Buyers Remorse: Is It Too Late To Swap Obama For McCain? We Shouldn't Even Call Obama An American
skep...@aol.com
Is It Too Late To Swap Obama For McCain?
By Mike Whitney
May 18, 2009 "Information Clearing House" --- Anyone who has ever
wasted good money on a clunker only to drop the transmission 15
minutes after leaving the car-lot, knows the feeling. It's like a
swift-kick in the groin followed by weeks of fist-pounding rage. It's
called buyer's remorse; "Gawd, I wish I hadn't bought that piece of
dogshite!"
There are probably a lot of former-Obama supporters feeling that same
agonizing sense despair now that President Rainbow has done an about-
face on every campaign promise he made. So much for "truth in
advertising", eh?
What a disaster. Did anyone know it was gonna be this bad?
For the record; I didn't vote for Obama because I didn't like the way
he backpedaled on wiretapping and because he promised to escalate the
war in Afghanistan. (Like everyone else who voted for Ralph Nader; I
got loads of grief for it) But that doesn't mean I didn't want Obama
to succeed. I did. The country is in too big a mess NOT to hope that
he would succeed. But now...?
Let's just forget about the fact that Obama never lifted a finger to
stop Israel's two week rampage through Gaza which killed 1,100 unarmed
civilians and destroyed much of the critical infrastructure. And let's
give him a pass for equivocating on Iran, Georgia, missile defense in
East Europe, Cuba, NAFTA, FISA, torture, war crimes, the Employee free
Choice Act (EFCA) and any other issue that's important to liberals,
progressives, leftists or anyone else who eats with a fork or walks on
two legs. And let's excuse Obama for stepping up the air war in
Afghanistan even though another 140 Afghan villagers were blown to
bits 10 days ago while sitting in their schools, sleeping in their
beds or having dinner with their families. (After all, Obama did say
he was sorry, didn't he?)
But now Obama is backing off on his promise to withdrawal troops from
Iraq in 16 months. And, now he's planning to restore Bush's kangaroo
courts (Military tribunals) for prisoners at Guantanamo who've never
even been formally charged with a crime! And, now, he's threatening to
hold some prisoners indefinitely in the U.S. without trial. (http://
news.antiwar.com/2009/05/14/obama-mulls-indefinite-detention-without-
trial-for-detainees/)
I don't know about you, but I believe that America is based on the
idea that every man has certain basic rights, and the most fundamental
of all those rights is the right to know why the state has thrown your
ass in jail. That's numero uno! It's called habeas corpus and the
whole judicial system rests on that one foundation stone. People like
Obama, who don't believe in habeas, shouldn't even call themselves
"American" in my book because they don't believe in the underlying
principles.
Does Khalid Sheik Mohamed--the so-called "9-11 mastermind"-- deserve
his day in court?
You're damn right he does! That's how the system works. Deal with it.
Obama is an unprincipled poseur; a snake charmer; a complete phony. No
wonder the gushing David Brooks has been singing his praises lately.
No wonder Andrew Sullivan calls him the "Neocon in Chief". Heck, even
Cheney was talking-up Obama's bloody AfPak policy a few days ago. That
says it all, doesn't it?
Here's a blurp from Murdoch's far-right rag, The Wall Street Journal,
that sums up Obama perfectly:
"Mr. Obama deserves credit for accepting that civilians courts are
largely unsuited for the realities of the war on terror. He has now
decided to preserve a tribunal process that will be identical in every
material way to the one favored by Dick Cheney."
Hypocrite.
We'd be better off with that doddering old fool McCain. At least with
McCain you know what you're getting.
Terraholm
Lets go back and have Gore instead of Bush
Dewey
4fef-9dfc-f...@c7g2000prc.googlegroups.com:
> Buyers Remorse
>
> Is It Too Late To Swap Obama For McCain?
>
> By Mike Whitney
>
> May 18, 2009 "Information Clearing House" --- Anyone who has ever
> wasted good money on a clunker only to drop the transmission 15
> minutes after leaving the car-lot, knows the feeling. It's like a
> swift-kick in the groin followed by weeks of fist-pounding rage. It's
> called buyer's remorse; "Gawd, I wish I hadn't bought that piece of
> dogshite!"
>
> There are probably a lot of former-Obama supporters feeling that same
> agonizing sense despair now that President Rainbow has done an about-
> face on every campaign promise he made. So much for "truth in
> advertising", eh?
>
God people are so fucking stupid. Am I the only one who thinks Obama has
been doing just about exactly what I expected him to do?
--
"This was so much fun."
- Sarah Palin speaking a turkey slaughterhouse
Chim Chim
"> God people are so fucking stupid. Am I the only one who thinks Obama has
> been doing just about exactly what I expected him to do?
Nope, it's obvious your the only smart one.
Dewey
news:gcWdnWXynN1xm47X...@giganews.com:
It's appropriate that you were first to respond.
Chim Chim
<skep...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Buyers Remorse
>
> Is It Too Late To Swap Obama For McCain?
It would have been a wash.
McCain is not a conservative and does what's right for washingington & his
colleagues, not what's right for the country.
Terraholm
> "skep...@aol.com" <skep...@aol.com> wrote in news:74e2f184-4dd4-
> 4fef-9dfc-f...@c7g2000prc.googlegroups.com:
>
>>
> God people are so fucking stupid. Am I the only one who thinks Obama has
> been doing just about exactly what I expected him to do?
>
Nope, I am with you.
mozark
> been doing just about exactly what I expected him to do?
Aren't you the man who described Obama as the Nixon-of-the-left,
someone who would begin incrementally to steer the society toward more
progressive values, beginning a reversal of the past 40 years?
Since he's eaten fully the Bush-Cheney menu on National Security
issues, vastly expanded the Central Asian Wars, and preserved the Wall
Street Mafia -- how exactly is he doing that?
Values aside, compared to Nixon, Obama's political balls are non-
existent. He's revealed himself to be little but an Establishment kiss-
ass.
mozark
>
> By Mike Whitney
> http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22640.htm
Thanks for the great piece.
PeterL
> "skepti...@aol.com" <skepti...@aol.com> wrote in news:74e2f184-4dd4-
> 4fef-9dfc-f5c82a31a...@c7g2000prc.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Buyers Remorse
>
> > Is It Too Late To Swap Obama For McCain?
>
> > By Mike Whitney
>
> > May 18, 2009 "Information Clearing House" --- Anyone who has ever
> > wasted good money on a clunker only to drop the transmission 15
> > minutes after leaving the car-lot, knows the feeling. It's like a
> > swift-kick in the groin followed by weeks of fist-pounding rage. It's
> > called buyer's remorse; "Gawd, I wish I hadn't bought that piece of
> > dogshite!"
>
> > There are probably a lot of former-Obama supporters feeling that same
> > agonizing sense despair now that President Rainbow has done an about-
> > face on every campaign promise he made. So much for "truth in
> > advertising", eh?
>
> God people are so fucking stupid. Am I the only one who thinks Obama has
> been doing just about exactly what I expected him to do?
>
>
You and about 60% of the country.
bozak
i expected him to do exactly what he is doing too...
bozak
if only...
bozak
im not with you but i expected him to be the fuckup that he is...
Dewey
news:51eeedd3-076f-4f2b...@s20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:
>> God people are so fucking stupid. Am I the only one who thinks Obama
>> has been doing just about exactly what I expected him to do?
>
> Aren't you the man who described Obama as the Nixon-of-the-left,
> someone who would begin incrementally to steer the society toward more
> progressive values, beginning a reversal of the past 40 years?
>
> Since he's eaten fully the Bush-Cheney menu on National Security
> issues, vastly expanded the Central Asian Wars, and preserved the Wall
> Street Mafia -- how exactly is he doing that?
>
The right-wing media likes to scream that Obama's military tribunals are
"no different" than Bush's but they are vastly different. And he needs
to use them - witness resistance in his own party to closing Gitmo until
detainees are dealt with. As for Afghanistan, Obama campaigned on
expanding that war so I don't know why you or anyone would be surprised.
> Values aside, compared to Nixon, Obama's political balls are non-
> existent. He's revealed himself to be little but an Establishment
> kiss- ass.
>
I think if you look at how the right-wing mass media has seized on the
Nancy Pelosi issue you might understand why Obama has to take baby
steps. Even Bush waited 7 months before he started shredding the
Constitution.
Dewey
news:07403a69-de19-4147...@d19g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
Well then I don't get what the other 20% (leaving out the 20% that are
certifiable right-wing nutjobs) are so bereft about. Yes I do. These are
the ones who were screaming that Obama was moving to the center during
the primaries.
skep...@aol.com
> Terraholm wrote:
> > Dewey wrote:
> >> "skepti...@aol.com" <skepti...@aol.com> wrote in news:74e2f184-4dd4-
> >> 4fef-9dfc-f5c82a31a...@c7g2000prc.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> been doing just about exactly what I expected him to do?
>
> > Nope, I am with you.
>
> im not with you but i expected him to be the fuckup that he is...
If that is true then why do you have me killfiled for saying left wing
things about Barrack Hussein Obama, Bozak?
President Obama has done an about–face on every campaign promise. His
policies are Bush policies. He’s just got everyone fooled with PR
marketing campaigns and psychological tricks. I posted an article (to
the Project Censored media research website) by Mike Whitney which
details Obama’s Republican like policies. A Zionist Massacre and
systematic murder of men, women and children using illegal weapons
against an imprisoned population inside the giant concentration camp
which is Gaza? Check, just like Bush. Obama equivocated on Iran,
Georgia, missile defense in Europe, Cuba, NAFTA, FISA, torture, war
crimes, employee free choice. He’s backing off on his promise to
withdraw troops from Iraq.
Obama has promoted General McCryastal head of Bush’s worst deathsquad
force, the Delta Force. The Force is made up of specially trained US
soldiers who make no distinction between civilian activist leaders and
armed resistance in Afghanistan and Iraq. Psychopath US military teams
who are directly implicated in torture on a massive scale in Iraq.
This is who Obama has running his wars of aggression and mass murder.
Now he’s planning Bush’s Kangaroo courts (military tribunals) for
prisoners at Guantanamo who’ve never even been formally charged with a
crime! And he’s threatening to hold some prisoners indefinitely
without trial. Mike Whitney in his piece ‘Buyers Remorse: Is it too
late to swap Obama for McCain?’ reminds us that America has some
certain core beliefs, including the idea that every man has certain
basic rights. People like Obama who is not even for habeas corpus
shouldn’t call themselves “American.” Liberals have been fooled by
image. Obama is a God guy too, and he wants to make Abortioin more
rare just like President Bush and President Clinton. It’s not about
one personality and to demonize Barrak Obama. It’s about a system of
Capitalism and what it takes for these vampires to run their economic
system, which at its essence is based on aggressive war making,
plunder, exploitation and the key force making human misery around the
planet for the profit of a tiny ruling elite. Obama is not a reluctant
leader who is led astray by advisors. He’s the leader of deciding
policy, the guy who makes up what to do in service of empire. Obama
and Bush? Shame shit, different pile. It’s just like the Republicans
were in office!
–Bill Gibbons
“I’m a Truth Addict, aw shit, I got a head rush!” –Rage Against the
Machine
Chim Chim
"Terraholm" <terrahol...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:77gehbF...@mid.individual.net...
At least he wouldn't look so hypocritical flying around in air force one &
driving suburban as he does now, preaching to the peasants about global
warming.
Chim Chim
> i expected him to do exactly what he is doing too...
LOL!
Yep
Dewey
news:85beb134-651a-480e...@z8g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
> On May 19, 1:11�pm, " bozak" <_____boz...@gmail.com_____> wrote:
>> Terraholm wrote:
>> > Dewey wrote:
>> >> "skepti...@aol.com" <skepti...@aol.com> wrote in
>> >> news:74e2f184-4dd4-
>> >> 4fef-9dfc-f5c82a31a...@c7g2000prc.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> >> God people are so fucking stupid. Am I the only one who thinks
>> >> Obama h
> as
>> >> been doing just about exactly what I expected him to do?
>>
>> > Nope, I am with you.
>>
>> im not with you but i expected him to be the fuckup that he is...
>
> If that is true then why do you have me killfiled for saying left wing
> things about Barrack Hussein Obama, Bozak?
>
> President Obama has done an about�face on every campaign promise. His
Blah-blah-blah. Obama "promised" to expand the war in Afghanistan and
now he is. And it was roughly a year ago that lefties were crying like
schoolgirls with skinned knees about the "rumor" that he was going to
keep Gates on as SoD. All that "most liberal Senator" shit was sold to
you by a right-wing media trying to scare the shit out of "conservative
America". Amazing how they duped everyone. Almost everyone.
Terraholm
> <skep...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:74e2f184-4dd4-4fef...@c7g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
>> Buyers Remorse
>>
>> Is It Too Late To Swap Obama For McCain?
>
> It would have been a wash.
No. All these lists are ignoring the stuff that did get reported as "in
a reversal of the Bush administration policy"....
Like SCHIP, and health care funding for children including states that
had their own health care programs which were excluded under Bush.
Stem cell research funding... US anti-trust policy restoring a policy
that led to the real antitrust suits against Microsoft and Intel under
Clinton.
Reinstated independent scientific review on endangered species.
Reversed financing restrictions for federal funding for family planning
to the United Nations Population Fund... Ex-Im and OPIC ordered to
settle bushie fought cases in favor of environmentalists to stop
financing polluters offshore that would not be allowed here. Stopped is
funding by Ex-Im of a coal-fired plant in China, a pipeline from Chad to
Cameroon, and oil and natural gas projects in Russia, Mexico, Venezuela
and Indonesia. In a reversal of Bush's carbon emissions policy the EPA
is allowed to declare that carbon emissions posed a threat to public
health.
Ordered the closure of the CIA's network of foreign "ghost" prisons.
And there is still a huge diference between Obama's revised 'getting out
of Iraq" plan and McCain's occupy them for 100 years..
>
> McCain is not a conservative and does what's right for washingington & his
> colleagues, not what's right for the country.
McCain would have been tightly controlled by the extreme wing of his
party. The Mccain of 2000 would not have voted for the 2008 version...
Obama will not be controlled by the extreme wing of the dems, apparently
much to most of our amazements and disappointment. =)
mozark
> now he is. And it was roughly a year ago that lefties were crying like
> schoolgirls with skinned knees about the "rumor" that he was going to
> keep Gates on as SoD. All that "most liberal Senator" shit was sold to
> you by a right-wing media trying to scare the shit out of "conservative
> America". Amazing how they duped everyone. Almost everyone.
I'm not sure what we're arguing about here. :-)
That Obama is a tool providing "left cover" for Bush policies? Or who
figured it out first -- you, LT or bozak? :-)
bozak
you must be some kind of lunatic fucking nut job...
please show me a post where i said i thought he was going to be
liberal???
my stance on the piece of shit that is obama was that he was going
to be a piece of shit from day one...
you spout so much bullshit that you dont even think about who youre
talking to, just the same ole fucking talking points no matter who
you talk too...
pitiful...
mozark
> schoolgirls with skinned knees about the "rumor" that he was going to
> keep Gates on as SoD.
You mean this thread?: :-)
bozak
me from day 1...
Dewey
news:guv5fr$97a$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
> Dewey wrote:
>> "skep...@aol.com" <skep...@aol.com> wrote in
>> news:85beb134-651a-480e-ba8d-5e41e075b982
Are you also posting as skepticl1?
skep...@aol.com
That's because George W. Bush had to stage his false flag operations
attacks on Sept. 11, 2001. So what if right wingers squawk. Barrak
Hussein Obama is one of them too.
PeterL
I said this before, when both the extreme left and extreme right are
speaking the same language, you know the guy is a certifiable
centrist. So you got 20% extreme one way, 20% extreme the other way.
That leaves 60% in the middle.
skep...@aol.com
> Chim Chim wrote:
> > <skepti...@aol.com> wrote in message
Obama is the most controlled President in US history by finiacial
interest. He stole 18 trillion dollars for his cronies so that they
can set up oligarchs for the next quarter century. Also Obama has not
closed 'ghost' detainee secret torture prisons.
bozak
you have lost your fucking mind...
bozak
that just means youre apart of the 80% of dumb motherfuckers...
somebody has to be right and it isnt the religious nutjob fucks nor
is it the people in the middle idlely standing by watching our country
kill people for oil...
but hey, you enjoy your moronic place in the middle and keep thinking
you are doing something sane...
Terraholm
He is doing pretty much what I expected whether I agree or disagree with
him. maybe a little better than I expected.
You judge it all from the pessimistic angle...judge only the faults and
let that define everything. He was not my first, nor second, choice
either remember.
I do not like the parts you run up the flag pole any better than you,
although I think you overstate the 'get out of Iraq' part, I see that as
a promise tweaked, not a promise broken so far since I expected a lot
worse...
So overall I see it as a glass about 3/4 full and judge first on the
positive... and compared to the last 8 years I do not have to look too
hard to find those positives.
