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wolfagain
Nov 10, 2012, 1:01:04 PM11/10/12
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by Edward Gibbon a renowned World Historian...
"In the end more than they wanted Freedom, they wanted Security.
When the Athenians finally wanted not to give to Society but for
Society to give to them, then the Freedom they wished for was the
freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."
"In the end more than they wanted Freedom, they wanted Security.
When the Athenians finally wanted not to give to Society but for
Society to give to them, then the Freedom they wished for was the
freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."
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Nov 10, 2012, 2:03:41 PM11/10/12
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On Nov 10, 12:53 pm, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> Wow, that really slaps the shit out of those top 10% who own 70% of
> ALL American wealth----and they want to give less, and less and less
> and never give anything in return.
They EARNED IT!!! They're the ones who didn't hang out one the streets
selling dope, producing bastards like mongrels for the gov the
support...and they ALSO are the ones who started corporations that
produced JOBS...they BUILT AMERICA!...now the a for noted vermin want
to share THEIR wealth!
> ALL American wealth----and they want to give less, and less and less
> and never give anything in return.
They EARNED IT!!! They're the ones who didn't hang out one the streets
selling dope, producing bastards like mongrels for the gov the
support...and they ALSO are the ones who started corporations that
produced JOBS...they BUILT AMERICA!...now the a for noted vermin want
to share THEIR wealth!
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Bville
Nov 10, 2012, 5:47:05 PM11/10/12
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>> Wow, that really slaps the shit out of those top 10% who own 70% of
>> ALL American wealth----and they want to give less, and less and less
>> and never give anything in return.
>
> They EARNED IT!!! They're the ones who didn't hang out one the streets
> selling dope, producing bastards like mongrels for the gov the
> support...and they ALSO are the ones who started corporations that
> produced JOBS...they BUILT AMERICA!...now the a for noted vermin want
> to share THEIR wealth!
"Some men rob you with a six-gun. Some with a fountain pen." Woody Guthrie
>> ALL American wealth----and they want to give less, and less and less
>> and never give anything in return.
>
> They EARNED IT!!! They're the ones who didn't hang out one the streets
> selling dope, producing bastards like mongrels for the gov the
> support...and they ALSO are the ones who started corporations that
> produced JOBS...they BUILT AMERICA!...now the a for noted vermin want
> to share THEIR wealth!
wolfagain
Nov 10, 2012, 8:07:01 PM11/10/12
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Singer....who was not Man enough to do anything else but sing folk
songs for OTHERS much like him...COWARDS!!! Even THEN I chose MEN of
GRIT and VALOR to celebrate.
Your smrat ®
Nov 10, 2012, 9:23:27 PM11/10/12
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On Nov 10, 1:53 pm, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> Wow, that really slaps the shit out of those top 10% who own 70% of
> ALL American wealth----and they want to give less, and less and less
> and never give anything in return.
The top 10 percent of earners pay 70 percent of federal income tax
> Wow, that really slaps the shit out of those top 10% who own 70% of
> ALL American wealth----and they want to give less, and less and less
> and never give anything in return.
shitbrain.
cloud dreamer
Nov 10, 2012, 9:31:20 PM11/10/12
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people are unable to get basic health care or struggle to pay rent or
buy food, it's obscene that people can live in utter luxury, own
multiple mansions, boats, planes etc.
For a country that considers that it was founded on Christian ideals,
you're forgetting some of the most basic tenants of Christianity. Heck,
if Americans were at the site of the loaves and fishes fairy tale, they
would have hoarded all their food and not given a crumb to the starving
sitting next to them.
Hypocrites.
..
cloud dreamer
Nov 10, 2012, 9:31:53 PM11/10/12
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paid taxes in years.
..
FirstPost
Nov 10, 2012, 10:38:14 PM11/10/12
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On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 23:01:20 -0330, cloud dreamer
<red...@reuse.andrecycle.com> wrote:
Spoken like a true loser that just wants to blame everyone else for
their own miserable failings in life.
