peace, Francis Dayle "Chick" Hearn : 1916 - 2002
Terraholm
Building a team... KG of course.
Have two great players take the frontcourt player.
Besides unless you get Jackson with Kobe you do not know if the chemistry
and team leadership problems can be kept in check?
KG is just as versatile and more durable. KG has missed 3 games in the last
5 years and those were 1 a season, never more than 3 in a season.
Kobe has missed 49 games over that same period and missed 14 to 17 games 3
of those seasons and had two surgeries. Some of the games he did play this
season he should not have.
--
Laurel T
"Superstar- A player who hears what he
doesn't want to hear, sees what he doesn't
want to see, and does what he doesn't want to do"
-Unknown
Chris Smith
<mfle...@serverart.com> wrote:
>> Straight up, do you think KG is better then Kobi? Who would you build
>> a team around?
>
> Tonight Malone > KG.
I wonder why BBKing hasn't jumped into the KG > Kobe discussion after Gm1,
being that this is x-posted into the Pups group. He's usually very
opinionated about KG's superiority to Kobe. I guess that doesn't apply when
a 4O year-old has just punk'd the Veep.
Chris Smith
<terraholm_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Building a team... KG of course.
> Have two great players take the frontcourt player.
I dunno. The Blazers could use a superstar guard right about now.
Ikrushlots
>Date: 5/21/2004 11:13 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <4e41cb1.04052...@posting.google.com>
>
>Before the game I was scanning thru NBA.com and one of their analysts
>made the point that while KG was individually better then Kobi
>(slightly), the Laker starting 5 were far better then the Wolves firt
>5. I was rather startled by this, but thought I would throw it out
>there:
>
>Straight up, do you think KG is better then Kobi? Who would you build
>a team around?
KG.
>BTW, hell ya in game 1, Shaq Fu going 9-11 from the line if damn
>unbelievble. Malone=stud! Kobe--holding it in reserve til Sunday.
Kobe played the kind of game he should always play, within the offense and
getting the ball in to Shaq.
Miguel
Ikrushlots wrote:
> Kobe played the kind of game he should always play, within the offense and
> getting the ball in to Shaq.
Kobe played the kind of game he can afford to play when the other team
puts up little or no resistance to "Plan A" (O'Neal).
Ikrushlots
>Date: 5/21/2004 11:44 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <10atmm5...@corp.supernews.com>
Tonight was a perfect example of what KG goes through compared to what Bryant
does. The entire Wolves defense was geared at stopping Shaq. Meanwhile, KG
was doubled on almost every play.
agakhan
kobe was doubled as much as kg. besides a couple bad shots he was
pretty effective splitting the double team or finding the open man.
Michael Fletcher
Ikrushlots wrote:
>> Kobe, of course. He's a better go-to guy. He attacks the basket more
>>than KG does, and that's why he puts defenses in foul trouble. He also
>>has more of a killer instinct than KG has.
>
>
> Tonight was a perfect example of what KG goes through compared to what Bryant
> does. The entire Wolves defense was geared at stopping Shaq.
It was!? As a Laker fan I hope they gear their defense towards
"stopping" Shaq in every game.
levi
<Mick...@juno.com> wrote:
Yep, you said it. Plan A is O'Neal. Clearly, Shaq > Kobe
And Shaq teamed with KG would be far more dominating than the Shaq/Kobe
show - you wouldn't even need two more "Hall of Famers". Hell, *I*, verily,
even *you* could probably play point guard on a Shaq/KG team and win the NBA
4 times in a row before retiring. Hey ! Isn't there a scenario where Shaq
*could* say see ya later L.A. and go to Minnesota if he didn't care about the
money, weather, and media attention?
A far more interesting question than picking KG vs Kobe is whether you'd
choose Shaq or KG to build a team around next year. Do you go with the most
dominant player in the league, but beginning to decline, vs the young stud who
does everything and is entering his prime - and has no "issues"?
Terraholm
The problem is which player to build a team around. Not which would be the
better fill the needs on an existing team.
--
Laurel T
"There are really only two plays; Romeo and Juliet,
and put the darn ball in the basket."
- Abe Lemons
krej...@yahoo.com
> Do you seriously not know how to spell KOBE's name? After seeing it all
> over TV and in print for how many years now?
Get a grip, prissy, it is an inside joke. My wife has a thing for the
mascot from the Barcelona olympics and I did that to amuse her. I
have also been known to do similar things the Shack, Mal-own and Cream
Abool Jobber. If I really had troubles spelling KOBE, I could have
just looked at my kids jar of Nutella--or it is Newtella?
chuy
> has more of a killer instinct than KG has.
Can't think of any player ever who has more of a killer instinct than
Kobe. I'd say he wants to win as bad as the number one killer of all
time, MJ, ever did.
BBKing
> krej...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Before the game I was scanning thru NBA.com and one of their analysts
> > made the point that while KG was individually better then Kobi
> > (slightly), the Laker starting 5 were far better then the Wolves firt
> > 5. I was rather startled by this, but thought I would throw it out
> > there:
> >
> > Straight up, do you think KG is better then Kobi? Who would you build
> > a team around?
That's a new one. No one spells it "Kobi."
The answer to your question is quite simpler than people make it out
to be. If KG or kobo is the only good player on a team, that team
might make it to the playoffs as a #7 or #8 seed, but then would promptly
be eliminated. The question is more interesting if you get another
good player. If it's a point guard or shooting guard, you take KG.
If it's a PF or C, take kobo. If it's a SF, pick 'em.
Both are top 5 players, but both need other players to make it
anywhere. Unlike Shaq, who can make it to the finals with
"Penny" as your #2 guy.
>
> Tonight Malone > KG.
>
Yup, KG had a bad game. Not surprising, then, to see all these
baby trolls coming out.
-BB
Nate Burnett
"BBKing" <i_am_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a44bd487.0405...@posting.google.com...
> Michael Fletcher <mfle...@serverart.com> wrote in message
news:<40AF3EE2...@serverart.com>...
> > krej...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > Before the game I was scanning thru NBA.com and one of their analysts
> > > made the point that while KG was individually better then Kobi
> > > (slightly), the Laker starting 5 were far better then the Wolves firt
> > > 5. I was rather startled by this, but thought I would throw it out
> > > there:
> > >
> > > Straight up, do you think KG is better then Kobi? Who would you build
> > > a team around?
>
> That's a new one. No one spells it "Kobi."
