Nuggets center says Garnett is low-class and gay
s_knight8
The blows keep getting lower in the Denver-Minnesota first-round NBA playoff
series.
A day after the Timberwolves' Kevin Garnett hit Nuggets center Francisco
Elson in the groin during Game 4 of the series Tuesday night, Elson took a
personal shot back at the Minnesota superstar.
"That's a cheap shot by a low-class type player," Elson said of the contact,
which took place in front of the Nuggets' bench late in the first quarter of
Minnesota's 84-82 victory, according to Elson and teammates. "You don't do
that. That's gay on his part. I told him that he was gay, too, for touching
me in my private parts."
Garnett could not be reached for comment about Elson's statement, but his
agent, Andy Miller, told the St. Paul Pioneer Press, "That's a ridiculous
comment. That shows his lack of maturity and how unprofessional he is by
saying something like that."
Michael Brewer, public policy director for the Gay Lesbian Bisexual
Transgender Community Center of Colorado, said comments such as Elson's
"harm children and adults who are gay."
"These kinds of comments are made every day in locker rooms and on
playgrounds all over the country," he said. "It is totally inappropriate
wherever it may be made, whether it's between two professional athletes or
kids on an elementary school playground."
Nuggets general manager Kiki Vandeweghe declined specific comment on Elson.
"I know emotions got high," he said. "Tensions have been really high. It's a
competitive series."
After Game 3 at the Pepsi Center on Saturday night, Marcus Camby of the
Nuggets and Latrell Sprewell and Oliver Miller of the Wolves were talking
outside Minnesota's team bus. When Elson walked by, Garnett came off the
bus, approached him and asked Elson several times, "You got words?"
No altercation ensued. Minnesota coach Flip Saunders grabbed Garnett and
pulled him back on the bus, according to several eyewitnesses.
When told Garnett had said he does not respect Elson, the rookie replied, "I
don't want his respect. I don't care about him anyway. Who's he? I don't
care about him. We're on the court, trying to win the game.
"There's going to be retaliation on our part trying to win this game. I'm
ready to go out there and play."
Other Nuggets continued to chirp Wednesday in a series that has seen its
share of on-court taunting and minor physical skirmishes.
Sprewell and Denver guard Jon Barry went jaw to jaw on the floor after Game
4. Asked what he said, Barry joked that he told Sprewell he enjoys watching
him play and called him a "striking individual."
While that was going on, Wolves guard Sam Cassell stood on the scorer's
table and held up three fingers on one hand and one on the other to remind
Denver fans of the series' score.
"I just think it was kind of funny that the No. 1 seed was acting like
they've won the championship," Barry said Wednesday.
Asked about the rising tension, Barry said, "I think the deeper you go in
the series, it's like training camp, where you practice with one another
every day. You're going to have some skirmishes. You get tired of doing the
same thing. Everything becomes old hat. It was fun. That's fun. That's good
stuff, jawing and getting physical.
"That's no problem, as long as it's not cheap shots like Kevin Garnett did
on Francisco."
Wolves center Ervin Johnson said any heat between the teams is temporary.
"I can't believe that when the game was over (the fans) were throwing
things. But the playoffs are win or go home. I'm glad no one got hurt."
But with the series still going, Elson was singing a different tune.
"They're a No. 1 seed and they're acting like little kids," he said. "So
it's personal right now, very personal on my part, too."
S. Smith
wrote:
>http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~90~2114899,00.html
>
>The blows keep getting lower in the Denver-Minnesota first-round NBA playoff
>series.
>
>A day after the Timberwolves' Kevin Garnett hit Nuggets center Francisco
>Elson in the groin during Game 4 of the series Tuesday night, Elson took a
>personal shot back at the Minnesota superstar.
>
>"That's a cheap shot by a low-class type player," Elson said of the contact,
>which took place in front of the Nuggets' bench late in the first quarter of
>Minnesota's 84-82 victory, according to Elson and teammates. "You don't do
>that. That's gay on his part. I told him that he was gay, too, for touching
>me in my private parts."
It's just the Nuggets acting like the wounded dogs that they are.
Why anyone would take them seriously at this point is beyond me.
One thing is certain, though...it will be a very entertaining game
tomorrow night.
Matt
> But with the series still going, Elson was singing a different tune.
>
> "They're a No. 1 seed and they're acting like little kids," he said.
This quote could be the very definition of irony. Could this kid
possibly be as stupid as he seems?
Matt
Charles Whitney
> "That's a cheap shot by a low-class type player," Elson said of the
contact,
> which took place in front of the Nuggets' bench late in the first quarter
of
> Minnesota's 84-82 victory, according to Elson and teammates. "You don't do
> that. That's gay on his part. I told him that he was gay, too, for
touching
> me in my private parts."
There is only one thing that must be done in response to this.
Oliver Miller must go into Game 5 without his jock.
C
Miguel
s_knight8 wrote:
> http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~90~2114899,00.html
>
> The blows keep getting lower in the Denver-Minnesota first-round NBA playoff
> series.
>
> A day after the Timberwolves' Kevin Garnett hit Nuggets center Francisco
> Elson in the groin during Game 4 of the series Tuesday night, Elson took a
> personal shot back at the Minnesota superstar.
>
> "That's a cheap shot by a low-class type player," Elson said of the contact,
> which took place in front of the Nuggets' bench late in the first quarter of
> Minnesota's 84-82 victory, according to Elson and teammates. "You don't do
> that. That's gay on his part. I told him that he was gay, too, for touching
> me in my private parts."
