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bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:43:50 PM10/4/12
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# Today’s inductee to the Twitter Hall of the Very Good is Bobby
Valentine, a manager, SS, ballroom dancer, and culinary inventor.
Valentine, a manager, SS, ballroom dancer, and culinary inventor.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:44:16 PM10/4/12
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# Valentine managed 16 big league seasons (1985-92, 1996-2002, 2012),
going 1186-1165 with one NL championship--and one in Japan.
going 1186-1165 with one NL championship--and one in Japan.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:44:37 PM10/4/12
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# The brilliant but controversial Valentine is currently 37th all-time
in games managed in the American majors, and 40th in wins.
in games managed in the American majors, and 40th in wins.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:44:54 PM10/4/12
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# Valentine was born 62 years ago in Stamford, Connecticut. He was a
ballroom dancing champion and starred in football/baseball.
ballroom dancing champion and starred in football/baseball.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:45:12 PM10/4/12
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# Valentine attended USC, where he was seen as a potential successor
to O.J. Simpson, but instead focused on baseball.
to O.J. Simpson, but instead focused on baseball.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:45:27 PM10/4/12
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# Valentine was chosen 5th overall by the Dodgers in their legendary
1968 draft, which also included Garvey, Lopes, Cey, and Buckner.
1968 draft, which also included Garvey, Lopes, Cey, and Buckner.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:45:57 PM10/4/12
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# Valentine was an instant sensation in the minors, winning MVPs in
1968 and 1970 (.340/.389/.522, 122 R, 14 HR, 80 RBI, 29 SB).
1968 and 1970 (.340/.389/.522, 122 R, 14 HR, 80 RBI, 29 SB).
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:46:21 PM10/4/12
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# Valentine pinch-ran 5 times for the Dodgers in 1969, at 19, but came
up for good in 1971, serving as a utility man for 2 seasons.
up for good in 1971, serving as a utility man for 2 seasons.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:46:34 PM10/4/12
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# Valentine was traded to the Angels with Frank Robinson, Bill Singer,
and 2 others for Andy Messersmith and Ken McMullen on 11/28/72.
and 2 others for Andy Messersmith and Ken McMullen on 11/28/72.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:46:50 PM10/4/12
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# Valentine got off to a fine start in 1973, but had a gruesome leg
fracture after running into a wall in May, while filling in at CF.
fracture after running into a wall in May, while filling in at CF.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:47:04 PM10/4/12
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# Valentine hung around through 1979, also playing for the Padres,
Mets, and Mariners, but the injury effectively ruined his career.
Mets, and Mariners, but the injury effectively ruined his career.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:47:19 PM10/4/12
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# Valentine retired at age 29 with a .260/.315/.326 line (85 OPS+),
with 12 homers in 1698 at-bats, covering ten seasons.
with 12 homers in 1698 at-bats, covering ten seasons.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:47:36 PM10/4/12
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# The bright, energetic Valentine was always seen as managerial
material, and he began his apprenticeship as a coach for the Mets.
material, and he began his apprenticeship as a coach for the Mets.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:47:51 PM10/4/12
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# Texas hired Valentine as manager in May 1985. He got a lot of
acclaim in 1986, leading the Rangers to a 2nd place finish (87-75).
acclaim in 1986, leading the Rangers to a 2nd place finish (87-75).
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:48:24 PM10/4/12
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# Valentine's teams over the years, at least prior to 2012,
consistently outperformed their Pythagorean W-L estimates.
consistently outperformed their Pythagorean W-L estimates.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:48:52 PM10/4/12
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# Open to new ideas, Valentine worked with advisor Craig Wright--a
sabermetrician--and unconventional pitching coach Tom House.
sabermetrician--and unconventional pitching coach Tom House.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:49:29 PM10/4/12
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# Valentine’s Rangers had mediocre talent and fell below .500 in
1987-88, but won 83, 83, and 85 games from 1989-91.
