The Red Sox just swept...
O. Pointy Byrd
Yes, the Angels are better than the Twins and Yankees.
They are even better than the Cardinals, who piled up a bunch of wins in
the very weak National League, and perhaps the worst division in
baseball, the NL Central.
The Angels scared me more than any other team in the postseason, and
they swept.
Sweet.
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the things which are, without tormenting or troubling myself about
those which may indeed be, but of which I have no evidence.
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Steve Robbins
GriffinSPA...@comcast.net says...
> O. Pointy Byrd wrote:
> > ...the best potential opponent they could face in the entire postseason.
> >
> > Yes, the Angels are better than the Twins and Yankees.
> >
> > They are even better than the Cardinals, who piled up a bunch of wins in
> > the very weak National League, and perhaps the worst division in
> > baseball, the NL Central.
> >
> > The Angels scared me more than any other team in the postseason, and
> > they swept.
> >
> > Sweet.
>
> postseason is still questionable, and Santana is pretty much the only
> pitcher on the Twins I am worrying about.
I disagree. I would not take the NL teams lightly. St Louis has a
powerhouse lineup. Houston has some good pitching, even without
Pettite.
The ALCS certainly won't be a pushover either. None of these teams
made it here by being given the berth. They earned it.
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Fred Burton
Griffin Spencer wrote in message ...
>Steve Robbins wrote:
>
>
>> I disagree. I would not take the NL teams lightly. St Louis has a
>> powerhouse lineup. Houston has some good pitching, even without
>> Pettite.
>
>worry about the NL teams until (or if, whichever you prefer) we beat
>either the Yankees or the Twins. The NL teams are very good.
Only the Astros and Cardinals concern me at all. IMHO, the Dodgers are
toast. The Braves aren't out of it, but it will take a great effort by the
Braves to win in a park where the Astros have a 19 (?) game home winning
streak.
>
>> The ALCS certainly won't be a pushover either. None of these teams
>> made it here by being given the berth. They earned it.
>
>I know that, but I am saying that the Red Sox can handle mediocre
>pitching, which is what these teams have. Other teams may not have
>fared so well against them.
>
If it were anyone other than the Yankees, I'd agree. When it's the Yanks,
who really knows? The Sox with Schilling and Pedro starting in games 1 & 2
could return to Fenway up 2-0, particularly if the Twins push the series to
5 games and Mussina pitches Sunday. If the Sox could manage such a great
start to the series, the Yanks would be in deep trouble.
The Red Sox will have to make the very most of their great hitting. They
need to take advantage of their opportunities and drive the Yanks starters
from the games early, and get into their weak middle relief (i.e. most
anyone other then Gordon and Rivera).
Against the Twins (unlikely, IMHO), I think that the Twins weak offense
would be even weaker against the Sox very strong pitching. Furthermore,
Santana wouldn't be pitching until Wednesday at a minimum on 3 days rest
(unlikely) or game 3 in boston on 5 days rest. Also, Radke wouldn't be
available to pitch in the first 2 games either. This would leave the Sox
with an awesome pitching advantage where Schilling and Pedro would be going
against the Twins' #3 and #4 starters. A 2-0 advantage would not be all
that unexpected in that scenario.
It will be still be a chellence to win the ALCS. But if the Red Sox' great
starting pitching stays solid, the Yanks will have to really step it up a
notch and their weak starters will have to pitch better than they have been.
Steve Robbins
GriffinSPA...@comcast.net says...
> I know that, but I am saying that the Red Sox can handle mediocre
> pitching, which is what these teams have. Other teams may not have
> fared so well against them.
You might want to take a second look at Minnesota's pitching. Not
hardly mediocre.
Griffin Spencer
> You might want to take a second look at Minnesota's pitching. Not
> hardly mediocre.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3mnr5
The Braves pitching is #1 in ERA, yet they aren't doing good in the
playoffs. The cubs are number 3, yet they arent even in the playoffs.
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Griffin Spencer - A proud reader of a.s.b.b-r since November 2003
Mac
>From: "O. Pointy Byrd" sso...@PHILadelphia.net
>Date: 10/9/2004 4:27 PM Eastern Standard Time
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Steve Robbins
GriffinSPA...@comcast.net says...
> Steve Robbins wrote:
>
> > You might want to take a second look at Minnesota's pitching. Not
> > hardly mediocre.
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/3mnr5
>
> The Braves pitching is #1 in ERA, yet they aren't doing good in the
> playoffs. The cubs are number 3, yet they arent even in the playoffs.
I guess I don't follow you then. Minnesota had the best staff in the
AL in the regular season, but we aren't suppose to be concerned about
their pitching?
The Braves were #1 in the majors, St Louis #2, LA #4, Houston #7. All
of these are better than the Sox' staff. I think the Sox should be
concerned with the pitching. Just because the Cubs didn't make the
playoffs with the #3 staff doesn't make all the regular season pitching
irrelevant.
Or am I misinterpreting what you are saying?
Mac
>From: "O. Pointy Byrd" sso...@PHILadelphia.net
>Date: 10/9/2004 4:27 PM Eastern Standard Time
>...the best potential opponent they could face in the entire postseason.
>
>Yes, the Angels are better than the Twins and Yankees.
>
>They are even better than the Cardinals, who piled up a bunch of wins in
>the very weak National League, and perhaps the worst division in
>baseball, the NL Central.
