bobby cox
tom
JPM III
>
> you all know by know he is loyal to all his players no matter what.
Yeah, and it's annoying as hell when Bobby Cox remains loyal to players who
couldn't hit a basketball if it were lobbed through the strike zone.
Jordan and Mondesi should be benched if not released.
Franco's at-bats versus RHP should be cut back considerably if not cut off
completely (except as a PH and perhaps DH).
Furcal should be given the Andruw Jones treatment by Cox, Pendleton, & Co.
until he gets his head on straight and starts hitting the ball. (The good
news about Furcal, though, is that he's a free agent this fall, and he'll
significantly cheaper if he can't hit this year. But will we want him back?)
Of course, we all know that the powers that be would never pre-emptively
fire Bobby Cox before he had a chance to lose a division -- but he'll
probably be canned as soon as someone else clinches first place. And, if
he's smart, he'll tender an advanced resignation just so upper management
doesn't have a chance to embarrasshim after such an incredible run.
But, my point is, I don't like Bobby Cox's managing tactics. I think Leo
Mazzone could have worked his magic without Bobby at the helm (as long as
whoever the manager was would listen). And I'm sure I would have disliked
some of that manager's tactics too.
So overall, Cox is great. He's helped bring 13 straight division titles to
Atlanta. So... that's greatness. :)
Tomasz Radko
> But, my point is, I don't like Bobby Cox's managing tactics.
Yeah, FIRE HIM!!! He's a proven loser! No, wait... He's winning for 13
years... Oooops... Heck, fire him anyway, we, at asba-b, know better than some
serial division winner. And let US manage via internet polls.
pzdr
TRad
Colin William
"Tomasz Radko" <tr...@interia.pl> wrote
>> But, my point is, I don't like Bobby Cox's managing tactics.
>
> Yeah, FIRE HIM!!! He's a proven loser! No, wait... He's winning for 13
> years... Oooops... Heck, fire him anyway, we, at asba-b, know better than
> some serial division winner. And let US manage via internet polls.
It's funny, I was just glancing at some old asbab subject headers from back
in 1993. And sure enough, there in June or July was a "Bobby Cox must go!"
thread :-)
Colin
CoolHandDuke tbdm
I'm sure there was, as it is a known fact that humans LOVE to bitch.
:)
JPM III
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Apparently no one read the last line of my post. :-P
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That's how we got a Democratic Party.
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Sam Hutcheson
<freezeland...@consolidated.net> wrote:
>> I'm sure there was, as it is a known fact that humans LOVE to bitch.
>> :)
>
>That's how we got a Democratic Party.
your cry-baby, pussy-assed AM radio hoard is waiting on line one, baby
doll.
s/
*****
"If going out with Alan causes you to sing Human League songs I
don't think you can play with him any more." Lisa -- 05/15/2005
Atlanta Cardfan
> On Fri, 27 May 2005 22:08:26 -0500, Lance Freezeland
> <freezeland...@consolidated.net> wrote:
>
>
>>> I'm sure there was, as it is a known fact that humans LOVE to bitch.
>>>:)
>>
>>That's how we got a Democratic Party.
>
>
> your cry-baby, pussy-assed AM radio hoard is waiting on line one, baby
> doll.
>
> s/
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Lance Freezeland
<mal...@evilsponge.org> gave us:
>>> I'm sure there was, as it is a known fact that humans LOVE to bitch.
>>> :)
>>That's how we got a Democratic Party.
>your cry-baby, pussy-assed AM radio hoard is waiting on line one, baby
>doll.
Jealous.
--
Lance
"I've never met Garry Trudeau, but if I ever
do, I'll set him on fire." -- Hunter S. Thompson
Sam Hutcheson
<freezeland...@consolidated.net> wrote:
>On Sat, 28 May 2005 13:01:40 -0400, Sam Hutcheson
><mal...@evilsponge.org> gave us:
>>On Fri, 27 May 2005 22:08:26 -0500, Lance Freezeland
>><freezeland...@consolidated.net> wrote:
>
>>>> I'm sure there was, as it is a known fact that humans LOVE to bitch.
>>>> :)
>
>>>That's how we got a Democratic Party.
>
>>your cry-baby, pussy-assed AM radio hoard is waiting on line one, baby
>>doll.
>
>Jealous.
the day i'm jealous of a bunch of mouth-breathing, redundant,
one-trick ideologues i'll put myself out of my own misery.
s/
*****
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Lance Freezeland
<mal...@evilsponge.org> gave us:
>On Tue, 31 May 2005 12:55:28 -0500, Lance Freezeland
><freezeland...@consolidated.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 28 May 2005 13:01:40 -0400, Sam Hutcheson
>><mal...@evilsponge.org> gave us:
>>>On Fri, 27 May 2005 22:08:26 -0500, Lance Freezeland
>>><freezeland...@consolidated.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>> I'm sure there was, as it is a known fact that humans LOVE to bitch.
>>>>> :)
>>
>>>>That's how we got a Democratic Party.
>>
>>>your cry-baby, pussy-assed AM radio hoard is waiting on line one, baby
>>>doll.
>>
>>Jealous.
>
>the day i'm jealous of a bunch of mouth-breathing, redundant,
>one-trick ideologues i'll put myself out of my own misery.
The Angry Left has spoken.
--
Lance
"I believe in the Church of Baseball" Annie Savoy
Sam Hutcheson
<freezeland...@consolidated.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 31 May 2005 18:39:44 -0400, Sam Hutcheson
><mal...@evilsponge.org> gave us:
>
>>On Tue, 31 May 2005 12:55:28 -0500, Lance Freezeland
>><freezeland...@consolidated.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 28 May 2005 13:01:40 -0400, Sam Hutcheson
>>><mal...@evilsponge.org> gave us:
>>>>On Fri, 27 May 2005 22:08:26 -0500, Lance Freezeland
>>>><freezeland...@consolidated.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure there was, as it is a known fact that humans LOVE to bitch.