1987-88, but won 83, 83, and 85 games from 1989-91.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:49:42 PM10/4/12
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# Valentine also impressed new Texas owner George W. Bush, and the two
men have remained very good friends for two decades.
men have remained very good friends for two decades.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:49:59 PM10/4/12
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# However, Bush fired Valentine in mid-1992, despite Bobby V’s 45-41
record, citing the need for the Rangers to find a new direction.
record, citing the need for the Rangers to find a new direction.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:50:14 PM10/4/12
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# Valentine returned to the Mets organization as AAA manager in 1994,
and then shockingly jumped to the Japanese Pacific League.
and then shockingly jumped to the Japanese Pacific League.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:50:27 PM10/4/12
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# Valentine took over the Chiba Lotte Marines, who hadn’t finished
first since 1974, and led them to a surprising second-place finish.
first since 1974, and led them to a surprising second-place finish.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:50:44 PM10/4/12
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# Valentine was beloved by fans, who were stunned when GM Tatsuro
Hirooka fired their hero after one year, due to personality conflicts.
Hirooka fired their hero after one year, due to personality conflicts.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:50:58 PM10/4/12
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# Valentine went back to the Mets’ AAA team in 1996, and was named MLB
skipper after Dallas Green’s firing with 31 games left.
skipper after Dallas Green’s firing with 31 games left.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:51:11 PM10/4/12
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# Valentine turned the Mets around, winning 88 games in 1997 and 1998,
and then 97 in 1999, earning a wild card slot.
and then 97 in 1999, earning a wild card slot.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:51:23 PM10/4/12
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# Despite an iffy roster (aside from a few stars like Mike Piazza),
Valentine’s Mets won the NLDS, before losing the NLCS to Atlanta.
Valentine’s Mets won the NLDS, before losing the NLCS to Atlanta.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:51:40 PM10/4/12
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# Valentine’s 1999 season is probably best remembered for the time he
wore a fake mustache and shades in the dugout after an ejection.
wore a fake mustache and shades in the dugout after an ejection.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:51:52 PM10/4/12
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# In 2000, Valentine’s Mets went 94-68, won the wild card again, and
beat San Francisco and St. Louis to capture the NL pennant.
beat San Francisco and St. Louis to capture the NL pennant.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:52:05 PM10/4/12
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# The Mets faced the Yanks in New York’s first Subway Series since
1956. The games were close, but the Bombers won it in five.
1956. The games were close, but the Bombers won it in five.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:52:27 PM10/4/12
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# Although the Mets fell to 82-80 in 2001, Valentine drew wide praise
for his tireless work to help 9/11 survivors and victims’ families.
for his tireless work to help 9/11 survivors and victims’ families.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:52:41 PM10/4/12
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# Valentine won the Branch Rickey Award for his service, but lost his
endless battles with GM Steve Phillips, who fired him after 2002.
endless battles with GM Steve Phillips, who fired him after 2002.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:52:54 PM10/4/12
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# Valentine worked for ESPN in 2003, and then returned to Chiba Lotte,
which was under new management.
which was under new management.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:53:07 PM10/4/12
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# Valentine led Chiba Lotte to their long-awaited pennant in 2005, and
won the Japanese World Series over the Hanshin Tigers.
won the Japanese World Series over the Hanshin Tigers.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:53:31 PM10/4/12
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# Valentine managed Chiba Lotte through 2009, and was subject of a
moving and informative 2008 documentary, "The Zen of Bobby V."
moving and informative 2008 documentary, "The Zen of Bobby V."
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:54:03 PM10/4/12
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# After a controversial firing and fan revolt, Valentine returned to
ESPN. In 2011 he joined their Sunday Night Baseball broadcasting team.
ESPN. In 2011 he joined their Sunday Night Baseball broadcasting team.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:54:18 PM10/4/12
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# Valentine pined to return to the majors, and was considered for
openings with Cleveland, Milwaukee, Seattle, Baltimore, and Florida.
openings with Cleveland, Milwaukee, Seattle, Baltimore, and Florida.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:54:32 PM10/4/12
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# Finally, in December 2011, Valentine was hired by the Red Sox to
replace Terry Francona (who ironically succeeded Bobby V at ESPN).
replace Terry Francona (who ironically succeeded Bobby V at ESPN).
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:54:49 PM10/4/12
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# Valentine was a controversial choice; it was widely assumed that new
GM Ben Cherington didn’t want him, but was pushed by Larry Lucchino.