--
Laurel T
"Giving every man a vote has no more made men wise and free than
Christianity has made them good."
H. L. Mencken
bozak
> bozak wrote:
>> Terraholm wrote:
>>> Dewey wrote:
>>>> "skep...@aol.com" <skep...@aol.com> wrote in news:74e2f184-4dd4-
>>>> 4fef-9dfc-f...@c7g2000prc.googlegroups.com:
>>>>
>>>> God people are so fucking stupid. Am I the only one who thinks Obama has
>>>> been doing just about exactly what I expected him to do?
>>>>
>>> Nope, I am with you.
>>
>> im not with you but i expected him to be the fuckup that he is...
>>
>>
>
>
> He is doing pretty much what I expected whether I agree or disagree with
> him. maybe a little better than I expected.
> You judge it all from the pessimistic angle...judge only the faults and
> let that define everything. He was not my first, nor second, choice
> either remember.
wrong...
>
> I do not like the parts you run up the flag pole any better than you,
> although I think you overstate the 'get out of Iraq' part, I see that as
> a promise tweaked, not a promise broken so far since I expected a lot
> worse...
thats because you believe he is going to do what he says he is going
to do... that would be some bullshit... the five oil companies saddam
kicked out of iraq that just came back will need protection, i dont
care if its next year, or ten years from now... if you believe we are
leaving iraq youre just foolish...
>
> So overall I see it as a glass about 3/4 full and judge first on the
> positive... and compared to the last 8 years I do not have to look too
> hard to find those positives.
the major run to get him in office was to stop the wars, how you give
him 3/4 when he is increasing the volume of service men at war i
will never know...
barack "republikkkon lite" obama... a total fraud...
Terraholm
Dewey <dewey3kNOS...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Even Bush waited 7 months before he started shredding the
>> Constitution.
"The illegal we do immediately.
The unconstitutional takes a little longer."
Henry Kissinger
Terraholm
> Terraholm wrote:
>> bozak wrote:
>>> Terraholm wrote:
>>>> Dewey wrote:
>>>>> "skep...@aol.com" <skep...@aol.com> wrote in news:74e2f184-4dd4-
>>>>> 4fef-9dfc-f...@c7g2000prc.googlegroups.com:
>>>>>
>>>>> God people are so fucking stupid. Am I the only one who thinks Obama has
>>>>> been doing just about exactly what I expected him to do?
>>>>>
>>>> Nope, I am with you.
>>> im not with you but i expected him to be the fuckup that he is...
>>>
>>>
>>
>> He is doing pretty much what I expected whether I agree or disagree with
>> him. maybe a little better than I expected.
>> You judge it all from the pessimistic angle...judge only the faults and
>> let that define everything. He was not my first, nor second, choice
>> either remember.
>
> wrong...
How so?
>> I do not like the parts you run up the flag pole any better than you,
>> although I think you overstate the 'get out of Iraq' part, I see that as
>> a promise tweaked, not a promise broken so far since I expected a lot
>> worse...
>
> thats because you believe he is going to do what he says he is going
> to do...
Hard to break a promise that is still just that.
that would be some bullshit... the five oil companies saddam
> kicked out of iraq that just came back will need protection, i dont
> care if its next year, or ten years from now... if you believe we are
> leaving iraq youre just foolish...
I believe we will leave Iraq one way or another.
Let the Oil companies hire and bribe their own protection.
That is the way it works.
You know the whole 'sun'ni awakening' thing that actually brought down
the violence during the so called and highly touted 'surge'?
Bush could have had it 2 years before, but he refused to pay off the
sun'ni chiefs...they were trying to survive Maliki and the U.S.
military, not al-Qaeda...
But finally we paid them off..and then ordered Maliki to keep paying
them... about $15 million monthly to the Sahwas just in Baghdad.
>> So overall I see it as a glass about 3/4 full and judge first on the
>> positive... and compared to the last 8 years I do not have to look too
>> hard to find those positives.
>
> the major run to get him in office was to stop the wars,
how you give
> him 3/4 when he is increasing the volume of service men at war i
> will never know...
He campaigned that he was going to increase the war and troops in
Afghanistan. Not my total preference even though that is the more
justifiable conflict, but hard to claim I did not expect it.
bozak
> bozak wrote:
>> Terraholm wrote:
>>> bozak wrote:
>>>> Terraholm wrote:
>>>>> Dewey wrote:
>>>>>> "skep...@aol.com" <skep...@aol.com> wrote in news:74e2f184-4dd4-
>>>>>> 4fef-9dfc-f...@c7g2000prc.googlegroups.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> God people are so fucking stupid. Am I the only one who thinks Obama has
>>>>>> been doing just about exactly what I expected him to do?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, I am with you.
>>>> im not with you but i expected him to be the fuckup that he is...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> He is doing pretty much what I expected whether I agree or disagree with
>>> him. maybe a little better than I expected.
>>> You judge it all from the pessimistic angle...judge only the faults and
>>> let that define everything. He was not my first, nor second, choice
>>> either remember.
>>
>> wrong...
>
> How so?
your wrong, he got props from me for doing certain things right...
maybe you only pay attention to the garbage he does that i point out...
>
>>> I do not like the parts you run up the flag pole any better than you,
>>> although I think you overstate the 'get out of Iraq' part, I see that as
>>> a promise tweaked, not a promise broken so far since I expected a lot
>>> worse...
>>
>> thats because you believe he is going to do what he says he is going
>> to do...
>
> Hard to break a promise that is still just that.
>
> that would be some bullshit... the five oil companies saddam
>> kicked out of iraq that just came back will need protection, i dont
>> care if its next year, or ten years from now... if you believe we are
>> leaving iraq youre just foolish...
>
> I believe we will leave Iraq one way or another.
> Let the Oil companies hire and bribe their own protection.
you know thats not going to happen, thats what they use government
for... its why we are there in the first place...
>
> That is the way it works.
> You know the whole 'sun'ni awakening' thing that actually brought down
> the violence during the so called and highly touted 'surge'?
> Bush could have had it 2 years before, but he refused to pay off the
> sun'ni chiefs...they were trying to survive Maliki and the U.S.
> military, not al-Qaeda...
> But finally we paid them off..and then ordered Maliki to keep paying
> them... about $15 million monthly to the Sahwas just in Baghdad.
lovely...
>
>>> So overall I see it as a glass about 3/4 full and judge first on the
>>> positive... and compared to the last 8 years I do not have to look too
>>> hard to find those positives.
>>
>> the major run to get him in office was to stop the wars,
>
> how you give
>> him 3/4 when he is increasing the volume of service men at war i
>> will never know...
>
> He campaigned that he was going to increase the war and troops in
> Afghanistan. Not my total preference even though that is the more
> justifiable conflict, but hard to claim I did not expect it.
wouldve been nice if that was what he chose to flipflop on...
mayner
news:74e2f184-4dd4-4fef...@c7g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
> Buyers Remorse
>
> Is It Too Late To Swap Obama For McCain?
>
> By Mike Whitney
>
> May 18, 2009 "Information Clearing House" --- Anyone who has ever
> wasted good money on a clunker only to drop the transmission 15
> minutes after leaving the car-lot, knows the feeling. It's like a
> swift-kick in the groin followed by weeks of fist-pounding rage. It's
> called buyer's remorse; "Gawd, I wish I hadn't bought that piece of
> dogshite!"
>
> There are probably a lot of former-Obama supporters feeling that same
> agonizing sense despair now that President Rainbow has done an about-
> face on every campaign promise he made. So much for "truth in
> advertising", eh?
>
>
> For the record; I didn't vote for Obama because I didn't like the way
> he backpedaled on wiretapping and because he promised to escalate the
> war in Afghanistan. (Like everyone else who voted for Ralph Nader; I
> got loads of grief for it) But that doesn't mean I didn't want Obama
> to succeed. I did. The country is in too big a mess NOT to hope that
> he would succeed. But now...?
>
> Let's just forget about the fact that Obama never lifted a finger to
> stop Israel's two week rampage through Gaza which killed 1,100 unarmed
> civilians and destroyed much of the critical infrastructure. And let's
> give him a pass for equivocating on Iran, Georgia, missile defense in
> East Europe, Cuba, NAFTA, FISA, torture, war crimes, the Employee free
> Choice Act (EFCA) and any other issue that's important to liberals,
> progressives, leftists or anyone else who eats with a fork or walks on
> two legs. And let's excuse Obama for stepping up the air war in
> Afghanistan even though another 140 Afghan villagers were blown to
> bits 10 days ago while sitting in their schools, sleeping in their
> beds or having dinner with their families. (After all, Obama did say
> he was sorry, didn't he?)
>
> But now Obama is backing off on his promise to withdrawal troops from
> Iraq in 16 months. And, now he's planning to restore Bush's kangaroo
> courts (Military tribunals) for prisoners at Guantanamo who've never
> even been formally charged with a crime! And, now, he's threatening to
> hold some prisoners indefinitely in the U.S. without trial. (http://
> news.antiwar.com/2009/05/14/obama-mulls-indefinite-detention-without-
> trial-for-detainees/)
>
> I don't know about you, but I believe that America is based on the
> idea that every man has certain basic rights, and the most fundamental
> of all those rights is the right to know why the state has thrown your
> ass in jail. That's numero uno! It's called habeas corpus and the
> whole judicial system rests on that one foundation stone. People like
> Obama, who don't believe in habeas, shouldn't even call themselves
> "American" in my book because they don't believe in the underlying
> principles.
>
> Does Khalid Sheik Mohamed--the so-called "9-11 mastermind"-- deserve
> his day in court?
> You're damn right he does! That's how the system works. Deal with it.
>
> Obama is an unprincipled poseur; a snake charmer; a complete phony. No
> wonder the gushing David Brooks has been singing his praises lately.
> No wonder Andrew Sullivan calls him the "Neocon in Chief". Heck, even
> Cheney was talking-up Obama's bloody AfPak policy a few days ago. That
> says it all, doesn't it?
> Here's a blurp from Murdoch's far-right rag, The Wall Street Journal,
> that sums up Obama perfectly:
>
> "Mr. Obama deserves credit for accepting that civilians courts are
> largely unsuited for the realities of the war on terror. He has now
> decided to preserve a tribunal process that will be identical in every
> material way to the one favored by Dick Cheney."
>
> Hypocrite.
>
> We'd be better off with that doddering old fool McCain. At least with
> McCain you know what you're getting.
>
> http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22640.htm
Bullshit.
McCain? You've lost your mind.
mayner
news:guv3rs$qta$5...@news.eternal-september.org...
You think Gore would be any diff than Oabma?
Oh, yeah, if Gore had been allowed to serve his rightful term(s) then there
wouldn't be so much work for Obama to do.
I get it, if a little slow.
Terraholm
> Terraholm wrote:
>> bozak wrote:
>>> Terraholm wrote:
>>>> bozak wrote:
>>>>> Terraholm wrote:
>>>>>> Dewey wrote:
>>>>>>> "skep...@aol.com" <skep...@aol.com> wrote in news:74e2f184-4dd4-
>>>>>>> 4fef-9dfc-f...@c7g2000prc.googlegroups.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> God people are so fucking stupid. Am I the only one who thinks Obama has
>>>>>>> been doing just about exactly what I expected him to do?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope, I am with you.
>>>>> im not with you but i expected him to be the fuckup that he is...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> He is doing pretty much what I expected whether I agree or disagree with
>>>> him. maybe a little better than I expected.
>>>> You judge it all from the pessimistic angle...judge only the faults and
>>>> let that define everything. He was not my first, nor second, choice
>>>> either remember.
>>> wrong...
>> How so?
>
> your wrong, he got props from me for doing certain things right...
> maybe you only pay attention to the garbage he does that i point out...
Well then I shall change it
>>>> I do not like the parts you run up the flag pole any better than you,
>>>> although I think you overstate the 'get out of Iraq' part, I see that as
>>>> a promise tweaked, not a promise broken so far since I expected a lot
>>>> worse...
>>> thats because you believe he is going to do what he says he is going
>>> to do...
>> Hard to break a promise that is still just that.
>>
>> that would be some bullshit... the five oil companies saddam
>>> kicked out of iraq that just came back will need protection, i dont
>>> care if its next year, or ten years from now... if you believe we are
>>> leaving iraq youre just foolish...
>> I believe we will leave Iraq one way or another.
>> Let the Oil companies hire and bribe their own protection.
>
> you know thats not going to happen, thats what they use government
> for... its why we are there in the first place...
Unlike the bush oil cronies I think Obama will notice that not only it
is not worth it to us, it turned out to be not even worth it to the Oil
companies.
>> That is the way it works.
>> You know the whole 'sun'ni awakening' thing that actually brought down
>> the violence during the so called and highly touted 'surge'?
>> Bush could have had it 2 years before, but he refused to pay off the
>> sun'ni chiefs...they were trying to survive Maliki and the U.S.
>> military, not al-Qaeda...
>> But finally we paid them off..and then ordered Maliki to keep paying
>> them... about $15 million monthly to the Sahwas just in Baghdad.
>
> lovely...
>>>> So overall I see it as a glass about 3/4 full and judge first on the
>>>> positive... and compared to the last 8 years I do not have to look too
>>>> hard to find those positives.
>>> the major run to get him in office was to stop the wars,
>> how you give
>>> him 3/4 when he is increasing the volume of service men at war i
>>> will never know...
>> He campaigned that he was going to increase the war and troops in
>> Afghanistan. Not my total preference even though that is the more
>> justifiable conflict, but hard to claim I did not expect it.
>
> wouldve been nice if that was what he chose to flipflop on...
Maybe. I am not so sure he is wrong on this one.
bozak
if gore had been put into office when he was elected, a black president would still
be 20 years down the road...
mayner
news:Xns9C109ABE898DBde...@130.133.1.4...
> "skep...@aol.com" <skep...@aol.com> wrote in news:74e2f184-4dd4-
> 4fef-9dfc-f...@c7g2000prc.googlegroups.com:
>
>>
>> Is It Too Late To Swap Obama For McCain?
>>
>>
>> May 18, 2009 "Information Clearing House" --- Anyone who has ever
>> wasted good money on a clunker only to drop the transmission 15
>> minutes after leaving the car-lot, knows the feeling. It's like a
>> swift-kick in the groin followed by weeks of fist-pounding rage. It's
>> called buyer's remorse; "Gawd, I wish I hadn't bought that piece of
>> dogshite!"
>>
>> There are probably a lot of former-Obama supporters feeling that same
>> agonizing sense despair now that President Rainbow has done an about-
>> face on every campaign promise he made. So much for "truth in
>> advertising", eh?
>>
> been doing just about exactly what I expected him to do?
>
> "This was so much fun."
>
> - Sarah Palin speaking a turkey slaughterhouse
Not what I hoped for so far but given the deliberate fucking up the Bush
Admin did to piss in the punchbowl we call our country I think he's done
more than we could expect. why don't the Obama haters understand these
things?
bozak
i guess for the same reason the obama lovers dont understand why people
are disgusted with a man who would have robert gates for defense secretary,
and watching him continuously move the goal posts back on iraq, make a
bigger war in afghanistan, keeping open ridiculous cabinet positions like an
office for faith based money give aways, not willing to prosecute war criminals,
his ridiculous backing of the money giveaways without any restrictions whatsoever...
not to mention him backing fisa after saying he wouldnt just to win votes and
the massaging of ronald rayguns dead cock as well...
why dont the obama lovers understand these things???
Terraholm
40 some bushies
1. Dick Cheney -- The worst Dick since Nixon. The man who shot his
friend while in office. The "most powerful and controversial vice
president." Until he got the job, people used to actually think it was a
bad thing that the vice presidency has historically been a do-nothing
position. Asked by PBS's Jim Lehrer about why people hate him, Cheney
rejected the premise, saying, "I don't buy that." His top placement in
our survey says otherwise.
2. Karl Rove -- There wasn't a scandal in the Bush administration that
Rove didn't have his fingerprints all over -- see Plame, Iraq war
deception, Gov. Don Siegelman, U.S. Attorney firings, missing e-mails,
and more. As senior political adviser and later as deputy chief of
staff, "The Architect" was responsible for politicizing nearly every
agency of the federal government.
3. Alberto Gonzales -- Fundamentally dishonest and woefully incompetent,
Gonzales was involved in a series of scandals, first as White House
counsel and then as Attorney General. Some of the most notable:
pressuring a "feeble" and "barely articulate" Attorney General Ashcroft
at his hospital bedside to sign off on Bush's illegal wiretapping
program; approving waterboarding and other torture techniques to be used
against detainees; and leading the firing of U.S. Attorneys deemed not
sufficiently loyal to Bush.
4. Donald Rumsfeld -- After winning praise for leading the U.S. effort
in ousting the Taliban from Afghanistan in 2001, the former Defense
Secretary strongly advocated for the invasion of Iraq and then grossly
misjudged and mishandled its aftermath. Rumsfeld is also responsible for
authorizing the use of torture against terror detainees in U.S. custody;
according to a bipartisan Senate report, Rumsfeld "conveyed the message
that physical pressures and degradation were appropriate treatment for
detainees."
