Why Martinez? Are we using a 6-man rotation now?
MoneyBN
Are you saying a 10.35 ERA isn't good enough?
>Personally, I don't think Martinez even deserves to still be on the team.
>There are times in players' careers when they know it is time to hang up
the
>glove and move on. Martinez is at that point in his career. He is not
fooling
>any of the batters at the plate and has gotten rocked both times he
started.
>Tonight he didn't even last through 3 innings before being yanked. The
Braves
>are planning on pulling up another batter within the next 5 days and the
talk
>is that they will send Paul Byrd back down again when they do. They need
to
>send Martinez down instead. Having him start a game is just handing away a
win
>to the opposition.
Dan
I thought Martinez had officially been designated as the "veteran
leadership" of the bullpen? So why was he starting the nightcap
tonight, is it because Cox didn't want the doubleheader to throw off
his set rotation? Was he using El Presidente as a human shield, so to
speak, to get out of Coors without any harm done to any of our regular
starters' ERAs? Well in any case, it looks like we're handling the
Rox better than we have the last couple of years...
Usanajs
DeLane D. Wright
Look, Denver forced the issue when it opted to play two games today instead
of playing one on Tuesday, as Atlanta preferred. It was Denver's call. They
probably figured that the Braves would not want to risk pushing the rotation
this early in the year, and in cold weather. So they decide to go with both
games today, hoping to cause pitching pressure for Atlanta.
Cox made the right choice. Maybe the Braves win, maybe they lose, but the
rotation remains intact. An injury to one of the rotation arms, especially
this early in the year, could lead to lots more losses. It's only April,
guys.
So lighten up and think strategy. Cox may be a players manager, but he isn't
going to take unwarranted risks just to help Martinez get that next win. If
he were that sentimental, Avery would still be pitching for Atlanta.
How about a little celebrating. Chipper is killing the ball. Galarraga and
Weiss are doing a whole lot better than many of you thought, A. Jones' bat
may be coming around, Tucker's game is coming back, and this Millwood kid
may end up being the envy of every MLB club. Enjoy!
And one more thing, while I'm venting: (RE: comments of a few days ago) I
like Skip Carey, sarcasm and all. It's like going to the game with your
curmudgeon buddy. He knows the game, and he knows who writes the checks.
He's supposed to support the team. Besides, try listening to some of the
other broadcasters out there. You might better appreciate the quality in the
Braves broadcast booth.
DW
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Terry May
Re: "Why Martinez? Are we using a 6-man rotation now?", Mon...@yahoo.com
pitched the following on 19 Apr 98 @ 21:26:56:
M> Are you saying a 10.35 ERA isn't good enough?
Ah, but as soon as he gets it down to a respectable level, maybe we can trade
him for a good prospect. Granted, it hasn't been down to a respectable level
in more than a year, but just wait. Old, gutsy veterans like Martinez always
have something up their sleeve when they need it. He just doesn't want to
give away too much before we get to the games that REALLY count. Then you
watch out!!!
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Scott Willsey
Terry May wrote in message <2324_o...@lvdi.net>...
>Ah, but as soon as he gets it down to a respectable level, maybe we can
trade
>him for a good prospect. Granted, it hasn't been down to a respectable
level
>in more than a year, but just wait. Old, gutsy veterans like Martinez
always
>have something up their sleeve when they need it. He just doesn't want to
>give away too much before we get to the games that REALLY count. Then you
>watch out!!!
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I love the sig Terry, but you must be one of the sixteen that thinks that
Dennis Martinez is going to win the most games of the Braves pitching staff.
Check it out. On the Braves website, the Choptalk section has a poll going
as to who will win the most games. Here's the current totals:
Poll Results Dennis Martinez 16
Denny Neagle 475
Kevin Millwood 89
Tom Glavine 556
John Smoltz 216
Greg Maddux 854
Okay, I can see the others, I guess, though at the moment I'd probably think
that Kevin Millwood should be a lot closer to those other four than he
should to Dennis Martinez. But can you believe that anyone voted for Dennis
Martinez to win the most games, let alone 16 people??!!??
Dennis Martinez is going to win more games than Greg Maddux???/!!!!!!!!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Attention, folks: Sports and Crack don't mix. Bad, bad combination. Put
down the pipe.
