Why Jordan's rings will have an asterisk by them
VGangrelV
Michael Jordan - 6 NBA rings*
*A watered down league, Never beat a truly great team to win a title.
That's what it will say. Magic, Bird, and Dr J. can all say they beat some
truly great teams in their prime. Jordan CAN NOT say that.
*Dr J got his ring in the early 80's by beating an awesome Lakers team that had
Magic, Kareem, Nixon, etc.
*Larry got his rings by beating possibly the greatest team of all time. The '86
Lakers with Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Cooper, etc.
*Magic got his rings by beating possibly the greatest team of all time. The
'85, 87, and '88 Celtics with possibly the best frontline ever of Bird, McHale,
and Parish.
And don't give me that crap about the Bulls beating the '90 Lakers. Kareem was
gone. Worthy was a bench warmer by then and Magic was way past his prime while
Micheal was in his prime. Don't get me wrong, Micheal is great and winning six
titles is quite an accomplishment but if you look at the teams he beat to get
there it's not as impressive. I'll take Magic's five rings against some of the
best teams ever over Mike's six against much weaker teams in a watered down
league anyday.
Irving Wang
>
> The record book will say.
>
> Michael Jordan - 6 NBA rings*
>
> *A watered down league, Never beat a truly great team to win a title.
>
> That's what it will say. Magic, Bird, and Dr J. can all say they beat some
> truly great teams in their prime. Jordan CAN NOT say that.
In that case, I assume that you will also say the same for Hakeem
Olajuwon.
> *Dr J got his ring in the early 80's by beating an awesome Lakers team that had
> Magic, Kareem, Nixon, etc.
> *Larry got his rings by beating possibly the greatest team of all time. The '86
> Lakers with Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Cooper, etc.
> *Magic got his rings by beating possibly the greatest team of all time. The
> '85, 87, and '88 Celtics with possibly the best frontline ever of Bird, McHale,
> and Parish.
>
> And don't give me that crap about the Bulls beating the '90 Lakers. Kareem was
> gone. Worthy was a bench warmer by then and Magic was way past his prime while
> Micheal was in his prime. Don't get me wrong, Micheal is great and winning six
> titles is quite an accomplishment but if you look at the teams he beat to get
> there it's not as impressive. I'll take Magic's five rings against some of the
> best teams ever over Mike's six against much weaker teams in a watered down
> league anyday.
Going by that logic, shouldn't all NBA championships from this point on
have asterisks placed next to them in the history books? The NBA has
become more watered down in the talent pool with each successive
season. Are things supposed to be any different now that Jordan is
gone? There are still many teams out there that will not fare with much
overall success and you can probably add the Bulls to that list now as
well.
In the end, an NBA championship is just that. They don't mean much
relative to other eras of NBA basketball, but that's not their purpose.
Rather, it's a reward for the team that could endure a grueling regular
season and playoff schedule against sizable competition for a given
season.
If there is an asterisk to be placed next to a season or a championship
at all, it should be the upcoming one as a result of the lockout.
Otherwise, it's most probably not worth the effort.
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VGangrelV wrote in message <19990114015754...@ng02.aol.com>...
>The record book will say.
>
>Michael Jordan - 6 NBA rings*
>
>*A watered down league, Never beat a truly great team to win a title.
championship. Some of the old Celtic and Lakers teams got a bye in the
first round of a three round playoff.
I disagree that the league is watered down. Increases in population,
development of non-US players and a general increase in the game's
popularity can be considered. Where I used to see young boys playing
baseball, I see a lot more basketball.
Mike McGinley
Hoffman Estates, IL
Gary S. Simon
(VGangrelV) wrote:
>The record book will say.
>
>Michael Jordan - 6 NBA rings*
>
>*A watered down league, Never beat a truly great team to win a title.
>
>That's what it will say. Magic, Bird, and Dr J. can all say they beat some
>truly great teams in their prime. Jordan CAN NOT say that.
>
>*Dr J got his ring in the early 80's by beating an awesome Lakers team that had
>Magic, Kareem, Nixon, etc.
>*Larry got his rings by beating possibly the greatest team of all time. The '86
>Lakers with Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Cooper, etc.