5. Michael Brown -- This former commissioner of the International
Arabian Horse Association was appointed by Bush to head FEMA in 2003.
After Katrina made landfall as a Category 4 hurricane, Brownie promptly
did a "heck of a job" bungling the government's relief efforts, and was
sent back to Washington a few days later. He was forced to resign
shortly thereafter.
6. Paul Wolfowitz -- As Deputy Secretary of Defense from 2001 to 2005,
Wolfowitz was one of the primary architects of the Iraq war, arguing for
the invasion as early as Sept. 15, 2001. Testifying before Congress in
February 2003, Wolfowitz said that it was "hard to conceive that it
would take more forces to provide stability in post-Saddam Iraq than it
would take to conduct the war itself." Wolfowitz eventually admitted
that "for bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass
destruction," as a justification for war, "because it was the one reason
everyone [in the administration] could agree on."
7. David Addington -- "Cheney's Cheney" was the "most powerful man
you've never heard of." As the leader of Bush's legal team and Cheney's
chief of staff, Addington was the biggest proponent of some of Bush's
most notorious legal abuses, such as torture and warrantless
surveillance, and is a loyal follower of the so-called unitary executive
theory.
8. Stephen Johnson -- The "Alberto Gonzales of the environment," EPA
Administrator Johnson subverted the agency's mission at the behest of
the White House and corporate interests, suppressing staff
recommendations on pesticides, mercury, lead paint, smog, and global
warming.
9. Douglas Feith -- Undersecretary of Defense for Policy from 2001-2005,
Feith headed up the notorious Office of Special Plans, an in-house
Pentagon intelligence shop devised by Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz to
produce intelligence to justify the invasion of Iraq. A subsequent
investigation by the Pentagon's Inspector General found the OSP's work
produced "conclusions that were not fully supported by the available
intelligence."
10. John Bolton -- As Undersecretary of State, Bolton offered a strong
voice in favor of invading Iraq and pushed for the U.S. to disengage
from the International Criminal Court and key international arms control
agreements. A recess appointment landed Bolton the job of U.S.
ambassador to the United Nations, despite his stringent animosity toward
the world body. Today, he spends his time calling for war with Iran.
11. John Yoo -- As a lawyer for the Justice Department's Office of Legal
Counsel, Yoo authored a series of legal memos giving military
interrogators authority to use torture and coercive techniques when
interviewing terrorist suspects. Yoo said that only those techniques
that inflict pain equivalent to "death, organ failure or permanent
damage resulting in a loss of significant body functions" constitute
torture. Last year, he refused to answer whether or not the president
could order a detainee to be buried alive.
12. Ari Fleischer -- Bush's first press secretary helped redefine the
role as that of liar-in-chief rather than informer of the public,
earning a reputation as "the world's most dishonest flack." Whereas his
successors sometimes looked uncomfortable lying, Fleischer was having
fun, spinning a cowed and gullible press corps through two massive tax
cuts and the initiation of a war undertaken on false pretenses.
13. John Ashcroft -- In 2003, as Bush's first Attorney General, Ashcroft
approved waterboarding and other torture techniques on detainees.
Ashcroft's nomination was controversial, as he had a history of opposing
school desegregation. The chief architect of the invasive Patriot Act,
Ashcroft maintains to this day that Bush is "among the most respectful
of all leaders ever" of civil liberties.
14. Henry Paulson -- Even as the financial system was crashing down
around him, Treasury Secretary Paulson insisted for months that the
banking system was "safe and sound." Once he decided that the economy
needed saving, Paulson requested nearly unfettered authority to send
billions of taxpayer dollars to banks with no oversight.
15. L. Paul Bremer -- This Presidential Medal of Freedom winner took
over the Coalition Provisional Authority in May 2003. Under his
mismanagement, the insurgency exploded in Iraq. Bremer claimed he had
all the troops he needed to secure the country, overestimated the
strength of the new U.S.-trained Iraqi army, disbanded the Iraqi army
leaving thousands of Iraqi soldiers with no income and no occupation,
and enacted a de-Baathification law that barred many experienced Iraqis
from government positions.
16. Bradley Schlozman -- As a recent DOJ Inspector General report
demonstrates, Schlozman was a central figure in Bush's politicization of
the Justice Department. Violating civil service laws, Schlozman used
political and ideological considerations to ensure that only
"right-thinking Americans" received jobs. He eventually lied to Congress
about his efforts.
17. J. Steven Griles -- A former energy lobbyist and no. 2 official in
the Interior Department, Griles went to jail for lying to Congress about
illegal favors he did for corrupt lobbyist Jack Abramoff. Griles also
abused his position "to unlock nearly every legal barrier to
exploitation" of our nation's oil and mineral reserves. Before his
conviction, Griles left the White House to become a lobbyist for
ConocoPhillips.
18. Condoleezza Rice -- As Bush's national security adviser, Rice was
another strong advocate for invading Iraq, once famously warning that
the U.S. should attack Iraq and not wait for solid proof of its WMD
because "we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud." Rice
also ignored an urgent warning from the CIA before the Sept. 11, 2001,
terrorist attacks that a strike inside the U.S. was imminent.
19. Scooter Libby -- Cheney's former chief of staff was a key player in
the outing of CIA operative Valerie Plame as part of the Bush
administration's quest to punish Plame's husband, former ambassador
Joseph Wilson, for publishing an op-ed debunking one of the White
House's main justifications for invading Iraq. Libby was ultimately
convicted of perjury and obstructing justice in a federal investigation
into Plame's outing but later had his 30-month prison sentence commuted
by Bush.
20. Monica Goodling -- Goodling was the most notorious graduate of Pat
Robertson's Regent University during her tenure in the Justice
Department. As the White House liaison at the DOJ, she based the
department's hiring of candidates on their sexual preference, GOP
loyalty, and adherence to conservative ideology.
21. Alphonso Jackson -- As Housing and Urban Development Secretary,
Jackson let the U.S. housing market crumble while he was busy giving
lucrative contracts to his golfing buddies, retaliating against Bush
critics, and erecting giant photo homages to himself.
22. Michael Hayden -- As director of the National Security Agency,
Hayden ran Bush's warrantless wiretapping program and misled Congress
about the program's legality. After moving to the CIA, he dismissed the
destruction of evidence implicating the CIA in torture as "in line with
the law."
23. Lurita Doan -- The former head of the General Services
Administration (GSA)who doled out a no-bid contract to a friend, Doan
famously hosted a meeting of White House political operatives where she
asked how GSA employees could "help 'our candidates' in the next
election." After the Office of Special Counsel called for her firing,
she was forced to resign at the request of the White House.
24. Gale Norton -- A former industry lobbyist and Bush's first Secretary
of the Interior, Norton pushed a radical ideological agenda "through
regulatory rollbacks, suppression of science, preferential treatment,
and collusion with industry" -- including doctoring scientific findings
on the impacts of oil drilling on caribou. After resigning under the
cloud of ties to Jack Abramoff, she joined Shell Oil.
25. Lester Crawford -- After promising to act on the morning-after
contraceptive pill during his confirmation hearings, the former FDA
Commissioner "indefinitely postponed nonprescription sales of emergency
contraception over the objections of staff scientists who had declared
the pill safe." Crawford resigned after just two months on the job and
later pleaded guilty "to charges that he hid his ownership of stock in
food and drug companies that his agency regulated."
26. Harriet Miers -- Well-known for being Bush's failed Supreme Court
nominee, Miers also thought it was "important" to her as White House
Counsel that Rove protege Tim Griffin was installed as a U.S. Attorney,
making her a central figure in the U.S. Attorney scandal. She is said to
have called Bush "the most brilliant man she had ever met."
27. Hans Von Spakovsky -- Originally a political appointee in the Civil
Rights Division of the Justice Department, Spakovsky "injected partisan
political factors into decision-making" and used every opportunity "to
make it difficult for voters -- poor, minority and Democratic -- to go
to the polls." In 2008, Spakovsky withdrew his name from consideration
for the FEC, following months of opposition from lawmakers and civil
rights groups.
28. Tommy Franks -- As head of U.S. Central Command from 2000 to 2003,
Franks oversaw Osama bin Laden's great escape from Afghanistan, gave
orders for the stabilization of Iraq via PowerPoint, assumed that the
U.S. would draw down to 25,000 troops by the end of 2004, and had
American soldiers stand idly by as chaos and lawlessness took hold after
the invasion.
29. Thomas Scully -- As chief administrator for the Center for Medicare
and Medicaid Services, Scully was the White House's head negotiator on
the Medicare prescription drug bill. Scully threatened to fire chief
actuary Richard Foster if he revealed that Bush's Medicare Part D
legislation "would cost 25% to 50% more than the Bush administration's
public estimates."
30. Julie MacDonald -- A top Interior Department appointee, MacDonald
"interjected herself personally and profoundly" and "tainted nearly
every decision made on the protection of endangered species" over a
five-year period, intimidating the staff with "abrupt and abrasive, if
not abusive" tactics. MacDonald also leaked government documents to a
young acquaintance whom she met while playing "internet role-playing games."
31. William Haynes -- As the former general counsel at the Defense
Department, he was part of a five-person team of high-level
administration lawyers, dubbed the "War Council," that tossed the Geneva
Conventions aside and hatched out the legal framework for torture in
secret meetings.
32. David Safavian -- Safavian was (twice) tried and convicted for his
role in the jack Abramoff scandal. Safavian was found guilty of "lying
and obstructing justice" in an attempt to cover-up "his many efforts to
assist Abramoff in acquiring two properties controlled by the GSA."
33. James Connaughton -- As chairman of the White House Council of
Environmental Quality, Connaughton wrote EPA press releases downplaying
the danger of the air quality in lower Manhattan following 9/11. "A
former lobbyist for utilities, mining, chemical, and other industrial
polluters," Connaughton insisted "there's a lot of disagreement" about
humans' impact on global warming, and he touted a bogus study purporting
to show that the 20th century was not unusually warm.
34. William Luti -- A former Navy officer and Cheney aide, Luti was
dispatched to the Pentagon in 2001 to work underneath Feith to find
"evidence" to support his boss's belief in conspiracy theories linking
Saddam to al Qaeda. Luti was an integral component of Cheney's campaign
to pressure intelligence professionals to conform their judgments to
administration policy rather than reality.
35. Susan Orr -- As Assistant Deputy Secretary for Population Affairs,
this former Family Research Council official oversaw funding for the
only federal program that provided contraceptive services to low-income
Americans. Orr cheered Bush's anti-contraception record, saying,
"Fertility is not a disease. It's not a medical necessity that you have
[contraception]."
36. Christopher Cox -- Under Chairman Cox, the Securities and Exchange
Commission censored internal reports showing that it ignored critical
signs pointing to Wall Street's meltdown. Cox's SEC also failed to
detect Bernie Madoff's $50 billion Ponzi scheme, despite a decade of
warnings.
37. Elliott Abrams -- An Iran-Contra convict pardoned by Bush 41, Abrams
was named by Bush 43 as the Special Assistant to the President and
Senior Director for Democracy, Human Rights, and International
Operations. As a founding Project for a New American Century signatory
and a staunchly pro-Israel neoconservative, Abrams supported expanding
Israel's 2006 bombing of Lebanon into Syria and advocated a Fatah coup
after Hamas won the February 2006 Palestinian elections.
38. Philip Cooney -- A former oil lobbyist who served as chief of staff
of the White House Council on Environmental Quality, Cooney doctored
climate reports to "soften" words and phrases linking greenhouse gas
emissions to global warming. After his political interference was
revealed, Cooney left the White House to become a lobbyist for Exxon.
39. Colin Powell -- Though Bush called him "an American hero" when he
appointed him to be the first African-American Secretary of State,
Powell placed an ugly "blot" on his record when he pushed the Bush
administration's faulty case for the Iraq war in a speech to the U.N. on
Feb.5, 2003, using inaccurate information. Liberal hawks and the media
rallied around Powell's false case, calling it the "winning hand" for war.
40. Elaine Chao -- The Labor Secretary made it through all eight years
of the Bush administration, driving morale at the Labor Department so
low that staffers threw a "good-riddance party" to cheer her departure.
She leaves behind a "deeply troubled department" that "spent eight years
attacking workers' rights, strong workplace health and safety rules, and
unions while they carried the water for Big Business."
41. Julie Myers -- After being hired as head of Immigration and Customs
Enforcement based on little more than her personal connections, Myers
made herself famous by awarding "Most Original Costume" to an employee
who dressed up in blackface and a prison costume for Halloween. She was
also heavily criticized for conducting politically-motivated immigration
raids.
42. Wade Horn -- As Assistant Secretary for Community Initiatives at the
Department of Health and Human Services, Horn funneled millions of
tax-payer dollars into right-wing abstinence-only programs. Shortly
before he resigned, it was revealed that he had given nearly $1 million
"to the National Fatherhood Initiative (NFI), where he was the president
for at least three years until joining the Bush administration in 2001."
43. George Deutsch -- As a young, inexperienced press officer for NASA,
Deutsch "told public affairs workers to limit reporters' access to a top
climate scientist and told a Web designer to add the word 'theory' at
every mention of the Big Bang." He resigned in 2006 after it was
discovered he had lied on his resume, falsely claiming that he had a
journalism degree from Texas A&M.
Dishonorable Mentions: Bush appointees who didn't quite make the list
included a child pornography aficionado, a patron of hookers, a
shoplifter, a mail fraudster, an operator of an illegal horse gambling
ring, and a CIA official who took bribes in the form of prostitutes.
bozak
there are literally 1000's of these cretins...
Nunya Bidnits
<plonk>
Nunya Bidnits
<plonk>
Nunya Bidnits
Nunya Bidnits
Nunya Bidnits
skep...@aol.com
> >>news:Xns9C109ABE898DBde...@130.133.1.4...
> >>> "skepti...@aol.com" <skepti...@aol.com> wrote in news:74e2f184-4dd4-
> >>> 4fef-9dfc-f5c82a31a...@c7g2000prc.googlegroups.com:
>
44. NZD, a brat conservative Internet poster who supports the US war
of aggression in Afghanistan
and routinely says grandiose statements about Muslims.
Dewey
news:69ace084-df71-4a5a...@g3g2000pra.googlegroups.com:
> On May 19, 1:16�pm, Dewey <dewey3kNOS...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> PeterL <po.n...@gmail.com> wrote
>> innews:07403a69-de19-4147-9bbb-5bf9d06c8
For my money the simple fact that Michelle Malkin, Glenn Beck, Bill
O'Reilley, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity are all shitting bricks means
Obama is doing a great job.
Look, this country was heading for a black hole at 0.9C when Obama took
office. He fired some retrorockets and now we're slowing down. But it
takes time to come to a full stop in space before you can change
direction completely. The sheer mass of damage Bush did to this country
had so much inertia that just slowing down takes tremendous effort. I am
willing to give BO a lot more time than 3.5 months.
That said, there are few things that really do disappoint me. One is
BO's support for this credit card bill that punishes people who pay
their bills on time and in good faith. The other is his support of the
BUsh aministration in the FOIA lawsuits against the Office of
Administration. I think 78% of Americans want to see those e-mails and
we should see them. Covering them up is just wrong and BO is wrong not
to reverse policy on this.
Also, I'd love to get out of IRaq faster but I realize that just won't
happen. I'd also love to get out of Afghanistan but he did promise to
expand the Af/Pak war and there is a lot of public support for that from
both dems and reps. Hopefully this will not turn into another quagmire
and, if it does, hopefully he won't be such a blind ideologue that he
won't see it and get us moving out. Only time will tell.
Bottom line: we are 100% better off right now than we were 5 months ago
and 300% better off than if McSame had won.
Dewey
news:guva9e$kq2$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
> PeterL wrote:
>> On May 19, 1:16 pm, Dewey <dewey3kNOS...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> PeterL <po.n...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> innews:07403a69-de19-4147-9bbb-
5bf9d0...@d19g2000prh.googlegroups.
>>> com:
But it's the fringes on both sides that are in agreement so if you want
to call half of them nutjobs, then what are the other half that agree
with them
> but hey, you enjoy your moronic place in the middle and keep thinking
> you are doing something sane...
>
Extremism is bad no matter which way it goes.
Dewey
news:guvgqq$82j$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
I'll just point out that Gates is turning out to be far more supportive
of BO's policies than I would have expected.
and watching him continuously move the goal posts
> back on iraq, make a bigger war in afghanistan, keeping open
You apparently expect him to be a "my way or the highway" kind of
president - like Bush - instead of seeking compromise.
> ridiculous cabinet positions like an office for faith based money give
> aways, not willing to prosecute war criminals, his ridiculous backing
> of the money giveaways without any restrictions whatsoever... not to
> mention him backing fisa after saying he wouldnt just to win votes and
> the massaging of ronald rayguns dead cock as well...
