GO-PEDS ILLEGAL TO SELL IN CALIFORNIA

[phil...@hotmail.com]

I was talking to a shop in California about buying a go-ped and they
told me that it was illegal to sell go-peds and any other scooter in
the state of California. I thought it was bullshit but the more I
looked into it the more real it is. The California Air Resources Board
has determined that all scooter egines do not comply with the emmisions
standards of the state of California. They are going as far as putting
a $500 FINE FOR EVERY GO-PED SOLD. That goes for the manufactures and
for the DEALERS as well. I even called them and they told me they were
sending letters to all the dealers with this info.They wont be able to
until they get a new engine. Holy Shit! Thats alot!This sucks cuz I was
looking to buy a new one soon.
Now I know why go-ped is going to a new engine,the stratofied charge
engine. I new I have heard of that engine before. I was talking to Dan
Stapley 3 or 4 months ago and he had one in his shop for evaluation.He
said the engine put out no power and had a bad lean hesitation to it.
Even though it is a bigger engine it barely puts out 1 hp at a measley
7000 rpm. Here is the site if anyone wants to check out this situation.
http://www.arb.ca.gov/homepage.htm

Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

[rays...@my-deja.com]

if that's true, then everybody better stock up on peds now. I can see
my future, I'll be a go-ped smuggler. I'm gonna buy a Trans Am and a
big semi truck and motor across state lines.

[bigjo...@my-deja.com]

They will have to pry my peds from my cold,dead body before i will give
them up,and even then,i may request to be buried with them!LOL

[casman86]

Everybody's gonna have to import g2ds to put on their peds. I live in
Missouri, but all the dealers are in California and so is the factory.
This is gonna be weird as to what's gonna happen. The aftermarket
companies need to start making ways to make that shitty engine fast and
illegal.

[bigjo...@my-deja.com]

after reading a little bit into the laws,it seems that this will not
apply to two stroke engines modified for
racing.......................hmmm

[pedr...@my-deja.com]

Well on the first item, I dont know how accurate you are Bud, but on the
last item the motor, you are all wet as though Steve Patmont had a motor
on the Saturday ride and the Emmisions were definately Reduced, and the
thing had hourse power like crazy, personally it was faster than a stock
current G-23 with massively increased gas mileage as far as I could it
didnt burn zip in the gas department, and it hauled, as far as regulation
I guess its wait and see, there was a note on small road and off road
engines that said that they weren't going to regulate modified racing
engines ( a race motor on every ped ?) in the small motor department,
although you had to call in I guess for the Zenoha report not posted on
the web, any how Dude don't panic before there is a final decision ! Hey
man you wouldn't happen to own a, Zappy,Visa, or be related to Chicken
Little would Ya ? The Go-Ped sky is falling, The Go-Ped sky is falling,
The Go-Ped sky is Falling..... In the future if GO-PEDS are outlawed then
Im going to the store to buy my Pirate Flag, so then I could proudly
hoist the jolly rodger over my ped ( I've seceretly always wanted one,
HARRRRRRRRRR ME MATE'IE !)....................................Ped Racer D

In article <8ut3nh$c4s$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,

[JELLYTRAIN]

sometimes i wish i didnt have a goped because if it was ever taken away ...i
would become half a jelly

[pedr...@my-deja.com]

Here, Here, my Man I second that Emotion, In the Future if GO_PEDS are
Outlawed then only Outlaws will ride GO-PEDS, gee how cool kinda a Butch
Cassidy and the Sundance Kid thing !..........................Ped Racer D

[Marty McFly]

In article <8ut8sb$fui$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,

bigjo...@my-deja.com wrote:
> after reading a little bit into the laws,it seems that this will not
> apply to two stroke engines modified for
> racing.......................hmmm

It doesn't apply to Hoverboards either. Hahahahaha!