> The answer to your question is quite simpler than people make it out
> to be. If KG or kobo
but everybody spells it "kobo" don't they
Miguel
Terraholm wrote:
>
> Miguel wrote:
>
>>krej...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>>Before the game I was scanning thru NBA.com and one of their analysts
>>>made the point that while KG was individually better then Kobi
>>>(slightly), the Laker starting 5 were far better then the Wolves firt
>>>5. I was rather startled by this, but thought I would throw it out
>>>there:
>>>
>>>Straight up, do you think KG is better then Kobi? Who would you
>>>build a team around?
>>>
>>>
>>>BTW, hell ya in game 1, Shaq Fu going 9-11 from the line if damn
>>>unbelievble. Malone=stud! Kobe--holding it in reserve til Sunday.
>>
>>Kobe, of course. He's a better go-to guy. He attacks the basket more
>>than KG does, and that's why he puts defenses in foul trouble. He
>>also has more of a killer instinct than KG has.
>
>
> Building a team... KG of course.
> Have two great players take the frontcourt player.
>
> Besides unless you get Jackson with Kobe you do not know if the chemistry
> and team leadership problems can be kept in check?
>
> KG is just as versatile and more durable. KG has missed 3 games in the last
> 5 years and those were 1 a season, never more than 3 in a season.
> Kobe has missed 49 games over that same period and missed 14 to 17 games 3
> of those seasons and had two surgeries. Some of the games he did play this
> season he should not have.
Allow me to elaborate. If KG weren't so "perimeter" with his offense,
avoiding contact and having less impact at the foul line, I would apply
the general rule of taking a big man. Or, KG + 30 pounds, but then he
wouldn't be the same KG.
Chris Smith
<terraholm_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Chris Smith wrote:
>> In article <10aurkj...@corp.supernews.com>, "Terraholm"
>> <terraholm_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Building a team... KG of course.
>>> Have two great players take the frontcourt player.
>>
>>
>> I dunno. The Blazers could use a superstar guard right about now.
>
> The problem is which player to build a team around. Not which would be the
> better fill the needs on an existing team.
I assumed that the Blazers are still building. That lineup you have has got
talent, but they're first round fodder next year, if that.
Chris Smith
i_am_...@yahoo.com (BBKing) wrote:
>> Tonight Malone > KG.
>>
> Yup, KG had a bad game. Not surprising, then, to see all these
> baby trolls coming out.
>
> -BB
KG had a bad game because of Malone. Don't conveniently leave that part
out, troll. Karl chopped down some timber...wolf.
Tiiiiimmmmmmbbbbeeeerrrrr!!!!
Sports Fan
krej...@yahoo.com wrote:
>Before the game I was scanning thru NBA.com and one of their analysts
>made the point that while KG was individually better then Kobi
>(slightly), the Laker starting 5 were far better then the Wolves firt
>5. I was rather startled by this, but thought I would throw it out
>there:
>
>Straight up, do you think KG is better then Kobi? Who would you build
>a team around?
I don't know if that comparison is even fair.
They don't play in the same position or have even the same playing
style.
But if you want to compare their impact of their teams, maybe.
Terraholm
I figure when I am building this team I would replace Flip...=)
Terraholm
Chris Smith wrote:
> In article <10auvsv...@corp.supernews.com>, "Terraholm"
> <terraholm_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Chris Smith wrote:
>>> In article <10aurkj...@corp.supernews.com>, "Terraholm"
>>> <terraholm_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Building a team... KG of course.
>>>> Have two great players take the frontcourt player.
>>>
>>>
>>> I dunno. The Blazers could use a superstar guard right about now.
>>
>> The problem is which player to build a team around. Not which would
>> be the better fill the needs on an existing team.
>
>
> I assumed that the Blazers are still building.
Sure. Still has nothing to do with the question at hand, who would we choose
to build a team around KG or Kobe....
>That lineup you have
> has got talent, but they're first round fodder next year, if that.
Perhaps. I doubt they are going to snag any of the current super stars.
Hard to tell how good they will be from a team together only for a few weeks
rebuilding around a 3rd year player that had his first year starting. They
were playing fairly well once they started to gel and the parts seem to fit
OK.
They certainly plan to move SAR for backcourt help. They need a shooting
guard that can shoot for one thing. They are going to try for Ray Allen who
has some problems with that coaching staff. Not sure if Nash can sweeten the
deal enough to convice Walker even though the Sonics certainly need
frontcourt help.
--
Laurel T
"A tough day at the office is even tougher
when your OFFICE contains spectator seating."
- Nik Posa
Terraholm
Magic, Bird, Russell....
Ikrushlots
>Date: 5/22/2004 8:48 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <leviDESPAM-22...@10.0.0.2>
>
>In article <10ato5o...@corp.supernews.com>, Miguel
><Mick...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>> Ikrushlots wrote:
>>
>> > Kobe played the kind of game he should always play, within the offense
>and
>> > getting the ball in to Shaq.
>>
>> Kobe played the kind of game he can afford to play when the other
>> team puts up little or no resistance to "Plan A" (O'Neal).
>
>Yep, you said it. Plan A is O'Neal. Clearly, Shaq > Kobe
>
>And Shaq teamed with KG would be far more dominating than the Shaq/Kobe
>show - you wouldn't even need two more "Hall of Famers".
Shaq's scoring would go up drastically playing with KG. KG is one of those
rare players that makes everyone around them better.
> Hell, *I*, verily,
>even *you* could probably play point guard
And maybe even D. Martin!
> on a Shaq/KG team and win the NBA
>4 times in a row before retiring. Hey ! Isn't there a scenario where Shaq
>*could* say see ya later L.A. and go to Minnesota if he didn't care about the
>
>money, weather, and media attention?
>
>A far more interesting question than picking KG vs Kobe is whether you'd
>choose Shaq or KG to build a team around next year. Do you go with the most
>dominant player in the league, but beginning to decline, vs the young stud
>who
>does everything and is entering his prime - and has no "issues"?
I'd have to go with Shaq, assuming he can play 4 more years at a high level.
Ikrushlots
>Date: 5/22/2004 1:12 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <10av607...@corp.supernews.com>
That's the one part of KG's game that frustrates me. When he does post up,
he's great. But he doesn't do it enough.
Ikrushlots
>Date: 5/22/2004 2:15 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <tcvta0d1idhf6htg3...@4ax.com>
LOL
Ikrushlots
>Date: 5/22/2004 7:32 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <40AF4870...@serverart.com>
>
>
>
>Ikrushlots wrote:
>
>>> Kobe, of course. He's a better go-to guy. He attacks the basket more
>>>than KG does, and that's why he puts defenses in foul trouble. He also
>>>has more of a killer instinct than KG has.