Scott
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Andy Walton
In article <353b23e9.0@calwebnnrp>, "Scott Willsey"
<hangtow...@calweb.com> wrote:
:I love the sig Terry, but you must be one of the sixteen that thinks that
:Dennis Martinez is going to win the most games of the Braves pitching staff.
It's called sarcasm. Look into it.
Martinez is this year's Terry Pendleton (1996 edition), and while I'd love
to see him bask in one last moment of glory, I wouldn't bet the rent on
it.
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Usanajs
> M> Are you saying a 10.35 ERA isn't good enough?
>
>Ah, but as soon as he gets it down to a respectable level, maybe we can trade
>
>him for a good prospect.
He will never get down to a respectable level. Why do you think the Braves got
him dirt cheap in the first place?
Terry May
Re: "Martinez to win the most games. Was: Re: Why Martinez? Are we us",
hangtow...@calweb.com pitched the following on 20 Apr 98 @ 03:33:19:
hn> Okay, I can see the others, I guess, though at the moment I'd
hn> probably think that Kevin Millwood should be a lot closer to those
hn> other four than he should to Dennis Martinez. But can you believe
hn> that anyone voted for Dennis Martinez to win the most games, let
hn> alone 16 people??!!??
hn> Dennis Martinez is going to win more games than Greg
hn> Maddux???/!!!!!!!!
hn> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maddux does not have the "Veteran Leadership" (tm) that Martinez has. And
that Millwood, forget it! The guy is a kid. He doesn't know the first thing
about pitching. Martinez practically invented pitching!
... Atlanta Braves - 1991, 1992, 1995 & 1996 National League Champions!
Scott Willsey
Andy Walton wrote in message ...
>In article <353b23e9.0@calwebnnrp>, "Scott Willsey"
><hangtow...@calweb.com> wrote:
>
> :I love the sig Terry, but you must be one of the sixteen that thinks
that
> :Dennis Martinez is going to win the most games of the Braves pitching
staff.
>
>It's called sarcasm. Look into it.
>
Uh... I thought I was being sarcastic myself... I won't make any obvious
remarks about looking into it. You can do that for yourself.
Terry May
Re: "Martinez to win the most games. Was: Re: Why Martinez? Are w",
att...@mindspring.com pitched the following on 20 Apr 98 @ 12:29:21:
a> Martinez is this year's Terry Pendleton (1996 edition), and while I'd
a> love to see him bask in one last moment of glory, I wouldn't bet the
a> rent on it.
I no longer want to see him get the record. I think he's already made a
mockery of the record by hanging on way past the point of being productive.
What does it prove? Certainly not that he's better than Juan Marichal was.
It just proves he didn't know when to quit.
... Atlanta Braves - Six straight division titles!
Colin T. William
On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, crow wrote:
> Amen to that!! It's kinda like that Japanese player who played into
> his mid 40s just so he could break Lou Gherig's record. Even in those
> tiny ballparks they have over there, I'm sure the guy was sucking wind
> 4 games out of 5.
Of course, the same could be said of Cal Ripken, who's gone through
periods of extreme suckage when he was pursuing Gehrig...
But I agree with the general sentiment. Hell, if Marichal had hung around
while sucking as long as Martinez has then martinez would haev
considerably longer to go. Martinez should learn from dale Murphy: Murph
tried hanging on to get hsi final two HR to reach 400, but finally
acknowledged that if he couldn't hit 'em in Mile High, he wasn't gonna hit
'em.
Colin
Peter Chang
I don't think he was dirt cheap - he's been very expensive, considering how
may games he's going to cost us this year (and already has...)
crow
On Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:51:15 GMT, outr...@lvdi.net (Terry May) wrote:
>Re: "Martinez to win the most games. Was: Re: Why Martinez? Are w",
>att...@mindspring.com pitched the following on 20 Apr 98 @ 12:29:21:
>
> a> Martinez is this year's Terry Pendleton (1996 edition), and while I'd
> a> love to see him bask in one last moment of glory, I wouldn't bet the
> a> rent on it.
>
>I no longer want to see him get the record. I think he's already made a
>mockery of the record by hanging on way past the point of being productive.
>What does it prove? Certainly not that he's better than Juan Marichal was.
>It just proves he didn't know when to quit.
Amen to that!! It's kinda like that Japanese player who played into
his mid 40s just so he could break Lou Gherig's record. Even in those
tiny ballparks they have over there, I'm sure the guy was sucking wind
4 games out of 5. Similar situation with Martinez...42 and counting.
