racquetball doubles rules
phi...@ix.netcom.com
hits the server's partner in doubles?
2 Is there an on-line (internet) listing of racquetball
rules....including doubles rules?
Robert Tarrall
: 1. What is the rule for a situation where a power serve
: hits the server's partner in doubles?
It's a fault serve. This is a recently-changed rule; it used to be a
dead-ball serve. The new rule reads:
4.10 Fault Serves
[...]
(k) Ball hits partner. A served ball that hits the doubles partner
while in the doubles box results in a fault serve.
: 2 Is there an on-line (internet) listing of racquetball
: rules....including doubles rules?
Yes, there are several. Here are a few:
http://134.82.20.9/RBall/AARA.html
http://www.mcs.com/~toma/www/files/rqb.rules.html
http://emporium.turnpike.net/~cyberguy/aara.html
None of these are up-to-date. That means that a few minor rules changes
such as the one above aren't in there. One other recent rule change that
comes to mind is that serving before the receiver is ready is now a
fault serve.
-Robert.-
Glenn Carlson
'phi...@ix.netcom.com' wrote:
>1. What is the rule for a situation where a power serve
>hits the server's partner in doubles?
the box...it is hand out or side out.
>
>2 Is there an on-line (internet) listing of racquetball
>rules....including doubles rules?
--
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http://emporium.turnpike.net/~cyberguy/uspra.html
Thomas Arneberg
>phi...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
>: 2 Is there an on-line (internet) listing of racquetball
>: rules....including doubles rules?
>
>Yes, there are several. Here are a few:
> http://134.82.20.9/RBall/AARA.html
> http://www.mcs.com/~toma/www/files/rqb.rules.html
> http://emporium.turnpike.net/~cyberguy/aara.html
I've made a link to shorten the apparent address of my RQB page
mentioned above, if you want to save some typing:
There are also pointers to lots of other web pageds on racquetball
>None of these are up-to-date. That means that a few minor rules changes
Does anyone have the latest AARA rules? I've been out of touch with
this newsgroup for a few months...I'll gladly put the latest rules on my
web page if someone sends 'em to me.
Thanks,
- Tom A.
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Don Apodaca
> >hits the server's partner in doubles?
> IF it hits them and they are in the box its a fault...if they are outside
> the box...it is hand out or side out.
I don't think so. It's a replay as look as your partner was still in the
box.
Alan Wolf
As I understand the new rules, it is a fault when your partner is hit
while still in the box.
Tim Radder
>
> > >1. What is the rule for a situation where a power serve
> > >hits the server's partner in doubles?
> > IF it hits them and they are in the box its a fault...if they are outside
> > the box...it is hand out or side out.
>
> I don't think so. It's a replay as look as your partner was still in the
> box.
If you hit your partner in the box it is an out,
If you hit your partner ON THE SERVE when he is out of the box, then he is out of the box to early and it is
also an out.
You ar not allowed to leave the box until the ball has passed the short-line
Good Luck
Tim Radder (dutch racquetball player)
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http://www.pi.net/~timr/timr.html
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Tim Radder
>
> 1. What is the rule for a situation where a power serve
> hits the server's partner in doubles?
>
> rules....including doubles rules?
4.9(a) Ball Hits Partner. A serve which strikes the server's
partner while in the doubles box is a dead-ball serve.
A serve which touches the floor before touching the
server's partner is a short serve.
4.10a(3) In doubles, the server's partner is not in the
service box with both feet on the floor and back to
the side wall from the time the server begins
the service motion until the ball passes the
short line See Rule 4.7(b).
these are the rules you can trust (AARA)
with thanks to Glenn Carlson
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Don Apodaca
> > > >hits the server's partner in doubles?
> > > the box...it is hand out or side out.
> >
> > I don't think so. It's a replay as look as your partner was still in the
> > box.
>
> If you hit your partner in the box it is an out,
Incorrect. I *repeat*, if you hit your partner while he is still in the box,
It's a replay (based on the dead-ball serve rule).
> If you hit your partner ON THE SERVE when he is out of the box, then he is out of the box to early and it is also an out.
Correct.
> You ar not allowed to leave the box until the ball has passed the short-line
Correct
Regards,
Don in DFW
rbz...@interserv.com
> Don Apodaca wrote:
> >
> > > >1. What is the rule for a situation where a power serve
> > > >hits the server's partner in doubles?
> > > IF it hits them and they are in the box its a fault...if they are outside
> > > the box...it is hand out or side out.