Not that there's anything wrong with that. Right, Francisco?
Pop quiz, Hot Shot. You've just offended a nation of angry, rabid
fairies and their associate PC Nazis. What do you do? What do you do?????
Apologize the hell out of this motherfucker, Francisco. Apologize the
hell out of this motherfucker!
> Michael Brewer, public policy director for the Gay Lesbian Bisexual
> Transgender Community Center of Colorado, said comments such as Elson's
> "harm children and adults who are gay."
>
> "These kinds of comments are made every day in locker rooms and on
> playgrounds all over the country," he said. "It is totally inappropriate
> wherever it may be made, whether it's between two professional athletes or
> kids on an elementary school playground."
>
> Nuggets general manager Kiki Vandeweghe declined specific comment on Elson.
>
> "I know emotions got high," he said. "Tensions have been really high. It's a
> competitive series."
Kiki, you'd better think about scheduling Homo Night next season just
to show your heart's in the right place.
> After Game 3 at the Pepsi Center on Saturday night, Marcus Camby of the
> Nuggets and Latrell Sprewell and Oliver Miller of the Wolves were talking
> outside Minnesota's team bus. When Elson walked by, Garnett came off the
> bus, approached him and asked Elson several times, "You got words?"
Hmmmmmm....... Was he trying to pick a fight?
Dan
s_knight8 <s_knigh...@hotmail.com> scribbled:
--
"if the women don't find you handsome, you haven't bought them enough
beer."
VicG
make myself root for Garnett, and this story is another reason why.
Something about him just bugs the hell out of me. I'd rather see Shaq/Kobe
or Duncan win than him.
"s_knight8" <s_knigh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Majaluk
they've never gotten out of the first round before. With the acquisition of
Spree and Cassell, they've become far more dominant, however, it seems their
maturity has gone to an all time low. With Spree in the bench's face after
the game, Cassell up on the scorer's table reminding the fans what the
series' score is, and Garnett calling out a rookie. What the hell is going
on?
They're lucky if they have any energy left for the next series.
"s_knight8" <s_knigh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Nexus
"Lamers bout 2 go Down" <D@w.n> wrote in message news:25l29053bogs8kfel...@news-server.satx.rr.com...
> On 29 Apr 2004 10:21:17 -0700, aces_...@hotmail.com (Matt) blurted:
> self-control. That's how little kids behave. You'd have to be stupid or a
> dishonest homer if you can't see that.
>
I guess the following quote is the epitomy of maturity (not like you would know):
Nexus
"Lamers bout 2 go Down" <D@w.n> wrote in message news:juo290dsfulehhd3p...@news-server.satx.rr.com...
> On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:23:49 -0400, "Nexus" <ne...@attglobal.net> blurted:
> weren't immature either. <rolleyes> Get a Brain! Morans
Honestly what are you 12 years old...13 maybe?
Red Schism
> http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~90~2114899,00.html
> When told Garnett had said he does not respect Elson, the rookie replied, "I
> don't want his respect. I don't care about him anyway. Who's he?
"Who's he?"... only the best basketball player in the NBA, after tim duncan.
Dan
in Europe his whole career.
"Red Schism" <reds...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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S. Smith
wrote:
And who is "they"? So far the only one using that lame moniker
of "Gay Kee" is this immature moron.
Gary Collard
>
> "That's a cheap shot by a low-class type player," Elson said of the contact,
> which took place in front of the Nuggets' bench late in the first quarter of
> Minnesota's 84-82 victory, according to Elson and teammates. "You don't do
> that. That's gay on his part. I told him that he was gay, too, for touching
> me in my private parts."
Wow, I thought the subject was classic SK shock value, but damned if it
isn't true.
--
Gary Collard
SABR-L Moderator
gmco...@yahoo.com
"May the God whom Pat Tillman meets treat him with respect and honor
for standing between my children and harm's way." -- Dick Adams
Gary Collard
Pretty much gotta be high school age, 12-13 is a bit young no? And doesn't
seem to be an adult either. Just your typical kid with his hormones
wreaking havoc.
PDX Blazers
> http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~90~2114899,00.html
>
> "That's a cheap shot by a low-class type player," Elson said of the contact,
> which took place in front of the Nuggets' bench late in the first quarter of
> Minnesota's 84-82 victory, according to Elson and teammates. "You don't do
> that. That's gay on his part. I told him that he was gay, too, for touching
> me in my private parts."
>
> Garnett could not be reached for comment about Elson's statement, but his
> agent, Andy Miller, told the St. Paul Pioneer Press, "That's a ridiculous
> comment. That shows his lack of maturity and how unprofessional he is by
> saying something like that."
Interesting that he doesn't say anything about Garnett actually doing
something like that.
> Michael Brewer, public policy director for the Gay Lesbian Bisexual
> Transgender Community Center of Colorado, said comments such as Elson's
> "harm children and adults who are gay."
>
> "These kinds of comments are made every day in locker rooms and on
> playgrounds all over the country," he said. "It is totally inappropriate
> wherever it may be made, whether it's between two professional athletes or
> kids on an elementary school playground."
Interesting that he doesn't comment on the conduct itself. I wonder if
it would be different if the crotch belonged to someone like Cheryl Miller,
Pam Oliver, or Dei Lynam.
Matt
> I know they've had a breakout season, but with this mentality, no wonder
> they've never gotten out of the first round before. With the acquisition of
> Spree and Cassell, they've become far more dominant, however, it seems their
> maturity has gone to an all time low. With Spree in the bench's face after
> the game, Cassell up on the scorer's table reminding the fans what the
> series' score is, and Garnett calling out a rookie. What the hell is going
> on?