>
> why dont the obama lovers understand these things???
>
I can't speak for Obama lovers but I certainly understand them. But as
I've said elsewhere, when you are heading for the cliff at 90 mpg, you
need to start slowing down before you can turn or else you will skid
right off the edge. Why can't *you* see that?
Dewey
@flpi145.ffdc.sbc.com:
> Engaging Usenet Stealth Moronatron,,,
>
> <plonk>
>
Right back at ya' numbnuts.
skep...@aol.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are immoral crimes agasinst humanity
run by psychopaths, mass murderers and sadists. Quagmire? You mean you
hope the United Snakes succeeds in enslaving the region. Fuck that!
George Bush never stole 18 trillion. Obomber's administration as is a
disaster every bit as bad as Bush years, stealing money transfering
upwards to the elite on the largest scale in human history. We are the
same as 5 months ago, only now liberals are dupes and blinded by some
PR, smiles and psychological tricks. Obama is our class enemy and an
vicious enemy to the people of the world.
levi
> Chim Chim wrote:
> > <skepti...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:74e2f184-4dd4-4fef...@c7g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
> >> Buyers Remorse
>
> >> Is It Too Late To Swap Obama For McCain?
>
>
> No. All these lists are ignoring the stuff that did get reported as "in
> a reversal of the Bush administration policy"....
>
> Like SCHIP, and health care funding for children including states that
> had their own health care programs which were excluded under Bush.
> Stem cell research funding... US anti-trust policy restoring a policy
> that led to the real antitrust suits against Microsoft and Intel under
> Clinton.
> Reinstated independent scientific review on endangered species.
> Reversed financing restrictions for federal funding for family planning
> to the United Nations Population Fund... Ex-Im and OPIC ordered to
> settle bushie fought cases in favor of environmentalists to stop
> financing polluters offshore that would not be allowed here. Stopped is
> funding by Ex-Im of a coal-fired plant in China, a pipeline from Chad to
> Cameroon, and oil and natural gas projects in Russia, Mexico, Venezuela
> and Indonesia. In a reversal of Bush's carbon emissions policy the EPA
> is allowed to declare that carbon emissions posed a threat to public
> health.
> Ordered the closure of the CIA's network of foreign "ghost" prisons.
>
> And there is still a huge diference between Obama's revised 'getting out
> of Iraq" plan and McCain's occupy them for 100 years..
>
>
>
> > McCain is not a conservative and does what's right for washingington & his
> > colleagues, not what's right for the country.
>
> McCain would have been tightly controlled by the extreme wing of his
> party. The Mccain of 2000 would not have voted for the 2008 version...
> Obama will not be controlled by the extreme wing of the dems, apparently
> much to most of our amazements and disappointment. =)
I'm glad you keep setting the record straight, Laurel.
(ngs trimmed to asbnll)
bozak
its unreal that you deal with science...
so in branden world, 2 + 2 = 4 for democrats, but for republikkkons it
obviously equals something else...
your tired unintellectual attempts to associate anyone that doesnt agree
with you as being on the fringe is nothing more than a dishonesty... its
the same thing the repukkkes do that you supposedly hate so... but then
again you watch their shows so i guess you cant help but emulate them...
sad...
>
>> but hey, you enjoy your moronic place in the middle and keep thinking
>> you are doing something sane...
>>
> Extremism is bad no matter which way it goes.
just because you say not agreeing with obama is extremism only shows how
shallow you truly are... look in the mirror, youre no different that the 21%'s
that thought bush could do no wrong...
now the shoe is on the other foot and its left wing nutjobs who spew the
demo party line no matter what...
american government is a fucking hopeless situation because of people like
you...
bozak
yeah, gee, obushma's leave iraq policy is exactly the same as
the coup leaders leave iraq policy...
bfd...
>
>
> and watching him continuously move the goal posts
>> back on iraq, make a bigger war in afghanistan, keeping open
>
> You apparently expect him to be a "my way or the highway" kind of
> president - like Bush - instead of seeking compromise.
you expect him to right the wrongs of what has been done...
most defintely... apparently you dont...
>
>> ridiculous cabinet positions like an office for faith based money give
>> aways, not willing to prosecute war criminals, his ridiculous backing
>> of the money giveaways without any restrictions whatsoever... not to
>> mention him backing fisa after saying he wouldnt just to win votes and
>> the massaging of ronald rayguns dead cock as well...
>>
>> why dont the obama lovers understand these things???
>>
> I can't speak for Obama lovers but I certainly understand them. But as
> I've said elsewhere, when you are heading for the cliff at 90 mpg, you
> need to start slowing down before you can turn or else you will skid
> right off the edge. Why can't *you* see that?
if you are heading for a cliff at 90 mph slowing down could have you
going over anyway... a sane person probably isnt going to trust the
mechanicals of the vehicle and jump out if possible...
american government needs to jump out of all bushco policy
immediately...
how about some executive fucking orders from the executive in
command, and not shit just for show...
Izzy
>
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Dewey
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Why don't you dim bulbs just filter subs with "obama" in them?
Monica
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> Dewey wrote:
> > " bozak" <_____boz...@gmail.com_____> wrote in
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> >> mayner wrote:
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Will you white guys please stop crossposting to alt.native. Keep your
racism to yourself.
Nuclear Waste
"Dewey"
> Why don't you dim bulbs just filter subs with "obama" in them?
Perhaps because it is idiots they object to, and not Obama. Your method
precludes discussions they may wish to participate in, while theirs cuts
down the signal to noise ratio.
NW
Chainsaw
Hi Monica! How's your vagina today?
--
Renewable Energy = Homeland Security
Dewey
news:gv448i$ksa$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
You may be right but it sure seems that they are universally plonking
anyone posting in this thread no matter what opinion(s) they express or how
they express them.
bozak
> "Nuclear Waste" <myha...@mchsi.com> wrote in
> news:gv448i$ksa$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>>
>> "Dewey"
>>> Why don't you dim bulbs just filter subs with "obama" in them?
>>
>> Perhaps because it is idiots they object to, and not Obama. Your
>> method precludes discussions they may wish to participate in, while
>> theirs cuts down the signal to noise ratio.
>>
> You may be right but it sure seems that they are universally plonking
> anyone posting in this thread no matter what opinion(s) they express or how
> they express them.
tRaider fans, what few of them are left...
eh warped??? :-)
Chainsaw
Hi Monica! How's your vagina today?
Monica
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With a man of color in the white house we now have a chance to undo
all the idiocy that the white presidents have done to this country and
the world.
Find your penis yet? Is the white man's too small that you lost it?
Will you racist whites stop crossposting your racist comments about
Obama. We now have a chance with a non white intelligent human being
in office.
Dewey
news:bf4e9299-b388-4137...@d2g2000pra.googlegroups.com:
Interesting. ANd you accused others of being racist.
> Find your penis yet? Is the white man's too small that you lost it?
>
Interesting. And you accused others of being racist.
> Will you racist whites stop crossposting your racist comments about
> Obama. We now have a chance with a non white intelligent human being
> in office.
>
I see. Only racist non-whites can post in Monica-world. Fuck you Monica.
You give all non-whites a bad name.
*PLONK*
Monica
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Native American
Genocide Still Haunts
United States
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By Leah Trabich
Cold Spring Harbor High School
New York, USA
In the past, the main thrust of the Holocaust/Genocide Project's
magazine, An End To Intolerance, has been the genocides that occurred
in history and outside of the United States. Still, what we mustn't
forget is that mass killing of Native Americans occurred in our own
country. As a result, bigotry and racial discrimination still exist.
"In 1492, Columbus sailed the ocean blue" . . . and made the first
contact with the "Indians." For Native Americans, the world after 1492
would never be the same. This date marked the beginning of the long
road of persecution and genocide of Native Americans, our indigenous
people. Genocide was an important cause of the decline for many
tribes.
"By conservative estimates, the population of the United states prior
to European contact was greater than 12 million. Four centuries later,
the count was reduced by 95% to 237 thousand.
In 1493, when Columbus returned to the Hispaniola, he quickly
implemented policies of slavery and mass extermination of the Taino
population of the Caribbean. Within three years, five million were
dead. Las Casas, the primary historian of the Columbian era, writes of
many accounts of the horrors that the Spanish colonists inflicted upon
the indigenous population: hanging them en mass, hacking their
children into pieces to be used as dog feed, and other horrid
cruelties. The works of Las Casas are often omitted from popular
American history books and courses because Columbus is considered a
hero by many, even today.
Mass killing did not cease, however, after Columbus departed.
Expansion of the European colonies led to similar genocides. "Indian
Removal" policy was put into action to clear the land for white
settlers. Methods for the removal included slaughter of villages by
the military and also biological warfare. High death rates resulted
from forced marches to relocate the Indians.
The Removal Act of 1830 set into motion a series of events which led
to the "Trail of Tears" in 1838, a forced march of the Cherokees,
resulting in the destruction of most of the Cherokee population." The
concentration of American Indians in small geographic areas, and the
scattering of them from their homelands, caused increased death,
primarily because of associated military actions, disease, starvation,
extremely harsh conditions during the moves, and the resulting
destruction of ways of life.
During American expansion into the western frontier, one primary
effort to destroy the Indian way of life was the attempts of the U.S.
government to make farmers and cattle ranchers of the Indians. In
addition, one of the most substantial methods was the premeditated
destructions of flora and fauna which the American Indians used for
food and a variety of other purposes. We now also know that the
Indians were intentionally exposed to smallpox by Europeans. The
discovery of gold in California, early in 1848, prompted American
migration and expansion into the west. The greed of Americans for
money and land was rejuvenated with the Homestead Act of 1862. In
California and Texas there was blatant genocide of Indians by non-
Indians during certain historic periods. In California, the decrease
from about a quarter of a million to less than 20,000 is primarily due
to the cruelties and wholesale massacres perpetrated by the miners and
early settlers. Indian education began with forts erected by Jesuits,
in which indigenous youths were incarcerated, indoctrinated with non-
indigenous Christian values, and forced into manual labor. These
children were forcibly removed from their parents by soldiers and many
times never saw their families until later in their adulthood. This
was after their value systems and knowledge had been supplanted with
colonial thinking. One of the foundations of the U.S. imperialist
strategy was to replace traditional leadership of the various
indigenous nations with indoctrinated "graduates" of white "schools,"
in order to expedite compliance with U.S. goals and expansion.
Probably one of the most ruinous acts to the Indians was the
disappearance of the buffalo. For the Indians who lived on the Plains,
life depended on the buffalo. At the beginning of the nineteenth
century, there were an estimated forty million buffalo, but between
1830 and 1888 there was a rapid, systematic extermination culminating
in the sudden slaughter of the only two remaining Plain herds. By
around 1895, the formerly vast buffalo populations were practically
extinct. The slaughter occurred because of the economic value of
buffalo hides to Americans and because the animals were in the way of
the rapidly westward expanding population. The end result was
widescale starvation and the social and cultural disintegration of
many Plains tribes.
Genocide entered international law for the first time in 1948; the
international community took notice when Europeans (Jews, Poles, and
other victims of Nazi Germany) faced cultural extinction. The
"Holocaust" of World War II came to be the model of genocide. We, as
the human race, must realize, however, that other genocides have
occurred. Genocide against many particular groups is still widely
happening today. The discrimination of the Native American population
is only one example of this ruthless destruction.
Credits: Sharon Johnston, The Genocide of Native Americans: A
Sociological View, 1996.
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Access the HGP's An End to Intolerance Web page.
Access the Holocaust/Genocide Project's Home Page.
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Monica
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Mohammed Daud Miraki, MA, MA, PhD
Director Afghan DU & Recovery Fund
When Bush jr. said, "we will smoke them out…" he lived up to his
promise, making life an unattainable reality for the unborn and
unsustainable reality for the living sentencing the Afghan people and
their future generations to a predetermined death sentence.
"After the Americans destroyed our village and killed many of us, we
also lost our houses and have nothing to eat. However, we would have
endured these miseries and even accepted them, if the Americans had
not sentenced us all to death. When I saw my deformed grandson, I
realized that my hopes of the future have vanished for good, different
from the hopelessness of the Russian barbarism, even though at that
time I lost my older son Shafiqullah. This time, however, I know we
are part of the invisible genocide brought on us by America, a silence
death from which I know we will not escape." (Jooma Khan of Laghman
province, March 2003)
These words were uttered by an aggrieved Afghan grandfather, who saw
his own and that of others' familial extinction at the hands of the
United States of America and her allies. Another Afghan, who also saw
his demise, said:
"I realized this slow, yet certain death, when I saw blood in my urine
and developed severe pain in my kidneys along with breathing problems
I never had before. Many of my family members started to complain from
confusion and the pregnant women miscarried their babies while others
gave birth to disabled infants" (Akbar Khan from Paktika province,
February 2003)
The perpetuation of the perpetual death in Afghanistan continues with
the passage of each day. Every day, people see the silent death
striking their families and friends, hopeless and terrified at the
sight of the next funeral in their minds' eyes. This indiscriminate
murder of the Afghan people continues while those, whose tax money
paid for the monstrous weapons and brought about this genocide pretend
as though all is well. The horrific pictures of those dying--whose
bodies do not correlate to their age since they have internalized so
much uranium dust that it impacted the morphology of their bodies--
remain in the memories of those still living who are fearfully waiting
for their turn of disaster. The pregnant women are afraid from giving
birth to babies--horrified to see a deformity instead of a healthy
child. This is the legacy of the US "liberation", an indiscriminate
murder of the weak and the unarmed that do not have any means of self-
defense. In fact, there is no defensive measure against such Weapons
of Mass Destruction because these deadly particles of uranium oxide--
the dust formed after uranium pulverizes upon impacting a target--
remain in soil, water and cover the surface of vegetation for
generations to come.
When a US bomb or that of her allies landed on an Afghan village or
town, the land and its people have become part of the deadly legacy of
silent death. This death sentence is different from any other type
because in this type death sentence all the people, their land and
future generations are condemned to an inescapable genocide. The
tragedy that makes this state of affairs so dreadful is the
unavoidably invisible threat that targets everyone indiscriminately.
Moreover, the threat has become endemic to the fiber of existence,
contaminated the land, water and its inhabitants. In fact, when Bush
jr. said, "we will smoke them out…" he lived up to his promise, making
life an unattainable reality for the unborn and unsustainable reality
for the living, hence, sentencing Afghan people and their future
generations to a predetermined death sentence.
The true extent of this disaster is unfolding as time goes by. In
light of the continuous revelations about the quantity and types of
weapons used in Afghanistan, the worse has not fully materialized.
Everyday, US AC 130 gunships, A-10s and B 52s bomb Afghan villages and
towns at each turn when a unit of US troops encounter resistance.
Consequently, not only, the perpetual death continues but rather,
every round of depleted uranium is one additional nail in the
collective coffin of the Afghan people.
The usage of great number of munitions and armaments dropped by US
jets resulted in upsurge of various health problems weeks into 2002.
This pattern is different from that experienced by the Iraqi after the
first Gulf War where it took years for many of the birth defects,
deformities and other health conditions to surface. This points to the
enormity of uranium weapons used in Afghanistan, a fact, illustrated
by many investigators world wide, notably Dai Williams in England, and
Dr. Durakovic from the Uranium Medical Research Center in Canada, and
Dr. Marc Herald in the United States among others. Furthermore,
various international newspapers and media outlets notably Le Monde
Diplomatique, Guardian, Frontier Post, BBC, CBC, Al Jazeera among
others have reported the types of weapon systems used against Afghan
targets--villages, towns--and mountain cave complexes. According to
the BBC (April 10, 2002), more than 6600 J-dam bombs were dropped on
Afghanistan. On October 2002, Boston Globe also reported:
"In contrast with older weapons, the new generation finds its way with
advances such as target-elevation data and satellite signals. The JDAM
already has proven itself in Afghanistan. By February [2002],
commanders had dropped 6,600 JDAMs, consultants estimate - so many
that stockpiles ran low and officials had to scramble up more
production from a Missouri factory."
By October 2002, the first anniversary of US invasion of Afghanistan,
more than 10000 tons of bombs landed on Afghan soil. (Socialist Worker
Online, October 11, 2002) Imagine the magnitude of carnage and
contamination caused by such barbarism. While another report by Kate
Randall on December 2001, put the number of US bombed dropped at
12000:
"Since the US launched the war on Afghanistan October 7, more than
12,000 US bombs have been dropped on the country. According to the
Pentagon, about 60 percent of these bombs have been precision-guided
by satellite or laser technology. However, many of these bombs–dropped
by B-52s and other aircraft from tens of thousands of feet in the air–
have strayed off course, hitting civilian targets." (WSWS, December
29, 2001)
In another report, a year after September 11, 2001, Matt Kelley of the
Associated Press put the US munitions statistics as follows:
"U.S. and coalition airplanes have conducted more than 21,000 flights
over Afghanistan, dropping more than 20,000 munitions. About 60
percent of the ordnance dropped on Afghanistan has been precision
guided, the highest percentage in any conflict."