You don't know the first thing about the basic tenants of
Christianity, BTW.
And just how do you know that all of the wealthy in the US are
Christians at all?
As usual you present a stupid assed argument based on a stupid assed
premise.
No matter how much you dumb fuck socialists rape the wealthy it won't
put another red cent in your little class envying pockets.
You're not a failure because someone else is successful.
You're a failure because you are worthless and lazy to begin with.
<red...@reuse.andrecycle.com> wrote:
their own miserable failings in life.
You don't know the first thing about the basic tenants of
Christianity, BTW.
And just how do you know that all of the wealthy in the US are
Christians at all?
As usual you present a stupid assed argument based on a stupid assed
premise.
No matter how much you dumb fuck socialists rape the wealthy it won't
put another red cent in your little class envying pockets.
You're not a failure because someone else is successful.
You're a failure because you are worthless and lazy to begin with.
Dano
Nov 11, 2012, 2:00:28 AM11/11/12
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Dano
Nov 11, 2012, 2:02:29 AM11/11/12
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As usual. You are lying. No surprise there. That's what lying scumbags
do...scumbag.
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As usual. You are lying. No surprise there. That's what lying scumbags
do...scumbag.
wolfagain
Nov 11, 2012, 6:07:29 AM11/11/12
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On Nov 10, 8:31 pm, cloud dreamer <red...@reuse.andrecycle.com> wrote:
DUMB ASS! quote from my bible "Heaven helps those who help themselves"
and! why use the bible that you don't believe in to support giving the
treasures of those who EARNED same to those who have not earned
anything...except scorn for being society LOSERS...Vermin.
and! why use the bible that you don't believe in to support giving the
treasures of those who EARNED same to those who have not earned
anything...except scorn for being society LOSERS...Vermin.
wolfagain
Nov 11, 2012, 6:09:59 AM11/11/12
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On Nov 10, 8:31 pm, cloud dreamer <red...@reuse.andrecycle.com> wrote:
gave 31 Million to charity...how much did you give...to the Street
Vermin's?
wolfagain
Nov 11, 2012, 6:11:18 AM11/11/12
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On Nov 10, 9:38 pm, FirstPost <AIOE_posters_are_all_li...@AIOE.org>
wrote:
Well said...I couldn't have done better
wrote:
suzeeq
Nov 11, 2012, 9:17:04 AM11/11/12
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of them don't pay as much tax as the people working for them.
cloud dreamer
Nov 11, 2012, 9:18:58 AM11/11/12
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loophole to pay no tax so that's why he didn't want his tax returns
opened up. He still had time to make changes for the ones he opened up,
but couldn't go back farther to make it look like he paid taxes.
..
Dano
Nov 11, 2012, 11:54:30 AM11/11/12
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Of course. THAT is what these lying creeps always do. But even then...they
still must lie. Actually...the top 10% "earners" pay around 11%. And the
investment returns are only taxed at 15%...ask Mitt about that. It's why he
paid so little. If you think those top earners don't have much investment
gain as well as their straight wage earnings...well I have some desert
investment property you might be interested in.
The point is...these people have absolutely benefited the most by living in
this country. They have the wherewithal to leave if they don't like it.
Some do...the depth of their so-called "patriotism" being as shallow as
their compassion for their fellow man. Let 'em go. But if they wish to
stay...they need to pay back to the society they have benefited from. Next
they will try to say they have had NO impact in writing laws that benefit
whatever industry by which they made their fortunes...or their forefathers
made FOR THEM as is often the case. I suppose all those lobbyist payments
were made for the good of the country...not to enrich them even more.
Believe that? Allow me to introduce you to those fine humanitarians Sheldon
Adelson and the Koch brothers.