Good lord. You'd think the Wolves were the instigators here.
Matt
how...@brazee.net
On 29-Apr-2004, S. Smith <scott...@visi.com> wrote:
> Flip has not lost control of anything. Sprewell is no punk.
Yeah, just choke one coach, and people think you're out-of-control.
Matt
> On 29-Apr-2004, S. Smith <scott...@visi.com> wrote:
>
> > Flip has not lost control of anything. Sprewell is no punk.
>
> Yeah, just choke one coach, and people think you're out-of-control.
Murderers get out of jail on good behavior in less time than has
passed since the incident with Spre. Yet the better part of a decade
of good behavior isn't enough to get him a hint of forgiveness to
those determined not to change their minds.
If you're saying that what Spre did the better part of a decade ago is
an indication that Flip has lost control of the team, then you are,
frankly, a moron.
Matt
how...@brazee.net
On 30-Apr-2004, aces_...@hotmail.com (Matt) wrote:
> > > Flip has not lost control of anything. Sprewell is no punk.
> >
> > Yeah, just choke one coach, and people think you're out-of-control.
>
> Murderers get out of jail on good behavior in less time than has
> passed since the incident with Spre. Yet the better part of a decade
> of good behavior isn't enough to get him a hint of forgiveness to
> those determined not to change their minds.
>
> If you're saying that what Spre did the better part of a decade ago is
> an indication that Flip has lost control of the team, then you are,
> frankly, a moron.
I said "people think". Do you disagree with my assessment of the public?
Granville Waiters' Ghost
aces_...@hotmail.com (Matt) wrote:
> Murderers get out of jail on good behavior in less time than has
> passed since the incident with Spre. Yet the better part of a decade
> of good behavior isn't enough to get him a hint of forgiveness to
> those determined not to change their minds.
I liked it best when he began waving his genitals in the
face of the man who signed his million-dollar checks for
the last four or five years in New York like he was an
extra on a lost episode of "That's My Momma!"
That good behavior?
Chris Smith
S. Smith, what makes KG a better player than Kobe in the last 5 minutes of a
game?
Matt, who is the best player on the Lakers right now if not Bryant?
Matt
On-court celebration is the worst you can come up with? You didn't
like that he celebrated? This is the terrible behavior of which he's
guilty?
Weak.
Matt
Matt
On-court celebration is the worst you can come up with? You didn't
how...@brazee.net
On 1-May-2004, "Chris Smith" <chris...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > When I think about a possible WC final against the Lakers (yeah, long
> > way to go, I know), I don't fear Kobe Bryant. I fear Shaq.
> >
> > Matt
>
> Bold statement considering Kobe avg'd 31.8 ppg, 7.2 rpg, and 4.7 apg in
> the
> Minnesota series last year. I bet Sprewell fears Kobe more than you do.
> Yes, Shaq also had monster numbers, but this year, it's more likely that
> Kobe better approximates his production from last year's Wolves' series.
Matchups. Shaquille can cut out half of Garnet's game.
Chris Smith
how...@brazee.net wrote:
> Matchups. Shaquille can cut out half of Garnet's game.
How's that?
Matt
> "s_knight8" <s_knigh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<c6r5a1
> > Garnett could not be reached for comment about Elson's statement, but his
> > agent, Andy Miller, told the St. Paul Pioneer Press, "That's a ridiculous
> > comment. That shows his lack of maturity and how unprofessional he is by
> > saying something like that."
>
> Interesting that he doesn't say anything about Garnett actually doing
> something like that.
Haven't seen any tape to show that it ever happened. There had to be
about 20 cameras at the game - you'd think one of them woulda caught
it.
Matt
agakhan
last night during halftime of the mavs/kings game on tnt, they showed
it over and over, and fat chuck had a ripping laugh over it.
oh, i guess you missed that, huh?
S. Smith
I saw it, and it looked unintentional...but it was funny. Even funnier
after hearing Elson's lame response about it. Even the TNT guys were
wondering if Elson was in fifth grade, because "it sounds like something
a fifth grader would say".
agakhan
wrote:
unintentional? how's that? kg and elson are just standing there facing
each other, no play going on. then kg just reaches out and smacks him
in the crotch. quite intentional.
elson's rant was decidedly fifth-grade, i'm not saying otherwise. but
then what does that make kg's crotch-jab? third-grade?
Matt
> last night during halftime of the mavs/kings game on tnt, they showed
> it over and over, and fat chuck had a ripping laugh over it.
>
> oh, i guess you missed that, huh?
That's what I just said, wasn't it?
Matt
agakhan
well not exactly. you were implying that it never happened.
PDX Blazers
> pdx_b...@sacbeemail.com (PDX Blazers) wrote in message news:<a5b8ff4f.04042...@posting.google.com>...
> >
> > something like that.
>
> Haven't seen any tape to show that it ever happened. There had to be
> about 20 cameras at the game - you'd think one of them woulda caught it.
They managed to catch it tonight when Rafer Alston gave David Wesley a
shot below the belt. But Garnett gets away with a lot, so even if the
officials saw it they might not have kicked him out.
S. Smith
Bullshit. I've watched it a few times now. It looked like KG was
swinging his arms out to start getting some distance between
himself and the defender, Elson was just unlucky enough to take
a shot to his junk. It happens in the NBA occasionally, and it's not
a big deal...it certainly didn't warrant Elson getting all bent out of
shape about it like he did.