Similarly the Guardian reported on April 10, 2002:
"More than 22,000 weapons - ranging from cruise missiles to heavy fuel-
air bombs - have been dropped on the country over the past six
months…. US pilots dropped more than 6,600 joint direct attack
munitions (J-dams), the satellite-guided bombs… One in four bombs and
missiles dropped by the US on Afghanistan may have missed its target"
The new generations of hard target weapons whose warheads are made of
dense metal have contributed to the heavy contamination of land, water
and general population.
The following munitions have been deployed in bombing the poorest
country of the world, Afghanistan:
Smart Bombs
Guided Missiles
Sub-munitions
GBU-15 Y
AGM-86D CALCM Y
BLU-97B cluster bomb Y
GBU-24 Y
AGM-130C Y
GBU-27 Y
AGM-142 Hav Nap Y
GBU-28 B/B Y
AGM-154C JSOW 154
P
GBU-31 JDAM Y
AGM-158 JASSM P
GBU-32 JDAM Y
BGM-109 Tactical Tomahawk P
GBU-37 B/B Y
Storm Shadow / SCALP P
SSB P
Y = reported use P = prototype testing expected
The patent information of many of these munitions point to the usage
of dense metal--depleted uranium, non-depleted uranium, or Tungsten,
the latter is not likely since it costs more and is difficult to
manufacture. Tungsten is more expensive than depleted uranium, which
is in abundance. The world uranium industry has over one million tons
of depleted uranium to dispose of. Tungsten is also difficult to
manufacture because is 1.75 times harder than uranium and tungsten has
a much higher melting point, (U = 1132 Celsius, W = 3422 Celsius).
Moreover, depleted uranium is also effective as incendiary device
since it burns fiercely in air. As incendiary weapon, it could ignite
munitions inside tanks and burn underground weapon and fuel storage
facilities and would serve effective in destroying chemical and
biological agents in underground facilities. The suitability of
uranium whether depleted or non-depleted is further reinforced by the
claims of the Uranium Medical Research Center (UMRC):
"By the DOD’s own admission, the best performing metal that
consistently fits these functional military profiles is uranium and
alloys of uranium. Titanium and tungsten are not suitable as the prime
alloy base for these purposes. Uranium (whether NDU or DU) offers
unique structural features and the chemistry best suited for the
defeat of deep, bunkerized targets, multiple types of targets in area
denial munitions, and penetrating composite ceramic and metal armoured
[sic] targets."
"Uranium can be engineered to be "self-sharpening" so that when it
hits a target, it retains its punching point as material erodes off
the warhead (titanium and tungsten will not do this). Uranium’s
molecular structure can re-formed, using metallurgical and "nano-
technologies" to deliver a selected range of ballistic features,
including kinetic, thermal, pyrophoric, liquid metal and high-pressure/
high-heat, plasma effects. Uranium is a readily available metal, cheap
to produce and is in abundance in DOE’s, DOD’s and their weapon’s
contractors’ stockpiles."
Based on these favorable military characteristics including low cost,
it is logical to use uranium than tungsten. With this mind, the
following patent information would further shed light on the
composition of these DU based munitions: These extracts are from the
works of renowned independent DU researcher Dai Williams http://www.eoslifework.co.uk
"Patent 6389977 (Shrouded Aerial Bomb) clearly identifies Depleted
Uranium as an intended design option for the hard target guided bombs
most widely used in Afghanistan - upgraded versions of the 2,000 lb.
BLU-109/B hard target warhead with the AUP-116 advanced penetrator.
These include versions of the GBU-15, 24 and 31 and the AGM-130C."
In light of the advantages of uranium over tungsten, exploring the
following US patent table should further put to rest any doubts about
the deadly composition of those weapons that turned Afghanistan
uninhabitable wasteland.
The extracts in the following table are presented by Dai Williams and
could be on the following web-site http://www.eoslifework.co.uk/u23.htm#USpatreport
Table A: US Patents with direct references to Uranium or Depleted
Uranium DU
US Patent Number
Date
Title and extracts from patent specifications
4,638,737
June 28, 1985
A missile for defeating active armor1 of a target as set forth in
claim 3, wherein said primary warhead is made of a heavy metal
selected from tungsten carbide and uranium ore…
… these subcaliber warheads are preferably kinetic energy warheads
that are referred to as flechettes and are made of heavy material such
as depleted uranium or tungsten
carbide
5,542,354
July 20, 1995
Segmenting warhead projectile
The warhead of claim 2 wherein said first housing and said second
housing are independently each selected from the group consisting of
iron, steel, tungsten, tantalum, depleted uranium and alloys
thereof ... Other metals useful for the frangible first housing
include tungsten, tantalum, depleted uranium and alloys thereof.
5,691,502
June 5, 1995
Low velocity radial deployment with
predetermined pattern
The invention can be employed in an interceptor missile for the
purpose of increasing the area of potential impact with a target. Each
lethality enhancing object (28) is preferably fabricated from
a dense metal. While any suitable dense metal can be employed, metals
having a density of at least 15 gm/cc are presently preferred, e.g.,
tantalum, tungsten, rhenium, uranium, etc.
The higher densities permit a greater mass in a given volume or the
same mass in a smaller volume, thereby enhancing the impact force of a
lethality enhancing object….
6,389,977
Dec 11, 1997
Shrouded Aerial Bomb [BLU-109/B and variants]
This is definitive patent for the outer casing of the upgraded GUB-15,
24,27, 31 and AGM-
130C warheads. The shroud contains the AUP-116 advanced penetrator.
This patent specifically identifies BOTH Tungsten AND Depleted Uranium
penetrator versions
Claims:
1….
…
5. The shrouded aerial bomb as claimed in claim 1, wherein
the penetrating body is formed of depleted uranium.
Since 1997, the US has been modifying and upgrading its munitions
enhancing their penetrability by using dense metal as the following
quote further exposes:
"Since 1997 the United States has been modifying and upgrading its
missiles and guided (smart) bombs. Prototypes of these bombs were
tested in the Kosovo mountains in 1999, but a far greater range has
been tested in Afghanistan. The upgrade involves replacing a
conventional warhead by a heavy, dense metal one. Calculating the
volume and the weight of this mystery metal leads to two possible
conclusions: it is either tungsten or depleted uranium." Le Monde
diplomatique March 2002
"The DU explosive charges in the guided bomb systems used in
Afghanistan can weigh as much as one and a half metric tons (as in
Raytheon's Bunker Buster - GBU-28)" Le Monde March 2002
The usage of new generation weapons was also confirmed by the Uranium
Medical Research Center (UMRC):
"Independent research and publicly available documentation of NATO and
US weapons’ development programs hinted at or noted directly that non-
fissionable (non-thermal nuclear) uranium weapons (including DU)
development programs are still underway. Sources include: military
research laboratories and sub-contract research & development
programs; the US Science Based Stockpile Stewardship Program; the
Federation of American Scientists; veterans’ reports; and, the annual
reports and advertising of independent weapons contractors. US
military health warnings to OEF [Operation Enduring Freedom] personnel
indicate the presence of radiological contaminants; recommending
troops take protection measures. OEF’s forward targeting personnel,
Special Forces and post-bombing, site inspection teams have been given
radiation protection instructions, radiation detectors and protective
equipment prior to and since entering Afghanistan."
It continues:
"The U.S. DBHT (Deeply Buried Hard Target) Project, aimed at
developing weapons to destroy biological, nuclear and chemical weapons
storage and manufacturing facilities in rogue states; and, the US
Strategic Military Plan and US Nuclear Posture Review expresses
intentions to use new classes of weapons in Afghanistan and other
states. This program was known to be accelerating its weapons
development and experiments in readiness for a possible Iraqi
incursion. The White House and US-DOD spoke frequently about the
development and use of fission, low-yield and non-fission, seismic
bunker- and cave-busters. These weapons, by design, require heavy
ballast and narrow diameter casings that can drive deeply into the
earth or through super-reinforced military targets, tough enough to
withstand high velocity impacts before they reach detonation depth."
UMRC articulates the difference of these weapons with those of the
first Gulf War:
"These new generations of weapons and the targets for which they are
designed dictate specific features and functions: They are designed as
"self-forging" and capable of punching through multi-layered, extra-
reinforced, hardened-targets. They must be able to defeat 14 to 20
feet of heavily reinforced concrete. Unlike the Gulf War DU armour
[sic] defeat penetrators, these new warheads would be used in
conjunction with high explosive charges and or high-pressure, shaped
charges and delayed-action detonators."
In addition to the bombs and rockets, the US air force relies heavily
on AC-130 flying gunships which are equipped with the 25 mm GAU-12
Gatling gun (1,800 rounds per minute) with DU ammunition further
adding to the contamination of the environment and misery of the poor
people of Afghanistan. Furthermore, US ground forces also rely heavily
on A-10 'tank killer' that uses 30 mm rounds of depleted uranium
ammunitions. These two weapon systems contribute on daily basis to the
misery of the people there.
This disaster will haunt Afghan children, women and men for
generations to come. Dr. Michael H. Repacholi of the World Health
Organization reported:
"DU [deleted uranium] is released from fired weapons in the form of
small particles that may be inhaled, ingested or remain in the
environment."
He added further:
"Children rather than adults may be considered to be more at risk of
DU exposure when returning to normal activities within a war zone
through contaminated food and water, since typical hand-to-mouth
activity of inquisitive play could lead to high DU ingestion from
contaminated soil." (The Laissez Faire City Times, Vol 5, No 44,
October 29, 2001}
At the defense department briefing, Dr. Ross Anthony, from the Rand
Corporation had said the following about depleted uranium:
"The kidney is the part that is the most susceptible." (The Laissez
Faire City Times, Vol 5, No 44, October 29, 2001}
Steve Fetter and Frank von Hippel wrote in the Bulletin of the Atomic
Scientists (1999)
"Radiation doses for soldiers with embedded fragments of depleted
uranium may be troublesome…The ground the DU-contaminated plumes
passed over would be coated with a thin layer of DU dust, some of
which would be later kicked up by wind and human activity. ...The
munitions could deposit a layer of [depleted uranium] dust on crops
that could be eaten directly by humans or by animals later consumed by
humans. …However, rough estimates suggest that the cancer risk from
consumption of contaminated produce would be less than from
inhalation"
What this translates into is more deformities, diseases and deaths for
the poor Afghans. As I also stated in my previous report
http://www.rense.com/general35/perp.htm, it took on average 5 years
for various deformities to emerge in Iraq after the first Gulf War,
however, in Afghanistan, people started to complain from various
health problems within weeks of the initial bombing. This means only
one thing, the magnitude of uranium based weapons used in Afghanistan
is much higher than that in Iraq during the first Gulf War. This fact
is reinforced by the news that in the first few months of the bombing
more 6,600 J-dams/smart bombs have been dropped on Afghanistan, making
the size of the uranium contamination much higher than in Iraq during
the first Gulf War.
The emergence of excessive health problems increased curiosity and
concerns among scientists worldwide of the usage of depleted uranium.
The first scientific undertaking was led by the Uranium Medical
Research Center (UMRC) which consisted of two consecutive trips to
JalalAbad and Kabul. The preliminary findings by the UMRC research
teams concluded:
"Radiological measurements of the uranium concentrations in Afghan
civilians’ urine samples indicate abnormally high levels of non-
depleted uranium. Radiological measurements of Afghan civilians’ have
high concentrations of uranium in a range beginning at 4 X’s and
reaching to over 20 X’s normal populations. This is 400% to 2000%
higher than the study controls and normal population baselines of the
concentrations of nanograms of uranium per liter of urine in a 24-hour
sample."
"The isotopic ratios of the uranium contaminant measured in Afghan
civilians show that it is not Depleted Uranium (DU). The isotopes of
uranium found in the Afghan civilians’ urine is Non-Depleted
Uranium."
"UMRC investigated the possible origins of this contamination. The
preliminary results of the radiological urine analysis are
corroborated by radiological measurements of debris and weapons’
fragment samples at OEF (Operation Enduring Freedom) target sites and
bomb-craters."
"UMRC’s Field Team found several hundred civilians with acute symptoms
and reportedly developing, chronic symptoms of uranium internal
contamination (including congenital problems in newborns). All
subjects’ on-set of symptoms are reported to coincide with the
calendar dates of the bombing and were not present prior to the
bombing."
"Radiological measurements of any populations’ urine specimens
identify, as a standard practice, the abundance of each of the 3
naturally occurring isotopes of uranium (U234, 235, 238). These
isotopes’ abundances (quantities) are measured as a fraction of the
uranium released in a 24-hour sample of urine. The isotopic ratios
(proportions) of the uranium in the urine collected in Afghanistan has
the unmistakable signature of Non-Depleted Uranium. It does not
express the isotopic ratio of DU. Depleted Uranium and Non-depleted
Uranium are both species of uranium. UMRC is reporting the isotopic
signatures of the uranium found in the Afghan civilians’ urine." (UMRC
Preliminary Findings from Afghanistan & Operation Enduring Freedom,
http://www.umrc.net/AfghanistanOEF.asp)
The staff of UMRC communicated the following about Non-Depleted
Uranium:
"Actually, NDU, if it is "virgin uranium", is pure uranium extracted
from the feed stock at the pre-enrichment phase of either the fuel or
weapons development cycles and is significantly less expensive per ton
than DU. The gaseous diffusion and centrifuge processes of enriching
uranium require so much electrical power, they need dedicated power
production sources - some powered reactors have been constructed
simply to power up the enrichment process. They also are expensive
technologies to operate and capitalize. DU, being the by-product of
enrichment is by definition, much more expensive per ton since it had
to be processed through the enrichment phase."
After collecting samples of urine, soil from blast sites and
surrounding areas in Kabul and JalaAbad and other areas, UMRC carrying
out detailed scientific analysis of these samples and released their
findings on 21.05.2003, http://www.umrc.net/AfghanistanOEF.asp:
UMRC’s recent findings, May 2003, reveal a wider scope of human and
environmental contamination in Afghan civilians, corroborating the
November 2002 Jalalabad findings.
Jalalabad area: New reference levels based on recent collections of
samples and controls have revised the Jalalabad results upward to
uranium values 45 X’s normal.
New bioassay studies identify uranium internal contamination in Spin
Gar (Tora Bora) area and the City of Kabul are up to 200 X’s the
Reference Level of the unexposed population.
Surface water, rice fields and catch-basins adjacent to and
surrounding the bombsites have high values of uranium, up to 27 X’s
normal.
Low but as yet inconclusive readings of U236 have been identified by
the laboratory in some urine samples; further analysis is underway to
determine the metallurgical origins of the uranium with a
consideration of "commercial natural uranium" containing recycled
reactor spent fuel products.
Analyses of soils and debris collected inside OEF bomb craters and
target sites have uranium values 3 X’s to 6 X’s normal.
Surface soils surrounding the bombsites and downwind from ground-zero
are elevated close to 3 X’s reference levels.
Field and laboratory data show that samples with elevated uranium
levels, civilian health problems, and weapons exposure histories
correspond spatially and chronologically to ordnance deployed by
Operation Enduring Freedom.
Along the lines of the UMRC findings, I instructed two groups of field
surveyors to comb eastern and southeastern Afghanistan as well as
Kabul for effects on uranium on local populations, they have found
many dreadful conditions.
They targeted wide areas all over Afghanistan, however, the depth of
the contamination is situated in the Pashtun dominated areas, east,
southeast, south and southwestern Afghanistan. More then thousands
tons of non-depleted uranium along with depleted uranium (mostly from
A-10 and AC-130 Gatling guns) has been used by the US and her allies
against the defenseless people of Afghanistan.
The bulk of the contamination is in ToraBora, Bagram frontline--north
of Kabul, Shaikoot, Paktia, Paktika, Mazar-i-sharif, and Kundoz
frontline. (Field surveyors)
Data Collected by field surveyors:
Subsequent to the contamination, newborn children have physical
deformities and those that do not have physical deformity are
suffering from Mental Retardation. These cases are reported from
Paktia, Nanagrhar, Bagram, Mazar-e-Sharif and Kundoz.
As in my previous report, the survey team reported again that in
bombardments of ToraBora, Shaikoot and Bagram frontline large number
of antiaircraft weapons and rifles had melted.
During the bombardments of ToraBora, Bagram front lines, Kundoz and
Mazar-e-Sharif, many Taliban soldiers were seen with blood coming out
from their mouths, noses and ears. Meanwhile, those Taliban soldiers
who returned to their respective villages started to vomit blood and
had bloody stools. Subsequently, many have died from their conditions.
During bombardment of Kuram village, Surkhrod district of Nangarhar,
the village was completely destroyed and many peoples were killed
without any physical injuries.
After bombardment in Khost public health workers have reported some
skin lesions. Those that developed the skin lesions died after their
conditions were deteriorated.
