Giants 1B J.T. Snow beaned with pitch from Randy Johnson
I have to say that was quite unfair. The pitch did hit Snow in the face,
but only after deflecting off his wrist. I think Randy was unfairly
besmirched by the headline.
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How is that unfair? Snow *did* get hit in the face. The deflection
off his wrist is irrelevant.
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>Trevor Hicks (Trevo...@slb.nospam) wrote:
>: Just saw this headline on my Yahoo news page:
>:
>: Giants 1B J.T. Snow beaned with pitch from Randy Johnson
>:
>: I have to say that was quite unfair. The pitch did hit Snow in the face,
>: but only after deflecting off his wrist. I think Randy was unfairly
>: besmirched by the headline.
>How is that unfair? Snow *did* get hit in the face. The deflection
>off his wrist is irrelevant.
Yeah, right, Albert. Your comment sounds as if you think RJ hit him in
the face on purpose. What if the pitch had hit the dirt first and then
hit Snow in the face? Would that have been irrelevant?
I'm not discounting Snow's serious injury, but he *was* at bat against
the Tall Man Who Throws Fastballs, and he did play in the AL last
year. What do you suppose he was expecting after RJ had done some
pretty good pitching for the first five hitters. And he was digging
in?
And, if it makes any difference to you, RJ was as concerned as anyone
afterwards.
David
>Trevor Hicks (Trevo...@slb.nospam) wrote:
>: Just saw this headline on my Yahoo news page:
>:
>: Giants 1B J.T. Snow beaned with pitch from Randy Johnson
>:
>: I have to say that was quite unfair. The pitch did hit Snow in the face,
>: but only after deflecting off his wrist. I think Randy was unfairly
>: besmirched by the headline.
>How is that unfair? Snow *did* get hit in the face. The deflection
>off his wrist is irrelevant.
Not unless he had the bat handle in his mouth. His hands were a good foot
from his eye socket! No one wants this to happen, but lets be real here.
Sean
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On 11 Mar 1997, Trevor Hicks wrote:
> Just saw this headline on my Yahoo news page:
>
> Giants 1B J.T. Snow beaned with pitch from Randy Johnson
>
> I have to say that was quite unfair. The pitch did hit Snow in the face,
> but only after deflecting off his wrist. I think Randy was unfairly
> besmirched by the headline.
>
Randy is my favorite Mariner, and probably favorite pitcher of
all-time, so don't think I am attacking him, but from what I've read,
Snow's hand was raised in an effort to protect his face. That would lead
one to believe that the pitch was in an area near his face, and that the
fact that it hit his wrist first just might be, ala Mr. Yang, irrelevant.
This would apply to just this case, and other previous batters that might
have been hit in the face after the ball deflected off the wrist on a RJ
pitch would be looked at in a seperate manner.
That said, no, the pitch was NOT intentional. Yes, Randy WAS
sorry and concerned. I'm sure everyone wishes Snow a quick recovery, hope
to read his name in the box score the morning after opening day.
Side note: A bystander clocked that specific pitch at 97 mph!
Jus' a little more control, Randy, and we all welcome you back.
--Anna--
: And, if it makes any difference to you, RJ was as concerned as anyone
: afterwards.
I know that. That's irrelevant to the point here.
Since Snow raised his arm to protect himself, it sounds like he might've
got hit anyway (or at least, he thought so.)
>Jus' a little more control, Randy, and we all welcome you back.
> --Anna--
Some of us welcome him back unconditionally, Anna.
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methinks thou protesteth too much. The headline was "Snow beaned with
pitch" (passive voice), not, "Johnson beans Snow with pitch" (active
voice). I see no implication of deliberate intent here. It's a cactus
league game, fer crissakes!
>
> I'm not discounting Snow's serious injury, but he *was* at bat against
> the Tall Man Who Throws Fastballs, and he did play in the AL last
> year. What do you suppose he was expecting after RJ had done some
> pretty good pitching for the first five hitters. And he was digging
> in?
Which is pretty much what you have to do to hit in the major leagues,
right? Anyone
who can't or won't dig in should be on the bus to Peoria, pronto.
>
> And, if it makes any difference to you, RJ was as concerned as anyone
> afterwards.
That he was. He was a real pro. But nobody is saying different that I
can tell.