[phil...@hotmail.com]

Nice try dude!I am in the same boat as you.This whole thing really
sucks. I dont own or am not from any other manufacturer. You will find
out the truth in the end. Why dont you look into it a little further
then you will see.They tell me that they are sending letters to all the
dealers neaxt week about the fines. I dont want them banned any more
than you do.
As far as the new engine goes, you dont know what they did to that
engine before he took it on the ride. (gearing,timing, etc.) Just
think,what a pefect place to take a new engine and show everybody how
good it is and how fast it is. That way everyone will think it is a
great thing. I heard it first hand, from the guy who use to build the
factory's race motors,that it was slow as hell and had a huge lean
hesitation on the bottom. As far as the pull start facing down,It was
probably like that because it was a dummy pull start.Maybe a 4-stroke
is the way to go?

[Steffan Carroll]

http://www.arb.ca.gov/homepage.htm

I can't find any reference on these pages to support your position. (Not
that it's not there somewhere.)

Can you give me a more precise URL?

<phil...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:8ut3nh$c4s$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...

[Pedordie]

Dont worry about them banning them in California the new motor is going to be
faster and less polution. The strato charge moto is 26cc it will be mounted
on the gas tank side of the frame and it is faster than a g23-lh.

[phil...@my-deja.com]

In article <38AQ5.31$sV2....@news.pacbell.net>,

"Steffan Carroll" <ste...@usa.net> wrote:
> http://www.arb.ca.gov/homepage.htm
>
> I can't find any reference on these pages to support your position.
(Not
> that it's not there somewhere.)
>
> Can you give me a more precise URL?
>

Her is a name and phone number if anyone wants to call;

Manfred Ochsner
1-800-242-4450
email moch...@arb.ca.gov

[phil...@hotmail.com]

Here is a name and phone number if anyone is interested.

Manfred Ochsner
1-800-242-4450
moch...@arb.ca.gov

[casman86]

Since modified engines are not illegal, that just means that they have
to meet emissions when they are stock. Then we can take off whatever it
is that makes them meet the emission standards, and modify them just
like we do g23s and g2ds.

[tina...@my-deja.com]

In response to this colloquy, please be advised,
that Go-Ped® is a registered trademark of Patmont
Motor Werks Inc. and our trademark should not be
used in it's generic sense as exemplified in this
exchange.

Go-Peds®, as manufactured by Patmont Motor Werks
Inc., are not illegal to sell or use in the state
of California.

Tina West
Information Technology Director
Patmont Motor Werks

In article <8utajk$h5v$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,

[tina...@my-deja.com]

In response to this colloquy, please be advised, that Go-Ped® is a

registered trademark of Patmont Motor Werks, Inc. and our trademark

should not be used in it's generic sense as exemplified in this
exchange.

Go-Peds®, as manufactured by Patmont Motor Werks, Inc., are not illegal
to sell or use in the state of California.

Tina West
Information Technology Director

Patmont Motor Werks, Inc.

In article <8uuqqj$op0$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,

phil...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <38AQ5.31$sV2....@news.pacbell.net>,
> "Steffan Carroll" <ste...@usa.net> wrote:
> > http://www.arb.ca.gov/homepage.htm
> >
> > I can't find any reference on these pages to support your position.
> (Not
> > that it's not there somewhere.)
> >
> > Can you give me a more precise URL?
> >
> Her is a name and phone number if anyone wants to call;
>
> Manfred Ochsner
> 1-800-242-4450
> email moch...@arb.ca.gov
>

[bettendorf]

Right on!

Marty McFly <flash...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8uvoa4$hig$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <8uvjgu$drr$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> ga...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > If you don't know how to spell the word, why don't you just say: "In
> > response to this DEBATE....etc.
>
> There's nothing wrong with the word "colloquy." May I introduce you to a
> little book called a dictionary?
>
> > ALSO, this IS a GO-PED group.
>
> She was referring to the way the Go-Ped was used in this thread to refer
> to all gas-powered scooters, not to the group in general.
>
> > Unfortunately, most of us don't have that little "R" with the circle
> > around it.
>
> Very simple to type if you have half a brain. ®®®® See? Just because
> you don't know how to type it doesn't mean it's not on your system.
>
> > LASTLY, unless it is a
> > blatant commercial violation of your trademark, you should be FLATTERED
> > that your name is occasionally associated with the sport of motorized
> > scooters. Look what it did for Xerox, Fridgidaire, Coke, Etc. You
> > should BE so lucky.....
>
> Flattery has nothing to do with it. The fact is that they are required by
> law to try to defend their registered trademark wherever feasible or risk
> having it become public domain. You obviously have never owned one nor do
> you seem to know anything about trademark law.
>
> Abraham Lincoln reportedly said, "It's better to keep your mouth shut and
> be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." It's good
> advice.
>
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > tina...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > In response to this (colloquy)????????????????????????????????,