In Pachir Wa Agam district near to ToraBora targeted area, women
started to suffer from a deadly condition. Several months after the
bombing, women of the area would become angry by petty things and that
anger turns into rage, which subsequently causes the women to collapse
and die. (Field Surveyors of the Afghan DU & Recovery Fund)
My team also reported that many children are born with no limbs, no
eyes, or tumors protruding out from their mouths and their eyes. The
following testimonies and photos--filmed in Iraq are used here to
exhibit the identical conditions of Afghan victims-- exhibit the
horrific conditions from which children in Afghanistan, similar to
those in Iraq, suffer from.
The father one of the children in Paktia said this about his child:
"When I saw my little boy with those monstrous red tumors, I thought
to myself, why is it difficult for Americans to understand that they
are hated in our country. If I do this to the child of an American
family, that family has the right to pull my eyes out of my eye
sockets. I like to tell the Americans that they love to live their
lives of luxury at the expense of our extermination" (Assadullah,
February 2003)
The father of one of the victims from Kundoz whose wife had given
birth to a deformed child that hardly resembled an infant said this to
our survey team in Kabul:
" My wife was pregnant and we were happily waiting for the moment to
see our second child. On the day of the delivery, my wife felt weird,
saying that she did not feel good and had pain in her abdomen. When
the baby was born, it was hardly a human. It looked as if some one had
beaten a baby and then covered its body with floors. My poor child
looked like someone has rolled it in a basket of floors. When my wife
saw the baby, she went into shock and died after 5 hours." (Zar Ghoon,
December, 2002)
The following picture exhibits the condition Zar Ghoon baby was born
with:
A man from ToraBora lost controlled of his emotions while chatting
with one of the field volunteers, screamed and posed a question and
continued:
"What else do the Americans want? They killed us, they turned our
newborns into horrific deformations, and they turned our farmlands
into graveyards and destroyed our homes. On top of all that their
planes fly over and spray us with bullets. We have nothing to lose; we
will fight against them the same way we fought the previous monster
[the former Soviet Union]" (Sa'yed Gharib, April 2003)
Most of the people that developed various health problems have died;
others suffer from conditions such as kidney disease/failure,
confusion, and loss of immunity and painful joints.
I wish to conclude this paper with the following quote from one of the
victims of the US bombing:
"Tell America, we are not fools. Your words and actions are those of
evil. We do not have airplanes like you do, however, we have one thing
that you do not have principles and morals. We will never do anything
remotely similar to American children what Americans have done to our
children and families. They might win some fights, but we have already
won the big fight, the moral ground." (Nurullah Omar-Khail, March,
2003)
Mohammed Daud Miraki, MA, MA, PhD
Director Afghan DU & Recovery Fund
Bank Account: TCF Bank
5516 N. Clark Street
Chicago, IL 60640
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It's a seemless transition between the right wing polices of George W.
Bush and the right wing polices Barrack Hussein Obama? Like the Sex
Pistols said on the occassion of their last concert during their
orginal tour: "It's a swindle: Ever feel like you're being cheated?"
Now it's time to talk about trying America's first Black President for
war crimes, crimes against humanity, torture, mass murder and High
Treason. Black people can be assholes too. Monica why was it that some
American Indians were expert in torture, a hundred years before
Columbus first visited the Americas? Why is it that some Indian tribes
destroyed the land and wiped out the game they were living on and had
to constantly move around because their traditional ways were not
sustanable? Native people can be assholes too.
Monica
> On May 21, 11:58 am, Chainsaw <n...@all.net> wrote:
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Quotations:
"The destruction of the Indians of the Americas was, far and away,
the most massive act of genocide in the history of the world." David
E. Stannard. 4
"This violent corruption needn't define us.... We can say, yes, this
happened, and we are ashamed. We repudiate the greed. We recognize and
condemn the evil. And we see how the harm has been perpetuated. But,
five hundred years later, we intend to mean something else in the
world." Barry Lopez. 3
"By then [1891] the native population had been reduced to 2.5% of its
original numbers and 97.5% of the aboriginal land base had been
expropriated....Hundreds upon hundreds of native tribes with unique
languages, learning, customs, and cultures had simply been erased from
the face of the earth, most often without even the pretense of justice
or law." Peter Montague 1
Overview:
The population of North America prior to the first sustained European
contact in 1492 CE is a matter of active debate. Various estimates of
the pre-contact Native population of the continental U.S. and Canada
range from 1.8 to over 12 million. 4 Over the next four centuries,
their numbers were reduced to about 237,000 as Natives were almost
wiped out. Author Carmen Bernand estimates that the Native population
of what is now Mexico was reduced from 30 million to only 3 million
over four decades. 13 Peter Montague estimates that Europeans once
ruled over 100 million Natives throughout the Americas.
European extermination of Natives started with Christopher Columbus'
arrival in San Salvador in 1492. Native population dropped
dramatically over the next few decades. Some were directly murdered by
Europeans. Others died indirectly as a result of contact with
introduced diseases for which they had no resistance -- mainly
smallpox, influenza, and measles.
Later European Christian invaders systematically murdered additional
Aboriginal people, from the Canadian Arctic to South America. They
used warfare, death marches, forced relocation to barren lands,
destruction of their main food supply -- the Buffalo -- and poisoning.
Some Europeans actually shot at Indians for target practice. 14
Oppression continued into the 20th century, through actions by
governments and religious organizations which systematically destroyed
Native culture and religious heritage. One present-day byproduct of
this oppression is suicide. Today, Canadian Natives have the highest
suicide rate of any identifiable population group in the world. Native
North Americans are not far behind.
The genocide against American Natives was one of the most massive, and
longest lasting genocidal campaigns in human history. It started, like
all genocides, with the oppressor treating the victims as sub-humans.
It continued until almost all Natives were wiped of the face of the
earth, along with much of their language, culture and religion.
We believe that:
Only the mass murder of European Jews by Christians from 306 to 1945
CE was of longer duration.
Only the mass murder by the government of the USSR of about 41
million of its citizens (1917 to 1987), and by the government of
China of about 35 million of its citizens (1949 to 1987) may have
involved greater loss of life.
The following essay contains only a small sampling of the horrendous
atrocities inflicted on Natives by Europeans.
Christopher Columbus:
"Christopher Columbus has been a genuine American hero since at least
1792 when the Society of St. Tammany in New York City first held a
dinner to honor the man and his deeds." Columbus Day has been
celebrated as a national holiday since 1934 in honor of this dedicated
and courageous explorer. Unfortunately, his character had a dark side.
Columbus described the Arawaks -- the Native people in the West Indies
-- as timid, artless, free, and generous. He rewarded them with death
and slavery. For his second voyage to the Americas:
"Columbus took the title 'Admiral of the Ocean Sea' and proceeded to
unleash a reign of terror unlike anything seen before or since. When
he was finished, eight million Arawaks -- virtually the entire native
population of Hispaniola -- had been exterminated by torture, murder,
forced labor, starvation, disease and despair." 1
A Spanish missionary, Bartolome de las Casas, described eye-witness
accounts of mass murder, torture and rape. 2 Author Barry Lopez,
summarizing Las Casas' report wrote:
"One day, in front of Las Casas, the Spanish dismembered, beheaded, or
raped 3000 people. 'Such inhumanities and barbarisms were committed in
my sight,' he says, 'as no age can parallel....' The Spanish cut off
the legs of children who ran from them. They poured people full of
boiling soap. They made bets as to who, with one sweep of his sword,
could cut a person in half. They loosed dogs that 'devoured an Indian
like a hog, at first sight, in less than a moment.' They used nursing
infants for dog food." 3
The Spaniards eventually went on to conquer Mexico and the southern
U.S.
The British:
The British occupied areas from Virginia northward. Hans Koning
wrote:
"From the beginning, the Spaniards saw the native Americans as natural
slaves, beasts of burden, part of the loot. When working them to death
was more economical than treating them somewhat humanely, they worked
them to death. The English, on the other hand, had no use for the
native peoples. They saw them as devil worshippers, savages who were
beyond salvation by the church, and exterminating them increasingly
became accepted policy." 5
David E. Stannard wrote:
"Hundreds of Indians were killed in skirmish after skirmish. Other
hundreds were killed in successful plots of mass poisoning. They were
hunted down by dogs, 'blood-Hounds to draw after them, and Mastives
[mastiffs] to seize them.' Their canoes and fishing weirs were
smashed, their villages and agricultural fields burned to the ground.
Indian peace offers were accepted by the English only until their
prisoners were returned; then, having lulled the natives into false
security, the colonists returned to the attack. It was the colonists'
expressed desire that the Indians be exterminated, rooted 'out from
being longer a people upon the face of the earth.' In a single raid
the settlers destroyed corn sufficient to feed four thousand people
for a year. Starvation and the massacre of non-combatants was becoming
the preferred British approach to dealing with the natives." 4
The Americans:
In the early 18th century, the states of Massachusetts, Connecticut,
and New Jersey promoted a genocide of their local Natives by imposing
a "scalp bounty" on dead Indians. "In 1703, Massachusetts paid 12
pounds for an Indian scalp. By 1723 the price had soared to 100
pounds." 10 Ward Churchill wrote: "Indeed, in many areas it [murdering
Indians] became an outright business." 6 This practice of paying a
bounty for Indian scalps continued into the 19th century before the
public put an end to the practice. 10
In the 18th century, George Washington compared them to wolves,
"beasts of prey" and called for their total destruction. 4 In 1814,
Andrew Jackson "supervised the mutilation of 800 or more Creek Indian
corpses" that his troops had killed. 6
Extermination of all of the surviving natives was urged by the
Governor of California officially in 1851. 4 An editorial from the
Rocky Mountain News in Denver, CO in 1863; and from the Santa Fe New
Mexican in 1863 expressed the same sentiment. 6 In 1867, General
William Tecumseh Sherman said, "We must act with vindictive
earnestness against the Sioux [Lakotas] even to their extermination:
men, women and children." 6
In 1848, before the gold rush in California, that state's native
population is estimated to have been 150,000. In 1870, after the gold
rush, only about 31,000 were still alive. "Over 60 percent of these
indigenous people died from disease introduced by hundreds of
thousands of so-called 49ers. However, local tribes were also
systematically chased off their lands, marched to missions and
reservations, enslaved and brutally massacred." 12 The price paid for
a native scalp had dropped as low as $0.25. Native historian, Jack
Forbes, wrote:
"The bulk of California's Indians were conquered, and died, in
innumerable little episodes rather than in large campaigns. it serves
to indict not a group of cruel leaders, or a few squads of rough
soldiers, but in effect, an entire people; for ...the conquest of the
Native Californian was above all else a popular, mass, enterprise."
11
References:
Peter Montague, "#671 - Columbus Day, 1999," Rachel's Environment &
Health News, Environmental Research Foundation, at: http://www.rachel.org/
Bartolome de las Casas, "The devastation of the Indies: A brief
account," Johns Hopkins University Press, (1992). Read reviews or
order this book safely from Amazon.com online book store. (Cited in
Ref. 1)
Barry Lopez, "The Rediscovery of North America: The Thomas D. Clark
lectures," University Press of Kentucky, (1990). Read reviews or order
this book. (Cited in Ref. 1)
David E. Stannard, "American Holocaust: Columbus and the Conquest of
the New World," Oxford University Press, (1992). Read reviews or
order this book. (Cited in Ref. 1)
Hans Koning, "The conquest of America: How the Indian nations lost
their continent," Monthly Review Press, (1993). Read reviews or order
this book. (Cited in Ref. 1)
Ward Churchill, "A Little Matter of Genocide: Holocaust and Denial in
the Americas, 1492 to the Present," City Lights Books, (1998). Read
reviews or order this book. (Cited in Ref. 1)
Leah Trabich, "Native American Genocide still haunts United States,"
An End to Intolerance, Vol. 5, 1997-JUN, at: http://www.iearn.org/
"Natives, North American," InfoPlease.com, at: http://www.infoplease.com/
James Craven, "Docs. on Native American Genocide," at: http://www.chgs.umn.edu/
Anon, "The history of Indian and European scalping," 2002, PageWise,
Inc., at: http://ct.essortment.com/historyscalpin_rdrp.htm
"Gold, Greed & Genocide: The untold impacts of the Gold Rush on native
communities and the environment," Project Underground, at: http://www.moles.org/
"Gold, Greed & Genocide," Project Underground, at: http://www.1849.org/
Carmen Bernand, "The Incas: People of the Sun (Discoveries)," Harry N
Abrams, (1994). Read reviews or order this book.
"Disrupting the Natives," at: http://www.endoftheoregontrail.org/
Additional books on this topic:
Ward Churchill, et al, "Perversions of Justice: Indigenous Peoples
and Anglo-American Law," City Lights Books, (2003) Read reviews or
order this book
Ward Churchill: "Fantasies of the Master Race: Literature, Cinema and
the Colonization of American Indians" City Lights Books, (1998; 2nd
edition) Read reviews or order this book
"A little matter of Genocide: Holocaust and denial in the Americas:
1492 to the present," City Lights Publishers, (1998). Read reviews or
order this book
Jake Page. "In the Hands of the Great Spirit: The 20,000-Year History
of American Indians," Free Press, (2003). Read reviews or order this
book
Russell Thornton, "American Indian Holocaust and Survival: A
Population History Since 1492 (Civilization of the American Indian,
Vol 186)," University of Oklahoma Press, (1990). Read reviews or order
this book
Clifford E. Trafzer & Joel R. Hyer, (Eds.), "Exterminate Them":
Written Accounts of the Murder, Rape, and Slavery of Native Americans
During the California Gold Rush, 1848-1868" Read reviews or order
this book safely from Amazon.com online book store.
James Wilson, "The Earth Shall Weep: A History of Native America,"
Grove Press, (2003). Read reviews or order this book
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Monica
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Natalia Ruiz Díaz interviews SUSANA CHIAROTTI, expert on violence
against women in the Americas
Susana Chiarotti, coordinator of CEVI
Credit:Natalia Ruiz Díaz/IPS
ASUNCION, May 19 (IPS) - Counting cases of machista or sexist violence
separately shows that "what is happening is practically a genocide,
and a hidden one at that," says Susana Chiarotti, coordinator of the
Committee of Experts on Violence (CEVI) which is following up on
implementation of the Convention of Belém do Pará.
The Inter-American Convention on the Prevention, Punishment and
Eradication of Violence against Women, adopted in the Brazilian city
of Belém do Pará in 1994 by the 34 members of the Organisation of
American States (OAS), defines all forms of gender-based violence as
human rights abuses, and stipulates binding measures to eradicate it.
Chiarotti, an Argentine lawyer and long-time activist in the regional
women’s rights movement, is also the coordinator of the non-
governmental Latin American and Caribbean Committee for the Defence of
Women's Rights (CLADEM), which is active in 17 countries.
During a visit to Asunción, the coordinator of CEVI, which is part of
the OAS but works independently, spoke with IPS about the progress
achieved in recent years and of how much remains to be done to
eliminate violence against women at all levels of society in Latin
America.
IPS: How much progress has been made in Latin America toward the
eradication of violence against women since the Convention was
adopted?
SUSANA CHIAROTTI: If we compare the situation with how things were 30
years ago, enormous strides have been made. To have a Convention and a
follow-up mechanism, to begin to have integrated laws on gender
violence and laws on domestic violence, is something.
From this perspective, the achievements are extremely significant,
because cultural change is very slow and in 30 years we have achieved
a great deal.
But now we have to make the leap to the second generation of laws on
violence, covering every area. We also have to introduce new study
modules in law schools that are more in line with reality today. These
would provide effective tools and better-trained, more aware people
who would not behave like cave-dwellers, as they still do in many
arenas.
IPS: The Convention is seen above all as an instrument to combat
physical, psychological or sexual violence against women in the family
or in couple relationships. But what is its real scope?
SC: The Convention says that states are obliged to prevent, punish and
eradicate violence against women in the domestic, community and state
spheres. So by signing Belém do Pará, the states committed themselves
to take action in these other two areas as well.
When the Committee of Experts started its work, we had to analyse
violence against women with all of the governments and identify common
problems within a very broad range.
We found there were four: the legal framework, access to justice,
budgeting and statistics.
We also found that most countries had enacted laws that only applied
to the domestic sphere, and did not have integrated laws including the
community and the state, as the Convention requires.
So there is a legal vacuum in the field of protecting women. One of
the few countries that has passed an integrated law is Brazil. Most
countries have neutral laws that refer only to domestic violence, with
no protection provided in other areas.
IPS: What does violence against women in the community and state
spheres consist of?
SC: Violence in the community is very important because that is where
we find media violence, perpetrated by the media when they reproduce
discriminatory stereotypes, for instance, in advertising.
A very telling case involved Volkswagen in Brazil. A Volkswagen
dealership in the state of Rio Grande do Norte, which also repaired
cars damaged in crashes, ran a publicity campaign showing the face of
a battered woman with the slogan: "Come and we will fix you up."
