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Hussman

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Oct 11, 2002, 11:07:48 PM10/11/02
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...but I swear upgrading from a $19 cheapo racquet to a quality racquet
(discounted to 90$ by clearance) has improved my game considerably after I
got used to it. I have a lot more power, and much better control with all
different shots. B-league watch out! I'm a comin' ta getcha...

Larry Yerton

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Oct 12, 2002, 11:48:31 AM10/12/02
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Don't let anyone tell you your equipment doesn't make a difference. Of
course there's no substitute for time spent on the court but equipment can
make a huge difference, and don't just think about the racquet as a whole,
break it down and be concerned about the weight, balance, grip and strings.
Keep "all" your equipment (shoes, gloves, eyewear...etc)maintained, that
will take a lot of factors out of the equation of becoming a better player.
After that all you have to do is practice, practice and of course more
practice. Before too long the "A" league will need to watch out.
L.Y.

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Steve

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Oct 12, 2002, 3:59:57 PM10/12/02
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A couple of of the big differences impacting the game created by the new
racquets:

1. Older players can be competitive with much younger players. We can now hit
harder than ANYONE can retrieve the ball.
(Some decry this as a bad thing, but let's not get into that here...I'm just
mentioning the change, not commenting on its merit of lack thereof!). It's
harder to beat an accomplished player by out-enduring them; if they have strong
shots, you don;t get the chance.

2. EVERYONE can hit with power now. Many C players hit the ball as HARD as A
and Open players (not as well, but as hard). By-product: I see C players with
more "tatoos" in the loclker room! When they hit one another (and they do so a
lot more often than upper-level players), they seem to hit one another harder.
:-)


SEFSTRAT
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band webpage: www.timebanditsrock.com

Jackie

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Oct 12, 2002, 7:52:49 PM10/12/02
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"Hussman" <dfhu...@attbinospan.com> wrote in message news:<8mMp9.9441$Fz.2...@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>...

I remember my first racquet. I bought it at Gart Brothers (had cliffs
picture on it..it must be good!) for $20.00 for my racquetball class.
After the first week I noticed that the frame was bent. I continued
using it, and then when the instructor asked me to be on the
collegiate team, and I was practicing more, he looked at my racquet
and laughed at me. He gave me a different one, that wasn't bent, and I
played horrible for the next couple of weeks, but then I got a lot
better. Point?....I agree with you! :)

Jackie

Jordan Kahn

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Oct 12, 2002, 8:33:07 PM10/12/02
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When I first began playing racquetball, I asked one of the club pros at the
club I worked at what was the best racquet?

This was at a time just after Ektelon began marketing new frames and while
Leach was the big plastic racquet company.

The pro I asked was on the women's pro tour, and was a very good instructor.
She even had a few racquetball books!

When I asked her what the best racquet was, she said that it depended on the
type of player, since racquets may have different results for different
players, such as weight and balance.

I was told that changing the weight or balance could eventually be better, but
there would be a time period needed to adjust for the difference.

When I asked her what she thought was the best racquet for her, she grinned at
said the racquet with the sponsor willing to pay her the most money. She said
she could adapt and learn to play with almost any racquet, if the money was
right.

Let this be a lesson for all those "weekend warriors" and wannabe pros (who are
"C" level).

The best selling racquet doesn't mean it is the best racquet.

The racquet used by the best player doesn't mean it is the best racquet.

The most expensive racquet doesn't mean it's the best racquet.

Be skeptical about "reviews" touting how great racquets are on the Internet,
especially from posts on this newsgroup. Many of these "reviews" are from
"sponsored" players from that racquet company.

The "BEST" racquet is the racquet that you can play the best with.

If it was just the racquet and not the player, wouldn't it mean all the players
would play alike and "tie" when they used the same racquet?

Trust me, it's not the racquet!

It's the "right" racquet for you that makes the difference.

Jordan
PS. More expensive racquets made from better materials will usually give you
more power. But you need to adjust your timing to take advantage of the power
if the weight and balance is different than you last racquet. Don't expect more
than 10% more power, it really isn't that much unless you can really hit the
ball hard.

