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Bryan S. Slick

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Oct 10, 2004, 1:59:30 PM10/10/04
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..to give up a lead.

That ground rule needs to be changed. Ortiz made a Hell of a play that
should have ended the inning.

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is when we kick it into the grandstands." -- KSU Coach Bill Snyder

Bob Horton

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Oct 10, 2004, 2:06:42 PM10/10/04
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"Bryan S. Slick" <use...@slick-family.not> wrote in message
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Did that ball look like it was caught in fair territory to anyone else???

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Bob Horton


Dale Hicks

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Oct 10, 2004, 2:07:21 PM10/10/04
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In article <W4udnRWWV_0...@comcast.com>,
no_re_hort...@hotmail.com says...

I think it was. The ruling is that it hit the roof in foul territory,
which makes the ball dead, a foul ball.

If it hits the roof in fair territory, then it's wherever the ball lands
that determines things.

Now, is there a line on the roof so the umpire can judge this
adequately?

Of course, Morgan was very valid in his criticism of Ortiz, I think.

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Bob Horton

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Oct 10, 2004, 2:20:57 PM10/10/04
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"Dale Hicks" <dgh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Oh, I misunderstood the rule. Regardless oh the beneficiary, I think that
ground-rule needs to be looked at.

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Bob Horton


George Grapman

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Oct 10, 2004, 2:30:40 PM10/10/04
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Bryan S. Slick wrote:
> ..to give up a lead.
>
> That ground rule needs to be changed. Ortiz made a Hell of a play that
> should have ended the inning.
>


It should be the same in every park. Morgan noted that the same play
would have been an out in Minnesota.

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Jon Richardson

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Oct 10, 2004, 3:03:47 PM10/10/04
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"Dale Hicks" <dgh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Maybe it's just in comparison to Jeff Brantley, but I think this may be the
best game I've ever heard from Morgan. I don't think he's said anything
stupid yet, and has made a lot of good points about both teams. Mentioning
that Atlanta has plenty of time to get back into the game, mentioning that
Clemens doesn't have his location....he's done a really good job...

Jon
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Roger Moore

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Oct 10, 2004, 3:29:06 PM10/10/04
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"Bob Horton" <no_re_hort...@hotmail.com> writes:

>Did that ball look like it was caught in fair territory to anyone else???

It doesn't matter where it was caught. The Houston ground rules say that
if the ball hits the roof in foul ground it's a dead ball (and obviously
counts as a foul). It's pretty clear that the ball did hit the roof in
foul ground, so it's a foul whether or not it's caught. Tough luck for
the Braves, but them's the breaks.

--
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people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by
violent and sudden usurpations. -- James Madison

charles shelton

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Oct 10, 2004, 3:42:50 PM10/10/04
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"Jon Richardson" <jonric...@rogers.com> wrote in

>
> Maybe it's just in comparison to Jeff Brantley, but I think this may be
the
> best game I've ever heard from Morgan. I don't think he's said anything
> stupid yet, and has made a lot of good points about both teams.
Mentioning
> that Atlanta has plenty of time to get back into the game, mentioning that
> Clemens doesn't have his location....he's done a really good job...
>
> Jon
> --

i've never had a problem with morgan. he's is usually very impartial and is
more insightful that most other players turned announcers.

-charles


charles shelton

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Oct 10, 2004, 3:43:27 PM10/10/04
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"Roger Moore" <r...@alumnae.caltech.edu> wrote in message
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do they have markings on the roof or is it just the ump's judgement?

-charles


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David Marc Nieporent

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Oct 10, 2004, 6:08:29 PM10/10/04
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In article <Iahad.10362$3C6.2...@news20.bellglobal.com>,

fdwe <ad...@asdf.org> wrote:
>> "Bob Horton" <no_re_hort...@hotmail.com> writes:

>>>Did that ball look like it was caught in fair territory to anyone else???

>> It doesn't matter where it was caught. The Houston ground rules
>> say that if the ball hits the roof in foul ground it's a dead
>> ball (and obviously counts as a foul). It's pretty clear that
>> the ball did hit the roof in foul ground, so it's a foul whether
>> or not it's caught. Tough luck for the Braves, but them's the
>> breaks.

>Why do you say that it is "pretty clear" that the ball hit the roof
>in foul territory? That's not clear at all.

Some people watch games. Just because you spend your life trolling, don't
assume others do.