GM Ben Cherington didn’t want him, but was pushed by Larry Lucchino.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:55:17 PM10/4/12
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# Valentine was hired in part to change the "chicken & beer" culture
of the collapsing 2011 Sox, but the marriage failed from the start.
of the collapsing 2011 Sox, but the marriage failed from the start.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:55:31 PM10/4/12
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# Valentine alienated several players, most notably Kevin Youkilis,
and also had problems with injuries and some questionable talent.
and also had problems with injuries and some questionable talent.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:55:48 PM10/4/12
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# Valentine did some good work early with a no-name bullpen, but the
team eventually collapsed, finishing dead last (69-93).
team eventually collapsed, finishing dead last (69-93).
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:56:03 PM10/4/12
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# Valentine set a Red Sox record with six ejections, and by the end of
the season was disengaged in the dugout and a whiner to the media.
the season was disengaged in the dugout and a whiner to the media.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:56:16 PM10/4/12
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# Despite the sad ending of Valentine’s managerial career, he was an
innovative and energetic skipper who had some very good moments.
innovative and energetic skipper who had some very good moments.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:56:29 PM10/4/12
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# Valentine is married to Mary Branca, daughter of Dodgers pitcher
Ralph, who gave up Bobby Thomson痴 Shot Heard 然ound the World.
Ralph, who gave up Bobby Thomson痴 Shot Heard 然ound the World.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:56:44 PM10/4/12
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# Valentine has run a popular restaurant in Stamford since 1980. One
day, having run out of bread, Valentine invented the wrap sandwich.
day, having run out of bread, Valentine invented the wrap sandwich.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:56:58 PM10/4/12
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# Valentine is also Director of Public Safety in Stamford. He earns
$10,000 a year, but gives his salary to charity.
$10,000 a year, but gives his salary to charity.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:57:12 PM10/4/12
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# Valentine will not make the HOF, and he has many detractors, but
he’s earned a niche in the HOVG near Paul Richards and Billy Martin.
he’s earned a niche in the HOVG near Paul Richards and Billy Martin.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:59:01 PM10/4/12
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# Sox officially get RHP Rubby de la Rosa, a hard-throwing, highly
regarded prospect, and OF-1B Jerry Sands, in the Punto trade.
regarded prospect, and OF-1B Jerry Sands, in the Punto trade.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 6:59:32 PM10/4/12
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# Sands is kind of interesting. He's not that old, and while he played
in ridiculous environments, his stats are still rather impressive.
in ridiculous environments, his stats are still rather impressive.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 7:00:22 PM10/4/12
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# Sox also release Quiroz, whose acquisition and tenure made no sense
whatsoever. Is Quiroz Spanish for "Lickert?"
whatsoever. Is Quiroz Spanish for "Lickert?"
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 7:00:52 PM10/4/12
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# So how come no other teams have even mentioned the possibility of
trying to get an interview with the marvelous John Farrell?
trying to get an interview with the marvelous John Farrell?
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 7:01:35 PM10/4/12
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# Why do we have to trade someone--even a f-cking ball girl in high-A
Salem--for Farrell, when there are dozens of fine candidates?
Salem--for Farrell, when there are dozens of fine candidates?
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 7:01:57 PM10/4/12
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# Why are no Blue Jays fans or personnel bitching about us stealing
their manager?
their manager?
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 7:02:28 PM10/4/12
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# Why did John Farrell's pitching staff fall apart in Toronto? Why
didn't they make the same kind of leap Showalter's O's did?
didn't they make the same kind of leap Showalter's O's did?
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 7:03:06 PM10/4/12
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# Well, the players should be happy. They'll be free to eat chicken,
drink beer, and mock Ellen Degeneres on their eye black.
drink beer, and mock Ellen Degeneres on their eye black.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 7:03:22 PM10/4/12
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# LEGATRON: This Zuerlein is the best young kicker these eyes have
seen since Ali Haji-Sheikh. Grab him for tonight’s game.
seen since Ali Haji-Sheikh. Grab him for tonight’s game.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 7:03:35 PM10/4/12
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# Hearing ominous whispers about Hakeem Nicks.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 7:03:48 PM10/4/12
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# There are rumors in New York of Ellsbury being dangled to the Mets
in a package centered around Davis and Niese.
in a package centered around Davis and Niese.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 7:04:52 PM10/4/12
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# For the MVP, with all due respect to the statistical analysis, I am
going with Miguel Cabrera. The Triple Crown is sacred.
going with Miguel Cabrera. The Triple Crown is sacred.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 7:05:18 PM10/4/12
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# Trout is my #2, very close, and the obvious Rookie of the Year.
