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Eric Bolvin
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Eric Bolvin wrote:
> Why are all the Giants weekday games on TV and none of the A's are??
Because no matter how bad the Giants are, they're still a much better
team than the A's.
noogi...@yahoo.com
the real difference here?
tsp
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Greg Lentz
<tonawan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Stinky.
>
>The Giants -- who haven't won a World Series in 52 years -- can't match
>the A's in any historical category of significance
Especially when you are talking about sheer numbers of dumbass trolls. The
A's have it all over us in that department.
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Greg Lentz
DLe...@gmail.com
and try to sell $2 tickets every Wednesday, we can talk about bandwagon
fans -vs- diehards. I mean...do these diehard A's fans you speak of
ever actually attend baseball games in Oakland when it's not the
playoffs?
dlew
Tonawanda Kardex wrote:
> Arf. If I was indeed a troll, you were just hooked.
>
> But alas, no, you know better. ;)
>
> Seriously, when was the last time one could conclusively argue the
> Giants were "better" than the A's for an entire season? Not 2002, so
> don't even try that one.
>
> 1997? 1998?
Shooty Canseco
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> When the Giants resort to closing off the ENTIRE top level of SBC Park
> and try to sell $2 tickets every Wednesday, we can talk about bandwagon
> fans -vs- diehards. I mean...do these diehard A's fans you speak of
> ever actually attend baseball games in Oakland when it's not the
> playoffs?
Intelligent A's fans like myself don't bother arguing which Bay Area team is
more popular. It's the Giants. We concede that.
Americans buy more Giants tickets than A's tickets. Agreed.
"SBC Park"?
Shooty
Noting that Americans have similarly inexplicable and disproportionate
fondness for Budweiser, Clay Aiken, creationism, and methamphetamine
Greg Lentz
<shooty...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
><DLe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1154563288.2...@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> When the Giants resort to closing off the ENTIRE top level of SBC Park
>> and try to sell $2 tickets every Wednesday, we can talk about bandwagon
>> fans -vs- diehards. I mean...do these diehard A's fans you speak of
>> ever actually attend baseball games in Oakland when it's not the
>> playoffs?
>
>Intelligent A's fans like myself
oxymoron. There are intelligent A's fans, they just have nothing in
common with you.
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Greg Lentz
Shooty Canseco
"Greg Lentz" <nodam...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
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>>Intelligent A's fans like myself
>
> oxymoron. There are intelligent A's fans, they just have nothing in
> common with you.
> --
> Greg Lentz
Ouch. Touche'.
Shooty
In awe
George Grapman
> When the Giants resort to closing off the ENTIRE top level of SBC Park
> and try to sell $2 tickets every Wednesday, we can talk about bandwagon
> fans -vs- diehards. I mean...do these diehard A's fans you speak of
> ever actually attend baseball games in Oakland when it's not the
> playoffs?
>
I believe that from 1968 until the opening of Pacbell the A's had the
overall lead in attendance.
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Jim Garaventa
> Eric Bolvin wrote:
>
>>Why are all the Giants weekday games on TV and none of the A's are??
>
> fans than there are diehard A's fans.
>
> With the ad campaigns the Giants are running to sell tickets, they look
> pretty desperate in that seven-year renewal deal for PSLs, huh?
And yet today.....
http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?
ymd=20060801&content_id=1588098&vkey=pr_sf&fext=.jsp&c_id=sf
Giants surpass 3-million mark in ticket sales for seventh straight year
SAN FRANCISCO, CA -- The San Francisco Giants announced today that they
have surpassed the three million mark in ticket sales for the 2006
season, marking the seventh straight campaign the club has done so since
opening AT&T Park in 2000.
And when was the last time the A's drew 3 million?
Jim
markao
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And when was the last time the SF Giants won a World Series?
rbbo...@netzero.com
I disagree with heat...@aol.com. Although I like both ballclubs and
have rooted for both back when the A's were in Philadelphia and the
Giants were in New York, I think during their Bay Area time, the record
shows the A's to be the better team.
I rather admire the way Mr. Magowan has operated for the benefit of his
franchise and his City. His plan seems to have been to build a
privately-financed ballpark so beautiful and well-located that it would
fill itself for years, field a team built around the greatest and most
controversial ballplayer in the game, provide outstanding field
managers, and promote the product by broadcasting its games on major
outlets throughout the fanbase area. The A's have done none of the
above very well or, as to some items, at all.
--Russ
Greg Lentz
Probably back in the Canseco-McGwire days. The park was always filled
then. I went to several games while I was in college.