On Wed, 12 Mar 1997, David Wright wrote:
> Some of us welcome him back unconditionally, Anna.
Or in this case, uncontrollably. ;)
Jason
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> I went to see how Jose did today. Well according to
> http://ESPNET.SportsZone.com/mlb/970312/boxscore/anasea.html , the M's
> had no leftfielder today.
If Jose Cruz, Jr. starts the season in Tacoma, the M's really will have no
leftfielder.
:David Wright (dtwr...@texas.net.remove) wrote:
:: sza...@rocky.ucdavis.edu (Albert Yang) wrote:
::
:: >Trevor Hicks (Trevo...@slb.nospam) wrote:
:: >: Just saw this headline on my Yahoo news page:
:: >:
:: >: Giants 1B J.T. Snow beaned with pitch from Randy Johnson
:: >:
:: >: I have to say that was quite unfair. The pitch did hit Snow in the face,
:: >: but only after deflecting off his wrist. I think Randy was unfairly
:: >: besmirched by the headline.
::
:: >How is that unfair? Snow *did* get hit in the face. The deflection
:: >off his wrist is irrelevant.
::
:: Yeah, right, Albert. Your comment sounds as if you think RJ hit him in
:: the face on purpose. What if the pitch had hit the dirt first and then
:: hit Snow in the face? Would that have been irrelevant?
::
:No, it was definitely an accident. However, the headline is accurate.
"Beans"? I've always thought of "beans" as being intentional.
Hmm... that certainly accounts for our little debate. Perhaps the
headline should be changed to "hit by pitch." That should end
the discussion...
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>And, if it makes any difference to you, RJ was as concerned as anyone
>afterwards.
>
>David
>
>
>
It's always bugged me that when a batter gets hurt the pitcher usually just
stands there staring of into space like it's no big deal. I dunno, maybe
that's the protocol. I thought it was really nice that RJ ran over to JT to
see him.
Karen
>I went to see how Jose did today. Well according to
>http://ESPNET.SportsZone.com/mlb/970312/boxscore/anasea.html , the M's
>had no leftfielder today.
How's that different than much of last season? :)
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I like Mr. Snappy. You don't think other clubs that might face Randy
this year weren't talking about this incident? What better way for
Randy to get a start on the season than to let opposing batters know he
is still overpowering, intimidating, and still somewhat WILD. It just
might keep a few of those hitters off the plate a little more. Score
one for Randy.
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> ::
> :No, it was definitely an accident. However, the headline is accurate.
>
> "Beans"? I've always thought of "beans" as being intentional.
NO! not "beans!" (active)
(was) "beaned!"
passive voice!
Beans, beans, I love my beans, better than chicken or turnip
greenzzzz....
Albert Yang <sza...@rocky.ucdavis.edu> wrote in article
<5g7956$9vm$4...@mark.ucdavis.edu>...
> Sean Barrett (fe...@u.washington.edu) wrote:
> : sza...@rocky.ucdavis.edu (Albert Yang) writes:
> :
> : >Trevor Hicks (Trevo...@slb.nospam) wrote:
> : >: Just saw this headline on my Yahoo news page:
> : >:
> : >: Giants 1B J.T. Snow beaned with pitch from Randy Johnson
> : >:
> : >: I have to say that was quite unfair. The pitch did hit Snow in the
face,
> : >: but only after deflecting off his wrist. I think Randy was unfairly
> : >: besmirched by the headline.
> :
> : >How is that unfair? Snow *did* get hit in the face. The deflection
> : >off his wrist is irrelevant.
> :
> : Not unless he had the bat handle in his mouth. His hands were a good
foot
> : from his eye socket! No one wants this to happen, but lets be real
here.
>
> Since Snow raised his arm to protect himself, it sounds like he might've
> got hit anyway (or at least, he thought so.)
>
Right, Randy did hit Snow with the pitch. But the word 'beaned' means he
hit him in the head. Randy 'hit' Snow, he didn't 'bean' him. The fact
that the ball caromed off Snow's wrist into his face isn't Randy's fault.
Pitchers 'hit' batters all the time, it's part of the game. A 'beaning' is
very different.
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:Dylan Bumbarger wrote:
:>
:> sza...@rocky.ucdavis.edu (Albert Yang) wrote:
:>
:> :: >:
:> :: >: Giants 1B J.T. Snow beaned with pitch from Randy Johnson
:> ::
:> :No, it was definitely an accident. However, the headline is accurate.