>>>>>> :)
>>>
>>>>>That's how we got a Democratic Party.
>>>
>>>>your cry-baby, pussy-assed AM radio hoard is waiting on line one, baby
>>>>doll.
>>>
>>>Jealous.
>>
>>the day i'm jealous of a bunch of mouth-breathing, redundant,
>>one-trick ideologues i'll put myself out of my own misery.
>
>The Angry Left has spoken.
standing left of proto-fascism isn't an insult, petey.
Lance Freezeland
<mal...@evilsponge.org> gave us:
>On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 12:01:49 -0500, Lance Freezeland
><freezeland...@consolidated.net> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 31 May 2005 18:39:44 -0400, Sam Hutcheson
>><mal...@evilsponge.org> gave us:
>>
>>>On Tue, 31 May 2005 12:55:28 -0500, Lance Freezeland
>>><freezeland...@consolidated.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 28 May 2005 13:01:40 -0400, Sam Hutcheson
>>>><mal...@evilsponge.org> gave us:
>>>>>On Fri, 27 May 2005 22:08:26 -0500, Lance Freezeland
>>>>><freezeland...@consolidated.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm sure there was, as it is a known fact that humans LOVE to bitch.
>>>>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>>>>That's how we got a Democratic Party.
>>>>
>>>>>your cry-baby, pussy-assed AM radio hoard is waiting on line one, baby
>>>>>doll.
>>>>
>>>>Jealous.
>>>
>>>the day i'm jealous of a bunch of mouth-breathing, redundant,
>>>one-trick ideologues i'll put myself out of my own misery.
>>
>>The Angry Left has spoken.
>
>standing left of proto-fascism isn't an insult, petey.
The fascists (e.g., Hillary Clinton) are on the left, sparky.
--
Lance
"In a world filled with hate, prejudice, and protest,
I find that I too am filled with hate, prejudice, and
protest." -- Bob Gibson
Tomasz Radko
> On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:59:59 -0400, Sam Hutcheson
> <mal...@evilsponge.org> gave us:
>
>
>>On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 12:01:49 -0500, Lance Freezeland
>><freezeland...@consolidated.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Tue, 31 May 2005 18:39:44 -0400, Sam Hutcheson
>>><mal...@evilsponge.org> gave us:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 31 May 2005 12:55:28 -0500, Lance Freezeland
>>>><freezeland...@consolidated.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 28 May 2005 13:01:40 -0400, Sam Hutcheson
>>>>><mal...@evilsponge.org> gave us:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Fri, 27 May 2005 22:08:26 -0500, Lance Freezeland
>>>>>><freezeland...@consolidated.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm sure there was, as it is a known fact that humans LOVE to bitch.
>>>>>>>>:)
>>>>>
>>>>>>>That's how we got a Democratic Party.
>>>>>
>>>>>>your cry-baby, pussy-assed AM radio hoard is waiting on line one, baby
>>>>>>doll.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jealous.
>>>>
>>>>the day i'm jealous of a bunch of mouth-breathing, redundant,
>>>>one-trick ideologues i'll put myself out of my own misery.
>>>
>>>The Angry Left has spoken.
>>
>>standing left of proto-fascism isn't an insult, petey.
>
>
> The fascists (e.g., Hillary Clinton) are on the left, sparky.
Is she as pro-unions as Ted K.? I believe he's an american politic closest to
fascism. I think mrs. Clinton is more centrist (of course, relatively. She's
still lefty).
pzdr
TRad
Lance Freezeland
gave us:
Back when her husband was President, Mrs. Clinton sought to have
government take over ~17% of the U.S. economy (the health care
system). Governmental takeover of private enterprise is about as
close to a definition of fascism as you can get.
--
Lance
"You have to have a catcher or you'll have all passed balls."
-- Casey Stengel
Tomasz Radko
> On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:42:29 +0200, Tomasz Radko <tr...@interia.pl>
> gave us:
>
>
>>U¿ytkownik Lance Freezeland napisa³:
It's only one of the fascism's features. More essential for fascism is
corporationism, which BTW is also against private property. It's funny, that
many people think fascists are rightwingers.
pzdr
TRad
Sam Hutcheson
<freezeland...@consolidated.net> wrote:
>>>The Angry Left has spoken.
>>
>>standing left of proto-fascism isn't an insult, petey.
>
>The fascists (e.g., Hillary Clinton) are on the left, sparky.
fascism is, simply put, the politics of intimidation and fear.
hillary clinton is by no means the most obvious candidate in modern
american politics for that lable.
Sam Hutcheson
wrote:
>> Back when her husband was President, Mrs. Clinton sought to have
>> government take over ~17% of the U.S. economy (the health care
>> system). Governmental takeover of private enterprise is about as
>> close to a definition of fascism as you can get.
>
>It's only one of the fascism's features. More essential for fascism is
>corporationism, which BTW is also against private property. It's funny, that
>many people think fascists are rightwingers.
fascism, properly defined, is the marriage of corporatist power and
social engineering (proto-feudal social structures) with the military
state. the second prominent feature of fascism, to the point where it
is a "necessity" of using the term with any meaning, is nationalism of
a fervor bordering on the religious (or, rather often, merged with the
religious.)
it is only the revisionist historians of the american right who wish
to redefine the system to mean "supporting nationalized healthcare."
if we go with lance's absurdism we would need to define 90% of europe
and canada as "fascist." the stupidity of this should be
self-evident.
Tomasz Radko
> On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:03:30 -0500, Lance Freezeland
> <freezeland...@consolidated.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>>The Angry Left has spoken.
>>>
>>>standing left of proto-fascism isn't an insult, petey.