Ronald Ipock

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Oct 13, 2002, 1:22:39 AM10/13/02
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On Sat, 12 Oct 2002 15:48:31 GMT, "Larry Yerton" <Lye...@cox.net>
wrote:

>Don't let anyone tell you your equipment doesn't make a difference. Of
>course there's no substitute for time spent on the court but equipment can
>make a huge difference, and don't just think about the racquet as a whole,
>break it down and be concerned about the weight, balance, grip and strings.
>Keep "all" your equipment (shoes, gloves, eyewear...etc)maintained, that
>will take a lot of factors out of the equation of becoming a better player.
>After that all you have to do is practice, practice and of course more
>practice. Before too long the "A" league will need to watch out.
>L.Y.
>

This is a refreshing alternative to all the recent racquetball
politics threads. Can we hear what everyone uses? I'll start:

racquet: I have two Ektelon Deliverance Triple Threats (although I'm
probably not even a single threat with them) strung with Technefiber
17g strings

shoe: nextup

glove: neumann

balls: green Penn and blue Ektelon

bag: blue ProKennex

socks: 100% wool wigwams

sweat bands: plain unmarked white ones

glasses: ektelon

clothes: thick sweatshirt (I'm too fat to look good in those sporty
shirts)

racquetball snack: dehydrated sour cherries


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Zoey

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Oct 13, 2002, 9:34:15 AM10/13/02
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shoe: NextUp
glove: whatever is on ebay this month (I'm cheap)
ball: gotta go green
grip: vision
stick: new e-force 170

racquetball snacks: Corona in the summer and Guiness in the winter.

Larry Yerton

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Oct 13, 2002, 12:24:00 PM10/13/02
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Racquet: Head i.x 160

Strings: Mains: Forten new age 18g Kevlar @ 21lbs
Crosses: Gamma synthetic gut 17g @ 28lbs

Shoe: Head ad.apt_700 Low

Glove: Head Comfortac

Balls: Penn Blue or Green (prefer Blue)

Bag: Head Team

Socks: Thorlos

Sweat bands: Bandanas (only during heated matches)

Glasses: Head Vision System

Clothes: Head Team

Racquetball snack: Balance bars and lots of water

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Zoey

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Oct 13, 2002, 5:12:13 PM10/13/02
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geesh getting into the details now....OK I too like the kelvar going half
way.

Strings:
Mains: Forten 18g Kevlar @ 281lbs
Crosses: SuperKill II 17g @ 30lbs

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Kevin Young

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Oct 13, 2002, 9:02:33 PM10/13/02
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"Larry Yerton" <Lye...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> Racquet: Head i.x 160
>
> Strings: Mains: Forten new age 18g Kevlar @ 21lbs
> Crosses: Gamma synthetic gut 17g @ 28lbs

Larry,
21 lbs on the mains? Knowing you string yourself, I'm sure you've tried
about every combination. Have you ever gone that loose with another
racquet? I know nothing of the recent Head line....
Thanks,
-Kevin-
28 lbs. on the mains and 32 lbs. on the crosses
Wilson Triad 180


Zoey

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Oct 13, 2002, 10:58:16 PM10/13/02
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Anyone remember the HEAD Professional (it was red and you could bend it!)
Or the DP Leach 3000 (i think that was the number, it was blue/black/white)
then came the CBK....

ahhh, the good ol'days.