I don't think Marichal was that old when he retired, was he? Even
with the opportunity of being in The Ted, pitchers' paradise, 81 games
out of the year I doubt Martinez will get it. Not unless something
really bizarre happens like the Braves winning one of those 12-11
games with him just happening to be the picther of record.
Billy
Terry May <outr...@lvdi.net> writes:
>I no longer want to see him get the record. I think he's already made a
>mockery of the record by hanging on way past the point of being productive.
>What does it prove? Certainly not that he's better than Juan Marichal was.
>It just proves he didn't know when to quit.
I'd like to see him get the record for two reasons... One, I like
the guy. Two, getting the record will make it easier for Schuerholz
to cut him -- the publicity will be over.
Breaking some record or other has no correlation whatsoever with
being better than the guy whose record was broken. Maris and Ruth.
Aaron and Ruth. Rose and Cobb. Martinez would not be the first
nor the last.
Billy
Billy
crow <bil...@hotmail.com> writes:
>Amen to that!! It's kinda like that Japanese player who played into
>his mid 40s just so he could break Lou Gherig's record. Even in those
of players better than them: Ripken and Gehrig. (And, folks,
it is not like Ripken isn't hanging on, in his own way.)
>I don't think Marichal was that old when he retired, was he? Even
>with the opportunity of being in The Ted, pitchers' paradise, 81 games
>out of the year I doubt Martinez will get it. Not unless something
Billy
Terry May
Re: "Martinez to win the most games", just...@delphi.com pitched the
following on 21 Apr 98 @ 01:01:56:
j> I'd like to see him get the record for two reasons... One, I like
j> the guy.
I don't know the guy. I just know he's harming my team because of his
selfishness. (Granted, he's being allowed to harm my team.)
j> Two, getting the record will make it easier for Schuerholz
j> to cut him -- the publicity will be over.
If that's the only reason he's on the team, then JS is even a bigger moron
than I think. (That's not to say I don't think it's possible.)
j> Breaking some record or other has no correlation whatsoever with
j> being better than the guy whose record was broken. Maris and Ruth.
j> Aaron and Ruth. Rose and Cobb. Martinez would not be the first
j> nor the last.
That's true, but it doesn't make it right, either, to hang on well past being
productive, just to grab record. That demeans the record.
... Atlanta Braves - 1995 World Series Champions!
AAWgoon
>And one more thing, while I'm venting: (RE: comments of a few days ago) I
>like Skip Carey, sarcasm and all. It's like going to the game with your
>curmudgeon buddy. He knows the game, and he knows who writes the checks.
>He's supposed to support the team. Besides, try listening to some of the
>other broadcasters out there. You might better appreciate the quality in the
>Braves broadcast booth.
have you all ever tried to listen to or watch a Braves game broadcast by
another team? It stinks. I used to steer clear of Marlins broadcasts when TBS
wasn't showing the Braves/Marlins games.
I am so used to Skip,Joe,Don andPete that I can't stand any others. (save for
when Ernie Johnson is broadcasting)
Adam
James R. Sidbury
game in the series with their broadcast crew. I think it gives a better
perspective on the team to see it in the eyes of the other guys and I
think the Phillies announcers are pretty good. I still prefer our guys
but enjoy the contrast.
dick
Chris Dial
James R. Sidbury wrote in message <353CC44A...@cs.uofs.edu>...
>AAWgoon wrote:
>>
>> >And one more thing, while I'm venting: (RE: comments of a few days ago)
I
>> >like Skip Carey, sarcasm and all. It's like going to the game with your
>> >curmudgeon buddy. He knows the game, and he knows who writes the checks.
>> >He's supposed to support the team. Besides, try listening to some of the
>> >other broadcasters out there. You might better appreciate the quality in
the
>> >Braves broadcast booth.
>>
>> have you all ever tried to listen to or watch a Braves game broadcast by
>> another team? It stinks. I used to steer clear of Marlins broadcasts when
TBS
>> wasn't showing the Braves/Marlins games.
>>
>> I am so used to Skip,Joe,Don andPete that I can't stand any others. (save
for
>>> when Ernie Johnson is broadcasting)
>
>I get the Phillies broadcasts around here too. I always try to watch a
>game in the series with their broadcast crew. I think it gives a better
>perspective on the team to see it in the eyes of the other guys and I
>think the Phillies announcers are pretty good. I still prefer our guys
>but enjoy the contrast.
