Bowden is as much to blame...
David Allen
In addition to Bob Boone getting fired, which MUST happen before I attend
another Red's game, (The Reds will not get any more money from me for
tickets, parking and concessions), Jim Bowden should be fired as well.
Lets not forget...
- May 24, 1993, Tony Perez fired as Reds manager after club falls to 20-24,
91/2 games out of first. Firing comes via a phone call from General Manager
Jim Bowden.
- Ron Oester has never wavered in saying Bowden offered him the Reds'
managerial job in 2000 and gave him time to think about it. But before
Oester could get back to Bowden to accept the job, Bowden had offered the
job to Bob Boone, who took it. Oester has never forgiven Bowden.
- May 27, 2000, Tony Perez's number retired, Jim Bowden, the Reds general
manager who fired Perez, was invited to take part in the on-field
ceremonies, but declined.
“I didn't want to be there as a reminder of him getting fired after 44
games,” Bowden said. “I didn't think that was the classy thing to do.”
- Cincinnati Reds general manager Jim Bowden and his wife, Amy, quietly
settled their contentious divorce. The case had lasted for almost two years
and was close to a trial before a settlement was reached on property
division. The final order came Feb. 19 from Judge Susan Laker Tolbert. The
case threatened at several points to involve the Reds, including travel
records from the team. And Amy Bowden is dating Reds minority owner Bill
Reik.
- It is Bowden who has embarrassed the Reds by joking that players should
strike on Sept. 11, by claiming that team doctor Tim Kremchek had
misdiagnosed Griffey's hamstring injury, and by the clumsy handling of Ron
Oester's managerial bid. This past winter, it was Bowden who, in the pending
divorce case with his former wife, Amy, attempted to name a Reds owner,
William Reik -- who will be married to Amy Bowden on April 12 -- as a
third-party defendant. But for an 11th-hour settlement, the whole soap opera
would have gone public.
- By the way, from a July 26, 2001 Enquirer article... Turns out Amy
Bowden,in the process of divorcing husband and Reds GM Jim Bowden since
April, is dating New Yorker Bill Reik one of the Reds co-owners. “It's a
simple story, really,” Reik says. “I heard about Amy's divorce in April and
made a call. I told her I was sorry and asked about her five boys. “After
that, we started chatting and finally got together in June. She's a
magnificent person and wonderful mother. I'm glad I made the call.”
I was listening to WLW a few months ago and a caller made a reference to Jim
Bowden's girlfriend, the commentator said that he was not going to get
involved in Bowden's personal life. That led me to assume he had this
girlfriend while he was married???
I'm sorry, this guy, much like Don Gullet, is not the panacea everyone has
made him out to be. This guy is not a class act, in fact, he's a bum.
Mike Oxbig
"David Allen" <jda...@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote in message
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Who's Gullet screwing?
David Allen
being heralded as an outstanding pitching coach and IMHO, he's not. He's
just a nice guy who was a local hero back in the 70's.
Bowden has been heralded as a GM that has scratched teams together from
nothing. Please notice that he placed no higher than Boone in the SI
players poll. And Bowden is not a nice guy, in fact, he's a chicken-shit,
selfish louse who worships himself.
That was my point.
Mike Oxbig
I got it David. I was just funnin' with ya'. :)
I don't think you can mention Gullet and Bowden in the same breath.
Bowden hands Gullet a box of twigs and says, "Build me a house." No not
twigs.........dead sticks!
David Short
> Bowden has been heralded as a GM that has scratched teams together from
> nothing. Please notice that he placed no higher than Boone in the SI
> players poll. And Bowden is not a nice guy, in fact, he's a chicken-shit,
> selfish louse who worships himself.
>
> That was my point.
I don't think anybody reading this newsgroup thinks Jim Bowden is
a "nice guy." That's just silly.
I've long supported Bowden, but I agree that it is time to go. It's not
just the interpersonal stuff, although that stuff is distracting. Bowden
is very good at certain things. He does well with the rule 5 draft. He
can fill the back end of a rotation. He's not afraid to sign/acquire several
toolsy failed prospects and let one of them become Jose Guillen, or to
look for an injured star that can be a bat on the cheap (Eric Davis/Ron
Gant)
Bowden does a fine job of making your 5th place team come in second
or third....but I don't think he can get a team over the hump. They can't
keep dumping everybody that makes a million and isn't a name star.
That just has to change.
dfs
Kevin McClave
wrote:
He obviously also cannot build a team with "young talent" through the
minor league system. Hell, if not for another team(s)'s castoff, where
would we be this year? Yes, there's Boone and Kearns and Dunn and that
ain't a bad place to start by anyone's standards, but where's the rest of
all of that "cheap young talent?"
What he's good at is the cutesy stuff...signing guys nobody else wants, a
lot of 'em, and taking a bow when one or two do anything. Signing draft
picks to major league contracts, or trading for "Sammy Sosa" in five
years, to prove that he's a "genius" and that so and so really wasn't
"unsignable" and thus hamstringing the roster for the next three or four
years because of it. Making trade agreements ahead of the expansion draft
so you can get your players back, and then winking at the camera to show
what a clever dude you are. Actually, history will show that last one
worked out pretty well.
In a nutshell, in addition to clearly being a slimeball, Bowden is also
predominantly concerned with being clever at the expense of being good. He
believes his rep.
ASBC-R: where every old discussion is new again. d:^)
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Kevin McClave
http://www.kpmcclave.com/splash.html
"Random acts of kindness are the grace that
holds the world together." ~Paul Daugherty
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David Short
> In a nutshell, in addition to clearly being a slimeball, Bowden is also
> predominantly concerned with being clever at the expense of being good. He
> believes his rep.
well put.
> ASBC-R: where every old discussion is new again. d:^)
Nah. this time we agree.
dfs