Bring out the Brooms, Da Lamers is Goin Down
ROTFLMBO!!!!!!!! This is st00pitestest post I've seen in at least a year!!!
Well, apart from all chaka khan's posts.
>
Matt
I said pretty flat out that I hadn't seen it.
Matt
agakhan
this is what you said:
Haven't seen any tape to show that it ever happened. There had to be
about 20 cameras at the game - you'd think one of them woulda caught
it.
Matt
which means:
1) you said you hadn't seen it
2) you don't think "that it ever happened"
3) it didn't happen because there was no evidence
wrong.
agakhan
wrote:
>>
>>unintentional? how's that? kg and elson are just standing there facing
>>each other, no play going on. then kg just reaches out and smacks him
>>in the crotch. quite intentional.
>
>Bullshit. I've watched it a few times now. It looked like KG was
>swinging his arms out to start getting some distance between
>himself and the defender, Elson was just unlucky enough to take
>a shot to his junk. It happens in the NBA occasionally, and it's not
>a big deal...it certainly didn't warrant Elson getting all bent out of
>shape about it like he did.
>
ok, go on believing that.
S. Smith
Even if you had seen it, it was unintentional and not worthy
of all the hype it got.
agakhan
wrote:
how exactly can you make such a definite assertion as to whether it
was intentional or not?
S. Smith
I've watched the "incident" several times now (thanks to Tivo) and
nothing about it looked intentional to me.
How can you make the definite assertion that it was intentional?
agakhan
wrote:
i didn't make that assertion. you came in with "even if it happened it
was unintentional." so i am asking you to explain.
S. Smith
I didn't say "even if it happened", there's no dispute over whether
or not it happened...it did.
I'm saying that from what I've seen , nothing about it appeared
to be intentional on KG's part. It was just an unfortunate incident,
but that happens occasionally in the NBA. No big deal. The only
ones making a big deal about it are Elson and the anti-KG people
out there, IMO.
Dan Hanson
to make a pass at another player and try to cop a feel than in an NBA
playoff game!!!
You go on living in your little world of Gay fantasies!!!
As for the rest of us... On in the playoffs
Matt
No, it means I hadn't seen it and found that odd, which is exactly.
Never did I imply that because I hadn't seen it, that didn't mean it
happened. Items 2 and 3 on your list are meanings you attached, not
meanings that were stated.
Here's a revolutionary idea - take the words at face value.
Matt
Matt
> how exactly can you make such a definite assertion as to whether it
> was intentional or not?
Maybe the same way you made such a definite assertation as to what I
meant when I said I hadn't seen the tape.
Here's a serving of irony to go with your entree. You're getting on
Scott for guessing at someone's motivations when that's exactly what
you're doing in the very same thread.
Matt
Lamers bout 2 go Down
>On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:25:56 -0400, "Nexus" <ne...@attglobal.net>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>"Lamers bout 2 go Down" <D@w.n> wrote in message news:juo290dsfulehhd3p...@news-server.satx.rr.com...
>>> On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:23:49 -0400, "Nexus" <ne...@attglobal.net> blurted:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >"Lamers bout 2 go Down" <D@w.n> wrote in message news:25l29053bogs8kfel...@news-server.satx.rr.com...
>>> >> On 29 Apr 2004 10:21:17 -0700, aces_...@hotmail.com (Matt) blurted:
>>> >>
>>> >> >"s_knight8" <s_knigh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<c6r5a1
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> But with the series still going, Elson was singing a different tune.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> "They're a No. 1 seed and they're acting like little kids," he said.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >This quote could be the very definition of irony. Could this kid
>>> >> >possibly be as stupid as he seems?
>>> >>
>>> >> How is it ironic if it's true? The T-Mutts behaved without maturity and
>>> >> self-control. That's how little kids behave. You'd have to be stupid or a
>>> >> dishonest homer if you can't see that.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >I guess the following quote is the epitomy of maturity (not like you would know):
>>> >"You don't do that. That's gay on his part. I told him that he was gay, too, for touching me in my private parts."
>>> >
>>>
>>> Well they don't call him Gay Kee for nothing. And I never said the Nuggz
>>> weren't immature either. <rolleyes> Get a Brain! Morans
>>
>>Honestly what are you 12 years old...13 maybe?
>
>And who is "they"? So far the only one using that lame moniker
>of "Gay Kee" is this immature moron.
The only immaturity shown in this topic so far is from angry Timbermutts fans.
Instead of being honest and acknowledging their canine team's immaturity, they
resort to personal insults against anyone who would call their team out for
their 5th grade behaviour. Posting in a T-Mutts forum enters ewe into
Homerville.
agakhan
wrote:
>On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:15:51 -0700, agakhan <aga...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On 29 Apr 2004 19:35:41 -0700, aces_...@hotmail.com (Matt) wrote:
>>
>>>"Majaluk" <maj...@email.com> wrote in message news:<Lgckc.12553$6L3.9913@fed1read05>...
>>>> I know they've had a breakout season, but with this mentality, no wonder
>>>> they've never gotten out of the first round before. With the acquisition of
>>>> Spree and Cassell, they've become far more dominant, however, it seems their
>>>> maturity has gone to an all time low. With Spree in the bench's face after
>>>> the game, Cassell up on the scorer's table reminding the fans what the
>>>> series' score is, and Garnett calling out a rookie. What the hell is going
>>>> on?
>>>
>>>Good lord. You'd think the Wolves were the instigators here.