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Steve Cutchen

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Oct 10, 2004, 11:40:38 PM10/10/04
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In article <MPG.1bd342835...@news-40.giganews.com>, Bryan S.
Slick <use...@slick-family.not> wrote:

> ..to give up a lead.
>
> That ground rule needs to be changed. Ortiz made a Hell of a play that
> should have ended the inning.

And let'em play it off the netting, too!

Steve Cutchen

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Oct 10, 2004, 11:42:07 PM10/10/04
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In article <2stemuF...@uni-berlin.de>, Jon Richardson
<jonric...@rogers.com> wrote:

Other thansaying that some fast balls get faster as they approach the
plate...

Steve Cutchen

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Oct 10, 2004, 11:44:05 PM10/10/04
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In article <q4KdnUgB8bJ...@adelphia.com>, charles shelton
<charles...@nospamatadelfiuh.neht.> wrote:

It doesn't really hit the roof, it hits the girders. Which girders are
in foul territory is reviewed beforehand. The spacing is pretty large,
so it's pretty obvious.

Bryan S. Slick

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Oct 11, 2004, 1:28:19 AM10/11/04
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[Steve Cutchen (max...@earthlink.net)]
[Mon, 11 Oct 2004 03:40:38 GMT]

:In article <MPG.1bd342835...@news-40.giganews.com>, Bryan S.

Nice snark attempt, but if it hits off of the "fair" part of the ceiling
(whatever the Hell that means, in terms of the ump's ability to discern
it), it's in play.

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charles shelton

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Oct 11, 2004, 8:50:48 AM10/11/04
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"Steve Cutchen" <max...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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ah..thanks. guess it was just bad luck. is it really that bad there they
need a roof? i've never been but i've heard it's hotter than hades.

-charles


cro...@earthlink.net

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Oct 11, 2004, 11:43:05 AM10/11/04
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it's not the heat, it's the humidity..


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charles shelton

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Oct 11, 2004, 12:41:47 PM10/11/04
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any worse than south florida? the marlins don't have a roof. are texans
really that wimpy <eg>

-charles

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Roger Moore

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Oct 11, 2004, 1:02:49 PM10/11/04
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"charles shelton" <charles...@nospamatadelfiuh.neht.> writes:

>any worse than south florida? the marlins don't have a roof.

And their ownership has been bitching about how the lack of a roof is
keeping away fans since day one. They say that it's about rain rather
than heat, but I'm guessing that AC would be greatly appreciated.

cro...@earthlink.net

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Oct 11, 2004, 1:08:38 PM10/11/04
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yeah, and nobody goes to the Marlins games...

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charles shelton

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Oct 11, 2004, 1:17:32 PM10/11/04
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true...but it's not that heat that causes that...

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charles shelton

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Oct 11, 2004, 1:18:14 PM10/11/04
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"Roger Moore" <r...@alumnae.caltech.edu> wrote in message
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> "charles shelton" <charles...@nospamatadelfiuh.neht.> writes:
>
> >any worse than south florida? the marlins don't have a roof.
>
> And their ownership has been bitching about how the lack of a roof is
> keeping away fans since day one. They say that it's about rain rather
> than heat, but I'm guessing that AC would be greatly appreciated.
>
> --
> Roger Moore

given recent weather events...the roof wouldn't still be there regardless.
:)

-charles


tom dunne

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Oct 11, 2004, 1:59:57 PM10/11/04
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Roger Moore wrote:
> "charles shelton" <charles...@nospamatadelfiuh.neht.> writes:
>
>
>>any worse than south florida? the marlins don't have a roof.
>
>
> And their ownership has been bitching about how the lack of a roof is
> keeping away fans since day one. They say that it's about rain rather
> than heat, but I'm guessing that AC would be greatly appreciated.

The heat isn't a problem any more than a lot of other places. Average
July high temperature in Miami is 87 degrees. Average July high
termperature in Cincinnati is also 87 degrees. You don't hear anyone
saying the Reds should play in a dome stdaium...

charles shelton

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Oct 11, 2004, 3:15:43 PM10/11/04
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"tom dunne" <askm...@myemail.com> wrote in message
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well i disagree with that. i live in stuart florida, about 100 miles north
of miami, and i build houses for a living, so i'm outside almost every day
if i don't get rained out. the heat & humidity here are pretty intense from
may through october. it's bearable if you drink a ton of water & gradually
you get acclimated to it, but it's still pretty harsh. i don't go to
marlins games unless atlanta is in town. the heat has nothing to do with
it, just the sorry ass marlins.