>>
>>The fascists (e.g., Hillary Clinton) are on the left, sparky.
>
>
> fascism is, simply put, the politics of intimidation and fear.
Sam
Was french revolution fascist?
Fascist regimes usually using intimidation and fear. But not all regimes using
intimidation and fear are fascist.
pzdr
TRad
Sam Hutcheson
wrote:
>Użytkownik Sam Hutcheson napisał:
>
>> On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:03:30 -0500, Lance Freezeland
>> <freezeland...@consolidated.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>The Angry Left has spoken.
>>>>
>>>>standing left of proto-fascism isn't an insult, petey.
>>>
>>>The fascists (e.g., Hillary Clinton) are on the left, sparky.
>>
>>
>> fascism is, simply put, the politics of intimidation and fear.
>
>Sam
>
>Was french revolution fascist?
historically speaking, the french revolution predates fascism.
fascism is generally understood to be a modern political formation,
arising in mass out of the devastation of europe in the wake of WWI.
the french revolution was more of a domestic uprising against
monarchical tyranny, an after-image of the american revolution splayed
across a more urban and concentrated population. the reign of terror
could vaguely be described as a nascent, proto-fascist reaction
arising out of the nascent democratic uprisings of the french
revolution.
a third historical element of virtually all fascist states is that
they arise from weak democracies or parlimentarian systems. a fascist
state has never come forth from a previously existing authoritarian
regime. mussolini's italy, hitler's germany and franco's spain all
rose from the malaise of struggling democracies where significant
segments of the population had lost faith in the abilities of
"ineffectual parliments" to "get things done." as such, the rise of
the reign of terror out of the french revolution can be reasonably
mapped to that architecture. but doing so would essentially be
writing history in reverse, IMHO.
>Fascist regimes usually using intimidation and fear. But not all regimes using
>intimidation and fear are fascist.
granted. fascism is the marriage of the politics of fear and
intimidation with religious nationalism and corporatist power
Lance Freezeland
<mal...@evilsponge.org> gave us:
>On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:03:30 -0500, Lance Freezeland
><freezeland...@consolidated.net> wrote:
>>>>The Angry Left has spoken.
>>>standing left of proto-fascism isn't an insult, petey.
>>The fascists (e.g., Hillary Clinton) are on the left, sparky.
>fascism is, simply put, the politics of intimidation and fear.
>hillary clinton is by no means the most obvious candidate in modern
>american politics for that lable.
That may be your own convenient definition for it, Lefty, but it's not
the political scientific definition. Fascism is "a political
philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race
above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic
government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social
regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition".
Government seizure of private industry is a necessary component of
fascism.
--
Lance
"He's built like a Greek goddess."
-- Sparky Anderson commenting on Jose Canseco
Lance Freezeland
<mal...@evilsponge.org> gave us:
>On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 20:08:41 +0200, Tomasz Radko <tr...@interia.pl>
>wrote:
Take your head out of the sand, Sam. Government seizure of private
industry combined with the forcible suppression of those who would
think otherwise -- that's fascism, that's Hillary, but it's not
necessarily Europe and Canada. Europe and Canada are socialists, but
not national socialists.
--
Lance
"In a world filled with hate, prejudice, and protest,
I find that I too am filled with hate, prejudice, and
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Sam Hutcheson
<freezeland...@consolidated.net> wrote:
>On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 19:22:00 -0400, Sam Hutcheson
><mal...@evilsponge.org> gave us:
>
>>On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:03:30 -0500, Lance Freezeland
>><freezeland...@consolidated.net> wrote:
>
>>>>>The Angry Left has spoken.
>
>>>>standing left of proto-fascism isn't an insult, petey.
>
>>>The fascists (e.g., Hillary Clinton) are on the left, sparky.
>
>>fascism is, simply put, the politics of intimidation and fear.
>>hillary clinton is by no means the most obvious candidate in modern
>>american politics for that lable.
>
>That may be your own convenient definition for it, Lefty, but it's not
>the political scientific definition. Fascism is "a political
>philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race
>above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic
>government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social
>regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition".
>
>Government seizure of private industry is a necessary component of
>fascism.
silly me, actually looking at the historical precedents that have
given rise to governments everyone calls fascism.
as i've stated multiple times already, fascism is the marriage of
corporatism and the military state. another way of phrasing that
would be the "seizure of private inudustry" by a militaristic
government. another perfectly reasonable phrasing of that sentiment
would be the seizing of control of a militaristic government by
corporatist power. of course, you try to avoid looking at the
tautalogy that way for some reason, don'tcha champ?
wrapping back around to your original absurdism regarding hillary
clinton and the 1992 national healthcare initiative she spearheaded
unsuccessfully, calling that plan "government seizure of private
industry" begs the question of your grasp on fundamental reality.
that plan, while baroque and complex in the extreme, was essentially
an unequal partnership between government and the healtcare industry,
with industry maintaining the vast majority of the power in the
relationship, much akin to the government's partnership with military
providers. it's implementation would in no way equated to an
authoritarian takeover of an industry. to suggest otherwise is to
partake in the sort of moral equivocation your side of the echo
chamber loves to decry and bemoan unendingly.
physician, heal thyself.
Sam Hutcheson
jesus fucking christ, lance, can you provide a single shred of
evidentiary reason to either 1) equate the proposed health care
initiative of '92 with "government seizure of private industry" or 2)
imply that your anti-christ hillary clinto would follow this mythical
"seizure" with "forcible suppression of those who think otherwise?"
of course you can't, because no credible shred of evidence to support
either of those positions exists. at least not in the time-space
construct we generally refer to as "reality." let me suggest a simple
test for you, for future situations where you find your rhetoric
diverging from said reality like this. ask yourself something to the
order of this: "if the clintons were actually intent on SEIZING the
healthcare industy, they might have actually SEIZED said industry. do
i currently see any kind of evidence that that sort of SEIZURE
actually occurred?" no, it didn't. because no one involved was
SEIZING anything. they were proposing solutions via the time-tested
democratic process of the republic.
i won't even grant this "forcible suppression" lunacy any more merit
by further response.