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Larry Yerton

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Oct 13, 2002, 11:49:44 PM10/13/02
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Hey Kevin how's it going? I know 21lbs seems low but with Kevlar you need to
drop the tension quite a bit from your desired overall string bed tension.
If I were to let you feel the racquet or "palm-test" it you'd probably guess
it was about 32lbs. It feels much stiffer than the actual tension. Kevlar
has very little elasticity, hence the reason for the soft Gamma crosses.
Also finding the proper tension can be tricky 2lbs +/- can make a big
difference in the way the racquet feels. Last year with the Head i.165 I was
using just Gamma Synthetic Gut 17 @ 29lbs. I used to string my Wilson
Hyper180 @32lbs and before that with my Head 185ti I strung it at 34lbs.
What I'm finding (at least for my game) in recent years as my racquet mass
has declined I've had to also drop my tension to maintain the same "load-up"
and release that over the years I've become accustom to. What's more with
these new Head frames with the electronic fibers the racquet is very stiff
and becomes even stiffer upon ball impact. I think if I were to put that
combination in a heavier frame or one with more flex you'd probably need to
increase the tension a bit. The reason I switched to Kevlar in the mains
recently was because I seem to be getting a more consistent release on the
ball as well as a more consistent feel throughout the life of the strings.
Although so far I'm playing great and have had no problems I'm worried that
over time this combination will increase the stress to my arm and I may have
to switch back.

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Ronald Ipock

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Oct 14, 2002, 12:09:44 AM10/14/02
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On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 16:24:00 GMT, "Larry Yerton" <Lye...@cox.net>
wrote:

>Racquet: Head i.x 160


>
>Strings: Mains: Forten new age 18g Kevlar @ 21lbs
> Crosses: Gamma synthetic gut 17g @ 28lbs
>

Larry,

you sound like you know what you're about when it comes to stringing.
I wanted to set up one of my racquets for power and the other for
accuracy--just to play around. What's your suggestion for string
diameter and poundage for each configuration?

Larry Yerton

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Oct 14, 2002, 12:50:58 AM10/14/02
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Ronald, power and control go hand in hand. I'll e-mail you a copy of an
article I wrote explaining my perspective on these two factors. As far as
recommendations for you and your game that's very tuff for me to do without
knowing your style of game as well as your specific needs and expectations.
I think a good stringer needs to take all factors into consideration and
keep consistent communication with each player that he strings for. That way
he's able to taylor each string job to each player. Read the article and get
back to me. From there I'll be able to give you some basic suggestions.
Thanks for asking.
Larry Yerton

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Dave

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Oct 14, 2002, 1:26:17 PM10/14/02
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"Zoey" <Zo...@thedoghouse.com> wrote in message news:<cpqq9.64573 Anyone remember the HEAD Professional (it was red and you could bend it!)

> Or the DP Leach 3000 (i think that was the number, it was blue/black/white)
> then came the CBK....
>
> ahhh, the good ol'days.
> I got used to it. I have a lot more power, and much better control with
> all
> different shots. B-league watch out! I'm a comin' ta getcha...
> > I remember my first racquet. I bought it at Gart Brothers (had cliffs
> > picture on it..it must be good!) for $20.00 for my racquetball class.
> > After the first week I noticed that the frame was bent. I continued
> > using it, and then when the instructor asked me to be on the
> > collegiate team, and I was practicing more, he looked at my racquet
> > and laughed at me. He gave me a different one, that wasn't bent, and I
> > played horrible for the next couple of weeks, but then I got a lot
> > better. Point?....I agree with you! :)
> >
> > Jackie

LOL!! I still own some of my "racquet history":

1. some aluminum frame thing with red and white strings that bent
regularly when I ran into walls (circa '84)
2. Ektelon quantus wow my first power/control racquet. well
compared to #1 anyway.
3. Ektelon Strobe holy cow more power
<long break here>
4. Ektelon power ring ultralite (prult) first: how do actually get
power with something this light? then later: sweet. then later:
frame cracked
5. Ektelon Triple threat warrior more power than the prult and no
frame cracks.
6. Ektelon more attitude: oh momma. still getting used to the feel
but so far it's awesome. air filled grip thing is weird but seems to
help.

Sidenote: Obviously there's a lot of Ektelon brand history here so
I'm partial but recently I demo'd every manufacturer's top of the line
and played for a weekend with all of them. All great racquets with
radically different qualities (duh). The more attitude and the head
160i were in a dead heat, the more attitude was just available first.

See you,

Dave

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