>>>
>>i think you guys here are missing the point.
>>
>> instigators? we're talking about the friggin' nuggets here.
>>instigators or not, that is flat out no way for the #1 team in the #1
>>conference led by supposedly the best player in the game to behave.
>>
>> spree's a filthy punk, i would expect it from him, but not sam, not
>>to mention flip seems to have lost control of his team. and kg gettin'
>>into it with some 4th rate bench warmer is frankly pathetic. i mean
>>shit, this is just the first round with a vastly inferior opponent.
>>
>>if i was a wolves fan i'd be feelin' more than a little disturbed by
>>this.
>
>What a crock of shit. The Nuggets dished it out with all of their
>trash talking, they should be able to take it when the superior
>teams dishes it right back at them.
>
>Flip has not lost control of anything. Sprewell is no punk. Sam
>was celebrating a playoff win, he can jump around all he wants.
>Elson was acting like an asshole and KG just treated him
>accordingly.
>
>The Wolves, and their fans, have nothing to be disturbed about.
>
>
ok, then, if you say so. seeing how your team has enjoyed such great
success in the past, perhaps you would know. i guess you and your team
deserve each other. sorry. carry on.
The Enigmatic One
> Kiki, you'd better think about scheduling Homo Night next season just
>to show your heart's in the right place.
Don't suppose we could hope that you'll be horribly maimed in a freak paper
shredder accident instead, could we?
-Tim
S. Smith
We will carry on, the Nuggets won't.
I know Sacramento has a lot more class than the Nuggets, so
I'm already looking forward to that next round and an opponent
that won't resort to the lame head games that the Nuggets did.
Araxen
And should be lucky he isn't playing with Kemp in the USBL too.
Dan wrote:
> Well, how's he supposed to know who any NBA players are? He's had to play
> in Europe his whole career.
>
> "Red Schism" <reds...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:ee598ccf.04042...@posting.google.com...
>
>>"s_knight8" <s_knigh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:<c6r5a1$q...@dispatch.concentric.net>...
>
>>>http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~90~2114899,00.html
>>
>>>When told Garnett had said he does not respect Elson, the rookie
>
> replied, "I
>
>>>don't want his respect. I don't care about him anyway. Who's he?
>>
>>"Who's he?"... only the best basketball player in the NBA, after tim
>
> duncan.
>
>
Miguel
The Enigmatic One wrote:
You don't like the Homo Night idea, I take it? C'mon, man. I'm not
judging you.
Miguel
Red Schism wrote:
> "s_knight8" <s_knigh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<c6r5a1$q...@dispatch.concentric.net>...
>
>>http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~90~2114899,00.html
>
>
>
>>When told Garnett had said he does not respect Elson, the rookie replied, "I
>>don't want his respect. I don't care about him anyway. Who's he?
>
>
> "Who's he?"... only the best basketball player in the NBA, after tim duncan.
http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=5164
Jay (Burke, VA): The Best Player In The NBA has to be either KOBE or
KG. They were the only players to make both FIRST TEAM All-NBA & All D.
Your Thoughts?
Dr. Jack Ramsay: I rate them best all-round players with TD a half-step
behind...
S. Smith
>Red Schism wrote:
>
>> "s_knight8" <s_knigh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<c6r5a1$q...@dispatch.concentric.net>...
>>
>>>http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~90~2114899,00.html
>>
>>
>>>When told Garnett had said he does not respect Elson, the rookie replied, "I
>>>don't want his respect. I don't care about him anyway. Who's he?
>>
>>
>> "Who's he?"... only the best basketball player in the NBA, after tim duncan.
>
> http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=5164
>
> Jay (Burke, VA): The Best Player In The NBA has to be either KOBE or
>KG. They were the only players to make both FIRST TEAM All-NBA & All D.
>Your Thoughts?
More of the misguided Kobe hype machine. Thanks.
Chris Smith
<scott...@visi.com> wrote:
>> Jay (Burke, VA): The Best Player In The NBA has to be either KOBE or
>>KG. They were the only players to make both FIRST TEAM All-NBA & All D.
>>Your Thoughts?
>
> More of the misguided Kobe hype machine. Thanks.
Which is the best player between the two in the last 5 minutes of a game?
S. Smith
KG.
Matt
> if i was a wolves fan i'd be feelin' more than a little disturbed by
> this.
If you were a Wolves fan, you'd be damned glad to see the team so
emotionally invested. This is the sort of team that may play better
when they've got a chip on their shoulder.
Matt
agakhan
against the friggin' nuggets? actually, i'd be pretty worried that
their emotions may be spent by the time it really mattered.
agakhan
wrote:
>On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:55:20 GMT, "Chris Smith" <chris...@earthlink.net> wrote:
you mean the same kg who needed two more almost-allstars on his team
just to make it out of the first round?
S. Smith
Are we talking about the same Kobe who can't carry the Lakers
without Shaq, Malone and Payton around him?
agakhan
wrote:
>On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:04:07 -0700, agakhan <aga...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:31:44 -0500, S. Smith <scott...@visi.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:55:20 GMT, "Chris Smith" <chris...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <8tm490ha2olsbukr3...@4ax.com>, S. Smith
>>>><scott...@visi.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Jay (Burke, VA): The Best Player In The NBA has to be either KOBE or
>>>>>>KG. They were the only players to make both FIRST TEAM All-NBA & All D.
>>>>>>Your Thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> More of the misguided Kobe hype machine. Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>Which is the best player between the two in the last 5 minutes of a game?
>>>
>>>KG.