Lance Freezeland
<mal...@evilsponge.org> gave us:
You have apparently convinced yourself with your bullshit, Sam. The
fact that they attempted to accomplish said seizure by Congressional
enactment was not particularly unusual. That's how these things
always start. But don't let that get in the way of your hysterical
ranting.
--
Lance
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Lance Freezeland
<mal...@evilsponge.org> gave us:
You are possibly the biggest bullshit artist on all of USENET. Take
that as something of a compliment, Sam. You apparently speak two
languages. First, there's your normal tone. And then there's this
one, where you trot out words like "baroque" in an effort to dress up
your bullshit.
The Dems are masters at incrementalism, and Hillary's attempt to have
the federal government take over the healthcare system was going to be
accomplished one step at a time. It's ridiculous to suggest that
government would have been the lesser partner in such a relationship.
It never is.
--
Lance
"We don't rent pigs. Uva Uvam Vivendo Varia Fit."
Captain Augustus McCrae
ziggy
>
> You are possibly the biggest bullshit artist on all of USENET. Take
> that as something of a compliment, Sam. You apparently speak two
> languages. First, there's your normal tone. And then there's this
> one, where you trot out words like "baroque" in an effort to dress up
> your bullshit.
but if he's not baroque, why fix him?
--
zig
i don't need hair. i have a beanie.
(sam in a.s.b.a-b)
Lance Freezeland
us:
>Lance Freezeland wrote:
>> You are possibly the biggest bullshit artist on all of USENET. Take
>> that as something of a compliment, Sam. You apparently speak two
>> languages. First, there's your normal tone. And then there's this
>> one, where you trot out words like "baroque" in an effort to dress up
>> your bullshit.
>but if he's not baroque, why fix him?
Sam? I can think of several reasons.
--
Lance
"We need three kinds of pitching: left handed,
right handed, and relief." -- Whitey Herzog
David Blackburn
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Jane...you ignorant slut.
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ziggy
ah, now there's 2 of us in here :)
welcome david.
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zig
trade with ziggy (sage advice from dale)
Atlanta Cardfan
> clinton and the 1992 national healthcare initiative she spearheaded
> unsuccessfully,
Sam, as I recall, Hillary's attempt to reform the US Health Care
Industry had more than a few warts on it; the most glaring were
highlighted from this War College report:
"A number of key stakeholders were missing from the task force,
including representatives from insurance companies, the pharmaceutical
industry, the American Medical Association, the American Hospital
Association, and the media. Furthermore, the task force would operate in
secret, only making glimpses of the plan public prior to the end of the
100-day deadline."
http://www.ndu.edu/library/n4/n035603f.pdf
The focus of the entire paper is to analyze what went wrong with
the initiative; I believe the conclusion, that the process, or the
way the Clinton's and the Dems decided to go about it was much
more damaging to the plan than the substance of it.
> calling that plan "government seizure of private
> industry" begs the question of your grasp on fundamental reality.
If you relive that era, particularly in the opposition's shoes,
"seizure" is a term, albeit harsh, that was fairly descriptive
of the process Mrs. Clinton tried to force through legislation.
> that plan, while baroque and complex in the extreme, was essentially
> an unequal partnership between government and the healtcare industry,
The reason the plan died was because the partnership was in name only;
it was easily apparent that the bottom line was a huge Government
power grab.
> with industry maintaining the vast majority of the power in the
> relationship,
What?? When industry had no say whatsoever in even designing
the "complex" system? Why do you think that "industry" (not just
health care) voted with their dollars to influence the most significant
political party swing in the House in 100 years?
> much akin to the government's partnership with military
> providers.
Please Sam, the bidding process in the military was in no way close
to the representation sent up by the Health Care Reform Initiative.
I do not disagree that something needs to be done about rising
health costs for the individual; my family went four years without
any protection and even now can only afford catastrophic coverage.
The inability for small business employers & employees to form as
a group is extremely frustrating, and the counter-argument that
it opens up opportunity for fraud is a weak one where I am concerned.
Paul
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I know there's a good "impressionist" joke that would fit in here, but I
just can't find it..... help?
--mois
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: On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 22:10:38 -0500, Lance Freezeland
: <freezeland...@consolidated.net> wrote:
:
: >On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 21:48:59 -0400, Sam Hutcheson
: ><mal...@evilsponge.org> gave us:
: >
: >
: >[...]
: >
: >> moral equivocation your side of the echo
: >>chamber loves to decry and bemoan unendingly.
: >>
: >>physician, heal thyself.
: >
: >You are possibly the biggest bullshit artist on all of USENET.
: No. He's possibly the biggest alcoholic on all of USENET. I read it
: right here.
:
: -Jason
Easy Jason, you're steppin on my turf now.
-- well, you will be once I become drug free in a couple of weeks.
ziggy
drug free?
who's got the free drugs?
--inquiring minds and all...
ziggy
> "ziggy" <zigg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:20050602233503.119$f...@news.newsreader.com...
>> Lance Freezeland wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> You are possibly the biggest bullshit artist on all of USENET. Take
>>> that as something of a compliment, Sam. You apparently speak two
>>> languages. First, there's your normal tone. And then there's this
>>> one, where you trot out words like "baroque" in an effort to dress
>>> up your bullshit.
>>
>> but if he's not baroque, why fix him?
>>
>
> but I just can't find it..... help?
>
> --mois
i don't do impressionist stuff. rich little scares me.
i'm more into bad puns.