>>
>>
>> Tonight was a perfect example of what KG goes through compared to what
>Bryant
>> does. The entire Wolves defense was geared at stopping Shaq.
>
>It was!? As a Laker fan I hope they gear their defense towards
>"stopping" Shaq in every game.
If they don't, Shaq's going to have a 50 point game.
Dave Zero
Kobe > Kevin
--
Dave Zero
"And I don't care about making an ass out of myself because most people
already realize I am one." - Dr. Kary B. Mullis
"I criticize by creation" - Cicero
"I'm not here to make people happy. I prefer to piss people off." - Liam
Gallagher
BBKing
Welcome to the wolves group, Newbie. To answer your question,
yes, those who spell it jordon also spell it kobo. Perhaps
you might want to follow the group a while before posting.
-BB
BBKing
> In article <40AF3EE2...@serverart.com>, Michael Fletcher
>
>
> >> Straight up, do you think KG is better then Kobi? Who would you build
> >> a team around?
> >
>
> I wonder why BBKing hasn't jumped into the KG > Kobe discussion after Gm1,
> being that this is x-posted into the Pups group. He's usually very
> opinionated about KG's superiority to Kobe. I guess that doesn't apply when
> a 4O year-old has just punk'd the Veep.
It warms my heart to have my own FB. You must have missed my
reasonable and well written response to this thread.
Hey, where's my quote? It's missing from your sig.
-BB
Nate Burnett
this thread is cross-posted with asbnll, troll
> -BB
Miguel
With a blood-alcohol level of .18, levi wrote:
> In article <10ato5o...@corp.supernews.com>, Miguel
> <Mick...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Ikrushlots wrote:
>>
>> > Kobe played the kind of game he should always play, within the offense and
>> > getting the ball in to Shaq.
>>
>> Kobe played the kind of game he can afford to play when the other
>>team puts up little or no resistance to "Plan A" (O'Neal).
>
>
> Yep, you said it. Plan A is O'Neal. Clearly, Shaq > Kobe
Uh, no. But nice try.
See, basketball is a game which has developed certain theories and
rules-of-thumb throughout its century or so of existence. One of these
is that you exploit the inside with a big man first, with
high-percentage shots. This is true regardless of the fact that Magic
Johnson was a better player than Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, or that Larry Bird
was a better player than Robert Parrish or Kevin McHale. You always go
inside first.
Back when Shaquille O'Neal was usually healthy and motivated - as
opposed to now, where finding him in that state is the exception -
Shaquille O'Neal was indeed the best basketball player in the world, and
probably deserved two or three more MVP awards than he has been awarded
in his career. All-around skills be damned. To those who complained
that all he did was dunk, I said "so"? The fact that Nolan Ryan only
had one consistently reliable pitch didn't matter much, either, if
nobody can do anything about it.
In conclusion.... um, nope.
> And Shaq teamed with KG would be far more dominating than the Shaq/Kobe
> show - you wouldn't even need two more "Hall of Famers". Hell, *I*, verily,
> even *you* could probably play point guard on a Shaq/KG team and win the NBA
> 4 times in a row before retiring. Hey ! Isn't there a scenario where Shaq
> *could* say see ya later L.A. and go to Minnesota if he didn't care about the
> money, weather, and media attention?
Yep.
But Shaq and KG means no perimeter game to complement Shaq. Also, no
go-to guy. You know you can't give him the ball in certain situations,
don't you? Heck, the Lakers don't win either of their first two titles
without Bryant stepping up when O'Neal couldn't. KG at 28 just NOW grew
the 'nads to step up and play big. The Jury's still out, though, as to
whether he could ever be half as clutch as Bryant.
And most folks with a clue recognize that the greatest reason that the
Lakers didn't win four in a row was Shaq himself. Good luck keeping him
motivated and under 400lbs!
Meanwhile, that is never a problem with Kobe Bryant, true professional
that he is.
> A far more interesting question than picking KG vs Kobe is whether you'd
> choose Shaq or KG to build a team around next year. Do you go with the most
> dominant player in the league, but beginning to decline, vs the young stud who
> does everything and is entering his prime - and has no "issues"?
Good idea. If I were you, I'd milk that "issues" argument for all it's
worth. It might be the last time KB looks this unappealing as an answer
to this question.
Miguel
Ikrushlots wrote:
>>From: Miguel Mick...@juno.com
> Tonight was a perfect example of what KG goes through compared to what Bryant
> does. The entire Wolves defense was geared at stopping Shaq. Meanwhile, KG
> was doubled on almost every play.
You apparently haven't seen a defense when it truly is "entirely geared
to stopping Shaq". Or you wouldn't recognize it. Or you'd lie about it
if you did. I don't know which.
Heck, according to you, the defense rarely sent help against Bryant
last night, huh? That's rich. Yeah, rarely. Like, only when he
attempted to approach the lane?
You want some examples of Kobe having huge games with Shaq not playing?
Of course KG is going to be doubled aggressively. That's why the
Lakers are going to win this series. Because they can afford to double
KG off of scrubs like Hassell and Johnson, and the Wolves have to worry
about both O'Neal and Bryant.
Chris Smith
i_am_...@yahoo.com (BBKing) wrote:
>> I wonder why BBKing hasn't jumped into the KG > Kobe discussion after Gm1,
>> being that this is x-posted into the Pups group. He's usually very
>> opinionated about KG's superiority to Kobe. I guess that doesn't apply when
>> a 4O year-old has just punk'd the Veep.
>
> It warms my heart to have my own FB.
FB's don't garner response after response from their target.
>You must have missed my reasonable and well written response to this thread.
How could I have missed something that didn't yet exist? You didn't have a
post in this thread at the time I sent the post above. I'm starting to
think I'm not really the most hard-to-figure troll. For you, I'm sure a lot
of things are complex and hard to figure.
> Hey, where's my quote? It's missing from your sig.
>
> -BB
What, you want to look dumb again?
--
Chris Smith - Also not a real laker fan, he posts as a laker fan
because he finds it to be the most effective trolling. This guy
is the most complex and hard to figure out. He'll make good
solid arguments in one post, and then turn around and become
annoying, obnoxious, and weak in another. He likes to go after
the best posters in any newsgroup, as characterized by his
recent attacks on Matt. He thrives on responses, any responses.