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Greg Lentz
Greg Lentz
<rbbo...@netzero.com> wrote:
True, but I don't think there's much separating the Giants' fiscal success
from the A's fiscal success that couldn't be remedied by a nice baseball
only facility closer to downtown. I don't know that it's likely to ever
happen, but I'd like it to.
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Greg Lentz
rbbo...@netzero.com
". . . but I don't think there's much separating the Giants' fiscal
success
> from the A's fiscal success that couldn't be remedied by a nice baseball
> only facility closer to downtown. I don't know that it's likely to ever
> happen, but I'd like it to."
So would I, Greg, but so long as A's ownership sees no future other
than stealing from taxpayers somewhere, I don't think getting a
fan-friendly ballpark is likely to happen.
--Russ
Greg Lentz
<rbbo...@netzero.com> wrote:
>
>Greg Lentz wrote:
>> On 3 Aug 2006 06:22:48 -0700, "rbbo...@netzero.com"
>> <rbbo...@netzero.com> wrote:
>> True, but I don't think there's much separating the Giants' fiscal success
>> from the A's fiscal success that couldn't be remedied by a nice baseball
>> only facility closer to downtown. I don't know that it's likely to ever
>> happen, but I'd like it to.
>
>". . . but I don't think there's much separating the Giants' fiscal success
>> from the A's fiscal success that couldn't be remedied by a nice baseball
>> only facility closer to downtown. I don't know that it's likely to ever
>> happen, but I'd like it to."
>
>So would I, Greg, but so long as A's ownership sees no future other
>than stealing from taxpayers somewhere, I don't think getting a
>fan-friendly ballpark is likely to happen.
That would be too bad.
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Greg Lentz
TheDave©
It's not just ownership, though. It goes straight to the top to our
buddy Mr Selig. Taxpayer funding is the goal... always. The way they
pressed DC for public funding was contemptable, IMHO. I went to a game
in Milwaukee a couple months ago and people there feel that Selig broke
promises to improve the team and produce a winner when they funded
Miller Park. Part of his spiel was that he needed the extra revenue to
invest in the team, and now they feel he lied because they didn't see
any investment before he sold the team at what was probably a higher
profit than he would have gotten without the new stadium.
SF was an unusual situation, and I've read that Magowan is still
somewhat of an outsider (within ownership circles) because of the way
their stadium was financed.
Greg Lentz
Of course. He showed a team could still be very profitable and finance
their own stadium. It really pisses other millionaires off when you
demonstrate that you can get by without sucking on the public teat.
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Greg Lentz
TheDave©
> > And when was the last time the A's drew 3 million?
>
> Probably back in the Canseco-McGwire days. The park was always filled
> then. I went to several games while I was in college.
The most they drew was 2.9 mil. They fell just short of 3.
TheDave©
> > SF was an unusual situation, and I've read that Magowan is still
> > somewhat of an outsider (within ownership circles) because of the
> > way their stadium was financed.
>
> Of course. He showed a team could still be very profitable and
> finance their own stadium. It really pisses other millionaires off
> when you demonstrate that you can get by without sucking on the
> public teat.
Don't get me started. :-/ The older I get the more this particular
issue pisses me off. Personally, I would like nothing more than every
city, county, and state, to say "NO!" whenever any sport wants public
money for an arena or stadium. Maybe some infrastructure improvements,
like streets and utilities, but that stuff helps everybody in the area.
What's that, they say... they're gonna move my favorite team if we
don't cough up the money? Fine. Go.
Shooty Canseco
> than stealing from taxpayers somewhere, I don't think getting a
> fan-friendly ballpark is likely to happen.
I like going to games at the Colisseum. I've been to new parks. Camden,
Jacob's, Coors, Safeco, Bank One (or whatever it's called now). Yeah,
they're nice, nicer even, but only very marginally so.
Really, there's very little difference for the typical fan. I don't do
luxury boxes, so maybe there's a big difference there.
The typical A's fan stands to gain little from a new park. The bandwagon
fan, however, stands to gain a lot (business meetings, exclusive clubs.
swimming pools).
For me, a new park wouldn't do much.
Shooty
wrab
I agree with The Dave on this one, and I'll be in Magowan's
beautiful ballpark August 5. Even if your lady and children hate
baseball, there's plenty there for them to enjoy. The contrast with
Candlestick is beyond measure. Giant fans might not like to face it,
but their team doesn't really have much on the field; even after seven
years the franchise relies in large part on the park's ability to fill
itself, and that happens frequently, even with a mediocre team playing
in a weak division.