(yes...i know)
bgs
Maybe me. Whatdayaneed?
bgs
Ahhh yes, the French impersonationist period... Monet, Manet and Mayonaise?
--
Scott
Hey cool, I'm zig's sig! - Colin William
ziggy
:)
Sam Hutcheson
<freezeland...@consolidated.net> wrote:
>You have apparently convinced yourself with your bullshit, Sam. The
>fact that they attempted to accomplish said seizure by Congressional
>enactment was not particularly unusual. That's how these things
>always start. But don't let that get in the way of your hysterical
>ranting.
you're accusing an administration you don't like of attempting to
seize private industry as if they were half a step away from the night
of long knives, yet *i* am being accused of hysterical ranting.
nifty.
Atlanta Cardfan
I thought that was What'llyahave?
Too many damn Varsity's around anyway, now.. even in Alpharetta..
Paul
bgs
news:42A13907...@example.net...
Not enough in Alabama though.
-- and my cholesterol is dangerously low!
Scott
Atlanta Cardfan
Where in 'Bama are you at?
bgs
: bgs wrote:
: > :
: > : Too many damn Varsity's around anyway, now.. even in Alpharetta..
: > :
: > : Paul
: >
: > Not enough in Alabama though.
: >
: > -- and my cholesterol is dangerously low!
: > Scott
:
: Where in 'Bama are you at?
B'ham.
--
Scott
dn
No Varsity, but you do have Sneaky Pete's and Pete's Famous
while not the attitude, I think the dogs are better.
Johnny Ray's Honey Pies which virtually nobody has
Quite Frankly, Milo's has sort of a Varisity feel to it.
And you are real close to the REAL Dreamland though Atlanta
does have a real pale imitation of the real deal. Of course,
Birmingham's version isn't all that either. The Tuscaloosa joint
even has a little of the attitude. Archibald's in T-town is
a unique place as well.
!^NavFont02F02E50004HIE69C9F
Colin William
They have a Varsity in the soccer-mom home of our resident corporate drone?
Colin
Sam Hutcheson
right off of haynes bridge.
s/
*****
"As you get older, your life is less about capturing the moment
and more about understanding what you're doing." -- Peter Buck
Colin William
"Sam Hutcheson" <mal...@evilsponge.org> wrote
>>They have a Varsity in the soccer-mom home of our resident corporate
>>drone?
>
> right off of haynes bridge.
Is there still a bar up there called The Locker Room? I used to play team
trivia there.
Colin
bgs
news:00050504140321...@cxrxlxnx.rr.cxm...
:
: No Varsity, but you do have Sneaky Pete's and Pete's Famous
: while not the attitude, I think the dogs are better.
:
: Johnny Ray's Honey Pies which virtually nobody has
:
: Quite Frankly, Milo's has sort of a Varisity feel to it.
:
: And you are real close to the REAL Dreamland though Atlanta
: does have a real pale imitation of the real deal. Of course,
: Birmingham's version isn't all that either. The Tuscaloosa joint
: even has a little of the attitude. Archibald's in T-town is
: a unique place as well.
Alrighty, you know the two best places for hotdogs over here. Although that
changed somewhat with the Great Hot Dog Debate of 2004 right here in this
very neck of usenet. (Nathan's vs Hebrew National)
Johnny Rays is no longer a part of us. The son committed suicide two or
three years ago and Johnny died this past year. The family and the business
were fixtures for decades and they had darn good barbecue. But, all is not
lost - we can make Honey's chocolate pie! I'm not much of a rib eater,
although I love barbecue, but the family-at-large insists I do ribs every
summer with Honey's chocolate pies for desert. I just wish I had her recipe
for her lemon pie. Lance is a Dreamland guy too, although if memory serves
me right, he's not eaten at the original one near Tuscaloosa.
How do you know BHam so well?
--
Scott
H2G2 - "It's sort of like religion", Dick Sidbury - a.s.b.a.b
dn
JR'S Lemon Pie was my favorite ever and I love Lemon Pie.
Actually there was a place around the corner from Pete's called Tom's
that I thought was even better that I used to go eat way back when you'd
Park at the Pizitz parking deck, go to the Dentist, then go eat at
Tom's and walk into the Alabama Theater to see the latest Disney --
Love Bug or Computer Who Wore Tennis Shoe's or Sound of Music.
Nathan's and Hebrew National didn't exist not that anything Jewish
was allowed then anyway and Catholics were barely tolerated as
psuedo-Heathens.
I grew up there in the 60/70/80's before moving away. Back when the
KMArt on Green Springs was as far south as Birmingham went. There was
no Over The Mountain, no Hoover, no 281, no Brookwood Mall. Samford
was way out in the middle of nowhere. To get to Atlanta you had to
drive past Bowl-O-Mac and the Putt Putt and troop down 78E all the way
to 6 Flags (took about 4-5 hours on a good day).
Lloyd's, Niki's, Costa's were THE Places to Eat. Ollie's was my
favorite BBQ though I'm not sure it's still there.
Rickwood Field was the Home of the A's AA team. I saw Reggie there I
think? I saw Claudell Washington's last game in the minors before he was
called up to Oakland at a Little League Appreciation Day.
There were no trees on the Mountain or in the City at all. The Steel
Mills in Ensley/Fairfield were pumping Black Smoke 24/7 out of 100
smokestacks.
bgs
I moved here in '77, so I know exactly what you mean. When first arriving a
co-worker and his wife built a house in Inverness (one of the first houses
in Selkirk if you remember) and I used to dread like the dickens when they'd
invite me over to dinner. It was like driving to Atlanta. Now, that's
pretty much considered close to town.
Lloyds is still there and doing the same food and the same volume of
business. They have moved further north and are no longer in the narrows.