> >
> > I don't think so. It's a replay as look as your partner was still in the
> > box.
>
> If you hit your partner in the box it is an out,
> also an out.
> Tim Radder (dutch racquetball player)
> --
>
> http://www.pi.net/~timr/timr.html
>
> ;)
>
>>>>
Rule 4.10 (k) and reads: "Ball hits Partner. A served
ball that hits the doubles partner while in the doubles
box results in a fault serve." If the partner is already
out of the box (before the ball passes the short line)
it's a foot fault. Linda Mojer/AARA
Otis
>
> > > > >1. What is the rule for a situation where a power serve
> > > > >hits the server's partner in doubles?
> > > > IF it hits them and they are in the box its a fault...if they are outside
> > > > the box...it is hand out or side out.
> > >
> > > I don't think so. It's a replay as look as your partner was still in the
> > > box.
> >
> > If you hit your partner in the box it is an out,
>
> It's a replay (based on the dead-ball serve rule).
Don - I think that rule was recently changed. Hitting your partner on the serve
while he is in the box is a fault serve.
Tim
Fritz Owens
Well, you can thank Mr. Carlson for giving you bad information. I'm not
surprised since he tries to use this newsgroup to promote his marketing
agenda. In case you're interested, the rules were just changed and now
provide for a fault when your serve hits your partner when he is standing
inside the service box. This is A.A.R.A. rules and you might tell Mr.
Carlson to get his information up to date.
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On Sun, 21 Apr 1996, Tim Radder wrote:
> phi...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> >
> > 1. What is the rule for a situation where a power serve
> > hits the server's partner in doubles?
> >
Don Apodaca
> Rule 4.10 (k) and reads: "Ball hits Partner. A served
> ball that hits the doubles partner while in the doubles
> box results in a fault serve." If the partner is already
> out of the box (before the ball passes the short line)
> it's a foot fault. Linda Mojer/AARA
This must be recent. My copy from (from early 1995) doesn't even have a
(k). Well anyway, I stand corrected. But know I'm wondering, why the
change, and what else has changed?
Also, is the AARA still HQ'ed in Colorado Springs?
chrisb
>
>> > >1. What is the rule for a situation where a power serve
>> > >hits the server's partner in doubles?
outside
>> > the box...it is hand out or side out.
>>
>> I don't think so. It's a replay as look as your partner was still in
the
>> box.
>
>while still in the box.
It was changed to a fault serve in 1994. Prior to that, it was a dead
ball serve, and and was replayed.
chris
Kevin
>> > > >hits the server's partner in doubles?
>> > > IF it hits them and they are in the box its a fault...if they
are outside
>> > > the box...it is hand out or side out.
>> >
>> > I don't think so. It's a replay as look as your partner was still
in the
>> > box.
>>
he is out of the box to early and it is
>> also an out.
>> You ar not allowed to leave the box until the ball has passed the
short-line
>> Good Luck
>> Tim Radder (dutch racquetball player)
>> --
>>
>> http://www.pi.net/~timr/timr.html
>>
>> ;)
>>
>>>>>
>Rule 4.10 (k) and reads: "Ball hits Partner. A served
>ball that hits the doubles partner while in the doubles
>box results in a fault serve." If the partner is already
>out of the box (before the ball passes the short line)
>it's a foot fault. Linda Mojer/AARA
95-96 Rules say:
Rule 4.10(k) Ball hits Partner. A served ball that hits the doubles
partner while in the doubles box results in a fault serve.
Rule 4.11(j) Ball Hits Partner. A served ball that hits the doubles
partner while outside the doubles box results in loss of serve.
Rule 4.11(k) Safety Zone Violation. If the server, or doubles partner,
enters into the safety zone before the served ball passes the short
line, it shall result in the loss of serve.
Hope this helps :)
Laterz
Kevin
Bruce Dillingham
fault? Doesn't seem fair. Make you stand there and then hit you.
Luke Coughey
When the server is serving, they have a choice of where to serve the ball.
If they choose to hit their own partner on the serve, a fault is a minimal
penalty. I think that a loss of serve should be given, as it would be if
the server were to hit themself.
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Luke R. Coughey || "You may be dissappointed if you fail,
L.Co...@unb.ca || but you are doomed if you don't try.
|| -- Beverly Sills
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Bruce Dillingham
Someone in the box cannot. I don't really disagree with the fault, but loss of serve seems too much.