Beltre is #3 because of his clutch play.
Beltre is #3 because of his clutch play.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 7:05:53 PM10/4/12
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# I would put Hamilton #5, Jeter #6, and Cano #7 (even though his
stats are better than both, Beltre, and frankly Cabrera).
stats are better than both, Beltre, and frankly Cabrera).
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 7:06:35 PM10/4/12
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# Cano is so streaky, though. I feel like Jeter really solidified the
team when the chips were down. As did Soriano, my #7.
team when the chips were down. As did Soriano, my #7.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 7:07:15 PM10/4/12
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# I would have Adam Jones #8, for his heroics with Baltimore. Wish I
could put an Athletic up there, but they did it half by mirrors.
could put an Athletic up there, but they did it half by mirrors.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 7:09:11 PM10/4/12
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# AL Cy Young is very close, but careful analysis points to Verlander
ever so slightly over Price. I would not be upset if either won.
ever so slightly over Price. I would not be upset if either won.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 7:09:29 PM10/4/12
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# AL Manager has to go to Bucky Showalter. It just does.
Tristan daCunha
Oct 4, 2012, 7:09:59 PM10/4/12
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Tweet 10/4
Group: alt.sports.baseball.bos-redsox Date: Thu, Oct 4, 2012, 6:54pm
From: bi...@ix.netcom.com (bismotwitter)
# After a controversial firing and fan revolt, Valentine returned to
ESPN. In 2011 he joined their Sunday Night Baseball broadcasting team.
***************************************
Fuck him and fuck you too, C/S!
Tristan daCunha
Oct 4, 2012, 7:03:44 PM10/4/12
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Tweet 10/4
Group: alt.sports.baseball.bos-redsox Date: Thu, Oct 4, 2012, 6:56pm
From: bi...@ix.netcom.com (bismotwitter)
# Despite the sad ending of Valentine's managerial career, he was an
innovative and energetic skipper who had some very good moments.
**************************************
innovative and energetic skipper who had some very good moments.
Shirley 812!
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 7:10:33 PM10/4/12
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# Although Kershaw pulled away in the ERA race, I will vote for R.A.
Dickey as NL Cy Young. What a year on a dreadful ballclub.
Dickey as NL Cy Young. What a year on a dreadful ballclub.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 7:11:17 PM10/4/12
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# As I've tweeted previously, I'd take Miley as NL Rookie of the Year.
He snuck up on people, but was consistently good (16-11, 3.33).
He snuck up on people, but was consistently good (16-11, 3.33).
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 7:12:45 PM10/4/12
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# NL MVP? That's easy. Buster Posey. A catcher for a division champ
leading the league in hitting, with over 100 RBI and a .408 OBP?!?
leading the league in hitting, with over 100 RBI and a .408 OBP?!?
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 7:14:30 PM10/4/12
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# I suppose I'd have Braun second; other top candidates include
McCutchen and Molina. Not as stacked a list as the AL.
McCutchen and Molina. Not as stacked a list as the AL.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 7:14:51 PM10/4/12
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# NL Manager of the Year? I'm biased, but I have to go with Davey
Johnson.
Johnson.
Tristan daCunha
Oct 4, 2012, 7:02:19 PM10/4/12
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Tweet 10/4
Group: alt.sports.baseball.bos-redsox Date: Thu, Oct 4, 2012, 6:56pm
From: bi...@ix.netcom.com (bismotwitter)
the season was disengaged in the dugout and a whiner to the media.
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'Twas merely Bawby Magic.....C/S!
Tristan daCunha
Oct 4, 2012, 7:06:00 PM10/4/12
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Tweet 10/4
Group: alt.sports.baseball.bos-redsox Date: Thu, Oct 4, 2012, 6:56pm
From: bi...@ix.netcom.com (bismotwitter)
day, having run out of bread, Valentine invented the wrap sandwich.
Yeah, right?
And Shirley Bismo invented the Glory Hole!
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 7:19:05 PM10/4/12
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# The more I look at Ross' .326 OBP and age, the more comfortable I am
with the idea of not re-signing him--as much as I love the guy.
with the idea of not re-signing him--as much as I love the guy.