* BBKing, Wolves fan, 4/19/O4
Chris Smith
Burnett" <diespa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > but everybody spells it "kobo" don't they
>>
>> Welcome to the wolves group, Newbie. To answer your question,
>> yes, those who spell it jordon also spell it kobo. Perhaps
>> you might want to follow the group a while before posting.
>>
>
> this thread is cross-posted with asbnll, troll
Lol. And BB sinks even lower into the tar... Bear with him, Nate. He's
not very observant.
krej...@yahoo.com
> krej...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Before the game I was scanning thru NBA.com and one of their analysts
> > made the point that while KG was individually better then Kobi
> > (slightly), the Laker starting 5 were far better then the Wolves firt
> > 5. I was rather startled by this, but thought I would throw it out
> > there:
> >
> > Straight up, do you think KG is better then Kobi? Who would you build
> > a team around?
>
>
> --
Damn, I had to look at the numbers twice before I believed it. KG led
only in turnovers! One game and Malone has earned his salary.
Alson Wong
news:10av607...@corp.supernews.com...
> Allow me to elaborate. If KG weren't so "perimeter" with his offense,
> avoiding contact and having less impact at the foul line, I would apply
> the general rule of taking a big man. Or, KG + 30 pounds, but then he
> wouldn't be the same KG.
This actually sounds a lot like Duncan.
Miguel
Alson Wong wrote:
Yep. Him I would take. But he's just a building block.
And he would play center!
Nate Burnett
Thx Chris...He was definitely grasping with that one
levi
ikrus...@aol.com (Ikrushlots) wrote:
Right, Ikrushlots. There's a *big* difference between showing help against
the screen roll and dribble penetration as compared to "double teams", at
least as the term is generally used.
levi
<terraholm_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I figure when I am building this team I would replace Flip...=)
Your team, your coach, your call. Which actually makes me think of an
interesting consideration - who's the coach? It might make a difference
on your selection.
Hmmmm....
levi
<Mick...@juno.com> wrote:
There are pleny of more than adequate guards and small fwds to hold down
the perimeter.
>
> And most folks with a clue recognize that the greatest reason that
> the Lakers didn't win four in a row was Shaq himself. Good luck keeping
> him motivated and under 400lbs!
>
> Meanwhile, that is never a problem with Kobe Bryant, true
> professional that he is.
Bzzt. The biggest problem with the Lakers is Kobe. Not a team player, in
any sense. Not a leader. Phil Jackson said it best:"Kobe wanted to be a
leader, but nobody wanted to follow him. And he wouldn't follow anyone
else."
And how did you apologise Kobe's "stand around" game?
Kobe, true professional? phhht.
Don Tiberone
news:leviDESPAM-23...@10.0.0.2...
> Bzzt. The biggest problem with the Lakers is Kobe. Not a team player, in
> any sense. Not a leader. Phil Jackson said it best:"Kobe wanted to be a
> leader, but nobody wanted to follow him. And he wouldn't follow anyone
> else."
Actually, he never said that. Not exactly anyways. He said something similar
when Kobe was much younger. Nobody is going to follow a teenager. That's not
the case in recent years when Phil made Kobe into a captain.
People that don't follow the Lakers closely have all kinds of misperceptions
about Kobe. It's like Van Gundy was saying. He didn't know what all the fuss
was about in regards to Kobe shooting too much.
> And how did you apologise Kobe's "stand around" game?
He never stood around for any game. He passed and got criticized for it.
And this isn't the first time he's been criticized for not shooting enough.
Basically, he gets criticized no matter what he does. Some people who know
Kobe, have said he's conflicted. He doesn't know what to do. He gets
criticized for shooting too much. Then when he tries passing, he gets
criticized for that too. There's been numerous times over the past few years
where he's been criticized for not shooting enough. Mychal Thompson
basically told him, just shoot the ball and don't worry about what people
say.
--
"The last duty of a central banker is to tell the public the truth."
- Alan Blinder, former Vice Chairman of the Federal Reserve
Terraholm
KG with his passing ability and team orientation would be a monster to deal
with in the triple post...
--
Laurel T
"In my prime I could have handled
Michael Jordan. Of course,
he would be only 12 years old."
Jerry Sloan
Nate Burnett
"Terraholm" <terraholm_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:10b28go...@corp.supernews.com...
>
>
> levi wrote:
> > In article <10avd4s...@corp.supernews.com>, "Terraholm"
> > <terraholm_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I figure when I am building this team I would replace Flip...=)
> >
> > Your team, your coach, your call. Which actually makes me think of
> > an interesting consideration - who's the coach? It might make a
> > difference on your selection.
> >
> > Hmmmm....
>
> KG with his passing ability and team orientation would be a monster to
deal
> with in the triple post...
>
Laurel I hope you don't know something the rest of us don't
Miguel
levi wrote:
OK, so now, with a team salary of Shaq dollars plus Garnett dollars,
you expect to also have "more than adequate" perimeter players???
It's no wonder you sound so gung ho and sure of the results. You
haven't really thought this out.
Maybe you can get Bob Cousy to come back and play for the veteran minimum.
>
>
>>
>> And most folks with a clue recognize that the greatest reason that
>>the Lakers didn't win four in a row was Shaq himself. Good luck keeping
>> him motivated and under 400lbs!
>>
>> Meanwhile, that is never a problem with Kobe Bryant, true
>>professional that he is.
>
>
> Bzzt. The biggest problem with the Lakers is Kobe. Not a team player, in
> any sense. Not a leader. Phil Jackson said it best:"Kobe wanted to be a
> leader, but nobody wanted to follow him. And he wouldn't follow anyone
> else."
Stick to the logarithms, man, because you're otherwise grossly
misinformed. Besides that quote being as old as the world and outdated
as a 4-digit phone number, anybody who says that Bryant is "not a team
player, in any sense" is obviously quite removed from the subject and
putting too much faith in the fickle opinions of hacks trying to sell
newspapers.
What's not "team" about coming to work every day, every year, always
motivated to win? What's not "team" about showing up for work despite
injury or ill health, or when personal issues would convince most people
to stay home? What's not "team" about working with teammates during off
season (elsewhere known as "company time") to help them improve their games?
> And how did you apologise Kobe's "stand around" game?
He didn't stand around. He drew double teams and passed to teammates.
Exactly what his coach told him to do. His coach corroborated this
fact. Who told you different?
Terraholm
Nate Burnett wrote:
> "Terraholm" <terraholm_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:10b28go...@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>>
>> levi wrote:
>>> In article <10avd4s...@corp.supernews.com>, "Terraholm"
>>> <terraholm_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I figure when I am building this team I would replace Flip...=)
>>>
>>> Your team, your coach, your call. Which actually makes me think of
>>> an interesting consideration - who's the coach? It might make a
>>> difference on your selection.