You guys should get out more. Harry Calas is a much better announcer than
any of the Braves' goofs. But Skip is better than these hacks: Jack Buck,
Vin Scully, Jon Miller, Bob Murphy, Dave Campbell, Gary Thorne, Thom
Brennaman...cough, cough.
The Braves' announcers are better than some (Ken Harrelson, Tom Paciorek,
Joe Nuxhall (who may not still be alive) Marty Brennaman), not as good as
others (see above). Tim McCarver, for all his jabbering, isn't dumb and
doesn't pull for the home team. The really bad news is that Chip is better
than Skip, and Steve Stone is much better than Sutton.
The Braves don't have terrible announcers. The Phillies used have Ashburn,
but Chris Wheeler is a bonehead. Harry Calas is great.
And I suppose it is a personal preference, but I *hate* announcers pulling
for the team. That is really what makes the ChiSox announcers so freakin'
bad.
I don't care who's writing the checks, yes-men suck. Show a little cajones.
Chris Dial
Colin T. William
On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, it was written:
> The Braves' announcers are better than some (Ken Harrelson, Tom Paciorek,
> Joe Nuxhall (who may not still be alive) Marty Brennaman), not as good as
> others (see above). Tim McCarver, for all his jabbering, isn't dumb and
> doesn't pull for the home team. The really bad news is that Chip is better
> than Skip, and Steve Stone is much better than Sutton.
> And I suppose it is a personal preference, but I *hate* announcers pulling
> for the team. That is really what makes the ChiSox announcers so freakin'
> bad.
> I don't care who's writing the checks, yes-men suck. Show a little cajones.
I both agree and disagree here. I agree on the count that yes-men inthe
booth can be annoying. Skip used to be much more honest with his
opinions, but these days he and the others seems very hesitantto be
critical of any player, home or visiting.
That said, I think on local broadcasts we should have biased announcers.
The White Sox guys annoy the piss out of me also, but there's nothing
wrong (IMO) with being a homer, especially int he case of Skip and Pete,
who suffered through many really crappy years announcing the Braves for
TBS. Some of the best announcing calls in history would ahve been less
interesting without excitement from the booth: from Skip's radio call of
Sid bream scoring in the 1992 NLCS at the Braves level to "The Giants win
the pennant! The Giants win the pennant!" It lends energy and a little
passion. Like you, I could do with more honesty, but I do like the home
slant on home broadcasts (though broadcasts not affiliated wth one
particular team should be objective).
As for the announcers, Don bothers me enough sometimes that I'll turn off
the sound. Pete is a little bland but is fairly knowledgeable about the
history of the game and the franchise. Skip, well, he's Skip, and I just
like the miserable SOB :-)
Colin
Tony C Wright
In article <Pine.GSO.3.96.980421...@larry.cc.emory.edu>,
Colin T. William <cwi...@emory.edu> wrote:
>
>As for the announcers, Don bothers me enough sometimes that I'll turn off
>the sound. Pete is a little bland but is fairly knowledgeable about the
>history of the game and the franchise. Skip, well, he's Skip, and I just
>like the miserable SOB :-)
>
>Colin
>
left elbow like a gun sight.
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twr...@iastate.edu
Terry May
Re: "Skip comments", cwi...@emory.edu pitched the following on 21 Apr 98 @
16:58:10:
c> As for the announcers, Don bothers me enough sometimes that I'll turn
c> off the sound.
Glad I'm not the only one. Don is like fingernails on the chalkboard with
me. I feel he talks down to the audience (almost like he's addressing a
little kid), and his corny jokes are annoying at best. And it doesn't help
that it looks like he gets his hair cut at Doggy Depot. ;^)
c> Pete is a little bland but is fairly knowledgeable about the history
c> of the game and the franchise.
Pete is okay. Has a good voice and delivery, too. It's hard for me to get
past his "he can him 'em out anywhere" comment, though, when he was
addressing critics who said Galarraga's stats would suffer from leaving Coors
Field. (Of course he can, that was never the point.)
c> Skip, well, he's Skip, and I just like the miserable SOB :-)
He annoys me at times with his cliches and his falling in line with other
mediots on how to judge players (e.g. W-L record and RBIs are everything).
However, I do like his delivery and his dry humor.