What is really confounding to me...is many, if not most of these folks just
aren't too smart. Without a healthy, thriving, and legitimate middle
class...AKA CONSUMERS...our economy will continue to struggle...which in the
long run endangers their own vast wealth. I know they're content to sell to
the Chinese too...but they aren't doing well at that...as they tend to
simply steal other folks tech and make it their own.
Of course. THAT is what these lying creeps always do. But even then...they
still must lie. Actually...the top 10% "earners" pay around 11%. And the
investment returns are only taxed at 15%...ask Mitt about that. It's why he
paid so little. If you think those top earners don't have much investment
gain as well as their straight wage earnings...well I have some desert
investment property you might be interested in.
The point is...these people have absolutely benefited the most by living in
this country. They have the wherewithal to leave if they don't like it.
Some do...the depth of their so-called "patriotism" being as shallow as
their compassion for their fellow man. Let 'em go. But if they wish to
stay...they need to pay back to the society they have benefited from. Next
they will try to say they have had NO impact in writing laws that benefit
whatever industry by which they made their fortunes...or their forefathers
made FOR THEM as is often the case. I suppose all those lobbyist payments
were made for the good of the country...not to enrich them even more.
Believe that? Allow me to introduce you to those fine humanitarians Sheldon
Adelson and the Koch brothers.
What is really confounding to me...is many, if not most of these folks just
aren't too smart. Without a healthy, thriving, and legitimate middle
class...AKA CONSUMERS...our economy will continue to struggle...which in the
long run endangers their own vast wealth. I know they're content to sell to
the Chinese too...but they aren't doing well at that...as they tend to
simply steal other folks tech and make it their own.
suzeeq
Nov 11, 2012, 12:16:01 PM11/11/12
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free medical care'. By a factor of thousands of dollars.
< snip a little>
> What is really confounding to me...is many, if not most of these folks just
> aren't too smart. Without a healthy, thriving, and legitimate middle
> class...AKA CONSUMERS...our economy will continue to struggle...which in the
> long run endangers their own vast wealth. I know they're content to sell to
> the Chinese too...but they aren't doing well at that...as they tend to
> simply steal other folks tech and make it their own.
services that make up our economy. The poor won't be able to, there's
not enough rich people to purchase the more every day items and
services. They buy more luxury goods which isn't a very high percentage
of the production output.
Dano
Nov 11, 2012, 12:40:26 PM11/11/12
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<snip>
True, crush the middle class and who's going to be buying the goods and
services that make up our economy. The poor won't be able to, there's
not enough rich people to purchase the more every day items and
services. They buy more luxury goods which isn't a very high percentage
of the production output.
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Wait till us "boomers" are all retired and most college grads are too
saddled with college loan debt to buy homes and/or cars.
Think the economy is bad now?
On the bright side...the wealthy will have the best educated domestic help
in history.
<snip>
True, crush the middle class and who's going to be buying the goods and
services that make up our economy. The poor won't be able to, there's
not enough rich people to purchase the more every day items and
services. They buy more luxury goods which isn't a very high percentage
of the production output.
Wait till us "boomers" are all retired and most college grads are too
saddled with college loan debt to buy homes and/or cars.
Think the economy is bad now?
On the bright side...the wealthy will have the best educated domestic help
in history.
suzeeq
Nov 11, 2012, 12:42:45 PM11/11/12
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good jobs and still can't afford to buy a house in the area they grew up
in.
Your smrat ®
Nov 11, 2012, 1:13:21 PM11/11/12
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On Nov 11, 2:02 am, "Dano" <janeandd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Your smrat " wrote in messagenews:4ad8f4ae-2775-451f...@k21g2000vbj.googlegroups.com...
Argue with the Congressional Budget Office retard
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2Wzr4_cemD5OTJKbWlpX01SeVU/edit?pli=1
> "Your smrat " wrote in messagenews:4ad8f4ae-2775-451f...@k21g2000vbj.googlegroups.com...