Of course, the narrows has been replaced as well. Ollies, unfortunately,
sold their building and moved south of town to a horrible location and have
since gone out of business - man, I'd love some apple pie with melted cheese
right now!
And surprisingly, there's still a game or two payed at Rickwood every now
and again for nostalgia. Of course the Barons play at the new (well,
relatively now) Hoover Met.... a nice little ballpark actually.
--
Scott
dn
Made one game there a couple years ago when I was visiting family.
Nice park, but it's not Rickwood. I would love to make that
Rickwood Special someday and see the renovated Ballpark.
The last time I was there was in 84 or so with the Barons playing
and The Beach Boys had a concert on the Field after the game. About
500 people were there at the start of the game and probably 5000 by the
end.
It's a really weird feeling when you read stories about Babe Ruth
and Ty Cobb literally playing on the field. Ruth supposedly hit a
HR in the 20's that landed in a Train Coal Car as it was going by
the RF fence and somebody retrieved the ball in Chicago or Detroit.
My parents grew up in the area and tell me stories about seeing the
Original BHam Barons and Black Barons playing games there.
Dad used to love Jimmy Piersall because of seeing him play and
run through a fence at Rickwood. Literally one of my first
sentient memories is of a Baseball Game at Rickwood and crying
because all the fans were screaming so loud. It has to one of those
2/3/4 year old type things that you're never quite sure if it's a real
memory or if you've just been told about it so many times you think
you remember.
There was a store about 1/2 mile away that I used to go to all
the time that I suspect hasn't been there for years -- Government
Employee Store. We would drive over Arkadelphia pre Interstate even
right by B. Southern College, drive past the turnoff to Legion Field,
past Rickwood, to G.E.S.
I think N. Bham Carraway Methodist Hosp. is not too far away and is
still there b/c that's where I started life. I actually went to school
a long time ago with one of the Carraway girls (must have been a
grand-daughter or GGD or the founders).
bgs
That's pretty neat. I'm wondering though, with the Beach Boys there, if
that was the annual Rickwood Classic. It's still being played you know (at
Rickwood) and was supposed to occur last week. But, It had to be postponed
until later this summer because of all the rain we've had. I don't think a
date's been set yet though.
Sam Hutcheson
not that i'm aware of.
dn
I'm pretty sure when I went and the BB were there it was still
an everyday park. Just a typical gimmick to get folks to the
park.
This Internet thing is cool -- this must be the concert since the
date sound about right:
http://members.tripod.com/~fun_fun_fun/7-1-85.html
I knew the Classic was still being played. One of these days, I'll
try to make it there for a game.
Dale Hicks
mal...@evilsponge.org says...
> On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 21:54:35 -0500, "Colin William"
> <colint...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Sam Hutcheson" <mal...@evilsponge.org> wrote
> >>>They have a Varsity in the soccer-mom home of our resident corporate
> >>>drone?
> >>
> >> right off of haynes bridge.
> >
> >Is there still a bar up there called The Locker Room? I used to play team
> >trivia there.
>
> not that i'm aware of.
And if sam's not aware of it ...1
--
Cranial Crusader dgh 1138 at bell south point net
bgs
:
: I'm pretty sure when I went and the BB were there it was still
: an everyday park. Just a typical gimmick to get folks to the
: park.
:
: This Internet thing is cool -- this must be the concert since the
: date sound about right:
:
: http://members.tripod.com/~fun_fun_fun/7-1-85.html
:
:
: I knew the Classic was still being played. One of these days, I'll
: try to make it there for a game.
Yeah, this internet thingy is still a real kick. You should try to make it
one of these days, especially given your family history with the park. Are
you in North Carolina or did I imagine that?
--Scott
dn
Lance Freezeland
>Johnny Rays is no longer a part of us. The son committed suicide two or
>three years ago and Johnny died this past year. The family and the business
>were fixtures for decades and they had darn good barbecue. But, all is not
>lost - we can make Honey's chocolate pie! I'm not much of a rib eater,
>although I love barbecue, but the family-at-large insists I do ribs every
>summer with Honey's chocolate pies for desert. I just wish I had her recipe
>for her lemon pie. Lance is a Dreamland guy too, although if memory serves
>me right, he's not eaten at the original one near Tuscaloosa.
True. I've been to the Dreamland locations in Mobile and Birmingham,
but not in Tuscaloosa.
The Archangel Michelle and I were watching a show the other night on
either the Travel Channel or the Food Network (I forget which) about
BBQ. They were showing all these places: Rib & Loin in Chattanooga,
Big Bob Gibson's in Decatur AL, Dreamland, Corky's in Memphis,
Interstate in Memphis, Rendevous in Memphis. We had been to every one
of them within the past six years.
--
Lance
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Atlanta Cardfan
> On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 22:28:07 -0500, "bgs" <b...@mindless.com> gave us:
>
>
>>Johnny Rays is no longer a part of us. The son committed suicide two or
>>three years ago and Johnny died this past year. The family and the business
>>were fixtures for decades and they had darn good barbecue. But, all is not
>>lost - we can make Honey's chocolate pie! I'm not much of a rib eater,
>>although I love barbecue, but the family-at-large insists I do ribs every
>>summer with Honey's chocolate pies for desert. I just wish I had her recipe
>>for her lemon pie. Lance is a Dreamland guy too, although if memory serves
>>me right, he's not eaten at the original one near Tuscaloosa.
>
>
> True. I've been to the Dreamland locations in Mobile and Birmingham,
> but not in Tuscaloosa.
>
> The Archangel Michelle and I were watching a show the other night on
> either the Travel Channel or the Food Network (I forget which) about
> BBQ. They were showing all these places: Rib & Loin in Chattanooga,
> Big Bob Gibson's in Decatur AL, Dreamland, Corky's in Memphis,
> Interstate in Memphis, Rendevous in Memphis. We had been to every one
> of them within the past six years.