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Tony C Wright wrote:
>
> In article <Pine.GSO.3.96.980421...@larry.cc.emory.edu>,
> Colin T. William <cwi...@emory.edu> wrote:
> >
> >the sound. Pete is a little bland but is fairly knowledgeable about the
> >history of the game and the franchise. Skip, well, he's Skip, and I just
> >like the miserable SOB :-)
> >
> >
> I wish I had a dime for every time Don has mentioned Wholers using his
> left elbow like a gun sight.
said anything new in the last 5 years. Pete is probably the best in
terms of knowledge of baseball and I agree that Skip is Skip. I think
he's gotten worse over the last few years. I used to like him because
he made fun of himself as well as the others, but his poking fun
seems to have a little more bite to it now.
I also don't mind homer announcers as long as they are homers up front
and that they try to be honest. The Braves announcers seem to fit my
definition of homer. When a call goes in favor of the Braves and it
is wrong, they usually say "we were lucky there" or some such. You
rarely hear them denegrate the other team (even when they deserve it)
and I remember at least one of them commenting about Galarraga pulling
a McGriff on that long single the other night.
And, I don't like Vin Scully because he seems to me to be
biased in favor of the Dodgers (which is ok) but tries to
hide the fact (which is not). YMMV.
dick
Wayne Tucker
James R. Sidbury wrote
:
:And, I don't like Vin Scully because he seems to me to be
:biased in favor of the Dodgers (which is ok) but tries to
:hide the fact (which is not). YMMV.
I get to listen to Vin a lot out here, and I don't think he tries to hide
that he's a Dodger fan. I think what he does do is respect the very best
players in the league. If you're a Dodger fan, you probably know quite a
bit about the team already...but you might not know about the players on the
Phillies, and Vin gives you everything you might want to know. He's also a
walking history book and can add the right anecdote at the right time.
Billy
"Colin T. William" <cwi...@emory.edu> writes:
>On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, it was written:
>
>> The Braves' announcers are better than some (Ken Harrelson, Tom Paciorek,
>> Joe Nuxhall (who may not still be alive) Marty Brennaman), not as good as
>> others (see above). Tim McCarver, for all his jabbering, isn't dumb and
>> doesn't pull for the home team. The really bad news is that Chip is better
is on a, er, nationwide station or whatever you call it. During
the '96 NLCS he said this: "The bad news is, Klesko homered
(or was it doubled?); the good news is, nobody was on base."
I ask you! He isn't even working for the Cards, he was working
for FOX! CHeck DejaNews for the railing that went on around here
during that NLCS; this was just one of thousands of stupid
things he said. That guy sucks.
>As for the announcers, Don bothers me enough sometimes that I'll turn off
>the sound. Pete is a little bland but is fairly knowledgeable about the
>history of the game and the franchise. Skip, well, he's Skip, and I just
>like the miserable SOB :-)
radio network; I'd love to hear you call in and tick him off.
As for Don, he might be my favorite one of the four (yeah, yeah,
I'm the one..) due to his insight on pitching. Plus, he's a bit
of a curmudgeon himself, and he can be funny...albeit sometimes
unintentionally. Skip, too.
Billy
Billy
"Wayne Tucker" <way...@hotmail.com> writes:
>I get to listen to Vin a lot out here, and I don't think he tries to hide
>that he's a Dodger fan. I think what he does do is respect the very best
>players in the league. If you're a Dodger fan, you probably know quite a
>bit about the team already...but you might not know about the players on the
>Phillies, and Vin gives you everything you might want to know. He's also a
>walking history book and can add the right anecdote at the right time.
I don't like single announcers. Two's just right. Three is
too many... one of them always ends up just making stupid
comments (i.e. Uecker).
Billy
Billy
"James R. Sidbury" <sid...@cs.uofs.edu> writes:
>> I wish I had a dime for every time Don has mentioned Wholers using his
>> left elbow like a gun sight.
he's *right*. I wonder if he's told Wohlers this? I agree it
gets old to use the same metaphor, though.
>YEAH, I used to like Don. The main trouble with him is that he hasn't
>said anything new in the last 5 years. Pete is probably the best in
>terms of knowledge of baseball and I agree that Skip is Skip. I think
>he's gotten worse over the last few years. I used to like him because
>he made fun of himself as well as the others, but his poking fun
>seems to have a little more bite to it now.
used a split-screen to show the Swinging Friar mascot in one half
and Skip in the other. The resemblance was uncanny and Skip took it
very well.
One thing I'd like is if he'd stop saying, "So-and-so would be next
but there are two out in the inning." Every game, he says this.