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Your smrat ®
Nov 11, 2012, 1:17:59 PM11/11/12
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On Nov 10, 9:31 pm, cloud dreamer <red...@reuse.andrecycle.com> wrote:
I didn't say anything about right or wrong. See, the OP said they
"never give anything" whereas in reality they're responsible for 70
percent of revenues. Seventy percent is much higher than nothing. So
he was wrong and I helpfully pointed that out. And then you chimed in
with a pointless non sequitur about loaves and fishes, I assume
because you're an imbecile.
"never give anything" whereas in reality they're responsible for 70
percent of revenues. Seventy percent is much higher than nothing. So
he was wrong and I helpfully pointed that out. And then you chimed in
with a pointless non sequitur about loaves and fishes, I assume
because you're an imbecile.
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wolfagain
Nov 11, 2012, 3:11:42 PM11/11/12
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On Nov 11, 1:59 pm, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
>
> Rumney was born into a millionaire's family---had to earn nothing. He
> didn't have to establish credit, build a financial infrastructure---he
> merely jumped into the seat of a means of transportation already
> bought for him and never sweated a bit.
>
> How did Richard Mellon Scaife (funded the Clinton smears) "earn his
> money? He inherited $3 Billion upon turning 18. No work involved
> there.
>
> 70% of all that American wealth is owned by less than 250 families in
> America.
>
> 90% of them are greedy, sleazy assholes.
>
> The other 10% are the Kennedy's, Gates, etc who are willing to pay a
> fair share.
Obviously another e-con major here working their doctorate...how's you
goona deal with those jobs cuts at micky-d's????
> On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 11:03:41 -0800 (PST), wolfagain <w...@provide.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >> Wow, that really slaps the shit out of those top 10% who own 70% of
> >> ALL American wealth----and they want to give less, and less and less
> >> and never give anything in return.
>
> >They EARNED IT!!!
>
> They did?
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >> Wow, that really slaps the shit out of those top 10% who own 70% of
> >> ALL American wealth----and they want to give less, and less and less
> >> and never give anything in return.
>
> >They EARNED IT!!!
>
>
> Rumney was born into a millionaire's family---had to earn nothing. He
> didn't have to establish credit, build a financial infrastructure---he
> merely jumped into the seat of a means of transportation already
> bought for him and never sweated a bit.
>
> How did Richard Mellon Scaife (funded the Clinton smears) "earn his
> money? He inherited $3 Billion upon turning 18. No work involved
> there.
>
> 70% of all that American wealth is owned by less than 250 families in
> America.
>
> 90% of them are greedy, sleazy assholes.
>
> The other 10% are the Kennedy's, Gates, etc who are willing to pay a
> fair share.
Obviously another e-con major here working their doctorate...how's you
goona deal with those jobs cuts at micky-d's????
Dano
Nov 11, 2012, 5:19:31 PM11/11/12
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I doubt you even understand those stats creep.
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Your smrat ®
Nov 11, 2012, 9:09:59 PM11/11/12
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On Nov 11, 5:19 pm, "Dano" <janeandd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Your smrat " wrote in messagenews:8c876636-5b7f-42bf...@b12g2000vbg.googlegroups.com...
> I doubt you even understand those stats -
Capitualtion noted shitbrain
> "Your smrat " wrote in messagenews:8c876636-5b7f-42bf...@b12g2000vbg.googlegroups.com...
Capitualtion noted shitbrain
Your smrat ®
Nov 12, 2012, 6:36:14 AM11/12/12
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On Nov 11, 2:59 pm, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> How did Richard Mellon Scaife (funded the Clinton smears) "earn his
> money?
[....]
> How did Richard Mellon Scaife (funded the Clinton smears) "earn his
> money?
> The other 10% are the Kennedy's, Gates, etc who are willing to pay a
> fair share.
