The Rose Award For 8-18-2009. <2079>
weheardthenews
two-for-five with four RBI and scored one run in a 9-6 win over the
Texas Rangers.
With A.L. RBI leader Justin Morneau sidelined by an ear infection,
teammate Joe Mauer homered twice and Young had a go-ahead two-run
homer to lead the Twins to their victory.
powrwrap
Rose, who made 10,328 outs. Hank Aaron is next on that dubious list at
9,136.
One of Rose's greatest claims to fame is hitting .300 in nine
consecutive seasons (1965-73). But Cobb did it 23 years in a row, Stan
Musial 16 and Tony Gwynn 17.
When it comes to career batting average, Rose is no better than tied
for 170th — with Mike Greenwell and Buddy Myer — at .3028 (rounded up
to .303).
Rose led the National League in batting three times. Contemporaries
Roberto Clemente and Bill Madlock each won four NL batting crowns
before Gwynn won seven times in an 11-year span (1987-97).
In the American League, infielders Rod Carew won seven batting titles
and Wade Boggs five in six years.
Rose's highest single-season batting average was .348 in 1969. In the
next six seasons, Rico Carty (.366), Joe Torre (.363), Ralph Garr (.
353) and Madlock (.354) — none of whom are headed to Cooperstown
solely on the merits of their playing careers — led the NL with higher
averages.
Although he won NL Rookie of the Year honors in 1963, Rose was hardly
the best young hitter of his era. The Minnesota Twins' Tony Oliva won
batting titles his first two seasons. As a rookie in 1964, Oliva
batted .323 and hit 32 home runs, leading to a slugging percentage of .
557. That year, Rose hit .269 and slugged .326.
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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2009-08-20-rose-best-all-time_N.htm
weheardthenews
So who's the guy with 4,256 hits? Did you cover that already? How
many hits did you get in the majors?
Think before you teach.
brianj
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Miraculously enough, you seem to have missed the point of the post.
Or are you suggesting that we should only state facts here if we had
MLB careers? If the number 4,254 means a lot to you, good on ya. But
as has been pointed out, in just about every other offensive
statistic, Mr. Banned-For-Life has been outpaced by many historical
figures and several of his contemporaries. That's true whether you or
I or anybody else here played major league baseball.
brianj
powrwrap
> many hits did you get in the majors?
"If I had played my career hitting singles like Pete, I'd wear a
dress."—Mickey Mantle
Power never was Rose's game. Of his 4,256 hits, 75.5% (3,215) were
singles. He never had more than 16 homers or 82 RBI in a season. This
year, Tampa Bay Rays second baseman/utility player Ben Zobrist had 17
homers in 246 at-bats before the All-Star break.
One has to go all the way to 23rd among all-time singles leaders to
find a player with a lower career slugging percentage than Rose's .
409. That player, Doc Cramer, hit 37 home runs during a 20-year career
that encompassed World War II, during which a talent drain hit the
game.
In 26 seasons, Rose managed 160 home runs. By contrast, Chase Utley,
now in his fifth full season with the Philadelphia Phillies, is close
to eclipsing that total this year.
Rose's numbers pale in comparison to recent second basemen, including
Jeff Kent (100 or more RBI in six consecutive seasons from 1997 to
2002), 10-time Gold Glover Roberto Alomar (24 homers and 37 steals in
1999) and Craig Biggio (291 homers and 414 steals in his career).
After his first six seasons, Rose divided time at first and third base
and left and right field. If his numbers fail to match those of
today's second basemen, they're no contest against those of corner
infielders and outfielders, who hit for power in the middle of batting
orders.
Riley 77
"brianj" <firs...@turtlecreek.net> wrote in message
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On Aug 20, 4:51 pm, weheardthenews <weheardthen...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Aug 20, 2:03 pm, powrwrap <powrw...@aol.com> wrote:
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> > No hitter has come close to being responsible for as many failures as
> > Rose, who made 10,328 outs. Hank Aaron is next on that dubious list at
> > 9,136.
>
> > One of Rose's greatest claims to fame is hitting .300 in nine
> > consecutive seasons (1965-73). But Cobb did it 23 years in a row, Stan
> > Musial 16 and Tony Gwynn 17.
>
> > When it comes to career batting average, Rose is no better than tied
> > to .303).
>
> > Rose led the National League in batting three times. Contemporaries
> > Roberto Clemente and Bill Madlock each won four NL batting crowns
> > before Gwynn won seven times in an 11-year span (1987-97).
>
> > In the American League, infielders Rod Carew won seven batting titles
> > and Wade Boggs five in six years.
>
> > Rose's highest single-season batting average was .348 in 1969. In the
> > next six seasons, Rico Carty (.366), Joe Torre (.363), Ralph Garr (.
> > solely on the merits of their playing careers � led the NL with higher
> > averages.
>
> > Although he won NL Rookie of the Year honors in 1963, Rose was hardly
> > the best young hitter of his era. The Minnesota Twins' Tony Oliva won
> > batting titles his first two seasons. As a rookie in 1964, Oliva
> > batted .323 and hit 32 home runs, leading to a slugging percentage of .
> > 557. That year, Rose hit .269 and slugged .326.
> > .
>
> >http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2009-08-20-rose-best-all-time...
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> So who's the guy with 4,256 hits? Did you cover that already? How
> many hits did you get in the majors?
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> Think before you teach.- Hide quoted text -
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Miraculously enough, you seem to have missed the point of the post.
Or are you suggesting that we should only state facts here if we had
MLB careers? If the number 4,254 means a lot to you, good on ya. But
as has been pointed out, in just about every other offensive
statistic, Mr. Banned-For-Life has been outpaced by many historical
figures and several of his contemporaries. That's true whether you or
I or anybody else here played major league baseball.
brianj
Ah the 21st Century shallow sports-guy arguement "How many hits did YOU get
in the majors?"
You know..taking a second look at the stats...you have to wonder if those
people voting him in are voting just to get it over with, or let bygones be
bygones, as he never juiced
The numbers add up to a lifetimer on the rubber chicken banquet circuit, and
a good table at a Autograph session...but Cooperstown.....maybe
weheardthenews
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As expected, you're still missing the point. Why do you single out
home runs and lifetime batting averages as the key indicator for the
greatness of a player? You show nothing but ignorance when you do
that. You and powrwrap really need some education when it comes to
the game of baseball. The Rose Committee strongly suggests that you
enroll in Baseball 101 at your local community college or if you can
afford a major university, go there. You're the equivalent of a
football novice who watches just to see a guy go into the end zone but
doesn't understand anything else that happens on the field.
Do you really like home runs? Aaron's the guy for you.
Do you really like steroids? Bonds is the guy for you.
Let's not forget about stolen bases. Really like them? Henderson's
the guy for you.
Do you really like ugly women? Yo' mama's the gal for you.