Find some new phrasing!
>I also don't mind homer announcers as long as they are homers up front
>and that they try to be honest. The Braves announcers seem to fit my
>definition of homer. When a call goes in favor of the Braves and it
>is wrong, they usually say "we were lucky there" or some such. You
>rarely hear them denegrate the other team (even when they deserve it)
>and I remember at least one of them commenting about Galarraga pulling
>a McGriff on that long single the other night.
become snippy about Klesko. They've jumped on Andruw, too.
Your definition of homer is one I like; there's nothing wrong
with that if they are on home broadcasts. Hey, I'm a homer.
I would say "we were lucky there." And I would be brutally
honest. They aren't usually brutally honest, but that's OK,
they know who signs the checks.
Billy
Erik Simpson
Billy (just...@delphi.com) wrote:
: "James R. Sidbury" <sid...@cs.uofs.edu> writes:
:
: >> I wish I had a dime for every time Don has mentioned Wholers using his
: >> left elbow like a gun sight.
:
: But the hell of it is, when he says this and you watch Wohlers,
: he's *right*. I wonder if he's told Wohlers this? I agree it
: gets old to use the same metaphor, though.
Yup. It gets old, but at least is says something about the game that an
average fan doesn't know. I'm not a Braves fan, but I watch them on TV
all the time, and he's the only one who ever teaches me anything. I have
no use for the rest of the Braves' crew.
Erik
Colin T. William
On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Billy wrote:
> "Colin T. William" <cwi...@emory.edu> writes:
> >On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, it was written:
> >> The Braves' announcers are better than some (Ken Harrelson, Tom Paciorek,
> >> Joe Nuxhall (who may not still be alive) Marty Brennaman), not as good as
> >> others (see above). Tim McCarver, for all his jabbering, isn't dumb and
> >> doesn't pull for the home team. The really bad news is that Chip is better
>
> The hell he doesn't. He pulls for the Cardinals even when he
> is on a, er, nationwide station or whatever you call it.
> things he said. That guy sucks.
Just as an aside, the quote on McCarver above wasn't mine (I'm pretty
sure that's clear but just in case...) :-) As for him, I find his shit
gets old real quick. He just bores me.
Re: Skip and don
> Me too. He's a dick, but I like him. I wish I could get the Braves
> radio network; I'd love to hear you call in and tick him off.
> As for Don, he might be my favorite one of the four (yeah, yeah,
> I'm the one..) due to his insight on pitching. Plus, he's a bit
> of a curmudgeon himself, and he can be funny...albeit sometimes
> unintentionally. Skip, too.
Check out realaudio for WSB AM-750 out of Atlanta, I'm pretty sure it's on
there. Skip's show usually runs starting 1 1/2 hours before the game for
an hour.
Colin
Colin T. William
On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Terry May wrote:
> Glad I'm not the only one. Don is like fingernails on the chalkboard with
> me. I feel he talks down to the audience (almost like he's addressing a
> little kid), and his corny jokes are annoying at best. And it doesn't help
> that it looks like he gets his hair cut at Doggy Depot. ;^)
*heh* He does get fairly repetitive. The one that always gets me is after
a sacrifice, "Look at the reception he'll get back in the dugout, just
like if he hit a home run." And then if they score the run, "Give the
pitcher half an RBI on that one." "They'll glady trade a run for an out in
this situation." "Sometimes you get hits off good pitches and outs off bad
pitches." Or every game with Gwynn (and most with Maddux) "He's a student
of the game."
The flipside is that eh does provide a lot of insight on in-game pitching
and catching strategy and technique. Filter out all the crap and he can
be real interesting :)
And with regard to most of our fielders, is almost every error really the
result of a "funny hop"? Because that's the way they make it sound...
Colin
Chris Dial
Billy wrote in message ...
>"Colin T. William" <cwi...@emory.edu> writes:
>>On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, it was written:
>>
>>> The Braves' announcers are better than some (Ken Harrelson, Tom
Paciorek,
>>> Joe Nuxhall (who may not still be alive) Marty Brennaman), not as good
as
>>> others (see above). Tim McCarver, for all his jabbering, isn't dumb and
>>> doesn't pull for the home team. The really bad news is that Chip is
better
C'mon, Billy, you never mess up attributions...
>
>The hell he doesn't. He pulls for the Cardinals even when he
>is on a, er, nationwide station or whatever you call it. During
>the '96 NLCS he said this: "The bad news is, Klesko homered
>(or was it doubled?); the good news is, nobody was on base."
