Trade Joe Nathan
infield homerun
Time to revive this.
the startribune poll was a 50/50 split.
brianj
I'm not necessarily opposed, but I would want to have some idea about
who would fill his large shoes. I used to think Neshek was going to
be the man, but it would surprise me if he would be ready in 2010. I
don't know, maybe they could make a closer out of Crain, but I'd want
to see some evidence first. Liriano would be great, if he were at all
capable of getting outs anymore. Maybe next year.
The Twins have a pretty long history of having good closers: Reardon,
Bedrosian, Aguilara, LaTroy was servicable for a while, Eddie G., and
then Nathan (I was going to throw Ron Davis in, just as a joke.). If
you watch other teams who have no good, solid closer, it's like the
Twins have an almost unfair advantage. We are not accustomed to
worrying about the 9th inning.
Now if you want to say that Joe is slipping, and so we do, in fact,
have to worry about the 9th, then you would also have to assume that
any team Nathan got traded to would have that fear too. So if that is
the case, what is he worth? And it is anybody's guess. I mean, at
the end of the season, did we witness the beginning of the end of his
dominance, or was it just a slump? He has done this before, and I
thought it was all over, but he had a great season this year, and
really, until late in the year, he was what I would call dominant. I
have always harbored a hope that since he came to pitching so late in
life, and since for several years, he has thrown relatively few
pitches, he might last a very long time.
So is your interest in the subject based on a belief that Nathan's
best days are behind him, or is it that you think the Twins could get
real value out of him because he is still great? Or is it something
else?
brianj
kap...@example.com
I tend to think he'd still be a valuable commodity and the Twins could
put his $11 million salary to work on a starter (or two), or everyday
players. Hopefully they could have a much less one sided deal than
they made for Santana.
The Twins long history of good closers does bode well - I think its
worth the gamble that Neshek, Mijares or maybe even Guerrier could
fill the role. Not trying to undercut the need for a good closer, but
look at the Phils making the NLCS with Brad Lidge: 7+ ERA, 0-8 W/L
record and 11 blown saves.
infield homerun
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> On Oct 14, 2:54 pm, "infield homerun" <baseb...@always.com> wrote:
> > I recall seeing a post earlier(powrwarp?), maybe a couple of months ago.
> > Time to revive this.
>
> best days are behind him, or is it that you think the Twins could get
> real value out of him because he is still great? Or is it something
> else?
He is 35. He has not seemed automatic in the recent past.
He doesn't seem to be as overpowering in the latter half of the season.
Literally, too many close "shaves".
Also, his postseason record is nothing to rave about.
8G, 1S, 2L, 2BS with an ERA of 7.88.
His regular season stats over the past few years has been very good.
Maybe there is a team that will be enticed to give over a few Twins needs.
He will make over $22 mil the next two seasons. Maybe you can get a
cheaper closer and invest this to keep the MVP. What works for the
Twins during regular season does not work in the post-season.
Barring a complete meltdown in the AL East, the Twins will face one
of RedSox or Yankees every year. The Twins need some pop to
either put them away or to come back from behind.
Matt
>
> He will make over $22 mil the next two seasons. Maybe you can get a
> cheaper closer and invest this to keep the MVP. What works for the
> Twins during regular season does not work in the post-season.
> Barring a complete meltdown in the AL East, the Twins will face one
> of RedSox or Yankees every year. The Twins need some pop to
> either put them away or to come back from behind.
Yeah. Nathan still has the big name that other teams are going to
associate with dominance. If there's ever going to be a time to deal
him, it's now. But you have to get some quality in return, and not
just minor leaguers. You've gotta resign Joe Mauer this off-season.
Trading your All-Star closer for prospects does not send the message
he wants to hear.
As for potential replacements, what about Rausch? He's done it before,
with some success.
Matt
Likely Story
"Matt" <aces...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>Matt
Twins are going to have to shell out major money for Mauer.
At least 20 mill a season for at least 5 years.
Hopefully for the Twins' fans sake, the cheapness of the organization has
died along with their owner.
powrwrap
> Hopefully for the Twins' fans sake, the cheapness of the organization has
> died along with their owner.
BTW, how are these contracts working out for your team?
Magglio Ordonez
.310, 9 HR, 50 RBI; $18M this year, $18M next year
Jeremy Bonderman
10.1 IP, 8.32 ERA, 2.32 WHIP; $12.5M this year, $12.5M next year
Carlos Guillen
.242, 11 HR, 41 RBI; $10M this year, $13M next year
Dontrelle Willis
33.2 IP, 7.49 ERA, 1.93 WHIP; $10M this year, $12M next year
Aubrey Huff
.189, 2 HR, 13 RBI; $8M this year (pro-rated after trade)
Nate Robertson
49.2 IP, 5.44 ERA, 1.75 WHIP, $7M this year, $10M next year
Just wondering...
Scott Smith
Ouch. All that wasted Tigers payroll and not a single division
title to show for it.
Not to mention the Tigers awful season last year.
.
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Likely Story
LOL
;-)
Likely Story
Just wondering.
You are one ugly bald dude.
LOL!
Likely Story
"infield homerun" <base...@always.com> wrote in message
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>I recall seeing a post earlier(powrwarp?), maybe a couple of months ago.
> Time to revive this.
>
> the startribune poll was a 50/50 split.
>
>
>
Will a bag of balls suffice?
That's all he's worth.
;-)
brianj
First round of what? The playoffs that your team got to watch on TV.
brianj
Scott Smith
Not to mention that it was a playoff series that the Tigers SHOULD
have been in, had they not choked in the late part of the season....
again.
I still think Leyland is ultimately to blame. Some real bone-headed
decisions over the last few weeks of the Tigers season.
powrwrap
> BTW, how are these contracts working out for your team?
>
> Magglio Ordonez
> .310, 9 HR, 50 RBI; $18M this year, $18M next year
>
> Jeremy Bonderman
> 10.1 IP, 8.32 ERA, 2.32 WHIP; $12.5M this year, $12.5M next year
>
> Carlos Guillen
> .242, 11 HR, 41 RBI; $10M this year, $13M next year
>
> Dontrelle Willis
> 33.2 IP, 7.49 ERA, 1.93 WHIP; $10M this year, $12M next year
>
> Aubrey Huff
> .189, 2 HR, 13 RBI; $8M this year (pro-rated after trade)
>
> Nate Robertson
> 49.2 IP, 5.44 ERA, 1.75 WHIP, $7M this year, $10M next year
>
> Just wondering...
I just noticed that if you add up these stiff's 2009 salaries they add
up to the entire opening day payroll for the Twins. LOL.