>
>The Angels scared me more than any other team in the postseason, and
>they swept.
>
>Sweet.
As much as I wish this was true, it isn't.
A. The best thing about the Anaheim Angels was their trio of relief pitchers;
K-Rod, Donnelly, Percival. Statistically the trio of relief pitchers from the
Twins; Romero, Rincon, Nathan - are better.
B. According the baseball prospectus the Twins have two pitchers (Satana and
Radke) who are better than our combination of Schilling and Pedro.
C. The Yankees set a number of records like most comebacks. The Anaheim Angels
had two of their most productive players on the bench (Guillen and Kennedy).
And I am not even going to delve into the National League.
I am not going to take anything away from the Red Sox because they played a
fantastic series. However, out of the four teams in the American League I think
we had the easiest to face.
BR549
lower than the AL teams.
Mac
>From: Griffin Spencer GriffinSPA...@comcast.net
>Date: 10/9/2004 6:44 PM Eastern Standard Time
>The Angels were
>supposed to have an excellent bullpen, and they a) either didnt show up
>or b) were very hittable.<
I am not sure how much stock we can hold in this. Troy Percival didn't throw
one pitch in the series. K-Rod lost two games but average 9 k's per 9 innings
in those two games, in reality he pitched lights out against us. Brendan
Donnelly was the one who had problems in game two but pitched lights out in
game three. We saw the best out of K-Rod, we didn't see Percy, and we did good
against Donnelly. I think that is a fair assessment.
> St. Louis's pitching does not concern me, the
>Yankees pitching does not concern me, and the only pitcher that concerns
>me on the Twins is Santana.<
Brad Radke should concern you as well because according to Baseball Prospectus
he was a better option than Pedro Martinez coming into the playoffs. Lets also
not forget about the trio of relief pitchers from the Twins who were
statistically better than the trio from the Angels.
Griffin Spencer
> Brad Radke should concern you as well because according to Baseball Prospectus
> he was a better option than Pedro Martinez coming into the playoffs. Lets also
> not forget about the trio of relief pitchers from the Twins who were
> statistically better than the trio from the Angels.
So, what you are saying is that Radke and Santana are the two we should
be worrying about? If so, we have an easy solution: Pitch Pedro and
Schilling to counter that pitching brought to the table by the Twins.
All I was saying is that their pitching is definetly hittable. We have
a very good offense, which can destroy bad, or even mediocre pitching,
which I feel the Twins and Yankees have.
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>
> I know that, but I am saying that the Red Sox can handle mediocre
> pitching, which is what these teams have. Other teams may not have
> fared so well against them.
Tell that to all the rookies and journeymen that the Sox made look like
Nolan Ryan this year.....
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Mac
>So, what you are saying is that Radke and Santana are the two we should
>be worrying about? <
I am saying that Radke / Santana are better than Washburn / Colon meaning that
the Twins would pose more of a threat then the Anaheim Angels which is the
original topic of this thread.
Fred Burton
BR549 wrote in message <45qgm0d4oo41dtjn5...@4ax.com>...
>Because of the lack of a DH, the NL ERA is always going to be a bit
>lower than the AL teams.
>
league. Probably better to compare their ERA ranking within the league.
Steve Robbins
> Steve Robbins wrote:
>
> > I guess I don't follow you then. Minnesota had the best staff in the
> > AL in the regular season, but we aren't suppose to be concerned about
> > their pitching?
> >
> > The Braves were #1 in the majors, St Louis #2, LA #4, Houston #7. All
> > of these are better than the Sox' staff. I think the Sox should be
> > concerned with the pitching. Just because the Cubs didn't make the
> > playoffs with the #3 staff doesn't make all the regular season pitching
> > irrelevant.
> >
> > Or am I misinterpreting what you are saying?
>
> you are saying, but I just think there is more to it than what is
> written down on paper.
I will have to disagree then. Just because the Sox were able to hit
the Angels pen doesn't make all pitchers hittable. Overconfidence is a
bad thing right now. The Sox do have the best offense out there. BUt
that doesn't make the good pitching hittable automatically.
Richard Gadsden
fbu...@starfire.mv.com (Fred Burton) wrote:
> Only the Astros and Cardinals concern me at all.
Odds are, that's the NLCS, though.
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"I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death
your right to say it" - Attributed to Voltaire
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"Steve Robbins" <srobb...@no.spam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I disagree. I would not take the NL teams lightly. St Louis has a
> powerhouse lineup. Houston has some good pitching, even without
> Pettite.
Who is Pettite?
Steve Robbins
says...
Annick Pettite. Makes perfume. You know the Astros' pitchers need to
smell good.
gn...@bigdogispnospam.com
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> says...
> >
> > "Steve Robbins" <srobb...@no.spam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.1bd200231...@News.Individual.NET...
> > > I disagree. I would not take the NL teams lightly. St Louis has a
> > > powerhouse lineup. Houston has some good pitching, even without
> > > Pettite.
> >
> > Who is Pettite?
>
> Annick Pettite. Makes perfume. You know the Astros' pitchers need to
> smell good.
For you maybe. I don't sniff their asses. ^~*">
Steve Robbins
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> > Annick Pettite. Makes perfume. You know the Astros' pitchers need to
> > smell good.
>
> For you maybe. I don't sniff their asses. ^~*">
I wouldn't sniff Clemens!