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Kommienezuspadt

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Dec 13, 2009, 7:02:18 AM12/13/09
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May be a procedural move -- but the Reds cut Gomes making him a free agent
instead of offering him arbitration. They can re-sign him.

The Reds did offer contracts to N. Masset & J. Burton


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4737551


David Short

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Dec 13, 2009, 10:42:23 AM12/13/09
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"Kommienezuspadt" <NoS...@NoThanks.net> wrote in message
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> May be a procedural move -- but the Reds cut Gomes making him a free agent
> instead of offering him arbitration. They can re-sign him.
was a surprise to me.

I thought he would be back as the opening day left fielder.

Odd that they have money for Hernandez but not for Gomes.
Hopefully they really do give a clear shot to Frazier, Francisco or Heisy.
I would much rather they do that than bring in an overpriced fading name
like Dye.

dfs


paul

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Dec 13, 2009, 1:56:59 PM12/13/09
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When a player is eligible for arbitration, can the club offer a
contract without committing to arbitration? Or are cutting and
arbitration the only choices?

David Short

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Dec 13, 2009, 2:28:24 PM12/13/09
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>"paul" <paul...@infi.net> wrote in message

During the first three years of a players major league service, a team can
pay a player anything they want as long as they pay the major league
minimum.

During years 4-6 a team can either sign a player, go to mutual arbitration
or not offer arbitration and release the player so he becomes a free agent.
If a team ofers arbitration, the player has to accept it. This is where
Gomes is and they decided they would rather release Gomes than go to
arbitration with him.

After year 6 a team can either sign a player, release a player or offer
arbitration. If the team offers arbitration and the player refuses, the the
player becomes a free agent and the team may recieve compensation from the
team that does end up signing him.

dfs


HTP

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Dec 14, 2009, 1:04:59 PM12/14/09
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On Dec 13, 7:42 am, "David Short"

I'm kinda glad this happened. Gomes is rather 1-dimensional. A very
good dimension and one that the Reds could really use but i think that
his lack of defense and the uncertainty about how he'll fair against
righties over a full season are reasons not to get too high on him. I
liked him as a platoon player and a RH bat off the bench but i didnt
want to see him in LF every day. I wouldnt throw alot of money his way
or lock him up longterm.

Lets assume he's not coming back and isnt being relaced from outside
the org.

Bruce is a lock in right
Stubbs will have to crash badly to lose the CF job

The candidates for LF are:

Dickerson
Taveras
Balentien
Frazier
Heisey
Francisco
Votto or Alonso

roughly in that order (did i miss anyone?)

None of these guys are going to replace Gomes power from the right
side (although Francisco/Alonso could from the left), but they bring
other skills that Gomes doesnt have. I have Dickerson listed first but
this assumes health. If I have to lay money, i'll bet that Taveras
gets most of the first half reps in LF and is eventually replaced by
Frazier. Theres your first ASBCR poll question David.

Will we get enough RH power from Phillips/Rolen/Stubbs/Hernandez?
Doubtful. None of these guys is a lock to break 25 HR. The Reds could
sorely use a 30+ RH homerun guy. Theyre not taking advantage of GABP
but i dont see Gomes as a good answer.

-------------------------

The Pirates non-tendered thier closer and thier big signing thus far
has been Bobby Crosby so it looks like we wont be finishing in the
cellar at least.


David Short

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Dec 14, 2009, 4:16:46 PM12/14/09
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HTP wrote:
> On Dec 13, 7:42 am, "David Short"
> <David.No.Sh...@Spam.Wright.Please.Edu> wrote:
>> "Kommienezuspadt" <NoS...@NoThanks.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:4b24d7cd$0$25000$882e...@news.ThunderNews.com...> May be a procedural move -- but the Reds cut Gomes making him a free agent
>>> instead of offering him arbitration. They can re-sign him.
>> was a surprise to me.
>>
>> I thought he would be back as the opening day left fielder.
>>
>> Odd that they have money for Hernandez but not for Gomes.
>> Hopefully they really do give a clear shot to Frazier, Francisco or Heisy.
>> I would much rather they do that than bring in an overpriced fading name
>> like Dye.
>>
>> dfs
>
> I'm kinda glad this happened. Gomes is rather 1-dimensional. A very
> good dimension and one that the Reds could really use but i think that
> his lack of defense and the uncertainty about how he'll fair against
> righties over a full season are reasons not to get too high on him. I
> liked him as a platoon player and a RH bat off the bench but i didnt
> want to see him in LF every day. I wouldnt throw alot of money his way
> or lock him up longterm.

Word was he was looking for 1.5 million or so. I just don't see how you
can pass on him for that kind of money. Sure he's not worth a multi-year
8 million dollar contract, but that doesn't seem to be what he was
expecting.

> Lets assume he's not coming back and isnt being relaced from outside
> the org.
>
> Bruce is a lock in right
> Stubbs will have to crash badly to lose the CF job
>
> The candidates for LF are:
>
> Dickerson
> Taveras
> Balentien
> Frazier
> Heisey
> Francisco
> Votto or Alonso
>
> roughly in that order (did i miss anyone?)
>
> None of these guys are going to replace Gomes power from the right
> side (although Francisco/Alonso could from the left), but they bring
> other skills that Gomes doesnt have. I have Dickerson listed first but
> this assumes health. If I have to lay money, i'll bet that Taveras
> gets most of the first half reps in LF and is eventually replaced by
> Frazier. Theres your first ASBCR poll question David.
>
> Will we get enough RH power from Phillips/Rolen/Stubbs/Hernandez?
> Doubtful. None of these guys is a lock to break 25 HR. The Reds could
> sorely use a 30+ RH homerun guy. Theyre not taking advantage of GABP
> but i dont see Gomes as a good answer.

The reds are sayin the job is Heisy's to lose. He did well in the AFL
and all. I will be (pleasantly) surprised if they don't bring in somebody.

dfs

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