:>
:> "Beans"? I've always thought of "beans" as being intentional.
:NO! not "beans!" (active)
:(was) "beaned!"
:passive voice!
OK. My mistake.
"Beaned"? I always thought "beaned" implied intent.
Man, I really set myself up for that one...
"I like Mr. Snappy. You don't think other clubs that might face Randy
this year weren't talking about this incident? What better way for
Randy to get a start on the season than to let opposing batters know he
is still overpowering, intimidating, and still somewhat WILD. It just
might keep a few of those hitters off the plate a little more. Score
one for Randy. "
Man, I gotta say, I'm sure Randy Johnson would be a little appalled at
this statement. What happened to J.T. Snow is horrible. He could've lost
his eye. Obviously, he didn't mean to do it and to refer to the incident
as a "score" for Randy seems brutally inappropriate.
Don't mean this as a flame, just saying that the point should be that we
hope J.T. Snow has a swift, complete recovery.
Brett Siler
As I posted earlier, the problem here is we have different definitions
of "beaning." If we use your definition, then I agree. If "beaning" is
the same as "hit by pitch", then the headline was accurate.
I did not mean to imply in any way that Johnson was throwing at Snow.
> Right, Randy did hit Snow with the pitch. But the word 'beaned' means he
> hit him in the head. Randy 'hit' Snow, he didn't 'bean' him. The fact
> that the ball caromed off Snow's wrist into his face isn't Randy's fault.
>
> Pitchers 'hit' batters all the time, it's part of the game. A 'beaning' is
> very different.
Let's stop arguing this minutae. The guy who wrote "beaned" is a bad writer
and should still be working on the college paper instead of a professional
web site with worldwide readership. Like there are guys who shouldn't be in
the major leagues, there are guys who shouldn't be writing professionally.
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I think Mr. Snappy spent one too many days in his psych class.
> methinks thou protesteth too much. The headline was "Snow beaned with
> pitch" (passive voice), not, "Johnson beans Snow with pitch" (active
> voice). I see no implication of deliberate intent here.
The minimum-wage guy writing the headline used bad grammar. Doesn't mean
much either way.
> > I'm not discounting Snow's serious injury, but he *was* at bat against
> > the Tall Man Who Throws Fastballs, and he did play in the AL last
> > year. What do you suppose he was expecting after RJ had done some
> > pretty good pitching for the first five hitters. And he was digging
> > in?
>
> Which is pretty much what you have to do to hit in the major leagues,
> right? Anyone
> who can't or won't dig in should be on the bus to Peoria, pronto.
Uh- Ted Williams? Willie Mays? Those guys were pretty darn good about
hitting the dirt, to hear it told by every chronicler of the day.
But of course back then, if they got hit while standing still at the plate
the umpire wouldn't give 'em first base. Nowadays guys lunge *towards* the
pitch and still get to take their base, rules be damned.
As for the modern day: Ever watched a guy named Edgar Martinez? He seems to
be pretty good at getting out of the way. He's also roughly twice to three
times more valuable than Snow.
> It's interesting. . . I remember a few years ago when Johnson beaned Jim
> Leyritz, Johnson merely bent down and picked up the ball, which had
> bounced all the way back to the mound. Never said a word to Leyritz--in
> fact, he may have left the field while he was being tended to.
Leyritz got hit by a ball that was deflected up about two feet by his
wrist- it wasn't even *near* his face. It was by no means a debilitating
injury like Snow's (Leyritz wanted to stay in the game.)
> And now
> Johnson is a good guy because he ran over to see how JT Snow was doing?
Not only ran over, but ran over *instinctively* the second Snow was
impacted, without even time to consider the public relations ramifications,
as you're implying.
> Maybe Johnson is only a jerk when he intentionally beans someone, like
> Leyritz, but runs over with concern when it was an accident. In my
> opinion, he's a hypocrite.
Didn't bean Leyritz. Did throw inside on purpose, and the only reason the
ball came even close to Leyritz' face was because of Leyritz himself.
Stop being bitter about the 1995 Division Series.