Luke Coughey
On 27 Apr 1996, Bruce Dillingham wrote:
> Luke Coughey <d8...@unb.ca> wrote:
> >
> >
> >When the server is serving, they have a choice of where to serve the ball.
> >If they choose to hit their own partner on the serve, a fault is a minimal
> >penalty. I think that a loss of serve should be given, as it would be if
> >the server were to hit themself.
> >
> >===================================> Luke R. Coughey || "You may be dissappointed if you fail,
> > L.Co...@unb.ca || but you are doomed if you don't try.
> > || -- Beverly Sills
> >===================================>
> >On 24 Apr 1996, Bruce Dillingham wrote:
> >
> >> Well then what is the point of having to stand in the box if it is a
> >> fault? Doesn't seem fair. Make you stand there and then hit you.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >While I wasn't being particularly serious on the subject, I would say that the difference is the server can move to avoid the ball. Someone in the box cannot. I don't really disagree with the fault, but loss of serve seems too much.
>
This falls into the same lines as when you hit your partner during play.
At all times, you are supposed to have control over your shots and where
you are to place them...if you hit yourself or your partner, the effects
should be the same.
Mike Honea
As long as they are in the box, it is only a fault not an automatic side
out. My theory is if you serve to that side where your partner is standing
and you don't hit him with the ball- chances are the opponent certainly
will. For safety and more enjoyment serve to the ooposite side of where
your partner is standing.
In article <Pine.SOL.3.93.960425102904.3243H-100000@romeo>, d8...@unb.ca
says...
>
>
>
>When the server is serving, they have a choice of where to serve the ball.
>If they choose to hit their own partner on the serve, a fault is a minimal
>penalty. I think that a loss of serve should be given, as it would be if
>the server were to hit themself.
>
>=======================================================================
> Luke R. Coughey || "You may be dissappointed if you fail,
> L.Co...@unb.ca || but you are doomed if you don't try.
> || -- Beverly Sills
>=======================================================================
>
Dennis Kodimer
Luke Cougheysays:
>Bruce Dillingham wrote:
>> >When the server is serving, they have a choice of where to serve the ball.
>> >If they choose to hit their own partner on the serve, a fault is a minimal
>> >penalty. I think that a loss of serve should be given, as it would be if
>> >the server were to hit themself.
First of all, if the doubles server hits his own partner in the box, in non-pro
it's a dead ball, not a fault and the server gets to serve again (2 serves if
hit occured on first serve, 1 serve if on second).
Second, having the partner over there and serving the ball on his side is lousy
strategy because --
1) If the ball passes close to feet or ass, it'll be a screen and a re-serve
2) He's directly in the path of the logical return of a drive serve
3) Even if he doesn't hinder the serve return,
he's stuck against the wall for a moment
4) Hit him too much and you'll be looking for a new partner.
->Dennis<-
The true joy in life is the being used for a purpose recognized by yourself as
a mighty one. -Shaw These are my, but not my employer's, opinions.
Robert Tarrall
In article <4mdql2$h...@cstnews.iac.honeywell.com>,
kod...@bbms.iac.honeywell.com (Dennis Kodimer) writes:
>
>First of all, if the doubles server hits his own partner in the box, in non-p
>hit occured on first serve, 1 serve if on second).
Steve - check the current rules before posting followups like this, please.
Otherwise all you do is confuse the issue. Currently the AARA rules state
it's a fault if the doubles server hits his partner in the service box.
>Second, having the partner over there and serving the ball on his side is lou
>strategy because --
>1) If the ball passes close to feet or ass, it'll be a screen and a re-serve
Not likely to be a screen. Passing close to an opponent is not an automatic
screen - the receiver's view must be obstructed for it to be a screen. Given
the location of the doubles box it would be extraordinarily difficult for
someone in the doubles box to obstruct the receiver's view of the serve so
much that it's a screen.
>2) He's directly in the path of the logical return of a drive serve
>3) Even if he doesn't hinder the serve return,
> he's stuck against the wall for a moment
>4) Hit him too much and you'll be looking for a new partner.
2-4, however, I definitely agree with. :-)
-Robert.-
Otis
Dennis Kodimer wrote:
>
> First of all, if the doubles server hits his own partner in the box, in non-pro
> it's a dead ball, not a fault and the server gets to serve again (2 serves if
> hit occured on first serve, 1 serve if on second).
Not true at all, Dennis. The current rules state that hitting your partner with the
serve is a fault if your partner is in the box, and a half-out if he is out of the box.