>>>
>> you mean the same kg who needed two more almost-allstars on his team
>>just to make it out of the first round?
>
>Are we talking about the same Kobe who can't carry the Lakers
>without Shaq, Malone and Payton around him?
>
yeah, the same kobe that won three championships with shaq while kg
kept getting knocked out of the first round over and over again.
Chris Smith
<scott...@visi.com> wrote:
>>> More of the misguided Kobe hype machine. Thanks.
>>
>>Which is the best player between the two in the last 5 minutes of a game?
>
> KG.
What makes KG a better player than Kobe in the last 5 minutes of a game?
Lamers bout 2 go Down
>yeah, the same kobe that won three championships* with shaq while kg
>kept getting knocked out of the first round over and over again.
Fixed now
Matt
Best player in the NBA is either Duncan or Garnett. Bryant isn't even
the best player on his own team.
Matt
Chris Smith
aces_...@hotmail.com (Matt) wrote:
> Best player in the NBA is either Duncan or Garnett. Bryant isn't even
> the best player on his own team.
>
> Matt
Who is the best player on the Lakers right now if not Bryant?
Granville Waiters' Ghost
<garyc...@netscape.net> wrote:
> Wow, I thought the subject was classic SK shock value, but damned if it
> isn't true.
I'm still not convinced this isn't a parody. The comment from
the head of the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgendered Coalition
on whether or not a man who hits another man in the nuts is gay
or could be gay, or if it is indicative of gay, lesbian, bisexual
or trangendered behavior, and if it is, if we should say that it
is without hurting the feelings of the gay, lesbian, bisexual or
trangendered children (I really wish Francisco Eldorado or whatever
his name is would have thought about the CHILDREN)... was just too much.
Fred
"Granville Waiters' Ghost" <x@x.x> wrote in message
news:x-3004042...@user-38lcoft.dialup.mindspring.com...
> In article <409184F6...@netscape.net>, Gary Collard
> <garyc...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> > Wow, I thought the subject was classic SK shock value, but damned if it
> > isn't true.
>
>
Granville Waiters' Ghost
<scott...@visi.com> wrote:
> What a crock of shit. The Nuggets dished it out with all of their
> trash talking, they should be able to take it when the superior
> teams dishes it right back at them.
This reminds me of my favorite all-time Alonzo Mourning moment.
I think it was during the sixth title run, the Bulls (probably
on one of Phil Jackson's mindtrips) psyched themselves out by
refusing to shake the Heat players' hands before the game.
Bulls won, Heat were eliminated.
After the game, Zo was asked about what the lack of a pre-game
handshake meant. He smiled smugly and tapped his temple and said
proudly, "It means we got in der minds!" And I'm sure that was
great consolation while watching the conference finals on TV.
If you've got guys dancing on tables after a first round,
non-elimination win against the eighth seeded team, its over
in the second round.
> Sprewell is no punk.
No, seriously... what's the punchline?
Matt
When I think about a possible WC final against the Lakers (yeah, long
way to go, I know), I don't fear Kobe Bryant. I fear Shaq.
Matt
Chris Smith
>> Who is the best player on the Lakers right now if not Bryant?
>
> When I think about a possible WC final against the Lakers (yeah, long
> way to go, I know), I don't fear Kobe Bryant. I fear Shaq.
>
> Matt
Bold statement considering Kobe avg'd 31.8 ppg, 7.2 rpg, and 4.7 apg in the
Minnesota series last year. I bet Sprewell fears Kobe more than you do.
Yes, Shaq also had monster numbers, but this year, it's more likely that
Kobe better approximates his production from last year's Wolves' series.
Miguel
Matt wrote:
> Miguel <Mick...@juno.com> wrote in message news:<1094clm...@corp.supernews.com>...
>
>
> Best player in the NBA is either Duncan or Garnett. Bryant isn't even
> the best player on his own team.
You'll have to take my word for it that I was honestly going to let you
have the last word with almost any statement you made, since, although
all I did was post a quote from ESPN's Jack Ramsey, it was nonetheless
very "trollish" of me.
However, your statement above is more than a little bit foolish.
Denial, maybe? Maybe just misinformed.
A couple of years ago, despite what anybody else in the Wolves'
newsgroup may say, I would not have denied that the #1 guy on the Lakers
is Shaquille O'Neal. His dominance was plainly obvious.
You must still be going by those performances of yesteryear, because
O'Neal is not that dominant player anymore. Bryant is the best player
on his own team, and it isn't even close.
Must be nice to live in a smaller city, so that whenever the rest of
the world says something you disagree with, you can dismiss it to hype.
It's the perfect rationalization, really, since the more the rest of
the world says Bryant is the Lakers' best player or the league's best
player or ONE OF the league's best two or three players, the more you
can just dismiss it as "hype".
Must be nice to live with blinders on.
Miguel
Matt wrote:
>
> When I think about a possible WC final against the Lakers (yeah, long
> way to go, I know), I don't fear Kobe Bryant.
Yoda says, cryptically, "Oh, you will....... you will...... "
Matt
> Bold statement considering Kobe avg'd 31.8 ppg, 7.2 rpg, and 4.7 apg in the
> Minnesota series last year. I bet Sprewell fears Kobe more than you do.
> Yes, Shaq also had monster numbers, but this year, it's more likely that
> Kobe better approximates his production from last year's Wolves' series.
Well, if you told me the Wolves could hold Shaq in semi-check, I'd
take my chances with Bryant.