>I ask you! He isn't even working for the Cards, he was working
>for FOX! CHeck DejaNews for the railing that went on around here
>during that NLCS; this was just one of thousands of stupid
>things he said. That guy sucks.
>
Here's the funny part. McCarver does love the Cardinals..at least he
fucking played for them (ROY, WS Champs). McCarver is a *Mets* announcer.
He hates the Mets. He is from Memphis and does homer for the Cardinals.
I'm glad the Mets only play them 12 times. The reason McCarver is the
*National* announcer is because he is good. He is a bit jabbery for the
people who already know baseball.
McCarver calls 160+ games a year and homers in 15 of them. That's a hell of
a lot better than homering in 160+.
Chris Dial
Wayne Tucker
Colin T. William wrote in message ...
:On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Terry May wrote:
:
:> Glad I'm not the only one. Don is like fingernails on the chalkboard
with
:> me. I feel he talks down to the audience (almost like he's addressing a
:> little kid), and his corny jokes are annoying at best. And it doesn't
help
:> that it looks like he gets his hair cut at Doggy Depot. ;^)
:
:*heh* He does get fairly repetitive. The one that always gets me is after
:a sacrifice, "Look at the reception he'll get back in the dugout, just
:like if he hit a home run." And then if they score the run, "Give the
:pitcher half an RBI on that one." "They'll glady trade a run for an out in
:this situation." "Sometimes you get hits off good pitches and outs off bad
:pitches." Or every game with Gwynn (and most with Maddux) "He's a student
:of the game."
The new one we'll here at least once a week..."Maddux say, 'he remembers
stuff'" (regarding Millwood) Although I did like it the first time I heard
that...
Terry May
Re: "Skip comments", cwi...@emory.edu pitched the following on 22 Apr 98 @
10:39:54:
c> Just as an aside, the quote on McCarver above wasn't mine (I'm
c> pretty sure that's clear but just in case...) :-) As for him, I find
c> his shit gets old real quick. He just bores me.
I find McCarver downright annoying. However, I learn more from him than
probably any other announcer. In between his stupid jokes and his falling in
love with the sound of his own voice, the guy shows he knows a hell of a lot
about the game. It's just too bad you have to put up with all the other crap
to get to it.
... Atlanta Braves - 1995 World Series Champions!
Terry May
c> *heh* He does get fairly repetitive. The one that always gets me is
c> after a sacrifice, "Look at the reception he'll get back in the
c> dugout, just like if he hit a home run." And then if they score the
c> run, "Give the pitcher half an RBI on that one." "They'll glady trade
c> a run for an out in this situation." "Sometimes you get hits off good
c> pitches and outs off bad pitches." Or every game with Gwynn (and most
c> with Maddux) "He's a student of the game."
Must...resist...urge...to...smash...monitor. Agh!
c> The flipside is that eh does provide a lot of insight on in-game
c> pitching and catching strategy and technique. Filter out all the
c> crap and he can be real interesting :)
I guess my filter isn't working, because I find much of his "strategy and
technique" to be ridiculous.
c> And with regard to most of our fielders, is almost every error
c> really the result of a "funny hop"? Because that's the way they make
c> it sound...
Everybody's an all-star, so it must be a funny hop. That's another annoying
trait I neglected to mention: The incessant sucking up to every player in
the league. If you don't want to be critical, fine, but you don't have to
act like every player is the second coming of Babe Ruth or Cy Young, either.
(Same with umpires.)
... Multitasking: Start download; grab a beer; watch some baseball.
Sec chdhd
I became a Braves fan in the 80's, because of the annoucers.
I did not keep up with the game for a few years and my wife was
dieing.
So , I found myself watching a lot of tv at night at home, alone.
they made me laugh, and begin to enjoy the game again.
the team sucked, but I watched every chance I got.
I still enjoy them.
If you do not like them, turn down the sound.
I don't read post from people that I know will only make me mad.
I can't stand Vin Scully.
But to most, he's great.
I can live with that
If we all liked the same things, it would all be pretty boring on
this planet.
thanks for your time
GO BRAVES!!!!
NEVER MIND THAT #&&$*$*^$vb*% , HERE COMES MONGO!!!
secc...@aol.com
Bob Faulkner
"James R. Sidbury" <sid...@cs.uofs.edu> wrote:
>And, I don't like Vin Scully because he seems to me to be
>biased in favor of the Dodgers (which is ok) but tries to
>hide the fact (which is not). YMMV.