>>>
>>> Hmmmm....
>>
>> KG with his passing ability and team orientation would be a monster
>> to deal with in the triple post...
>>
>
> Laurel I hope you don't know something the rest of us don't
>
Purely going with the fantasy of this thread...=)
--
Laurel T
"I told him,'Son, what is it with you. Is it ignorance or apathy?'
He said, 'Coach, I don't know and I don't care."
Frank Layden
Ikrushlots
>Date: 5/23/2004 3:29 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <leviDESPAM-23...@10.0.0.2>
Levi, did you notice how many times both went with Kobe on the screen and roll,
and Kobe did *not* pass to the wide open "roller"? It happened twice with
Malone. Unbelievable. That's what I mean when I say he's not a good passer.
He passes when he needs to bail himself out.
levi
<DonTiber...@SKP.net> wrote:
> levi <leviD...@visiDESPAM.com> wrote in message
> news:leviDESPAM-23...@10.0.0.2...
>
> > Bzzt. The biggest problem with the Lakers is Kobe. Not a team player, in
> > any sense. Not a leader. Phil Jackson said it best:"Kobe wanted to be a
> > leader, but nobody wanted to follow him. And he wouldn't follow anyone
> > else."
>
> Actually, he never said that. Not exactly anyways.
Bzzzt. Sorry, take another zero. I excerpted directly from "More Than A Game",
by Phil Jackson, 2001. Page 189, to be exact. And it's apparently still true
today, although some accomodations have been made.
Flat out, Kobe is a head case and is damned lucky to be playing for Phil.
KG is a leader of men. Strong willed men. No contest, KG > KB.
> He said something similar
> when Kobe was much younger. Nobody is going to follow a teenager. That's not
> the case in recent years when Phil made Kobe into a captain.
>
> People that don't follow the Lakers closely have all kinds of misperceptions
> about Kobe. It's like Van Gundy was saying. He didn't know what all the fuss
> was about in regards to Kobe shooting too much.
I'd wager that I follow the Lakers closer than any of the Flakin' Flamer
crew follows the Timberwolves - but it's unproveable, so no bet.
> > And how did you apologise Kobe's "stand around" game?
>
> He never stood around for any game. He passed and got criticized for it.
And I recall remarking on his fierce defense during that game too. NOT.
>
> And this isn't the first time he's been criticized for not shooting enough.
> Basically, he gets criticized no matter what he does. Some people who know
> Kobe, have said he's conflicted. He doesn't know what to do. He gets
> criticized for shooting too much. Then when he tries passing, he gets
> criticized for that too. There's been numerous times over the past few years
> where he's been criticized for not shooting enough. Mychal Thompson
> basically told him, just shoot the ball and don't worry about what people
> say.
>
> --
> "The last duty of a central banker is to tell the public the truth."
>
> - Alan Blinder, former Vice Chairman of the Federal Reserve
Good thing I'm not a Central Banker.
Ikrushlots
>Date: 5/23/2004 3:35 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <leviDESPAM-23...@10.0.0.2>
>
I'll partake in this type of exercise in the offseason. You're jumping the gun
Levi.
levi
<Mick...@juno.com> wrote:
> levi wrote:
> >
> > There are pleny of more than adequate guards and small fwds to hold down
> > the perimeter.
>
> OK, so now, with a team salary of Shaq dollars plus Garnett dollars,
> you expect to also have "more than adequate" perimeter players???
Looks like it only takes $1 million or so to buy Hall of Famers who want to
win a championship. Or hey, there's this CBA refugee, Darrick Martin you
may have seen recently. Get real.
...
> >> And most folks with a clue recognize that the greatest reason that
> >>the Lakers didn't win four in a row was Shaq himself. Good luck keeping
> >> him motivated and under 400lbs!
> >>
> >> Meanwhile, that is never a problem with Kobe Bryant, true
> >>professional that he is.
> >
> >
> > Bzzt. The biggest problem with the Lakers is Kobe. Not a team player, in
> > any sense. Not a leader. Phil Jackson said it best:"Kobe wanted to be a
> > leader, but nobody wanted to follow him. And he wouldn't follow anyone
> > else."
>
> Stick to the logarithms, man, because you're otherwise grossly
> misinformed. Besides that quote being as old as the world and outdated
> as a 4-digit phone number, anybody who says that Bryant is "not a team
> player, in any sense" is obviously quite removed from the subject and
> putting too much faith in the fickle opinions of hacks trying to sell
> newspapers.
Or watches the games.
...
>
>
> > And how did you apologise Kobe's "stand around" game?
>
> He didn't stand around. He drew double teams and passed to.
> teammates Exactly what his coach told him to do. His coach corroborated
> this fact. Who told you different?
I watched the game. Then I heard those exhalted sports hack heroes whose
opinions you rely on as "fact". But sure, I'd love to see that quote from
Phil - I heard him mention "degree of difficulty" etc.
Ikrushlots
>Date: 5/23/2004 4:30 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <c8r54u$q...@dispatch.concentric.net>
>
>levi <leviD...@visiDESPAM.com> wrote in message
>news:leviDESPAM-23...@10.0.0.2...
>
>> Bzzt. The biggest problem with the Lakers is Kobe. Not a team player, in
>> any sense. Not a leader. Phil Jackson said it best:"Kobe wanted to be a
>> leader, but nobody wanted to follow him. And he wouldn't follow anyone
>> else."
>
>Actually, he never said that. Not exactly anyways. He said something similar
>when Kobe was much younger. Nobody is going to follow a teenager. That's not
>the case in recent years when Phil made Kobe into a captain.
>
>People that don't follow the Lakers closely have all kinds of misperceptions
>about Kobe.
He showed today why they are not misconceptions.
It's like Van Gundy was saying. He didn't know what all the fuss
>was about in regards to Kobe shooting too much.
You're talking about a guy who lets his point guard and shooting guard shoot to
the detriment of the team when he's got a stud inside.
>> And how did you apologise Kobe's "stand around" game?
>
>He never stood around for any game. He passed and got criticized for it.
LOL.
>And this isn't the first time he's been criticized for not shooting enough.
>Basically, he gets criticized no matter what he does. Some people who know
>Kobe, have said he's conflicted.
Who?
> He doesn't know what to do. He gets
>criticized for shooting too much. Then when he tries passing, he gets
>criticized for that too.