Matt
Don Tiberone
> A couple of years ago, despite what anybody else in the Wolves'
> newsgroup may say, I would not have denied that the #1 guy on the Lakers
> is Shaquille O'Neal. His dominance was plainly obvious.
>
> You must still be going by those performances of yesteryear, because
> O'Neal is not that dominant player anymore. Bryant is the best player
> on his own team, and it isn't even close.
Kobe without Shaq this year, has a better record than Shaq without Kobe. In
the past, Shaq would've easily carried a team by himself. Unfortunately, the
team looked absolutely pathetic without Kobe this year. Barely beating weak
Eastern conference teams not to mention losing to them.
Comic Book Guy
>On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:23:49 -0400, "Nexus" <ne...@attglobal.net> blurted:
>
>>
>>"Lamers bout 2 go Down" <D@w.n> wrote in message news:25l29053bogs8kfel...@news-server.satx.rr.com...
>>> On 29 Apr 2004 10:21:17 -0700, aces_...@hotmail.com (Matt) blurted:
>>>
>>> >"s_knight8" <s_knigh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<c6r5a1
>>> >
>>> >> But with the series still going, Elson was singing a different tune.
>>> >>
>>> >> "They're a No. 1 seed and they're acting like little kids," he said.
>>> >
>>> >This quote could be the very definition of irony. Could this kid
>>> >possibly be as stupid as he seems?
>>>
>>> How is it ironic if it's true? The T-Mutts behaved without maturity and
>>> self-control. That's how little kids behave. You'd have to be stupid or a
>>> dishonest homer if you can't see that.
>>>
>>
>>I guess the following quote is the epitomy of maturity (not like you would know):
>>"You don't do that. That's gay on his part. I told him that he was gay, too, for touching me in my private parts."
>>
>
>Well they don't call him Gay Kee for nothing. And I never said the Nuggz
>weren't immature either. <rolleyes> Get a Brain! Morans
What is Morans? Must be something that only an idiot would know
about...
Bring out da Brooms, Da Lamers is Goin Down
<comicb...@smellyalater.com> blurted:
Yeah, like Hanoi John and his anti-America supporters...
http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Mar/2004314383588080536522.jpg
Miguel
Matt wrote:
> Bryant isn't even
> the best player on his own team.
FWIW, since the MVP totes just came up yesterday.... that's two years
in a row that those who watch the NBA for a living disagreed with you on
this subject.
Miguel
Chris Smith wrote:
It's been five days.... the answer is apparently "nothing".
Matt
I'm forever amused by people who think someone bowing out of an inane
argument is some sort of surrender.
These are the people who truly believe that getting the last word in
an argument is the same as "winning" said argument.
Matt
Bring out da Brooms, Da Lamers is Goin Down
>DoorMatt
^^Must have lost this argument.
Ikrushlots
>Date: 4/29/2004 8:34 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <g4i390ld622i13cmj...@4ax.com>
>
>On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:21:46 -0500, S. Smith <scott...@visi.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:15:51 -0700, agakhan <aga...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 29 Apr 2004 19:35:41 -0700, aces_...@hotmail.com (Matt) wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Majaluk" <maj...@email.com> wrote in message
>news:<Lgckc.12553$6L3.9913@fed1read05>...
>>>>> I know they've had a breakout season, but with this mentality, no wonder
>>>>> they've never gotten out of the first round before. With the
>acquisition of
>>>>> Spree and Cassell, they've become far more dominant, however, it seems
>their
>>>>> maturity has gone to an all time low. With Spree in the bench's face
>after
>>>>> the game, Cassell up on the scorer's table reminding the fans what the
>>>>> series' score is, and Garnett calling out a rookie. What the hell is
>going
>>>>> on?
>>>>
>>>>Good lord. You'd think the Wolves were the instigators here.
>>>>
>>>i think you guys here are missing the point.
>>>
>>> instigators? we're talking about the friggin' nuggets here.
>>>instigators or not, that is flat out no way for the #1 team in the #1
>>>conference led by supposedly the best player in the game to behave.
>>>
>>> spree's a filthy punk, i would expect it from him, but not sam, not
>>>to mention flip seems to have lost control of his team. and kg gettin'
>>>into it with some 4th rate bench warmer is frankly pathetic. i mean
>>>shit, this is just the first round with a vastly inferior opponent.
>>>
>>>if i was a wolves fan i'd be feelin' more than a little disturbed by
>>>this.
>>
>>trash talking, they should be able to take it when the superior
>>teams dishes it right back at them.
>>
>>was celebrating a playoff win, he can jump around all he wants.
>>Elson was acting like an asshole and KG just treated him
>>accordingly.
>>
>>The Wolves, and their fans, have nothing to be disturbed about.
>>
>>
>ok, then, if you say so. seeing how your team has enjoyed such great
>success in the past, perhaps you would know. i guess you and your team
>deserve each other. sorry. carry on.
Talk about a lame retort . . .
agakhan
next time you have a comment to make, don't be such a spineless
chickenturd by removing the laker ng from your reply.
S. Smith
I'm sure he cleaned out that garbage for a good reason.
agakhan
wrote:
what good reason? cause he's too spineless to call someone lame to
their face?
Ikrushlots
>Date: 4/30/2004 10:59 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <us45901juj5odgh4e...@4ax.com>
All my replies go directly to the Wolves group and Wolves group only. Always
have, always will.
Ikrushlots
>Date: 4/30/2004 11:35 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <t07590pr0oa20grfq...@4ax.com>
Their's got to be better trolls than this. Maybe we'll get em in the second
round . . .