> It's interesting. . . I remember a few years ago when Johnson beaned Jim
> Leyritz, Johnson merely bent down and picked up the ball, which had
> bounced all the way back to the mound. Never said a word to Leyritz--in
> fact, he may have left the field while he was being tended to. And now
As I recall, Jim tried to start mess with Randy, and he obviously
wasn't as hurt as Snow was. Leyritz (if I remember correctly) got hit on
the helmet, not the eye. And there's no way he was trying to hit Leyritz
anyway.
> Johnson is a good guy because he ran over to see how JT Snow was doing?
> Maybe Johnson is only a jerk when he intentionally beans someone, like
> Leyritz, but runs over with concern when it was an accident. In my
> opinion, he's a hypocrite.
Snow was lying on the ground twitching, Leyritz didn't look nearly as
badly off. Besides, Jimmy's the bionic man, a baseball can't hurt him
(but apparently confused him enough so that he felt he needed to wear
armour at the plate and not just behind it).
David Harrison
Live from Seattle
"There's little left to do now but to put our
heads between our knees and wait for the end"
There's a couple of differences.
1. The "beaning" of Leyritz was actually on a pitch that didn't come
anywhere near his head.
2. Leyritz is (from what I've seen and heard on TV) a jerk. Ball hits
him on his arm and he wants to go to war, threatens to hunt down Johnson
after the game and fight him, etc. Maybe Johnson shows no remorse when
he hits a guy that's a jerk -- who knows? Or maybe it is just a Yankee
thing that he has.
3. By contrast, after Leyritz got hit, the Yankee pitcher threw
intentionally at Edgar and hit him. Edgar dusted himself off and
trotted to first. No finger pointing, no threats, no "pro-wrestling"
style posturing a'la Leyritz, nothing. Next at bat, Edgar hit an
incredibly hard line drive.
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> I spoke to someone who was at the game when Johnson hit Snow. He said
> that Johnson was "throwing up" in the bullpen because he was so upset.
> This may be a bit exaggerated, but gives some indication that Johnson
> has some serious remorse about accidently beaning Mr. Snow.
Randy Johnson is a good guy. He does a lot of community work, cares about
the game, and the players. It's clear that he didn't go after Snow - and
he's _got_ to know the danger of his fast ball - clearly, he's aware that
hitting someone with something traveling 85-95 mph is dangerous. It's
why, I'm sure, he's concerned about his control. According to the Niehaus
and/or Rizz, he spoke at length to Snow and his wife after the incident.
Poor guy - heck, both of htem. Anyone know what the prognosis is for JT?
Any word on his vision - probably too early.
Andi
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> It's interesting. . . I remember a few years ago when Johnson beaned Jim
> Leyritz, Johnson merely bent down and picked up the ball, which had
> bounced all the way back to the mound. Never said a word to Leyritz--in
> fact, he may have left the field while he was being tended to. And now
> Johnson is a good guy because he ran over to see how JT Snow was doing?
> Maybe Johnson is only a jerk when he intentionally beans someone, like
> Leyritz, but runs over with concern when it was an accident. In my
> opinion, he's a hypocrite.
Gee, how gracious of you. Maybe in the last few years, Randy's changed,
or grown up. Sheesh - give the guy a break, would you?
A
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> 2. Leyritz is (from what I've seen and heard on TV) a jerk. Ball hits
> him on his arm and he wants to go to war, threatens to hunt down Johnson
> after the game and fight him, etc. Maybe Johnson shows no remorse when
> he hits a guy that's a jerk -- who knows? Or maybe it is just a Yankee
> thing that he has.
Leyritz is a jerk. Watching the devastated look on his face after Junior
scored in game 5 was priceless. His stupid proclamation to hund down
Randy and fight him was almost as laughable as Bobby Bonilla telling the
NY media at his first press conference as a Met that they'd never wipe
that smile off his face.
A couple of months after he hit Leyritz, Randy had a funny quote in Sports
Illustrated about it, laughing off Leyritz's threat. Something to the
extent that he was the intimidator and Leyritz was the intimidatee.
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I saw JT Snow on an interview a couple days ago and he looked remarkably
good. His eye looked as if he been punched and had a recovering black
eye. The eye was open almost all the way with redness and maybe a cut
underneath, but little to no swelling. I read that he no longer has
blurred or double vision and is expected to make a full recovery.
Lucky guy.
Kim