Here's a novel concept: How about doing what's best for the team rather than
worrying about critics.
>There's been numerous times over the past few years
>where he's been criticized for not shooting enough. Mychal Thompson
>basically told him, just shoot the ball and don't worry about what people
>say.
We had a year of Mychal Thompson as a broadcaster for the Wolves. Good guy,
full of energy as an announcer, but not great at analysis.
Don Tiberone
news:20040524001708...@mb-m13.aol.com...
> >Right, Ikrushlots. There's a *big* difference between showing help
against
> >the screen roll and dribble penetration as compared to "double teams", at
> >least as the term is generally used.
>
> Levi, did you notice how many times both went with Kobe on the screen and
roll,
> and Kobe did *not* pass to the wide open "roller"? It happened twice with
> Malone. Unbelievable. That's what I mean when I say he's not a good
passer.
> He passes when he needs to bail himself out.
Funny how you didn't mention when Kobe did pass to Malone on the roll, and
Malone was called for an offensive foul. Or the other times when the passes
were deflected.
Ikrushlots
>Date: 5/24/2004 12:17 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <c8s0gj$b...@dispatch.concentric.net>
>
>Ikrushlots <ikrus...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20040524001708...@mb-m13.aol.com...
>
>> >Right, Ikrushlots. There's a *big* difference between showing help
>against
>> >the screen roll and dribble penetration as compared to "double teams", at
>> >least as the term is generally used.
>>
>> Levi, did you notice how many times both went with Kobe on the screen and
>roll,
>> and Kobe did *not* pass to the wide open "roller"? It happened twice with
>> Malone. Unbelievable. That's what I mean when I say he's not a good
>passer.
>> He passes when he needs to bail himself out.
>
>Funny how you didn't mention when Kobe did pass to Malone on the roll, and
>Malone was called for an offensive foul. Or the other times when the passes
>were deflected.
Better to go 10-24 and have your two power players take 15 shots.
When a guy of Malone's ilk is *wide* open, and you've got two guys on you, you
pass him the ball.
Don Tiberone
news:leviDESPAM-23...@10.0.0.2...
> In article <c8r54u$q...@dispatch.concentric.net>, "Don Tiberone"
> <DonTiber...@SKP.net> wrote:
>
> > levi <leviD...@visiDESPAM.com> wrote in message
> > news:leviDESPAM-23...@10.0.0.2...
> >
> > > Bzzt. The biggest problem with the Lakers is Kobe. Not a team
player, in
> > > any sense. Not a leader. Phil Jackson said it best:"Kobe wanted to
be a
> > > leader, but nobody wanted to follow him. And he wouldn't follow
anyone
> > > else."
> >
> > Actually, he never said that. Not exactly anyways.
>
> Bzzzt. Sorry, take another zero. I excerpted directly from "More Than A
Game",
> by Phil Jackson, 2001. Page 189, to be exact. And it's apparently still
true
> today, although some accomodations have been made.
>
> Flat out, Kobe is a head case and is damned lucky to be playing for Phil.
> KG is a leader of men. Strong willed men. No contest, KG > KB.
LOL. Tell that to Payton who doesn't want to come back to the Lakers if Phil
is around.
People confuse Kobe's singlemindedness for selfishness. Like him or not, he
does what he feels is best to win the game.
And like it or not, Kobe is one reason why George and Medvedenko are better
players, as he took both these guys under his wing last season and helped
them with their games. And is doing the same with Rush this season. Gee what
a selfish guy.
Your quote is way outdated. How are some more up to date quotes from Phil.
"Kobe's become the floor leader of a basketball team that was kind of
looking for
that nature of a player, who could not only be a scorer, but also be a
playmaker or consistently make big plays at critical times. So it was very
important for Kobe to step into that role that he was envisioned at. I've
always held the bar up very high for Kobe, and he's not only reached that
bar, but he's jumping over the top of it right now."
"There are a lot of similarities," Jackson acknowledged thoughtfully.
"Michael was the same as Kobe as far as maturity. I think Kobe's a
better playmaker, the better outside shooter. But while Kobe's a
pretty good defensive player ... you know, Mike was the MVP and
Defensive Player of the Year. He was really something special on
defense."
"Different personalties," Jackson explained. "Michael was a dream to
coach because he wanted the same things. He got frustrated, but there
were things you didn't try to change. I didn't try to make him a point
guard or a playmaker. With Kobe, I wanted to mold him into something.
I really had to work, because he's as headstrong as they come. I was
surprised at what a loner he was. I didn't know if he could become a
good leader. So there were conflicts. But he's made big improvements
in that sense, and I think he has really enjoyed the fact that I have
let him loose more this year."
"One of the endearing things in my second year with the Lakers was
Kobe's ability to step out of his shell and become a team player and
become a captain," Phil Jackson, the Lakers' coach, said here Friday.
> > > And how did you apologise Kobe's "stand around" game?
> >
> > He never stood around for any game. He passed and got criticized for
it.
>
> And I recall remarking on his fierce defense during that game too. NOT.
Your opinion. Funny how someone can just stand around and still pick up 5
rebounds, 4 assists, and 2 steals and still taking more shots than anyone on
the team.
Funny how nobody ever mentioned how Jordan did the exact same thing in a
playoff game. Hell, he took less shots than Kobe took.
> >
> > And this isn't the first time he's been criticized for not shooting
enough.
> > Basically, he gets criticized no matter what he does. Some people who
know
> > Kobe, have said he's conflicted. He doesn't know what to do. He gets
> > criticized for shooting too much. Then when he tries passing, he gets
> > criticized for that too. There's been numerous times over the past few
years
> > where he's been criticized for not shooting enough. Mychal Thompson
> > basically told him, just shoot the ball and don't worry about what
people
> > say.
> >
> > --
> > "The last duty of a central banker is to tell the public the truth."
> >
> > - Alan Blinder, former Vice Chairman of the Federal Reserve
>
> Good thing I'm not a Central Banker.
Central Bankers rule the world, unfortunately.
levi
<DonTiber...@SKP.net> wrote:
> levi <leviD...@visiDESPAM.com> wrote in message
> news:leviDESPAM-23...@10.0.0.2...
> > In article <c8r54u$q...@dispatch.concentric.net>, "Don Tiberone"
> > <DonTiber...@SKP.net> wrote:
> >
> > > levi <leviD...@visiDESPAM.com> wrote in message
> > > news:leviDESPAM-23...@10.0.0.2...