Lamers bout 2 go Down
I tried to warn you, my fellow Timberwolves fans, about this chaka khan troll.
Please, save yourself the subjection to his moronic trolls and just k/f the
retard.
agakhan
before or after you're eliminated by the weakling queens?
agakhan
really? i seem to remember you spending considerable time in the
lakers group arguing about kobe only shooting clutch shots in single
coverage, or some such drivel...
agakhan
what's a matter, dustbag? still sore from the beatdowns you got in
asbnll, so you thought you might have more success with your inferior
skills over here? or are you just hiding from alson?
hahaha, you suck.
Lamers bout 2 go Down
Need I say more, my fellow Timberwolves fans?
*PLONK*
Lamers bout 2 go Down
...and chaka khan shows his true troll colors...and subsequently gets *PLONKED*
by all us more mature Timberwolves fans.
Ikrushlots
>Date: 5/4/2004 11:22 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <109h1uo...@corp.supernews.com>
Let's not misrepresent the facts, only slightly more than half disagreed.
Miguel
Ikrushlots wrote:
And far more than that last year.
levi
> Matt wrote:
> >
> > Best player in the NBA is either Duncan or Garnett. Bryant isn't even
> > the best player on his own team.
...
> However, your statement above is more than a little bit foolish.
>
> Denial, maybe? Maybe just misinformed.
It's sad to see how so many LA fans, presumably living in the center of mass
media, never seem to have the facts - only opinions. And somehow, they seem
to think that everyone else is foolish.
Go visit www.82games.com/comm30.htm - Matt has his facts right, at least
according to sentient beings who prefer facts over uninformed opinion.
Miguel
levi wrote:
LOL
So you consider this the definitive source for determining the value of
a player to his team???
I guess that means Richie Frahm (????) is the second best player in the
NBA?????? He must be. You referred to them as "facts".
There's not a recognizeable statistic in the whole formula. However,
in the introduction, it indicates that some of the factors in this
formula are plus/minus point-differential when a player is in the game.
Bryant is high among the leaders of this.
You'll want to pass this valuable formula along to all the "uninformed"
MVP voters who have recognized Kobe as the best player on his team for
two years running. They only observe and report on NBA basketball for
their livelihood, after all. How can they be expected to stay as
informed as you?
With a little luck, by next season justice will be served so that
Richie Frahm and Nene can take their rightful places on the All-NBA 1st
team.
Ikrushlots
>Date: 5/8/2004 5:30 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <109pkkl...@corp.supernews.com>
212 for 4th vs 178 for 5th isn't exactly convincing.
>They only observe and report on NBA basketball for
>their livelihood, after all.
The same voters that you had a beef with for voting Peja over Bryant . . . even
trolls can't have it both ways.
Miguel
Ikrushlots wrote:
Naturally. As I said, Bryant and O'Neal obviously split the vote. I
recognize that there are others who think like you, even if they are in
the minority. The bottom line is, between those who vote for one Laker
player or another, Peja slips in.
levi
<Mick...@juno.com> wrote:
> levi wrote:
>
> > Miguel <Mick...@juno.com> wrote in message
news:<1096rq1...@corp.supernews.com>...
> >
> >>Matt wrote:
> >>
> >>>Best player in the NBA is either Duncan or Garnett. Bryant isn't even
> >>>the best player on his own team.
> >
> >
> > ...
> >
> >
> >> However, your statement above is more than a little bit foolish.
> >>
> >> Denial, maybe? Maybe just misinformed.
> >
> >
> > It's sad to see how so many LA fans, presumably living in the center of
> > mass media, never seem to have the facts - only opinions. And somehow,
> > they seem to think that everyone else is foolish.
> >
> > Go visit www.82games.com/comm30.htm - Matt has his facts right, at least
> > according to sentient beings who prefer facts over uninformed opinion.
>
> LOL
>
> So you consider this the definitive source for determining the value
> of a player to his team??? I guess that means Richie Frahm (????) is
> the second best player in the NBA?????? He must be. You referred to
> them as "facts".
I'd laugh out loud, but a mere snicker will do. Your attention deficit
disorder is showing. Table 5, the final result of Rosenbaum's analysis
shows that Richie Frahm rated at #23 (in only 466 minutes), Nene at #27,
along with Jason Hart at #157, Mike Sweetney at #248, Pietrus at #135,
Earl Watson at #132, and Carlos Arroyo at #182.
> There's not a recognizeable statistic in the whole formula.
Then your cognitive ability is *clearly* deficient.
> However in the introduction, it indicates that some of the factors in this
> formula are plus/minus point-differential when a player is in the game.
> Bryant is high among the leaders of this.
Well, yeah, Kobe's 41st in the league this year at +5.0. KG was #1 (again)
with +17.9 and Shaq #5 at +12.3.
> You'll want to pass this valuable formula along to all the "uninformed"
> MVP voters who have recognized Kobe as the best player on his team for
> two years running. They only observe and report on NBA basketball for
> their livelihood, after all.
So for you, sportwriter's opinions weigh more than actual facts?
> How can they be expected to stay as informed as you?
Not my problem - I'm not trying to sell newspapers under deadline by
pandering pablum to the lowest common denominator.
But back to Matt's central point that Kobe isn't even the best player
on the Lakers, much less the NBA. That has been clearly demonstrated.
Miguel
Miguel wrote:
By the way, by "think like you", I mean there are others who believe
O'Neal is still the best player on the Lakers. Almost nobody thinks
like you with regard to Bryant barely being a top ten player.