I've listened to Scully do games not involving the Dodgers for NBC.
I'm convinced that the man could come up with a connection to the
Dodgers in a discussion over grocery prices.
Bob Faulkner (bfa...@spamstop.ionet.net)
Ex-AOL user since 3/17/96
Tomahawker since 1966
(Delete spamstop to respond in e-mail)
Billy
>a sacrifice, "Look at the reception he'll get back in the dugout, just
>like if he hit a home run." And then if they score the run, "Give the
>pitcher half an RBI on that one." "They'll glady trade a run for an out in
>this situation." "Sometimes you get hits off good pitches and outs off bad
>pitches." Or every game with Gwynn (and most with Maddux) "He's a student
>of the game."
awwwrrrckkk....
Wow. It's sensory overload to get all those cliches in one
place at one time... whew!
>And with regard to most of our fielders, is almost every error really the
>result of a "funny hop"? Because that's the way they make it sound...
I thought it was "bunny hop."
Billy
Billy
>>>
>>>> The Braves' announcers are better than some (Ken Harrelson, Tom
>Paciorek,
>>>> Joe Nuxhall (who may not still be alive) Marty Brennaman), not as good
>as
>>>> others (see above). Tim McCarver, for all his jabbering, isn't dumb and
>>>> doesn't pull for the home team. The really bad news is that Chip is
>better
>
>
>C'mon, Billy, you never mess up attributions...
credit for that reputation. Crud -- my bad! Having to snip
more than 500 lines of text and headers makes it tough...
>Here's the funny part. McCarver does love the Cardinals..at least he
>fucking played for them (ROY, WS Champs). McCarver is a *Mets* announcer.
>He hates the Mets. He is from Memphis and does homer for the Cardinals.
>I'm glad the Mets only play them 12 times. The reason McCarver is the
>*National* announcer is because he is good. He is a bit jabbery for the
>people who already know baseball.
just to catch those games.
Remember when McCarver gave that speech in '96 about how
Chipper would swing if his arms came out of his knees or
something?
Billy
Terry May
Re: "Skip comments", just...@delphi.com pitched the following on 25 Apr 98
@ 00:39:29:
>> And with regard to most of our fielders, is almost every error
>> really the result of a "funny hop"? Because that's the way they make
>> it sound...
j>
j> I thought it was "bunny hop."
Precisely. That goes toward what I was saying about his propensity to talk
down to the viewer, as if he's addressing a bunch of little kids.
... PITCHERS.BAT found! Delete DH.SYS (Y/y)?
Terry May
j> Remember when McCarver gave that speech in '96 about how
j> Chipper would swing if his arms came out of his knees or
j> something?
Yeah, what was it, "If God wanted you to swing at low pitches he'd have put
your arms coming out of your knees" or some stupid thing like that.
... (^:b Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, Neagle, Millwood d:^)
charles duncan
"Colin T. William" <cwi...@emory.edu> wrote:
>On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Terry May wrote:
>
>> Glad I'm not the only one. Don is like fingernails on the chalkboard with
>> me. I feel he talks down to the audience (almost like he's addressing a
>> little kid), and his corny jokes are annoying at best. And it doesn't help
>> that it looks like he gets his hair cut at Doggy Depot. ;^)
>
>*heh* He does get fairly repetitive. The one that always gets me is after
>a sacrifice, "Look at the reception he'll get back in the dugout, just
>like if he hit a home run." And then if they score the run, "Give the
>pitcher half an RBI on that one." "They'll glady trade a run for an out in
>this situation." "Sometimes you get hits off good pitches and outs off bad
>pitches." Or every game with Gwynn (and most with Maddux) "He's a student
>of the game."
>
>The flipside is that eh does provide a lot of insight on in-game pitching
>and catching strategy and technique. Filter out all the crap and he can
>be real interesting :)
I've always thought that Don Sutton does a very good job. He has a
lot of insight into the strategy of a game.
Also, I like hearing the old sayings from his collection, such as
"and if your Aunt Minnie had a moustache, she'd be your Uncle Fred,"
or "if ifs and buts were candies and nuts, we'd all have a Merry
Christmas."
However, I think he should quit saying "Right down Broadway" and
should instead say "Right down Peachtree."
C. Duncan