> > >
> > > > Bzzt. The biggest problem with the Lakers is Kobe. Not a team
> player, in
> > > > any sense. Not a leader. Phil Jackson said it best:"Kobe wanted to
> be a
> > > > leader, but nobody wanted to follow him. And he wouldn't follow
> anyone
> > > > else."
> > >
> > > Actually, he never said that. Not exactly anyways.
> >
> > Bzzzt. Sorry, take another zero. I excerpted directly from "More Than A
> Game",
> > by Phil Jackson, 2001. Page 189, to be exact. And it's apparently still
> true
> > today, although some accomodations have been made.
> >
> > Flat out, Kobe is a head case and is damned lucky to be playing for Phil.
> > KG is a leader of men. Strong willed men. No contest, KG > KB.
>
> LOL. Tell that to Payton who doesn't want to come back to the Lakers if Phil
> is around.
I believe that GP's another bit of a head case. He's probably too set in his
ways to adjust to Phil, and perhaps vice versa. I'm convinced that what GP
thought he was promised and what Phil thought we has promising about how he
would be utilized in L.A. is a classic case of miscommunication.
What about the time Payton went after Flip in the parking lot? Heady, huh?
Strangely, I didn't see reports of it here at the time. There was talk of KG
trying to talk GP into coming to the Wolves, but clearly that wasn't going to
happen if Flip was here. (sure, bring up Sprewell, but the insiders including
Carlesimo all say he's great - and he's the biggest "peacemaker" for the
Wolves).
>
> People confuse Kobe's singlemindedness for selfishness. Like him or not, he
> does what he feels is best to win the game.
>
> And like it or not, Kobe is one reason why George and Medvedenko are better
> players, as he took both these guys under his wing last season and helped
> them with their games. And is doing the same with Rush this season. Gee what
> a selfish guy.
<grin> And Shaq must be selfish for taking Madsen to the auto dealership he
owned 20+ percent of. <end grin>
>
> Your quote is way outdated.
"Outdated" is not "never". Despite your mastery of the media, the zero
stands, your following (snipped) extra credit work notwithstanding.
> How are some more up to date quotes from Phil.
<snip>
Sure Kobe has been making improvements. But, alas, the leopard never really
changes his spots. In the leadership and maturity wrt basketball, he's still
no MJ, nor even KG. I don't mind if he does - it would be great - I'm just
saying he's not there now.
>
> > > > And how did you apologise Kobe's "stand around" game?
> > >
> > > He never stood around for any game. He passed and got criticized for
> > > it.
> >
> > And I recall remarking on his fierce defense during that game too. NOT.
>
> Your opinion. Funny how someone can just stand around and still pick up 5
> rebounds, 4 assists, and 2 steals and still taking more shots than anyone on
> the team.
Yes, it's my opinion. Maybe I can find a tape of it, it would be fun to
review in retrospect of all this discussion.
<snip>
But my central point remains the same: Shaq is (still) the best player on the
Lakers by virtually every objective, measurable criteria.
Miguel
levi wrote:
> I watched the game. I'd love to see that quote from
> Phil - I heard him mention "degree of difficulty" etc.
"I thought he was feeling the team out, which was good," Jackson said.
"I thought he was getting the ball to the right people, which was the
right thing to do early in the game. I thought he tried to push it a
little harder the start of the second period."
Miguel
levi wrote:
You're late to the conversation. Ikrushlots has in the past vehemently
refused to acknowledge that Bryant even sees "help" defense.
Perimeter players are seldom outright double-teamed anyway.
Miguel
levi wrote:
> Sure Kobe has been making improvements. But, alas, the leopard never really
> changes his spots. In the leadership and maturity wrt basketball, he's still
> no MJ, nor even KG. I don't mind if he does - it would be great - I'm just
> saying he's not there now.
Yeah, stick to your guns. It's not as if their coach would know
anything about Kobe and MJ.
> But my central point remains the same: Shaq is (still) the best player on the
> Lakers by virtually every objective, measurable criteria.
I guess free throw shooting (for one) can't be measured.
Miguel
Ikrushlots wrote:
>>From: "Don Tiberone" DonTiber...@SKP.net
>>Date: 5/23/2004 4:30 PM Central Standard Time
>>Message-id: <c8r54u$q...@dispatch.concentric.net>
>>
>>levi <leviD...@visiDESPAM.com> wrote in message
>>news:leviDESPAM-23...@10.0.0.2...
>>
>>
>>>Bzzt. The biggest problem with the Lakers is Kobe. Not a team player, in
>>>any sense. Not a leader. Phil Jackson said it best:"Kobe wanted to be a
>>>leader, but nobody wanted to follow him. And he wouldn't follow anyone
>>>else."
>>
>>Actually, he never said that. Not exactly anyways. He said something similar
>>when Kobe was much younger. Nobody is going to follow a teenager. That's not
>>the case in recent years when Phil made Kobe into a captain.
>>
>>People that don't follow the Lakers closely have all kinds of misperceptions
>>about Kobe.
>
>
> He showed today why they are not misconceptions.
This shows why your basketball IQ is in single digits. He was the only
Laker who brought any effort.
> It's like Van Gundy was saying. He didn't know what all the fuss
>
>>was about in regards to Kobe shooting too much.
>
>
> You're talking about a guy who lets his point guard and shooting guard shoot to
> the detriment of the team when he's got a stud inside.
By the way, have you come around to recognizing those double-teams Yao
faces?
Ikrushlots
>Date: 5/24/2004 2:26 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <10b4j3n...@corp.supernews.com>
Don't misrepresent what I've said. In the past *few days* I've stated that two
guys have stayed with Bryant on the pick and roll.
levi
<Mick...@juno.com> wrote:
And here's Phil on April 9th. Basically, the telling point is that Phil,
the ever oppressed diplomat, is still willing to say flat out that the
"Kobe Way" doesn't work.
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: Message 1 in threadFrom: s_knight8 (s_knigh...@hotmail.com)
: Subject: Kobe has lost his way
: View this article onlyNewsgroups: alt.sports.basketball.nba.la-lakers,
: rec.sport.basketball.pro, alt.sports.basketball.nba
: Date: 2004-04-09 07:52:09 PST
:
: http://www.pe.com/sports/lakers/notebooks/PE_Sports_Local_lakers_notebook_09
.a04a2.html
:
: EL SEGUNDO - They have begun to grumble some about Kobe Bryant's
: overassertiveness in the offense, his forcefulness when the team falls
: behind, his penchant for attacking a defense that's stacked against him with
: seven-footers waiting in the wings, and his need to constantly shoot the
: ball.