When the Human Rights Association in that state and CLADEM protested
to the dealership, a local journalist said: "These embittered
feminists, who probably wear severe clothes and have moustaches and
who have not known the glory of God, do not appreciate creativity and
have no sense of humour."
Volgswagen Brazil ignored the protest and the organisations took their
complaint to the parent company in Germany, which immediately revoked
its contract with the dealership and funded seminars with advertisers
in order to dissuade them from making sexist ads or promoting violence
against women.
This is what I mean by media violence. We have no tools to deal with
it.
As for state violence, we must remember that in our countries
democracy is in the process of being built, because we have come from
dictatorships which left the seal of authoritarianism on many
institutions, like the family, schools, hospitals, psychiatric
facilities and prisons, where order or discipline are confused with
authoritarianism.
We have to work to eradicate this sort of thing. For example, we have
to work on obstetric violence, which is meted out to women who go to
hospitals to give birth or for advice on sexual or reproductive
health.
IPS: There are better and stiffer laws now in the region, but the
figures on gender-based crimes are still alarming. What is needed for
this situation to be overcome?
SC: Femicide (a term for misogynist or gender-motivated murders of
women) has to be fought from several different angles, involving the
security forces, the media and sociological studies. It doesn't
necessarily need a specific category of its own in the criminal code.
Some countries like Costa Rica and Guatemala have already got specific
laws on femicide in place. Other countries can make progress on
femicide prevention by not encouraging violence against women, by not
excusing it by making exceptions for violent emotions or honour
killings or so many other reasons. So measures can be taken for
preventing femicides.
IPS: How important is it for gender-based crime to be tallied
separately?
SC: This is a new and very important development. The observatories we
are setting up throughout the region, to count how many women are
killed by gender violence, are holding up a mirror to society.
Previously, they weren't being counted, they were classified as crimes
of passion and they were forgotten in time. Now they are being counted
and we will be able to prove that what is happening is practically a
genocide, and a hidden one at that.
If the same number of people were killed for belonging to a certain
ethnic group or special group, for being black, Jewish or indigenous,
people would react differently. But they are women, and unfortunately
people are desensitised.
IPS: Are those in power, politicians and especially governments, doing
their part?
SC: Governments maintain an appearance of political correctness, and
most try to show that they are well aware of the problem. I don't know
how much of what they say they really feel in their hearts.
No doubt we'll have to wait a while until we have officials who are
more committed, aware and sincerely concerned. Then we will have
serious policies that are well-supported and funded.
IPS: How do women, the victims of the sexist culture that is so
embedded in the region, cope with the problem?
SC: Women are increasingly tougher and less tolerant of sexism and
machismo. We are less inclined to collude with it and have greater
solidarity with each other, although of course there are exceptions.
We can also model new roles for our daughters and granddaughters,
provide models of women who are strong leaders. Thirty years ago there
were hardly any women in the media, or female presidents or
lawmakers.
Now we are portraying different models and creating our own genealogy.
When men speak, they refer to a masculine genealogy. Now we women are
validating ourselves and citing our own history. (END/2009)
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> Uranium as an intended design option for the hard target guided bombs
> most widely used in Afghanistan - upgraded versions of the 2,000 lb.
> BLU-109/B hard target warhead with the AUP-116 advanced penetrator.
> These include versions of the GBU-15, 24 and 31 and the AGM-130C."
>
> In light of the advantages of uranium over tungsten, exploring the
> following US patent table should further put to rest any doubts about
> the deadly composition of those weapons that turned Afghanistan
> uninhabitable wasteland.
>
> The extracts in the following table are presented by Dai Williams and
> The staff of UMRC communicated the following about Non-Depleted
> Uranium:
>
> "Actually, NDU, if it is "virgin uranium", is pure uranium extracted
> from the feed stock at the pre-enrichment phase of either the fuel or
> weapons development cycles and is significantly less expensive per ton
> than DU. The gaseous diffusion and centrifuge processes of enriching
> uranium require so much electrical power, they need dedicated power
> production sources - some powered reactors have been constructed
> simply to power up the enrichment process. They also are expensive
> technologies to operate and capitalize. DU, being the by-product of
> enrichment is by definition, much more expensive per ton since it had
> to be processed through the enrichment phase."
>
> After collecting samples of urine, soil from blast sites and
> surrounding areas in Kabul and JalaAbad and other areas, UMRC carrying
> out detailed scientific analysis of these samples and released their
Great article Monica, thanks for posting, now it's President Obama
doing these crimes against humanity.
Chainsaw
Right. Color = intelligence. You racist cunt.
> Will you racist whites stop crossposting your racist comments about
> Obama. We now have a chance with a non white intelligent human being
> in office.
How about if we post sexist and racist comments about you instead?
Does your vagina blow smoke signals?
Chainsaw
Have a drink, Monica.
Chainsaw
> by B-52s and other aircraft from tens of thousands of feet in the air�
> have strayed off course, hitting civilian targets." (WSWS, December
> 29, 2001)
>
>
> In another report, a year after September 11, 2001, Matt Kelley of the
> Associated Press put the US munitions statistics as follows:
>
> "U.S. and coalition airplanes have conducted more than 21,000 flights
> over Afghanistan, dropping more than 20,000 munitions. About 60
> percent of the ordnance dropped on Afghanistan has been precision
> guided, the highest percentage in any conflict."
>
> Similarly the Guardian reported on April 10, 2002:
>
> "More than 22,000 weapons - ranging from cruise missiles to heavy fuel-
> air bombs - have been dropped on the country over the past six
> munitions (J-dams), the satellite-guided bombs� One in four bombs and
> consistently fits these functional military profiles is uranium and
> alloys of uranium. Titanium and tungsten are not suitable as the prime
> alloy base for these purposes. Uranium (whether NDU or DU) offers
> unique structural features and the chemistry best suited for the
> defeat of deep, bunkerized targets, multiple types of targets in area
> denial munitions, and penetrating composite ceramic and metal armoured
> [sic] targets."
>
> "Uranium can be engineered to be "self-sharpening" so that when it
> hits a target, it retains its punching point as material erodes off
> molecular structure can re-formed, using metallurgical and "nano-
> technologies" to deliver a selected range of ballistic features,
> including kinetic, thermal, pyrophoric, liquid metal and high-pressure/
> high-heat, plasma effects. Uranium is a readily available metal, cheap
> contractors� stockpiles."
>
> � these subcaliber warheads are preferably kinetic energy warheads
> that are referred to as flechettes and are made of heavy material such
> as depleted uranium or tungsten
>
> carbide
>
> 5,542,354
> July 20, 1995
> Segmenting warhead projectile
>
> The warhead of claim 2 wherein said first housing and said second
> housing are independently each selected from the group consisting of
> iron, steel, tungsten, tantalum, depleted uranium and alloys
> thereof ... Other metals useful for the frangible first housing
> include tungsten, tantalum, depleted uranium and alloys thereof.
>
> 5,691,502
> June 5, 1995
> Low velocity radial deployment with
>
> predetermined pattern
>
> The invention can be employed in an interceptor missile for the
> purpose of increasing the area of potential impact with a target. Each
> lethality enhancing object (28) is preferably fabricated from
>
> a dense metal. While any suitable dense metal can be employed, metals
> having a density of at least 15 gm/cc are presently preferred, e.g.,
> tantalum, tungsten, rhenium, uranium, etc.
>
> The higher densities permit a greater mass in a given volume or the
> same mass in a smaller volume, thereby enhancing the impact force of a
>
> 6,389,977
>
>
> Dec 11, 1997
>
>
> Shrouded Aerial Bomb [BLU-109/B and variants]
>
> This is definitive patent for the outer casing of the upgraded GUB-15,
> 24,27, 31 and AGM-
>
> 130C warheads. The shroud contains the AUP-116 advanced penetrator.
>
> This patent specifically identifies BOTH Tungsten AND Depleted Uranium
> penetrator versions
>
> Claims:
>
>
> �
>
> 5. The shrouded aerial bomb as claimed in claim 1, wherein
>
> the penetrating body is formed of depleted uranium.
>
>
>
>
>
> Since 1997, the US has been modifying and upgrading its munitions
> enhancing their penetrability by using dense metal as the following
> quote further exposes:
>
> "Since 1997 the United States has been modifying and upgrading its
> missiles and guided (smart) bombs. Prototypes of these bombs were
> tested in the Kosovo mountains in 1999, but a far greater range has
> been tested in Afghanistan. The upgrade involves replacing a
> conventional warhead by a heavy, dense metal one. Calculating the
> volume and the weight of this mystery metal leads to two possible
> conclusions: it is either tungsten or depleted uranium." Le Monde
> diplomatique March 2002
>
> "The DU explosive charges in the guided bomb systems used in
> Afghanistan can weigh as much as one and a half metric tons (as in
> Raytheon's Bunker Buster - GBU-28)" Le Monde March 2002
>
> The usage of new generation weapons was also confirmed by the Uranium
> Medical Research Center (UMRC):
>
> "Independent research and publicly available documentation of NATO and
> fissionable (non-thermal nuclear) uranium weapons (including DU)
> development programs are still underway. Sources include: military
> research laboratories and sub-contract research & development
> programs; the US Science Based Stockpile Stewardship Program; the
> reports and advertising of independent weapons contractors. US
> military health warnings to OEF [Operation Enduring Freedom] personnel
> indicate the presence of radiological contaminants; recommending
> passed over would be coated with a thin layer of DU dust, some of
> which would be later kicked up by wind and human activity. ...The
> munitions could deposit a layer of [depleted uranium] dust on crops
> that could be eaten directly by humans or by animals later consumed by
> consumption of contaminated produce would be less than from
> inhalation"
>
> What this translates into is more deformities, diseases and deaths for
> the poor Afghans. As I also stated in my previous report
> http://www.rense.com/general35/perp.htm, it took on average 5 years
> for various deformities to emerge in Iraq after the first Gulf War,
> however, in Afghanistan, people started to complain from various
> health problems within weeks of the initial bombing. This means only
> one thing, the magnitude of uranium based weapons used in Afghanistan
> is much higher than that in Iraq during the first Gulf War. This fact
> is reinforced by the news that in the first few months of the bombing
> more 6,600 J-dams/smart bombs have been dropped on Afghanistan, making
> the size of the uranium contamination much higher than in Iraq during
> the first Gulf War.
>
> The emergence of excessive health problems increased curiosity and
> concerns among scientists worldwide of the usage of depleted uranium.
> The first scientific undertaking was led by the Uranium Medical
> Research Center (UMRC) which consisted of two consecutive trips to
> JalalAbad and Kabul. The preliminary findings by the UMRC research
> teams concluded:
>
> "Radiological measurements of the uranium concentrations in Afghan
> depleted uranium. Radiological measurements of Afghan civilians� have
> high concentrations of uranium in a range beginning at 4 X�s and
> reaching to over 20 X�s normal populations. This is 400% to 2000%
> higher than the study controls and normal population baselines of the
> concentrations of nanograms of uranium per liter of urine in a 24-hour
> sample."
> "The isotopic ratios of the uranium contaminant measured in Afghan
> civilians show that it is not Depleted Uranium (DU). The isotopes of
> Uranium."
> "UMRC investigated the possible origins of this contamination. The
> preliminary results of the radiological urine analysis are
> fragment samples at OEF (Operation Enduring Freedom) target sites and
> bomb-craters."
> and reportedly developing, chronic symptoms of uranium internal
> contamination (including congenital problems in newborns). All
> calendar dates of the bombing and were not present prior to the
> bombing."
> identify, as a standard practice, the abundance of each of the 3
> naturally occurring isotopes of uranium (U234, 235, 238). These
> uranium released in a 24-hour sample of urine. The isotopic ratios
> (proportions) of the uranium in the urine collected in Afghanistan has
> the unmistakable signature of Non-Depleted Uranium. It does not
> express the isotopic ratio of DU. Depleted Uranium and Non-depleted
> Uranium are both species of uranium. UMRC is reporting the isotopic
> Preliminary Findings from Afghanistan & Operation Enduring Freedom,
> http://www.umrc.net/AfghanistanOEF.asp)
> The staff of UMRC communicated the following about Non-Depleted
> Uranium:
>
> "Actually, NDU, if it is "virgin uranium", is pure uranium extracted
> from the feed stock at the pre-enrichment phase of either the fuel or
> weapons development cycles and is significantly less expensive per ton
> than DU. The gaseous diffusion and centrifuge processes of enriching
> uranium require so much electrical power, they need dedicated power
> production sources - some powered reactors have been constructed
> simply to power up the enrichment process. They also are expensive
> technologies to operate and capitalize. DU, being the by-product of
> enrichment is by definition, much more expensive per ton since it had
> to be processed through the enrichment phase."
>
>
> After collecting samples of urine, soil from blast sites and
> surrounding areas in Kabul and JalaAbad and other areas, UMRC carrying
> out detailed scientific analysis of these samples and released their
> findings on 21.05.2003, http://www.umrc.net/AfghanistanOEF.asp:
>
>
>
> environmental contamination in Afghan civilians, corroborating the
> November 2002 Jalalabad findings.
> Jalalabad area: New reference levels based on recent collections of
> samples and controls have revised the Jalalabad results upward to
> New bioassay studies identify uranium internal contamination in Spin
> Reference Level of the unexposed population.
> Surface water, rice fields and catch-basins adjacent to and
> normal.
> Low but as yet inconclusive readings of U236 have been identified by
> the laboratory in some urine samples; further analysis is underway to
> determine the metallurgical origins of the uranium with a
> consideration of "commercial natural uranium" containing recycled
> reactor spent fuel products.
> Analyses of soils and debris collected inside OEF bomb craters and
> Surface soils surrounding the bombsites and downwind from ground-zero
What does this have to do with your vagina?
Monica
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Jan 6th, 2009 by gadfly.
Is the United States of America the world’s largest dealer of illegal
drugs? What about the world’s largest gun runner? For years our
government has used the CIA, NSA & other super-secret ‘intelligence’
agencies to cultivate drug harvest and distribution in SE Asia and
Afghanistan. We offer ‘aid’ and ‘trade’ to countries in the forms of
weapons and ammunition. The drugs come home to the US to poison and
kill our own population. The weapons we sell are used either against
us directly by people to kill others, who then seek to kill
Americans. Did the founding fathers envision a country that would
become the world’s largest debtor and blood merchant?
They are corrupted by the allure of illegal, untraceable,
unaccountable money from the drug trade and the billions of tax
revenue collected annually. Each year, hundreds of billions of
taxpayer dollars go into the industry of Defense contractors, Pentagon
programs, Military spending, and the cultivation / transport / sales
of illegal drugs - worldwide. The result is death, poverty, famine,
sickness and suffering for millions.
The justification? American interests: code for empire, colonial
expansion and stuffing the royal coffers. Here’s a tip: when you here
the term ‘American interests’, that means that Exxon or Monsanto or
Pfizer or some other large company has conspired with the US
Government to use our military to help them steal and pollute in
another country. It means that we’re fucking over some entire
population at gunpoint and they are covering it with red, white & blue
to keep us funding it.
We, the taxpaying morons make all of this possible when we ignore it.
We get caught up by watching American Idol or iPod shopping on eBay or
$5 footlongs at Subway. We burn gas in our Hummers for 20 years when
we could have been demanding alternative fuel vehicles.
All the while, we suck down gas like jug wine. We consume drugs both
legal and illegal to numb our mind to the horrible truths that we do
not want to know and that our government does not want us to know.
It’s no coincidence that we have seen a rise in fundamentalist
religions. Fundies have been after the reins of power since this
country was formed. They have sided with intolerance, racism, sexism
and xenophobia in an effort to seize upon and foster the monumental
stupidity of hatred and fear. A hateful & frightened population is a
stupid one and ripe pickings for empires whether they be god’s or
Washington’s. Fundies make money when the population is uneducated.
Smart people ask questions and are the natural enemy of hate mongers,
fear peddlers and emperors.
The biggest hogs at the trough are the ‘defense contractors’. The 50-
year gluttony of war profiteer, perpetrated in the halls of the
Pentagon, Congress and the White House have stolen America from the
ideals of equality, justice and liberty. We are nothing but cash
generating cows sucking up fast food, plastic electronics, drugs and
alcohol while we shit, quite literally, all over the planet. We act
like we live in the 1950’s where we can pollute anywhere, have 5-10
kids, buy a new car every 3 years, replace last year’s clothes/iPod/
radio/whatever with a new one and throw the old one in any old waste
can.
We are Generation Dodo: too stupid to stop or even notice our own
extinction.
Do you really think that our economy will be fixed by some act of
government alone? Not with the war profiteers and oil barons still
running unchecked. Do you really think we have a future for our 6
kids and their children? Not without any trees left. Not with
garbage incinerators burning up mercury, plastic & television sets.
Not with our water being polluted by mining companies when they blow
mountains into the streams and fill the atmosphere with mercury and
worse.