Tristan daCunha
Oct 4, 2012, 7:14:16 PM10/4/12
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Tweet 10/4
Group: alt.sports.baseball.bos-redsox Date: Thu, Oct 4, 2012, 6:53pm
From: bi...@ix.netcom.com (bismotwitter)
# Valentine led Chiba Lotte to their long-awaited pennant in 2005, and
won the Japanese World Series over the Hanshin Tigers.
***************************************
Wow! Horr a fame!!
Tristan daCunha
Oct 4, 2012, 7:11:55 PM10/4/12
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Tweet 10/4
Group: alt.sports.baseball.bos-redsox Date: Thu, Oct 4, 2012, 6:55pm
From: bi...@ix.netcom.com (bismotwitter)
# Valentine alienated several players, most notably Kevin Youkilis, and
also had problems with injuries and some questionable talent.
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Much like you, Shirley, Bawby is a POS!
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 7:24:24 PM10/4/12
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# Last night's debate was most tweeted political event in U.S.
history--more tweets than any Civil War battle or FDR speech.
history--more tweets than any Civil War battle or FDR speech.
Tristan daCunha
Oct 4, 2012, 7:17:36 PM10/4/12
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Tweet 10/4
Group: alt.sports.baseball.bos-redsox Date: Thu, Oct 4, 2012, 6:46pm
From: bi...@ix.netcom.com (bismotwitter)
# Valentine got off to a fine start in 1973, but had a gruesome leg
fracture after running into a wall in May, while filling in at CF.
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He fell off his bicycle???
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 7:25:18 PM10/4/12
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# In the long run, the 2012 season will have been healthy for the Red
Sox, one hopes. They can clear the decks for good and move on.
Sox, one hopes. They can clear the decks for good and move on.
PETER SHORTS
Oct 4, 2012, 7:36:12 PM10/4/12
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On Thursday, October 4, 2012 7:01:37 PM UTC-4, bismotwitter wrote:
> # Why do we have to trade someone--even a f-cking ball girl in high-A
>
> Salem--for Farrell, when there are dozens of fine candidates?
the sox are out of the running for farrell because they already traded punto and now have no adequate compensation.
> # Why do we have to trade someone--even a f-cking ball girl in high-A
>
> Salem--for Farrell, when there are dozens of fine candidates?
the sox are out of the running for farrell because they already traded punto and now have no adequate compensation.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 7:39:05 PM10/4/12
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# You wonder, at times, what might have happened if Baltimore had
hired Bobby V. I think *that's* the kind of team he could've helped.
hired Bobby V. I think *that's* the kind of team he could've helped.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 7:43:03 PM10/4/12
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# Mike Aviles, who had a .282 OBP, claims he "proved himself" this
year. Gimme a break. After Salty, he'd be the 1st guy I'd nontender.
year. Gimme a break. After Salty, he'd be the 1st guy I'd nontender.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 7:43:39 PM10/4/12
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# Aviles, like half the Sox "regulars," would be a good backup, except
that his inflated ego would make him feel he's being shrifted.
that his inflated ego would make him feel he's being shrifted.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 10:28:25 PM10/4/12
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# So now the Jays say they "won't stand in the way" of Farrell coming
to Boston. And he's a desirable manager why, exactly?
to Boston. And he's a desirable manager why, exactly?
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 10:29:02 PM10/4/12
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# I mean, Christ, I haven't seen the Sox bid against themselves this
badly since Epstein jerked off to Julio Lugo's Topps card!
badly since Epstein jerked off to Julio Lugo's Topps card!
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 10:31:58 PM10/4/12
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# The only pitchers who became successful managers were Tom Lasorda,
Bud Black, Roger Craig, Larry Dierker, and Fred Hutchinson.
Bud Black, Roger Craig, Larry Dierker, and Fred Hutchinson.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 10:32:32 PM10/4/12
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# I mean, some other pitchers have had fleeting managerial success
(Bob Lemon and Dallas Green). But largely pitchers have failed.