-charles


tom dunne

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Oct 11, 2004, 4:27:24 PM10/11/04
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charles shelton wrote:

You disagree with what? That the average high July temeprature in
Cincinnati isn't really 87 degrees or that no one asks to build a dome
there? You might have a point about the humidity, if Great American
Ballpark wasn't about 50 feet from the Ohio river. July and August in
St. Louis are actually worse than in Miami by a few degrees, and the
Mississippi river is plenty humid. Cards and Reds fans manage without
air-condistioning.

Perry Sailor

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"tom dunne" <askm...@myemail.com> wrote in message
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I've lived in southern Ohio, St. Louis, and Texas, and they're ALL miserable
in the summer. I can't imagine Florida could be any worse, although it may
be more consistent -- the midwest does have periods of cooler summer weather
occasionally. But I found something else in his post more telling. He
doesn't go to Marlins games because of the "sorry ass Marlins"????? They're
the *defending world champions*, for crying out loud. They were in
postseason contention all season, until the last week or so. If he's at all
typical of Marlin fans, they've got a lot bigger problem than lack of AC in
the ballpark.

Perry
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Robert Tinker

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Oct 11, 2004, 5:12:01 PM10/11/04
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According to weatherbase.com average high temp in Cinncinati in July and
August is 86.6 and 85.1. In Miami those temps are 89 and 90 respectively.
Miami definitely hotter than Cincy.

Tinker


tom dunne

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Oct 11, 2004, 5:10:41 PM10/11/04
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Robert Tinker wrote:

/shrug.

http://www.weather.com/activities/other/other/weather/climo-monthly-graph.html?locid=USOH0188
http://www.weather.com/activities/other/other/weather/climo-monthly-graph.html?locid=USFL0316

That said, if the good people of Miami need indoor baseball because it's
two and a half degrees hotter than in Cincinnati... well, whatever makes
'em happy.

charles shelton

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Oct 11, 2004, 6:09:19 PM10/11/04
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"tom dunne" <askm...@myemail.com> wrote in message
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that "the heat isn't a problem any more than a lot of other places"

sorry...thought i was obvious about what i was disagreeing with.


-charles


charles shelton

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"Perry Sailor" <perry....@ReMoVeThIscolorado.edu> wrote in message
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a> i'm not a marlins fan
b> thanks for letting me know they're the defending world champs...i was not
aware.

-charles


charles shelton

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"tom dunne" <askm...@myemail.com> wrote in message
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tell you what...find someone who has had an outdoor job in both places and
ask them what they think. or...i'm always looking for help. move to stuart
and work with me a month and let me know if the heat isn't much of a problem
for ya ;)

-charles


MTV

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Oct 11, 2004, 7:02:57 PM10/11/04
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charles shelton wrote:
> any worse than south florida? the marlins don't have a roof. are texans
> really that wimpy <eg>
>
>

It really wasn't that hot yesterday, but overcast with a chance of rain and
with 43,000+ in close quarters an easy call to keep the A/C on. Down the
road at Reliant Stadium they had their roof open for the Texans game. The
clouds dissipated shortly after the game and a cold front has given us a
great wx day today. Only 68 this morning, 80 this afternoon.

Miami is defintely warmer and more "sticky" than Houston or our neighbor
New Orleans.

Marv

d.n.

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Oct 11, 2004, 8:29:35 PM10/11/04
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On October 11 2004, "charles shelton"
<charles...@nospamatadelfiuh.neht.> wrote:
>
> ah..thanks. guess it was just bad luck. is it really that bad there
> they need a roof? i've never been but i've heard it's hotter than
> hades.
>
> -charles

Been to many places and Houston is the hottest/most miserable place I've
ever been in the summer. Don't know if it's the heat or humidity or
both, but it seemed a lot hotter than South Florida -- of course I think
inland Florida/Orlando is hotter than Miami.

Looks like average daily highs:
May -- 86
June -- 91
July -- 94
August -- 93
Sept -- 89

50-70+ miles from the Gulf so minimal ocean breezes, but all the
humidity that Coastal Florida gets so that it feels cooler most of the
time. I think that's why Orlando feels so much worse to me. It
doesn't look like Miami has ever had a Record High temp above 98 and
July weather.com says July tops at 93 which can't be right. It looks
like Houston gets an official high temp of 106 and 4 separate months
with triple digit records.

inwiththenew

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Oct 13, 2004, 3:37:09 PM10/13/04
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try watching a game for 3 hours in a sauna, that's how it is during the
summer
but now they're doing it to keep the noise in

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