Tim
>
> Second, having the partner over there and serving the ball on his side is lousy
> strategy because --
> 1) If the ball passes close to feet or ass, it'll be a screen and a re-serve
> 2) He's directly in the path of the logical return of a drive serve
> 3) Even if he doesn't hinder the serve return,
> he's stuck against the wall for a moment
> 4) Hit him too much and you'll be looking for a new partner
>
Madman
kod...@bbms.iac.honeywell.com (Dennis Kodimer) wrote:
>Luke Cougheysays:
>>Bruce Dillingham wrote:
>>> >When the server is serving, they have a choice of where to serve the ball.
>>> >If they choose to hit their own partner on the serve, a fault is a minimal
>>> >penalty. I think that a loss of serve should be given, as it would be if
>>> >the server were to hit themself.
>First of all, if the doubles server hits his own partner in the box, in non-pro
>it's a dead ball, not a fault and the server gets to serve again (2 serves if
>hit occured on first serve, 1 serve if on second).
Where do you play racquetball? In doubles, if you hit you partner on
the first serve and the serve would have otherwise been good it IS a
fault serve and results in a "second" serve. This is a rule change
this year. Play many tournaments??
>Second, having the partner over there and serving the ball on his side is lousy
>strategy because -
Not True!!!
>1) If the ball passes close to feet or ass, it'll be a screen and a re-serve
How can this happen? The non serving partner must stand with his back
to the wall!
>2) He's directly in the path of the logical return of a drive serve
This is not necessarily true. What if the non serving partner was in
the right box and the server served a drive serve from the right of
center (close to his partner) wouldn't a good offensive return be a
cross court shot? I think so. Also, maybe the weaker of the two
opponents is on that side of the court.
>3) Even if he doesn't hinder the serve return,
> he's stuck against the wall for a moment
>4) Hit him too much and you'll be looking for a new partner.
I don't dissagree with this especially since my serve has been clocked
at 120+ MPH.
sparkie
Dennis Kodimer
In article <4mjnds$m...@ns2.ptd.net>, spa...@prolog.net (Madman) says:
*kod...@bbms.iac.honeywell.com (Dennis Kodimer) wrote:
*>Luke Cougheysays:
*>>Bruce Dillingham wrote:
*>>> >When the server is serving, they have a choice of where to serve the ball.
*>>> >If they choose to hit their own partner on the serve, a fault is a minimal
*>>> >penalty. I think that a loss of serve should be given, as it would be if
*>>> >the server were to hit themself.
*>First of all, if the doubles server hits his own partner in the box, in non-pro
*>it's a dead ball, not a fault and the server gets to serve again (2 serves if
*>hit occured on first serve, 1 serve if on second).
*Where do you play racquetball?
Scottsdale / Phoenix / Tucson Where do you play?
*In doubles, if you hit you partner on
*the first serve and the serve would have otherwise been good it IS a
*fault serve and results in a "second" serve. This is a rule change
*this year. Play many tournaments??
As a matter of fact yes, I do - however I admit they are local T's.
So - I/we need to come up to modern times, huh? OK. Can you quote the rule, thank you?
*>Second, having the partner over there and serving the ball on his side is lousy
*>strategy because -
*Not True!!!
*>1) If the ball passes close to feet or ass, it'll be a screen and a re-serve
*How can this happen? The non serving partner must stand with his back
*to the wall!
With back to wall, the ball can pass by feet or between legs & wall
- generally begging a partner hit at least and reducing the odds for a pinch.
*>2) He's directly in the path of the logical return of a drive serve
*This is not necessarily true. What if the non serving partner was in
*the right box and the server served a drive serve from the right of
*center (close to his partner) wouldn't a good offensive return be a
*cross court shot? I think so. Also, maybe the weaker of the two
*opponents is on that side of the court.
Well,I agree that it may make some strategy. Ultimately, it's the accuracy
that counts and if you got that, you won't be hitting partner anyway.
Point #3 is the real crux of where to put Mr pardner...
*>3) Even if he doesn't hinder the serve return,
*> he's stuck against the wall for a moment
He's actually a good target for a drive return if it's done fast enough -
he's always jammed in a bad position until he gets away from the wall.
*>4) Hit him too much and you'll be looking for a new partner.
*I don't dissagree with this especially since my serve has been clocked
*at 120+ MPH.
Mr. Sparkie - impressive, but does it WIN?