> > please be advised, that Go-Ped® is a
> > > registered trademark of Patmont Motor Werks, Inc. and our trademark
> > > should not be used in it's generic sense as exemplified in this
> > > exchange.
>
>

[CoolX]

I'm not really worried about that. LoL, I just cant really afford a new
'Ped (or engine). ;-)

"Pedordie" <pedo...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20001115141124...@ng-cs1.aol.com...

[Dr Go Ped]

>
>Go-PedsŽ, as manufactured by Patmont Motor Werks, Inc., are not illegal

>to sell or use in the state of California.
>

Go-Peding is not a crime, no matter what any Zappy stock holding fascist
bureaucRAT wants the rest of us to think. fuel sipping 22cc's pushing people
around as efficiently as they do, just will not polute.

[casman86]

Damn that sounds shitty. I won't be able to stand having it on that
side. I'll have to replace it with a g2d if I get a new ped.

[hava...@my-deja.com]

If go peds are illegal in CA, than why does go ped make them in CA and
sell them to CA retailers? And I ride my ped aroung alot and get
stopped by cops and they never say that they are illegal. Most of them
ask where to buy them for thier kids.

In article <8ut3nh$c4s$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
phil...@hotmail.com wrote:

[ga...@my-deja.com]

If you don't know how to spell the word, why don't you just say: "In

response to this DEBATE....etc. ALSO, this IS a GO-PED group.

Unfortunately, most of us don't have that little "R" with the circle

around it. No intent to upset the Feds..... LASTLY, unless it is a

blatant commercial violation of your trademark, you should be FLATTERED
that your name is occasionally associated with the sport of motorized
scooters. Look what it did for Xerox, Fridgidaire, Coke, Etc. You
should BE so lucky.....

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

tina...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In response to this (colloquy)????????????????????????????????,
please be advised, that Go-Ped® is a
> registered trademark of Patmont Motor Werks, Inc. and our trademark
> should not be used in it's generic sense as exemplified in this
> exchange.
>

> Go-Peds®, as manufactured by Patmont Motor Werks, Inc., are not
illegal

> to sell or use in the state of California.
>
> Tina West
> Information Technology Director
> Patmont Motor Werks, Inc.
>
> In article <8uuqqj$op0$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> phil...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > In article <38AQ5.31$sV2....@news.pacbell.net>,
> > "Steffan Carroll" <ste...@usa.net> wrote:
> > > http://www.arb.ca.gov/homepage.htm
> > >
> > > I can't find any reference on these pages to support your
position.
> > (Not
> > > that it's not there somewhere.)
> > >
> > > Can you give me a more precise URL?
> > >
> > Her is a name and phone number if anyone wants to call;
> >
> > Manfred Ochsner
> > 1-800-242-4450
> > email moch...@arb.ca.gov
> >

[Marty McFly]

In article <8uvjgu$drr$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
ga...@my-deja.com wrote:

> If you don't know how to spell the word, why don't you just say: "In
> response to this DEBATE....etc.

There's nothing wrong with the word "colloquy." May I introduce you to a

little book called a dictionary?

> ALSO, this IS a GO-PED group.

She was referring to the way the Go-Ped was used in this thread to refer

to all gas-powered scooters, not to the group in general.

> Unfortunately, most of us don't have that little "R" with the circle
> around it.

Very simple to type if you have half a brain. ®®®® See? Just because

you don't know how to type it doesn't mean it's not on your system.

> LASTLY, unless it is a

> blatant commercial violation of your trademark, you should be FLATTERED
> that your name is occasionally associated with the sport of motorized
> scooters. Look what it did for Xerox, Fridgidaire, Coke, Etc. You
> should BE so lucky.....