These parasites, these murderers and thieves and liars have the
flaming gall to use words like patriotism, duty, honor and freedom.
They are the domestic enemies that our President, Congress and troops
are sworn to protect. And I will not listen to that ‘holy mantra’ of
"it creates jobs". Bullshit! Hitler and Stalin created jobs. That
argument boils down to robber land barons threatening us with
starvation if we don’t continue to kill ourselves for their profit.
There are plenty of ways to solve problems that don’t include
pollution, murder, drug dealing and war profiteering.
Ronald Reagan said that ‘government is the problem’ because he wanted
to scare white people by threatening them with the idea of blacks
taking their money. Well, our government is a problem because it has
declared war on us. They spy on us. They help the growth, transport
and sales of illegal drugs into our communities. They foster a
worship of guns that slaughters children, mothers, seniors, students,
and everyone else. These are the weapons of mass destruction, made
possible by our own government and aimed directly at us. The
destruction of entire familes and communities for generations is done
by robbing them of our health, our freedom, our wealth, our intellect
and our lives.
It is genocide. Our government did not stop killing its own people
once the Indians were decimated. They take our tax dollars to fund
the murder of others and kill us in return. We subsidize slaughter
and are in turn, slaughtered.
They fear us. They fear our awakening. They fear accountability for
their own heinous deeds. We can hold their feet to the fire. We can
call them out onto the carpet and we can shine a light of truth upon
them.
But, we can do none of that until we first admit that we are guilty
too. We have let it happen. We have made it happen. Ignorance is no
excuse. Our government’s actions have led to the sickness,
mutilation, murder, rape and torture of people all over the world.
They are still an elected government and until they steal that right
from us, we are the first to blame.
It is not enough that we elected Barack Obama, but we need to hound
him to keep the promises he made. We cannot allow Dick Cheney and his
front man, Chimpo Bush to escape from prosecution. They broke the
law. Period. If our children’s children are to have any country
worth living in, much less one that resembles a democracy - then, we
must see that justice is done.
The law works for everyone or it works for no one.
So, look in the mirror and get used to the fact that you, your family,
your neighbors, your parents, your fireman, your baker and everyone
else you know - are guilty of peddling drugs, murdering civilians,
allowing the rape of women, the sale and use of illegal drugs in every
neighborhood in the country and the genocide of people ‘foreign and
domestic’. Look in the mirror and ask yourself: Is this OK with me?
Do I want this done in my name? Do I want this for my children? Is
this really what my life is all about? Is this Patriotism? No.
Patriotism is what happens when we stop it. Now, in this generation.
In this moment. In this Presidency. We must become an unstoppable
force for what is good in people and for our own survival as a
species.
Mother Earth has seen mass-extinction before. It makes no difference
to her. If we kill ourselves, she will start all over again from
scratch. She’s got nothing but time. So, it would be foolish to
count on things working out if we just stop thinking about them so
much or in such stark terms.
This Obama Presidency is a test for us all. I know that it is for me.
- gadfly
skep...@aol.com
used against the People of Afghanistan Monica. I forwarded it to
Project Censored. Do you know the URL for that story, it may get
nominated for a Project Censored Award. --Bill
Monica
" redskins"
A Sentence of Death
"The Shame of Public School Education" a photo essay
"Symbols are only religious if someone recognizes they are"
-statement by Superintendent of Little River Kansas, a "redskin"
Indian mascot school, 1996
How does a superintendent of schools responsible for the care and
guidance of children justify his bigotry? The following statement
shows how long the extermination of Native Americans by any means
whatsoever has been a goal.
GENOCIDE, the White Man's Trade
"You will do well to inoculate the Indians (with smallpox) by means of
blankets, as well as to try every other method that can serve to
extirpate this exorable race. I should be very glad your scheme for
hunting them down by dogs could take effect."
-General Amherst to Colonel Henry Bouquet, July 1763
Unable to secure dogs to do the work General Amherst distributed
blankets among the Shawnee, Mingo and Delaware. These infected
blankets were purchased from Jews, Levy Andrew (Levy) in association
with David Franks and family of Philadelphia who were the leading
Jewish supplymen in North America. (source, Sharfman, Harold. Jews on
the Frontier. Chicago: Henry Regnery Co., 1977., also The Nation of
Islam, The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews. Vol. 1.)
TO EXTERMINATE A PEOPLE THEIR CULTURAL AND SPIRITUAL BELIEFS MUST BE
TRIVIALIZED AND ACCEPTED WITHOUT QUESTION AS SUBHUMAN,
LESS THAN EQUAL TO ANY OTHER AND BENEATH THE PROTECTION OF THE LAW
Is this a religious symbol?
Does everyone have to be a Christian to make it a religious symbol?
Do non Christians define this symbol's meaning or do Christians define
it?
What other government agency besides the United States public schools
has not respected the religious symbols of a racial and ethnic group
and has a history of oppression, death and genocide for the people who
practiced this religion?
Synagogue burns in Germany on Nov. 10, 1938 - Kristallnacht
Do Germans show honor for Jews today by making them into mascots?
Public School superintendents in the USA find honor in making Indian
people who died for their religious beliefs into mascots.
HOW MANY INDIAN CHILDREN DIED AT:
WOUNDED KNEE MASSACRE
WASHITA MASSACRE
SAND CREEK MASSACRE
THE TRAIL OF MURDER (TEARS)
FOR THIS YOU MAKE THEM MASCOTS?
DO PUBLIC SCHOOLS SUPERINTENDENTS KNOW THEIR AMERICAN HISTORY?
OR
DO THEY FIND HONOR IN RELIGIOUS OPPRESSION of NATIVE AMERICANS LIKE
THE NAZI'S FOUND HONOR IN RELIGIOUS OPPRESSION OF JEWS?
Poster from the 1940's
Americans refused to see the millions dying in the death camps in
Europe.
Will Americans acknowledge the history of hatred and genocide against
Indians in the United States or take their place in history with
Hitler's Nazis?
Nazis enjoyed photographing their dead victims
first starving then shooting them.
In America the preferred genocide for Indians has been to shoot them
then starve their children.
Withholding everything that gives life dignity.
Would one of these people made a good mascot for your local public
school?
Americans pile the bodies of dead Indians in history books and cover
them with a sugar coating of lies
so you cannot smell the stench of death.
Why aren't Jews bignose mascots too?
-NEXT PAGE-
"STEALING FROM A CORPSE"
Monica
Monica
Taking the religious symbols of the Indian People for souvenirs and
personal gain is an American Tradition
"... P.S. I sent you today the only 'Trophy' of the recent battle that
I have been able to procure."
-from a private letter to his wife, John Vance Lauderdale, attending
US Army surgeon, massacre at Wounded Knee December 29, 1890
"Indian Relic" Collecting from the Dead
The man at the center of the photo below in front of the horse has
taken moccasins and other "Trophies" from the dead.
The clothing which are religious symbols were stripped from the bodies
of Sioux laying 4 days dead in the snow at Wounded Knee Creek.
The clothing of dead Indian children was a special prize to be sent
home.
In the four days the bodies lay in the wasteland, drawn by the blood
of over 300 corpses,
the coyotes had eaten on the flesh.
They took the smaller, lighter bodies of children off to safer ground
to tear apart. They took what they wanted, they took what they could
get away with.
That is the way of the animal.
Moccasins of the Dead
Later, the man who took the moccasins from the feet of a dead ghost
dancer will try them on, to pretend to walk like the people he has
just slaughtered.
Perhaps, he will shuffle dance, whoop and laugh at their "barbarian"
ways. Perhaps he will give them to his children so they can wear the
clothes of the redskins in their play and they can make believe with
real redskin clothing.
They will doubtless be pulled out for display for many years.
WILL HE TELL OF THE 200 CHILDREN AND WOMEN LYING BEFORE HIM IN THE
SNOW?
WILL HE TELL OF THE 100 MEN WHO HAD NO WEAPONS?
"HOW DID YOU SHOOT THE REDSKINS, PAPA, did you get me some moccasins?"
These US soldiers went home to towns like Wichita, Kansas and
Cleveland, Ohio, and many others.
36 years from this day when 200 children and women lay dead in the
snow,
they are declared mascots.
This 22 year old man holding the moccasins was then 58 years of age.
The religions of the Indian People were declared against the law and
everything was taken as curios to be bought and sold in the market
place.
SHOES OF THE DEAD
"My son will like these"
Jewish families are still trying to recover their stolen property
hoarded in Swiss Banks, and places through out the world. They
remember the horrors of religious persecution and governments that
believe they can keep the plunder taken from the dead.
Germans sorting through the shoes of Jewish victims killed at
Auschwitz.
Like all of the property of the victims these shoes were sent to
Germany. The Nazis took the lives of Jews because of their religious
and ethnic heritage. Nazis took what they wanted, they took what they
could get away with.
That is the way of the animal.
On August 3, 1997 the Government of Italy returned to heirs, 5 crates
of jewelry taken from victims of the holocaust. A spokesman for the
Italian government said, we encourage all governments to quickly
return the property of Jews taken in the Holocaust.
U.S. NATIVE AMERICAN GRAVES & REPATRIATION ACT Italy did not take the
property and remains of the bodies of Jewish people, put them in
museums, then tell Jews they should be honored to be mascots in
Italy.
HOW FAST MUST GENOCIDE WORK IT COURSE TO BE RECOGNIZED FOR THE HIDEOUS
CRIME IT IS?
This man did not die half naked in a South Dakota winter his clothing
was taken for a trophy after he was shot.
The great grandchildren of these dead Sioux are told
by the great grandchildren of these armed men that it is an honor to
be their mascot.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
IS THERE HONOR IN THE PRACTICE OF TAKING NATIVE AMERICAN RELIGIOUS
SYMBOLS FOR CURIOSITY, FUN OR PROFIT?
No other race who continues to struggle against genocide has been made
to put their living children on the mascot block.
DO YOU JOIN WITH THE ANIMALS WHO TAKE INDIAN RELIGION FOR ANYTHING YOU
CAN?
-NEXT PAGE-
"STEALING FROM THE DEAD GIVES BIRTH TO STEALING FROM THE LIVING"
Dewey
news:ZqiRl.4397$fD....@flpi145.ffdc.sbc.com:
>
> What does this have to do with your vagina?
>
Dammit Chain, if you don't start snipping some of that raging cunt's
keyboard diarrhea I'm gonna hafta kill this entire thread.
Chainsaw
> Chainsaw <no...@all.net> wrote in
> news:ZqiRl.4397$fD....@flpi145.ffdc.sbc.com:
>
>
>> What does this have to do with your vagina?
>>
>
>
> Dammit Chain, if you don't start snipping some of that raging cunt's
> keyboard diarrhea I'm gonna hafta kill this entire thread.
Duly noted. I'm just waiting for her to say something interesting again.
Terraholm
> This Obama Presidency is a test for us all. I know that it is for me.
>
> - gadfly
Same guy that thought it was a league conspiracy to let Shaq get away
with being bigger and stronger than his opponents?
Dewey
news:ZIiRl.4398$fD....@flpi145.ffdc.sbc.com:
> Dewey wrote:
>> Chainsaw <no...@all.net> wrote in
>> news:ZqiRl.4397$fD....@flpi145.ffdc.sbc.com:
>>
>>
>>> What does this have to do with your vagina?
>>>
>>
>>
>> Dammit Chain, if you don't start snipping some of that raging cunt's
>> keyboard diarrhea I'm gonna hafta kill this entire thread.
>
> Duly noted. I'm just waiting for her to say something interesting
> again.
>
>
"Again" implies she has in the past. Has she? I must have missed it.
Monica
Sorry Bill. I haven't been able to find it yet. I'll send it to you
when I do. I just wanted people to know that coming to our place and
expressing hate of Obama simply because he is Black is wrong. We're
not white either.
skep...@aol.com
skep...@aol.com
I'm not dissing Bush-bama because of his ethnicity, I'm dissing Obama
because he's like Bush.
Chainsaw
No_He_Can_Not
> On 19 May 2009, "skep...@aol.com" <skep...@aol.com> posted some
> news:74e2f184-4dd4-4fef...@c7g2000prc.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>> Buyers Remorse
>>
>> Is It Too Late To Swap Obama For McCain?
>>
>> By Mike Whitney
>>
>> May 18, 2009 "Information Clearing House" --- Anyone who has ever
>> wasted good money on a clunker only to drop the transmission 15
>> minutes after leaving the car-lot, knows the feeling. It's like a
>> swift-kick in the groin followed by weeks of fist-pounding rage. It's
>> called buyer's remorse; "Gawd, I wish I hadn't bought that piece of
>> dogshite!"
>>
>> There are probably a lot of former-Obama supporters feeling that same
>> agonizing sense despair now that President Rainbow has done an about-
>> face on every campaign promise he made. So much for "truth in
>> advertising", eh?
>>
>>
>> For the record; I didn't vote for Obama because I didn't like the way
>> he backpedaled on wiretapping and because he promised to escalate the
>> war in Afghanistan. (Like everyone else who voted for Ralph Nader; I
>> got loads of grief for it) But that doesn't mean I didn't want Obama
>> to succeed. I did. The country is in too big a mess NOT to hope that
>> he would succeed. But now...?
>>
>> Let's just forget about the fact that Obama never lifted a finger to
>> stop Israel's two week rampage through Gaza which killed 1,100 unarmed
>> civilians and destroyed much of the critical infrastructure. And let's
>> give him a pass for equivocating on Iran, Georgia, missile defense in
>> East Europe, Cuba, NAFTA, FISA, torture, war crimes, the Employee free
>> Choice Act (EFCA) and any other issue that's important to liberals,
>> progressives, leftists or anyone else who eats with a fork or walks on
>> two legs. And let's excuse Obama for stepping up the air war in
>> Afghanistan even though another 140 Afghan villagers were blown to
>> bits 10 days ago while sitting in their schools, sleeping in their
>> beds or having dinner with their families. (After all, Obama did say
>> he was sorry, didn't he?)
>>
>> But now Obama is backing off on his promise to withdrawal troops from
>> Iraq in 16 months. And, now he's planning to restore Bush's kangaroo
>> courts (Military tribunals) for prisoners at Guantanamo who've never
>> even been formally charged with a crime! And, now, he's threatening to
>> hold some prisoners indefinitely in the U.S. without trial. (http://
>> news.antiwar.com/2009/05/14/obama-mulls-indefinite-detention-without-
>> trial-for-detainees/)
>>
>> I don't know about you, but I believe that America is based on the
>> idea that every man has certain basic rights, and the most fundamental
>> of all those rights is the right to know why the state has thrown your
>> ass in jail. That's numero uno! It's called habeas corpus and the
>> whole judicial system rests on that one foundation stone. People like
>> Obama, who don't believe in habeas, shouldn't even call themselves
>> "American" in my book because they don't believe in the underlying
>> principles.
>>
>> Does Khalid Sheik Mohamed--the so-called "9-11 mastermind"-- deserve
>> his day in court?
>> You're damn right he does! That's how the system works. Deal with it.
>>
>> Obama is an unprincipled poseur; a snake charmer; a complete phony. No
>> wonder the gushing David Brooks has been singing his praises lately.
>> No wonder Andrew Sullivan calls him the "Neocon in Chief". Heck, even
>> Cheney was talking-up Obama's bloody AfPak policy a few days ago. That
>> says it all, doesn't it?
>> Here's a blurp from Murdoch's far-right rag, The Wall Street Journal,
>> that sums up Obama perfectly:
>>
>> "Mr. Obama deserves credit for accepting that civilians courts are
>> largely unsuited for the realities of the war on terror. He has now
>> decided to preserve a tribunal process that will be identical in every
>> material way to the one favored by Dick Cheney."
>>
>> Hypocrite.
>>
>> We'd be better off with that doddering old fool McCain. At least with
>> McCain you know what you're getting.
>>
>> http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22640.htm
>>
>>
>
> The libs got their mark on history. They'll be remembered as the dumbest
> class of voters ever.
>
>
>
They will be remembered . they will hide their faces in shame every time
is is talked of.
bozak
> Gandalf Gay wrote:
>> The libs got their mark on history. They'll be remembered as the dumbest
>> class of voters ever.
>>
>>
>>
> They will be remembered . they will hide their faces in shame every time
> is is talked of.
like the repukkkes do anytime bushco is mentioned???
bozak
> The libs got their mark on history. They'll be remembered as the dumbest
> class of voters ever.
said the neck...
Lamont Cranston
> Gandalf Gay wrote:
>
...as those who made this country great in the past and who
will continue to do so in the future.
The soon-to-be-extinct GOP will forever be remembered as the
Party of Nope.
No_He_Can_Not
No_He_Can_Not
Terraholm
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security,
unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you
would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a
tiny splinter group, of course, that believes that you can do these
things. Among them are a few Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional
politician or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible
and they are stupid."
President Dwight D. Eisenhower, l952
No_He_Can_Not
are worth while and necessary.
bozak
yet they are still socialist, imagine that...