(Bob Lemon and Dallas Green). But largely pitchers have failed.
bismotwitter
Oct 4, 2012, 10:37:29 PM10/4/12
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# YOUR MONEY OR YOUR LIFE? Bobby V will walk away with $2.5
million--but only if he refrains from badmouthing the Sox. Hmm....
million--but only if he refrains from badmouthing the Sox. Hmm....
bmo...@nyx.net
Oct 5, 2012, 12:06:18 AM10/5/12
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On Oct 4, 3:45 pm, bismotwitter <bi...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> # Valentine attended USC, where he was seen as a potential successor
> to O.J. Simpson, but instead focused on baseball.
for which we're all super-thankful :-)
> # Valentine attended USC, where he was seen as a potential successor
> to O.J. Simpson, but instead focused on baseball.
for which we're all super-thankful :-)
PETER SHORTS
Oct 5, 2012, 10:56:51 AM10/5/12
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On Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:29:05 PM UTC-4, bismotwitter wrote:
> # I mean, Christ, I haven't seen the Sox bid against themselves this
>
> badly since Epstein jerked off to Julio Lugo's Topps card!
funny, i haven't seen the sox bidding against themselves so far. you're the one who talks about it the most. why do you want farrell to manage the sox?
> # I mean, Christ, I haven't seen the Sox bid against themselves this
>
> badly since Epstein jerked off to Julio Lugo's Topps card!
PETER SHORTS
Oct 5, 2012, 10:57:20 AM10/5/12
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On Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:32:01 PM UTC-4, bismotwitter wrote:
> # The only pitchers who became successful managers were Tom Lasorda,
>
> Bud Black, Roger Craig, Larry Dierker, and Fred Hutchinson.
that's no reason to be a bigot.
> # The only pitchers who became successful managers were Tom Lasorda,
>
> Bud Black, Roger Craig, Larry Dierker, and Fred Hutchinson.
John W Gintell
Oct 5, 2012, 11:22:35 AM10/5/12
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On 10/5/12 10:56 AM, PETER SHORTS wrote:
> On Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:29:05 PM UTC-4, bismotwitter wrote:
>
>why do you want farrell to manage the sox?
>
Farrell worked really well the RedSox pitchers, Francona, and Gary Tuck - mutual
> On Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:29:05 PM UTC-4, bismotwitter wrote:
>
>why do you want farrell to manage the sox?
>
respect, some good results. My understanding is that he believes in the
statistical analysis so would be compatible with the RedSox upper management
philosophy.
The Jays didn't do as well as predicted - was he part of the problem would be my
question.
Wayback1918
Oct 5, 2012, 11:38:37 AM10/5/12
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Morrow and Kyle Drabek to name a couple.
Of course if he is coming here he better be able to handle players
getting hurt.....and the Red Sox have some really 'slow healers'
bismotwitter
Oct 5, 2012, 7:53:02 PM10/5/12
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@bmoore: Absolutely. Football players--especially RBs--have short
careers. I think Bobby V made the right choice.
careers. I think Bobby V made the right choice.
bismotwitter
Oct 5, 2012, 7:53:50 PM10/5/12
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@John: See, that's my fear: Farrell was a good pitching coach, but
most pitching coaches don't do well if promoted to manager.
most pitching coaches don't do well if promoted to manager.
bismotwitter
Oct 5, 2012, 7:54:35 PM10/5/12
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@John: There's no question that Young and McClure were disasters as
pitching coaches, and I'd love to have Farrell back in *that* role.
pitching coaches, and I'd love to have Farrell back in *that* role.
bismotwitter
Oct 5, 2012, 7:56:57 PM10/5/12
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@John: As you say, Farrell is at the very least unproven as a manager,
enough as to make me ask why he's such a slam-dunk choice for Boston.
enough as to make me ask why he's such a slam-dunk choice for Boston.
bismotwitter
Oct 5, 2012, 7:57:58 PM10/5/12
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@John: Of course, Francona failed in Philly, Joe was clueless in
Flushing, etc., but not every fallen skipper becomes good later.
Flushing, etc., but not every fallen skipper becomes good later.
bismotwitter
Oct 5, 2012, 7:58:51 PM10/5/12
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@John: Stat knowledge is fine, but Farrell's not the only guy who
knows that stuff. Frankly, I wish *Ben* would get more into stats!
knows that stuff. Frankly, I wish *Ben* would get more into stats!
bismotwitter
Oct 5, 2012, 7:59:30 PM10/5/12
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@John: Particularly the most basic but important stat--OBP, which
Boston seems to have completely abandoned (that's GM, not MGR).
Boston seems to have completely abandoned (that's GM, not MGR).
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