:
: "I don't want to point any fingers," Coach Phil Jackson said.
:
: Karl Malone added, "You say, 'Move the basketball.' That's not
: finger-pointing."
:
: On that they all agree.
:
: On the subject of how to let Bryant have his freedom and still keep him
: within the offense, the debate rages on.
:
: "Kobe knows probably better than anybody on this team how to make this
: whole thing operate in a correct way," Jackson said, and added, "There's
: some part of Kobe that enjoys the degree of difficulty, and that's fine.
: There's a lot of fans in the stands that want him to surmount insurmountable
: odds ...
:
: "It didn't work the last two games. He'll find his way back into that very
: easily because he's got the wherewithal to do it. The rest of the team just
: has to settle their heads into the fact of playing basketball and it'll
: work itself out."
:
: For many of the Lakers, working it out means starting the offense inside,
: where Shaquille O'Neal is stationed. Tonight against Memphis at Staples
: Center would be a good time to return to that practice.
:
: "Yeah, you want the offense to get back to" O'Neal, Malone said.
:
: In the past two losses, Bryant took 49 shots to O'Neal's 26, and he made
: only 28.5 percent of them, compared to 57.6 percent for O'Neal.
:
: However, O'Neal was awful at the free-throw line, making just 4 of 11 (36.3
: percent).
:
: "Penetration of the ball comes in many different ways," Rick Fox said.
: "Shaq is first on that list."
:
: Jackson isn't worried about Bryant finding his way back.
:
: "He has the capability of smoothing things out, there's no doubt," Jackson
: said.
:
: This is the only article in this thread
: ©2004 Google
Miguel
Hmmmmm..... What do you think this article says? I read his coach
expressing confidence that after a few games of being overassertive,
Bryant would make the adjustments and reel in his game, which he did.
When you can score as many ways as Jordan and Bryant can, you probably
don't recognize a bad shot until after you take it.
Ikrushlots
>Date: 5/24/2004 8:43 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <10b5965...@corp.supernews.com>
Bryant shoots too much and at the expense of the guy the offense is supposed to
go through. Of course he has the capability not to shoot too much, but lucky
for the Wolves he's just been too selfish of late.
Don Tiberone
> Bryant shoots too much and at the expense of the guy the offense is
supposed to
> go through. Of course he has the capability not to shoot too much, but
lucky
> for the Wolves he's just been too selfish of late.
Not lucky for Spurs fans though. LOL.
levi
wrote:
It says exactly what it says to anyone who's reading comprehension is
not distorted by the words "Kobe Bryant".
1) Phil plays it diplomatically:
a) "I don't wany to point fingers".
2) Phil thinks "Kobe's Way"(tm) is to not move the ball and to take/make
difficult shots - and that much of the crowd wants to see it.
a) "Karl Malone added, "You [Phil] say, 'Move the basketball'..."
b) "There's some part of Kobe that enjoys the degree of difficulty..."
c) "There's a lot of fans in the stands that want him to surmount
insurmountable odds."
3) Phil opined that "Kobe's Way"(tm) "...didn't work the last two games."
These were losses to San Antonio and Portland - adding to the degree of
difficulty in becoming PacDivChamps in the last weeks of the season, btw.
4) Phil expressed confidence in Kobe, but also appealed to his ego:
a) "Kobe knows probably better than anybody on this team how to make
this whole thing work"
b) "He'll find his way back into that very easily because he's got the
wherewithal to do it.
c) "He has the capability of smoothing things out, there's no doubt"
5) Phil told everybody else to quit their bitching and play ball:
a) "The rest of the team just has to settle their heads into the fact of
Miguel M
Typical Mini-fan ignorance. Bryant was the only Laker who showed up in
Game 2. If the Lakers had lost with Shaq scoring well and Bryant
passive, the word would be that Bryant was a no-show.
Miguel M
levi wrote:
Phil Jackson has never been one to worry about being diplomatic, even
regarding his own players. Why should he start now.
> 2) Phil thinks "Kobe's Way"(tm) is to not move the ball and to take/make
> difficult shots - and that much of the crowd wants to see it.
> b) "There's some part of Kobe that enjoys the degree of difficulty..."
"..... and that's fine."
Oh, to have a player that can make a difficult shot when you're
spending seven years trying to get out of the first round!
Phil's point is that "degree of difficulty" is not in and of itself
"bad basketball".
Phil makes no reference to "Kobe's Way", except to say that Kobe had
the wherewithall to find his way back into, presumably, better play.
> 3) Phil opined that "Kobe's Way"(tm) "...didn't work the last two games."
> These were losses to San Antonio and Portland - adding to the degree of
> difficulty in becoming PacDivChamps in the last weeks of the season, btw.
He made up for it, single-handedly, on the last day of the season.
Also, those losses to San Antonio and Portland were not because of Kobe
Bryant. Nowadays, on the occasions when Kobe Bryant has a bad game and
is forcing up unnecessary shots, it is after the team has already fallen
behind through collective bad play. When the Lakers have made their
major comebacks in the last few years, they have ALWAYS been spearheaded
by Bryant. So, at some point in every losing game, everybody on the
TEAM, let alone the arena, starts to look to him to start pressing the
issue. When he's on, it's magic. When he's not, it's not so pretty.
But it is a myth that he comes out of the locker room with the approach
that sinks the team. The team is almost always already sinking.
Just trying to keep you informed.
> 4) Phil expressed confidence in Kobe, but also appealed to his ego:
> a) "Kobe knows probably better than anybody on this team how to make
> this whole thing work"
> b) "He'll find his way back into that very easily because he's got the
> wherewithal to do it.
> c) "He has the capability of smoothing things out, there's no doubt"
Here's a case of you injecting your cynicism into the article and
altering its meaning. Phil expresses faith in Kobe (most observers
recognize it's for good reason) and you suggest it's Phil stroking
Kobe's ego. That's why you're so confused, and I see what you mean
about your reading comprehension being distorted by the words "Kobe Bryant".
After all, who is distorting things? The person who injects motive
into the coach's quotes, or the person who is taking the quotes at face
value?
MM
"Never explain--your friends do not need it and your enemies will not
believe you anyway." - Elbert Hubbard (1856 - 1915)
levi
<Poet...@iwon.com> wrote:
>
> "Never explain--your friends do not need it and your enemies will not
> believe you anyway." - Elbert Hubbard (1856 - 1915)
Yeah, Ikrushlots already covered that. But thanks.