>*Magic got his rings by beating possibly the greatest team of all time. The
>'85, 87, and '88 Celtics with possibly the best frontline ever of Bird, McHale,
>and Parish.
Those great teams made their reputations, in large part, by taking
turns defeating one another. Since someone had to win when the teams
played, it's hard to be cery impressed by the fact that the Sixers and
Celtics each won one of three Finals against the Lakers. The Lakers' 4-2
record in the Finals from 1980 through 1987 is very impressive, but the
Lakers rarely faced very impressive competition in the Western playoffs,
and twice lost to the Rockets, despite having home court advantage.
>And don't give me that crap about the Bulls beating the '90 Lakers. Kareem was
>gone. Worthy was a bench warmer by then
James Worthy was named to an All-NBA team only twice in his career:
1989-90 and 1990-91 (the third team, on both occasions. The third team
didn't exist before 1988-89). Worthy must have been quite a bench-warmer
to have earned third team All-NBA honors in 1990-91. He must also have
been the only bench-warmer in history to average about 40 minutes per game.
>and Magic was way past his prime
Johnson averaged "only" about 12.5 assists and 19.4 points per game in
1990-91. His career averages were about 10.5 assists and 19.5 points per
game.
Given that Johnson won the MVP award in 1989 and 1990, I don't think
he could have been too far "past" his prime in 1990-91.
>while
>Micheal was in his prime. Don't get me wrong, Micheal is great and winning six
>titles is quite an accomplishment but if you look at the teams he beat to get
>there it's not as impressive.
I'd say that the Bulls' conference playoffs in the 1990's were more
challenging than the Lakers' in the 1980's.
As for the Finals, the Lakers had a very impressive 5-3 record against
three excellent teams (Sixers, Celtics and Pistons). The Bulls were 6-0,
taking on all comers (including a Jazz team with two of the NBA's top 50
players twice).
KARB33
names you mentioned. The Bulls never went 7 games in the Finals because they
were so great. The speed of the Bulls would where any of your great teams
down.
Greg Reynolds
VGangrelV wrote:
> The record book will say.
>
> Michael Jordan - 6 NBA rings*
>
> *A watered down league
>
> *Larry got his rings by beating possibly the greatest team of all time.
> *Magic got his rings by beating possibly the greatest team of all time.
VGangrel,
The greatest teams? Which one is greatest? Make sense.
The greatest team of all time losing? Why call it the greatest team?
Sounds *watered down.
G
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Barry S. Mandel
the following:
>The record book will say.
>
>Michael Jordan - 6 NBA rings*
>
>*A watered down league, Never beat a truly great team to win a title.
>
>That's what it will say. Magic, Bird, and Dr J. can all say they beat some
>truly great teams in their prime. Jordan CAN NOT say that.
[snip]
It doesn't matter.
Comparisons of teams across different eras are extraordinarily
difficult; the only way to really judge a team is to assess its
performance against its contemporaries. For six of the last eight
years, the Bulls have simply ridden roughshod over theirs. It's
possible that, if the NBA were a more streamlined league, they
might not have managed as many as 72 wins in a season, but I'd
have to say that this would have been a great team in _any_ era.
It's still my personal belief that Bill Russell's Celtics were the
single most impressive NBA dynasty of all time, but to deny
the Bulls their rightful place in sports history because of league
expansion is simply unfair. There will be no asterisks, nor should
there be.
-- BSM
Derek Brown
> VGangrelV wrote in message <19990114015754...@ng02.aol.com>...
> >
> >Michael Jordan - 6 NBA rings*
> >
> >*A watered down league, Never beat a truly great team to win a title.
> championship. Some of the old Celtic and Lakers teams got a bye in the
> first round of a three round playoff.
> I disagree that the league is watered down. Increases in population,
> development of non-US players and a general increase in the game's
> popularity can be considered. Where I used to see young boys playing
> baseball, I see a lot more basketball.
> Mike McGinley
> Hoffman Estates, IL
Brooks Miller
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Also, getting by the 2-time defending champion Pistons wasn't beating a great team? Does it simply not count if the great team is in the same conference as you and thus couldn't be your opponent in the Finals?
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