I've been to each as well with the exception of Interstate..
Of course, it's easier when you're in Huntsville to begin with.
I grew up on Bob Gibson's, not realizing the notoriety that they
would eventually make acclaim to. The owners apparently have
nothing better to do but to go from contest to contest now, looking
at their list of awards..
It's funny to me how almost everything they serve has won some
kind of award except for the white sauce (my favorite).
Paul
Atlanta Cardfan
> On June 04 2005, "bgs" <b...@mindless.com> wrote:
>
>>"dn" <dav...@cxrxlxnx.rr.cxm> wrote in message
>>news:00050504140321...@cxrxlxnx.rr.cx m...
>>:
>>: No Varsity, but you do have Sneaky Pete's and Pete's Famous
>>: while not the attitude, I think the dogs are better.
>>:
>>: Johnny Ray's Honey Pies which virtually nobody has
>>:
>>: Quite Frankly, Milo's has sort of a Varisity feel to it.
>>:
>>: And you are real close to the REAL Dreamland though Atlanta
>>: does have a real pale imitation of the real deal. Of course,
>>: Birmingham's version isn't all that either. The Tuscaloosa joint
>>: even has a little of the attitude. Archibald's in T-town is
>>: a unique place as well.
>>:
> There were no trees on the Mountain or in the City at all. The Steel
> Mills in Ensley/Fairfield were pumping Black Smoke 24/7 out of 100
> smokestacks.
>
Man, I remember when we drove from H'ville to Picayune MS (Last exit
on I-59 S going to New Orleans) they didn't have the interstate
finished in Birmingham yet, you had to weave through the detours
in downtown.
The air was so dirty you could swear that you could see it. Our
'64 Falcon had no A/C so you had to have the windows down or get
cooked, so Mom would give me a damp handcloth to breathe through.
People bitching about today's air quality have no clue.
Paul
dn
Yeah, a legacy of George Wallace who never could carry Jefferson
County/BHam and he would block every dollar of Highway Funds he could.
All 3 Interstates were basically finished end to end except all them
ended somewhere in Birmingham. I think the final links of all 3 were
finally put in place somewhere in the mid 80's right before I left.
I get a freaking laugh out of Pollution reports on TV with Counts of
50-60 being labelled as unhealthy. There was a report in the paper
in the morning that listed Pollution levels every day and the N.Bham
and Fairfield stations read between 150-200 most days and virtually
never dropped below 100. During Temp Inversions that would settle
over the top of Red Mountain and basically seal the Valley, you would
see numbers approaching 500-700 on the worst of the days -- all business
had to stop, no cars could drive, schools without AirConditioning would
close and those that had AC, nobody was allowed outside. You
literally could see the air.
Mom couldn't put the laundry on the line because it came back dirty in
just a few hours, no cars/houses had paint because it was all eaten
away. Just gotta love what my lungs probably look like combined
with 20+ years of a smoking parent and 90% of all relatives.
dn
>> On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 22:28:07 -0500, "bgs" <b...@mindless.com> gave us:
>
>> Johnny Rays is no longer a part of us. The son committed suicide two
>> or three years ago and Johnny died this past year. The family and
>> the business were fixtures for decades and they had darn good
>> barbecue. But, all is not lost - we can make Honey's chocolate pie!
>> I'm not much of a rib eater, although I love barbecue, but the
>> family-at-large insists I do ribs every summer with Honey's chocolate
>> pies for desert. I just wish I had her recipe for her lemon pie.
>> Lance is a Dreamland guy too, although if memory serves me right,
>> he's not eaten at the original one near Tuscaloosa.
>
> True. I've been to the Dreamland locations in Mobile and Birmingham,
> but not in Tuscaloosa.
>
> The Archangel Michelle and I were watching a show the other night on
> either the Travel Channel or the Food Network (I forget which) about
> BBQ. They were showing all these places: Rib & Loin in Chattanooga,
> Big Bob Gibson's in Decatur AL, Dreamland, Corky's in Memphis,
> Interstate in Memphis, Rendevous in Memphis. We had been to every one
> of them within the past six years.
>
> --
> Lance
OK, Lance you got to rank em top to bottom and what you usually eat
there.
Beef, Pork, Ribs, Sauce vs Dry Rub, Red/White/Mustard/Vinegar etc.
What kind of sauce do you prefer.
Anywhere in Austin, TX?
Any NC BBQ joints on your list?
cro...@earthlink.net
Austin on Hway 183...my favorite is Chisholm Trail, used to prefer Black's,
but CH is better and cheaper and they give scraps for my dog...the tourist
trap is Kreuz's but I don't care for a side order of attitude with my lunch
and they serve meat only, NO side dishes...Smitty's is newish, part of a
split/feud from the Kreuz family. In Austin, the high dollar place is the
County Line; I favor Don's in Oak Hill, others like Ironworks downtown on
2nd Street. On the East Side, there's a pretty good place on E. 7th, just a
couple of blocks E of IH35, can't think of the name right now.
"dn" <dav...@cxrxlxnx.rr.cxm> wrote in message
dn
> The best barbecue in the Austin area is in Lockhart, about 35 miles SE
> of Austin on Hway 183...my favorite is Chisholm Trail, used to
prefer > Black's, but CH is better and cheaper and they give scraps for
my > dog...the tourist trap is Kreuz's but I don't care for a side
order of > attitude with my lunch and they serve meat only, NO side
> dishes...Smitty's is newish, part of a split/feud from the Kreuz
> family. In Austin, the high dollar place is the County Line; I favor
> Don's in Oak Hill, others like Ironworks downtown on 2nd Street. On
> the East Side, there's a pretty good place on E. 7th, just a couple of
I'll have to print that list. I remember somewhere in the area being
renowned as having the absolute best Beef Brisket in the World. I
friend of mine's daughter may be starting Grad School there soon so
maybe I'll give her the list and let her search for the Grail
Unfortunately almost all the NC stuff is all pork which is OK, but
I grew up on Beef and it's hard to find anybody up here who will even
put it on the Menu, much less do it right.