Madman
kod...@bbms.iac.honeywell.com (Dennis Kodimer) wrote:
>In article <4mjnds$m...@ns2.ptd.net>, spa...@prolog.net (Madman) says:
>*kod...@bbms.iac.honeywell.com (Dennis Kodimer) wrote:
>*>Luke Cougheysays:
>*>>Bruce Dillingham wrote:
>*>>> >When the server is serving, they have a choice of where to serve the ball.
>*>>> >If they choose to hit their own partner on the serve, a fault is a minimal
>*>>> >penalty. I think that a loss of serve should be given, as it would be if
>*>>> >the server were to hit themself.
>*>First of all, if the doubles server hits his own partner in the box, in non-pro
>*>it's a dead ball, not a fault and the server gets to serve again (2 serves if
>*>hit occured on first serve, 1 serve if on second).
>*Where do you play racquetball?
>Scottsdale / Phoenix / Tucson Where do you play?
I play in the Lehigh Valley, Pa. Is racquetball popular out there in
sunny Arizona? Do the tournaments get large draws?? Tournament draws
here are much smaller than they used to be. I remember draws of 300+.
We had to use both clubs (28 courts) up until Sunday. Now we are lucky
to get 100 entrants.
>*In doubles, if you hit you partner on
>*the first serve and the serve would have otherwise been good it IS a
>*fault serve and results in a "second" serve. This is a rule change
>*this year. Play many tournaments??
>As a matter of fact yes, I do - however I admit they are local T's.
>So - I/we need to come up to modern times, huh? OK. Can you quote the rule, thank you?
You are not the only tournament player to not be familiar with this
rule. I played at the Pro-Am in Pittsburg this past Febuary and while
refereing a doubles match I called a "half out" when the first server
hit his patner on the second serve. He looked at me like I was from
outer space. I explained it was a new rule this year. I don't have my
rule book handy, it's at the club, so I cannot quote the rule, sorry.
>*>Second, having the partner over there and serving the ball on his side is lousy
>*>strategy because -
>*Not True!!!
>*>1) If the ball passes close to feet or ass, it'll be a screen and a re-serve
>*How can this happen? The non serving partner must stand with his back
>*to the wall!
>With back to wall, the ball can pass by feet or between legs & wall
> - generally begging a partner hit at least and reducing the odds for a pinch.
>*>2) He's directly in the path of the logical return of a drive serve
>*This is not necessarily true. What if the non serving partner was in
>*the right box and the server served a drive serve from the right of
>*center (close to his partner) wouldn't a good offensive return be a
>*cross court shot? I think so. Also, maybe the weaker of the two
>*opponents is on that side of the court.
>Well,I agree that it may make some strategy. Ultimately, it's the accuracy
>that counts and if you got that, you won't be hitting partner anyway.
True! I rarely hit my partner on a drive serve to his side but I don't
use that serve often. I prefer to lob or Z to his side. In fact, in
Pittsburg, we had won the first game in the quarters and were losing
the second. I totally changed my strategy and began lob serving to my
partner's side. We scored 7 straight points to win the match. I play
the backhand side. I'm right handed.
>Point #3 is the real crux of where to put Mr pardner...
>*>3) Even if he doesn't hinder the serve return,
>*> he's stuck against the wall for a moment
>He's actually a good target for a drive return if it's done fast enough -
>he's always jammed in a bad position until he gets away from the wall.
>*>4) Hit him too much and you'll be looking for a new partner.
>*I don't dissagree with this especially since my serve has been clocked
>*at 120+ MPH.
>Mr. Sparkie - impressive, but does it WIN?
Since you asked I'll toot my own horn. Actually, yes, it does WIN!! My
partner and I have been playing together for 4 years and have many
tournament wins to our credit. We win every doubles league at our
club. Because we won so much the last league we were in we had to give
every team a 5 point handycap. We did not win as many games but we
still took 1st place
As Cliff Swain says: "hit it low!!"
sparkie
Robert Tarrall
In article <4n0jk8$2...@cstnews.iac.honeywell.com>,
kod...@bbms.iac.honeywell.com (Dennis Kodimer) writes:
>*In doubles, if you hit you partner on
>*the first serve and the serve would have otherwise been good it IS a
>*fault serve and results in a "second" serve. This is a rule change
> rule, thank you?
From the 95-96 AARA rules:
4.10 Fault serves
(k) Ball hits partner. A served ball that hits the doubles partner
while in the doubles box results in a fault serve.
4.11 Out serves
(j)
Ball hits partner. A served ball that hits the doubles partner
while outside the doubles box results in a loss of serve.
-Robert.-