As to the financing, my feeling is, if it's possible, even
stronger than The Dave's. I think a sports franchise that demands
taxpayer financing is shoving its ugly snout into the public trough,
and should be denied access by the voters if not by the politicians who
supposedly represent us. Magowan has shown the billionaires a way to
finance a ballpark, but who's following his path?
OT Note: Not incidentally, even though Connie Mack was a notorious
skinflint, his Philadelphia park for the A's was privately financed.
The Phillies, of course, demanded tax-based financing at Veterans
Stadium and at the new Citizens Bank Park there. They should be
prosecuted.
--Sorry for the outburst. Russ
TheDave©
I don't know this to be fact for sure, but I believe the first
publically financed MLB stadium was Cleveland Stadium in the early
1930s. That was more of a depression-era work program more so than a
"we demand you build us a stadium" thing, but it sure set an ugly
precedent. All the ones before that were private money.
The next one that I'm aware of was Milwaukee's County Stadium, and that
was over 20 years later.
Jamal Bernhard
> Giant fans might not like to face it,
> but their team doesn't really have much on the field;
Not this year, but that's not true of the past 7 years in general.
> even after seven
> years the franchise relies in large part on the park's ability to fill
> itself,
And Bonds' ability to draw fans, too.
But the Giants have won division titles and been to a world series in
the last 7 years, so their attendance is not totally based on the
ballpark. Candlestick was simply a terrible place to watch baseball. I'm
sure there are fans that didn't go to Candlestick even when the Giants
were good, but will go to the new park *as long as* the Giants are good.
Yes the park draws fans, but the success of the team affects attendance
too. We'll see what happens over the next couple years if we stay as
shitty as we are now. Then we'll know how much is the park vs. the team.
> and that happens frequently, even with a mediocre team playing
> in a weak division.
The division as a whole is 3 games under .500. The Giants who are in
last place would be in 3rd place in the Central. I'm not sure that
really qualifies as a "weak" division. The Central is a whopping 44
games under .500. If the West is weak, what does that make *them*?
Greg Lentz
>
>Shooty Canseco wrote:
>> > So would I, Greg, but so long as A's ownership sees no future other
>> > than stealing from taxpayers somewhere, I don't think getting a
>> > fan-friendly ballpark is likely to happen.
>>
>> I like going to games at the Colisseum. I've been to new parks. Camden,
>> Jacob's, Coors, Safeco, Bank One (or whatever it's called now). Yeah,
>> they're nice, nicer even, but only very marginally so.
>>
>> Really, there's very little difference for the typical fan. I don't do
>> luxury boxes, so maybe there's a big difference there.
>>
>> The typical A's fan stands to gain little from a new park. The bandwagon
>> fan, however, stands to gain a lot (business meetings, exclusive clubs.
>> swimming pools).
>> For me, a new park wouldn't do much.
>>
>> Shooty
>
> I agree with The Dave on this one, and I'll be in Magowan's
>beautiful ballpark August 5. Even if your lady and children hate
>baseball, there's plenty there for them to enjoy. The contrast with
>Candlestick is beyond measure. Giant fans might not like to face it,
>but their team doesn't really have much on the field; even after seven
>years the franchise relies in large part on the park's ability
It's all we talk about right now. Basically it's Bonds chasing the home
run record and a bunch of other guys with walkers.
--
Greg Lentz
rbbo...@netzero.com
Yes. In addition to the ballpark, there's Bonds' chase of Aaron, and
there are some good guys: Moises Alou for one, Ray Durham for another,
Omar Visquel, Steve Finley, and we'll all miss Mike Metheny the way
football fans miss Steve Young. You're right, though; most of the good
guys are overage, and their best years were elsewhere with other
ballclubs. Still, I'll be there Saturday cheering them on. The most
recent Giants home game I attended was on a spectacularly beautiful
Saturday afternoon by the bay, June 24 against the A's. I'm an A's fan,
yet even I enjoyed the shock of Ray Durham's walk-off homer and the
mixed response of a mixed sellout crowd. There are grand baseball days
no matter who wins. We live in a great area for baseball, especially
day games under the sun as God intended.
Paul Lujan
> As to the financing, my feeling is, if it's possible, even
> stronger than The Dave's. I think a sports franchise that demands
> taxpayer financing is shoving its ugly snout into the public trough,
> and should be denied access by the voters if not by the politicians who
> supposedly represent us. Magowan has shown the billionaires a way to
> finance a ballpark, but who's following his path?
For what it's worth, most of the new Busch Stadium was privately financed.
Of course, that's one out of, what, six parks that have opened since Pac
Bell?
--Paul