Flattery has nothing to do with it. The fact is that they are required by

law to try to defend their registered trademark wherever feasible or risk
having it become public domain. You obviously have never owned one nor do
you seem to know anything about trademark law.

Abraham Lincoln reportedly said, "It's better to keep your mouth shut and
be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." It's good
advice.

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------

> tina...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > In response to this (colloquy)????????????????????????????????,
> please be advised, that Go-Ped® is a
> > registered trademark of Patmont Motor Werks, Inc. and our trademark
> > should not be used in it's generic sense as exemplified in this
> > exchange.

[pedr...@my-deja.com]

I JUST HAD TO RETORT, YOU ARE SO FULL OF IT, REGARDLESS OF THE OUT COME !

phil...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Nice try dude!I am in the same boat as you.This whole thing really
> sucks. I dont own or am not from any other manufacturer. You will find
> out the truth in the end. Why dont you look into it a little further
> then you will see.They tell me that they are sending letters to all the
> dealers neaxt week about the fines. I dont want them banned any more
> than you do.

YEA RIGHT, THEN WHY THE BIG SCARE TACTICTS, IF YOU ARE SO COOL THEN POST
THE ZENOHA REPORT FROM THE EPA, MIGHT ADD A LITTLE CREADENCE TO YOUR
INSESSANT LIP FLAPPING, ALSO I AGREE YOU SHOULD NOT USE THE GO-PED NAME
LIKE THAT, YOU MIGHT GET SUED AND DADDY WOULD HAVE TO GIVE UP HIS HOUSE
AND HIS COMPUTER THAT YOU ARE USING AT THIS VERY MOMENT,("JUNIOR I TOLD
YOU NOT TO USE MY COMPUTER")...........................................

> As far as the new engine goes, you dont know what they did to that
> engine before he took it on the ride. (gearing,timing, etc.) Just
> think,what a pefect place to take a new engine and show everybody how
> good it is and how fast it is. That way everyone will think it is a
> great thing. I heard it first hand, from the guy who use to build the
> factory's race motors,that it was slow as hell and had a huge lean
> hesitation on the bottom. As far as the pull start facing down,It was
> probably like that because it was a dummy pull start.Maybe a 4-stroke
> is the way to go?

AS FAR AS THE ENGINE GOES, IF IT RIPPED THEN THEY HAVE IT DOWN DONT THEY
! YOU REMIND OF A VERY YOUNG SOUL WHO INCESSANTLY HAS TO BE RIGHT TO PROP
UP HIS VERY INSECURE EGO, POOR CHILD DON'T WORRY THE PAIN WIIL SUBSIDE
WITH AGE, SO FOR THE NEAR FUTURE DO US A FAVOR, SLIP OFF INTO THE CORNER
AND SUCK YOUR THUMB, I THINK YOU NEED A PACIFIER, DUDE !......PED RACER D

P.S. ALSO QUITE QUOTING A PERSON THAT HAS PASSED TO THE OTHER SIDE AS
YOUR EXPERT AS THOUGH HE CANT BE REACHED FOR COMMENT ON THE SUBJECT AND
PROBABLY WOULD LIKE TO BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION, HE PROBABLY WOULD
BLOW SMOKE INTO YOUR STORY ANY WAY, BUT ALL IS SPECULATION, ELVIS HAS
LEFT THE BUILDING, AND PROBABLY WOULDNT LIKE YOU QUOTING HIM !.........D

[Team SNR]

I second that
<ga...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8uvjgu$drr$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...

[Team SNR]

I second that too.

give the guy a break

"Marty McFly" <flash...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8uvoa4$hig$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...

[Dr Go Ped]

> YOU ARE SO FULL OF IT, REGARDLESS OF THE OUT COME !

Hey Pedracer,
This guy's obviously from that CARB agency, trying to stop what it is we all
love so much, and know is good for our planet.
If CARB was any good at protecting the environment it wouldn't have required
MTBE, a refinery toxic waste by-product, into the gas supply that is poisoning
the water supply in CA. The REAL poluters, big oil, payed them off so they
wouldn't have to dispose of that stuff in a very expensive way. Corruption
trying to stop gopedding freedoms will be a big mistake.
Gopedding is not a crime.