Atlanta Cardfan
(including myself for the area) swore by Bullock's for the best
in that local area - could have sworn the locals felt the same
way; the adequate parking lot was always overflowing at lunchtime,
even with Hurricane remnant stormy days.
I believe the sauce there was vinegar based, and I hear that
mustard base is prevalent towards VA, but I don't think I had
that.
Here in Alpharetta/Cumming they had Pappy Red's; actually that moved to
Roswell due to the GA 400 construction.. it is very good locally,
but the tomato based sauce is somewhat common, and I don't think
it would fare well in a regional competition. They are still excellent
caterers, though.
Paul
cro...@earthlink.net
around in a group to all the best barbecue places in the area...she might
like to join, fun way to meet new people! The club was featured on one of
the 570256 programs on the Food Channel on barbecue.
Brisket is my favorite. You have not lived until you have had the brisket
tacos at The Taco House in Edinburg, Tx (way down on the border). However,
just about any school fundraiser in the front yard barbecue will be very
good...home cooked and all that!
"dn" <dav...@cxrxlxnx.rr.cxm> wrote in message
Lance Freezeland
us:
>On June 06 2005, Lance Freezeland
><freezeland...@consolidated.net> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 22:28:07 -0500, "bgs" <b...@mindless.com> gave us:
>>> Johnny Rays is no longer a part of us. The son committed suicide two
> >> or three years ago and Johnny died this past year. The family and
>>> the business were fixtures for decades and they had darn good
>>> barbecue. But, all is not lost - we can make Honey's chocolate pie!
> >> I'm not much of a rib eater, although I love barbecue, but the
>>> family-at-large insists I do ribs every summer with Honey's chocolate
> >> pies for desert. I just wish I had her recipe for her lemon pie.
>>> Lance is a Dreamland guy too, although if memory serves me right,
>>> he's not eaten at the original one near Tuscaloosa.
>> True. I've been to the Dreamland locations in Mobile and Birmingham,
>> but not in Tuscaloosa.
>> The Archangel Michelle and I were watching a show the other night on
>> either the Travel Channel or the Food Network (I forget which) about
>> BBQ. They were showing all these places: Rib & Loin in Chattanooga,
>> Big Bob Gibson's in Decatur AL, Dreamland, Corky's in Memphis,
>> Interstate in Memphis, Rendevous in Memphis. We had been to every one
>> of them within the past six years.
>OK, Lance you got to rank em top to bottom and what you usually eat
>there.
>Beef, Pork, Ribs, Sauce vs Dry Rub, Red/White/Mustard/Vinegar etc.
>What kind of sauce do you prefer.
Ribs and pulled pork shoulder are my preferred plates, with a red (not
sweet) sauce.
In a recent discussion, some members of this group stated that they
could not be objective in reviewing the original 1977 Star Wars movie
because that was the movie that changed their movie-going existence
when they were young. I'm the same way with regard to Rib & Loin in
Chattanooga. I had lived my entire life up here in Illinois, where
good BBQ is almost non-existent, and the first time I stumbled into
the Rib & Loin in 1994, the world changed for me.
Rendevous in Memphis specializes in dry rub ribs, which are not my
favorite, but they have the best of those I've ever had. Michelle
loves the red beans and rice there.
I personally don't like Interstate BBQ in Memphis. The sauce is just
way too sweet for me. Sickeningly sweet. Michelle likes it, though.
If I had to pick a favorite, I'd choose Big Bob Gibson's in Decatur
AL, right now. Just fantastic ribs and pulled pork with a great
sauce.
The Birmingham Dreamland location gets better each time I go back. I
like it better than the one in Mobile. And I'd rank it ahead of
Corky's right now, but I haven't been to Corky's since May 2000, so I
need to go back there again.
>Anywhere in Austin, TX?
>Any NC BBQ joints on your list?
I hate the mustard and vinegar sauces, so you'll find no North
Carolina places on my list. And I've never been to Texas.
--
Lance
"Economics played a role. Raleighs have gone
from six fifty to nine dollars a carton, but there's
a three-quarter cent coupon on the back. You
can get all kinds of things with them, blenders,
everything. I saved up enough one time and got
Al Bumbry." -- Earl Weaver
bgs
That's true. I remember when I was a sophomore in college, a group of us
rode over here for a basketball tournament. My impression of the city was
so horrible that years later, when I was being transferred here, I almost
quit my job in Atlanta. Little did I know that they had cleaned up the
steel mills so much that it was a completely different town ('77). I never
would've guessed that several years later when the company wanted me to move
back to Atlanta, that I *did* quit in order to stay here.
--Scott
bgs
True words indeed.
bgs
: On June 06 2005, Lance Freezeland
Please tell me you along the way ate at Ken's BBQ out in Tarrant....
--before they expanded too I hope (never were the same after)
dn
I will agree that it was a truly remarkable transformation since I lived
there on both sides. Between EPA regs and the Oil Spike of the
early 70's which saw unemployment in the city reach 20-25% nearly
destroyed both the steel industry and the city. Birmingham's
equivalent of the Boll Weevil forced the city and a few very smart
leaders to build around Banks, Insurance, and the Medical Center almost
to a tee the way Pittsburgh had 20 years previously.
Once the Smoke stacks were filtered or shutdown, it was amazing how
pretty the city turned out to be as the plants/trees grew back. It
was still a shock and very eerie for years to drive over the
Birmingport/Ensley Bridge and still those nonworking ghosts that
were once SteelWorks that worked nonstop for decades.