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Mountain Mike^^

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Jun 12, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/12/00
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Or the rebound off the OB, whatever. I'm having a bit of difficulty
understanding what it *supposed* to happen. I've read 3 different theories
in 3 different books.
IN "99 Critical Shots", Ray Martin gives a technique for carom shots. Same
principle as determining the CB path, I think. He says to draw an imaginary
line from the ball you want to pocket and the OB you must hit first. Aim the
*center* of the CB at this point and you make the carom. Now, as you know,
this angle is less than any 90* tangent line, hence my question. Most here
probably don't shoot at stun speed in order to control the cue ball's path.
So what *do* you use? something less? Or do you use your regular speed and
adjust from *your* normal CB deflection? does anyone actually use Martin's
method for caroms? I've also read in "The Science of...." that CB deflection
is largely determined from the angle of the shot. At ormal speed the
difference in angle is small whether you use draw or follow for angles over,
say 50*. For small angles (<20*), this difference is huge. I guess what I'm
looking for is some kind of rule of thumb for all the different
possibilities in a given shot. Anyone? MM^^

Dan Capestrain

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Jun 13, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/13/00
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Mike,

Perhaps I am the exception, I have always been able to hit a dead stop shot
nearly everytime, from nearly any distance, so for me it is natural to use
Ray Martin's system and it proves to be very accurate. Ray's system provides
an aiming point using the tangent line from the OB you first hit to the ball
you want to pocket. If you try this system using a "normal" speed, the
problem becomes the inability to consistently judge the amount of forward
roll the CB picks up, which will increase as the distance between the CB and
the ball you must hit first increases. Being able to stop the CB
consistently is the only way Ray Martin's system will work.

Hope the explanation helps.

Dan C


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George McBane

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Jun 14, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/14/00
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On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:53:56 -0700, "Mountain Mike^^" <bodfi...@freewwweb.com> wrote:


>IN "99 Critical Shots", Ray Martin gives a technique for carom shots. Same
>principle as determining the CB path, I think. He says to draw an imaginary
>line from the ball you want to pocket and the OB you must hit first. Aim the
>*center* of the CB at this point and you make the carom. Now, as you know,
>this angle is less than any 90* tangent line, hence my question. Most here
>probably don't shoot at stun speed in order to control the cue ball's path.
>So what *do* you use? something less? Or do you use your regular speed and
>adjust from *your* normal CB deflection? does anyone actually use Martin's
>method for caroms? I've also read in "The Science of...." that CB deflection
>is largely determined from the angle of the shot. At ormal speed the
>difference in angle is small whether you use draw or follow for angles over,
>say 50*. For small angles (<20*), this difference is huge. I guess what I'm
>looking for is some kind of rule of thumb for all the different
>possibilities in a given shot. Anyone? MM^^
>

Mike,

I remember being quite puzzled by the system in Martin's book.
It didn't seem to correspond to stun-shot caroms. I didn't spend
a lot of time trying to figure it out.

What do I do? For caroms where the pocketable OB and the guiding
OB are close together (say a foot or less), I always use stun
shots, lined up with the "ghost ball" idea. If the distance from
one OB to the other is longer, and the pocketable OB is close to
the pocket, I use follow caroms (played entirely by feel) for
small deflections and stun-shot caroms for more than 40 degrees or so.

-George
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