[pedr...@my-deja.com]

Thanks Dr. Go-Ped this kid really has tude Hugh ? Must not of been well
endowed, and is angry at the world ! I wanted to personally thank you for
the support ! Hey if this wanker even owned a Go-Ped I might listen, you
can always tell the ones that don't they are always so negative. I also
find it funnie when you nail them to the pervabial fence, all they can
come back with is a lame retort, this guy couldn't argue his way out of a
paper box ! P.S. When are you going to drag your self away from that tube
and go riding with us we missed your presence, you have to stop obsessing
over "W" personally I wanted the other guy to win, but I don't hold that
against you, I think you Rock, and love all your posts on the group, you
add a lot to it, and what a nice post on Dan Stapely you did, I'm sure
he's smiling down on you for that, best of always:............Ped Racer D

drg...@aol.com (Dr Go Ped) wrote:

> > YOU ARE SO FULL OF IT, REGARDLESS OF THE OUT COME !

> Hey Pedracer,

[pedr...@my-deja.com]

Look Marty if you knew how to fix it then why didn't you in the
headerfix the problem ? Personally I don't understand that, the alt.
group is supposed to be about helping each other ! I personally fixed it
as good as I could at the time, but I just don't understand someone that
knows how to do it and then leaves it off any way from the hedder, are
you just mean or just wanted to diss some one so you could feel bigger ?
You seem like a bright fellow, how's about a little dose of your own
medicine, Dude !

[pedr...@my-deja.com]

Thanks man ! Seems that you have to do the fix every time to the header
or it dosent stick (becouse I assume that it wasent in the origianl
hedder)any how what a digression ! Called that woman at the CA. EPA seems
that she likes to send you to some one else (must be the sec.) ! Seems
like the most informed person on the subject is, Info. Officer: John
Gittelson (hope I spelled his name right no one spelled it for me !) any
how he is supposed to know the most about this subject, also a word of
Warning these people seem from there tone to be hostle from the get go,
so be cool to them on the phone, oh the number again is 1-800-242-4450 I
dont know if this is the main EPA number, this was the one on the alt.
group !......................................................Ped Racer D

"Team SNR" <produ...@skateandride.com> wrote:

> I second that

> <ga...@my-deja.com> wrote in message

> > If you don't know how to spell the word, why don't you just say: "In

> > response to this DEBATE....etc. ALSO, this IS a GO-PED group.
> > Unfortunately, most of us don't have that little "R" with the circle
> > around it. No intent to upset the Feds..... LASTLY, unless it is a
> > blatant commercial violation of your trademark, you should be FLATTERED
> > that your name is occasionally associated with the sport of motorized
> > scooters. Look what it did for Xerox, Fridgidaire, Coke, Etc. You
> > should BE so lucky.....
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > tina...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > In response to this (colloquy)????????????????????????????????,
> > please be advised, that Go-Ped® is a
> > > registered trademark of Patmont Motor Werks, Inc. and our trademark
> > > should not be used in it's generic sense as exemplified in this
> > > exchange.
> > >
> > > Go-Peds®, as manufactured by Patmont Motor Werks, Inc., are not
> > illegal
> > > to sell or use in the state of California.
> > >
> > > Tina West
> > > Information Technology Director
> > > Patmont Motor Werks, Inc.
> > >

> > > > "Steffan Carroll" <ste...@usa.net> wrote:

[tina...@my-deja.com]

Thank you Marty, I could not have explained it better. Education is
much needed and appreciated.

In article <8uvoa4$hig$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,

[Tim Patmont]

The new engine is good. We received one and it IS slightly faster and more
powerful. Box stock, we raced some stockers here while switching rider. The
new motor pulls a little while accelerating and keeps on pulling in the top
end. It's a bigger motor. The airfilter is still facing the front, but the
motor will be on the opposite side of the frame. When you ride it, that's
unnoticeable. All in all, I think it's a move in the right direction. Not too
mention, it is better for the environment. It gets about twice the fuel range
and has less emissions. We are an environmentally conscious company and it
feels good knowing that we may actually be helping the environment. Just if we
can get people to convert over from their cars!!