Joe Kennedy earned his family fortune during prohibition, as a member
of organized crime. As ambassador to the UK Joe Kennedy was a Nazi
sympathizer and an admirer of Hitler who attempted to dissuade
Roosevelt from entering the war, claiming that he was under the
influence of "the Jews." In 1960 Joe Kennedy used his ill gained
fortune and mafia contacts to buy enough votes to get his son elected
president. Joe's progeny were a motley crew of murderers, rapists,
drug addicts and satyrs.
Thus endeth the lesson, shitbrain.
suzeeq
Nov 12, 2012, 11:08:24 AM11/12/12
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Your smrat ®
Nov 12, 2012, 12:08:03 PM11/12/12
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On Nov 12, 11:48 am, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> "Virtue" wasn't the issue.
Really. So when you used the phrase "greedy, sleazy assholes" you
weren't referring to virtue, meaning "conformity to moral and ethical
principles." Are you lying completly out your ass or are you just
stupid.
> Kennedy, Gates, etc are mulitmillionaires but use their power and
> wealth consistent with principles of christian ethics and good social
> goals.
"Christian ethics and good social goals"? I thought virtue wasn't the
issue shitbrain.
If you weren't so retarded I might find it odd that you posit a clan
of gansters, murderers, junkies, and priapists as exemplars of
Christian virtue, shitbrain. But seeing as you are, not so much.
> "Virtue" wasn't the issue.
Really. So when you used the phrase "greedy, sleazy assholes" you
weren't referring to virtue, meaning "conformity to moral and ethical
principles." Are you lying completly out your ass or are you just
stupid.
> Kennedy, Gates, etc are mulitmillionaires but use their power and
> wealth consistent with principles of christian ethics and good social
> goals.
"Christian ethics and good social goals"? I thought virtue wasn't the
issue shitbrain.
If you weren't so retarded I might find it odd that you posit a clan
of gansters, murderers, junkies, and priapists as exemplars of
Christian virtue, shitbrain. But seeing as you are, not so much.
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Your smrat ®
Nov 12, 2012, 3:55:36 PM11/12/12
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On Nov 12, 2:30 pm, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 09:08:03 -0800 (PST), Your smrat
> politicians to only affect their wealth and status---that conforms to
> the "sleaze and greed"
Non sequitur shitbrain. If you're having trouble following along use
your finger and sound out the big words.
> Not for Liberal/progressives. We are the standard of goodness.
Well I don't know about that but you're rapidly setting the gold
standard for refuckingtarded.
> YOU don't have ANY historical evidence of conservatism ever doing
> anything good for america.
The republican party eliminated slavery in the US shitbrain. Reagan
destoyed the Soviet empire shitbrain.
Good god you're stupid. How do you manage to turn on your computer
without breaking a bone?
<remainder hosed>
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 09:08:03 -0800 (PST), Your smrat
>
> <yoursm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 12, 11:48 am, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
>
> >> "Virtue" wasn't the issue.
>
> >Really. So when you used the phrase "greedy, sleazy assholes" you
> >weren't referring to virtue, meaning "conformity to moral and ethical
> >principles." Are you lying completly out your ass or are you just
> >stupid.
>
> When the Scaifes, Kochs, Rumney's make use of their money to buy
> <yoursm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 12, 11:48 am, Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:
>
> >> "Virtue" wasn't the issue.
>
> >Really. So when you used the phrase "greedy, sleazy assholes" you
> >weren't referring to virtue, meaning "conformity to moral and ethical
> >principles." Are you lying completly out your ass or are you just
> >stupid.
>
> politicians to only affect their wealth and status---that conforms to
> the "sleaze and greed"
Non sequitur shitbrain. If you're having trouble following along use
your finger and sound out the big words.
> Not for Liberal/progressives. We are the standard of goodness.
Well I don't know about that but you're rapidly setting the gold
standard for refuckingtarded.
> YOU don't have ANY historical evidence of conservatism ever doing
> anything good for america.
The republican party eliminated slavery in the US shitbrain. Reagan
destoyed the Soviet empire shitbrain.
Good god you're stupid. How do you manage to turn on your computer
without breaking a bone?
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