Tim

[Dr Go Ped]

>a word of
>Warning these people seem from there tone to be hostle from the get go,

That's not acceptable.
Never ever let a public servant who recieves a pay check from your traxes talk
down to you.
It's time we demand more excellence and better service from our public
servants.

[Dr Go Ped]

>go riding with us we missed your presence,

Thank you Ped Racer D.
I live almost a continent apart, but when we ride our peds, we ride together.

> nice post on Dan Stapely you did, I'm sure
>he's smiling down on you for that, best of always:..........

Also with Dan..... when we ride our peds, we ride together.
Give us freedom, or give us death.

[casman86]

That makes me feel a lot better knowing that it's got the air filter
facing forwards. I would forever hate it if it was facing backwards
like a viza.

[casman86]

What kind of aftermarket stuff do you think there'll be. What makes it
so fuel efficient?

[Chaboi...@hotmail.com]

I think the new engine may not become cool for a while, simply becasue
20 mph or so is definately not fast enough me. I dunno how long it'll
be before they'res full mods for it, even now the g23 doesnt have a
head kit for it thats easy to get. Btw Tim, any chance of a real clutch
on this new motor?? And what will all ofus with G2ds and g23's do? I
dont want my ped to get outlawed, and if its on the other side of the
frame I'd have to buy a new frame too?
In article <8uvekh$a2f$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,

[bigjo...@my-deja.com]

Tim, you'll need a roof kit and a cup holder to do that!........LOL

[pedr...@my-deja.com]

drg...@aol.com (Dr Go Ped) wrote:

a word of Warning these people seem from there tone to be hostle from the
get go,> That's not acceptable.

Yea, one guy was harsh and one very informative, boy he new everything
kinda a walking encyclopedia..........................................

Never ever let a public servant who recieves a pay check from your
traxes talk down to you. It's time we demand more excellence and better
service from our public servants.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK !

Hey I'm curious , has Patmont Mtr. Werks ever gone in front of the CA.
EPA to certify the GO PED(R) engine ? They said if you pick one they
certified the process is at a no cost basis to the manufacturer,(that is
minus your internal co. costs, staff, lawyers, office supplies, ect.)
well any way that was what I was told !......................Ped Racer D

[Tim Patmont]

>What kind of aftermarket stuff do you think there'll be. What makes it
>so fuel efficient?

It has an ingenious intake system with a two barrel carb!! One is raw air and
the other is mixed with fuel. It uses technology that burns off all the fuel,
transfering it into horsepower, rather than blowing off into the exhaust. I'm
sure people will figure out to modify them.

Tim

[bubbb...@my-deja.com]

so doc goped(r)???
What is the verdict? are they or are they not legal to sell in the
Democratic state of California?????

[rays...@my-deja.com]

Hi Bubba, do you still have those mean sounding dogs in your backyard?

[Dr Go Ped]

>so doc goped(r)???
>What is the verdict? are they or are they not legal to sell in the
>Democratic state of California?????
>
>

Legal to sell... illegal to prevent their sale even if you're a runaway
fascistic buraoucracy that does not give "due process", or fails to inform an
industry it's regulations will affect, as required of them by "democratic" law.

[bubbb...@my-deja.com]

did Patmont get a cease and dissist order????????????
HAVE any of the dealers in Ca gotten one????
It would be nice to know the real scoop

[pedr...@my-deja.com]

I SMELL A ZAPPY RAT BEHIND ALL OF THIS LATEST FRUCKUS, WHAT YA THINK, IF
YOU CAREFULLY LOOK OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS AT THE LEGAL SET BACKS IN NEW
YORK , NEW JERSEY , AND OTHER STATES , I THINK YOU WILL FIND,THERE SLIMY
FRICKING FINGER'S CREAPING AROUND THE BACK GROUND, LETS FACE IT ITS IN
THERE BEST INTEREST TO LOBBY IN WHAT EVER UNDER HANDED WAY TO GET, GAS
POWERED SCOOTERS OUT OF THE WAY, ITS SALES NUMBERS PEOPLE, THE ALL MIGHTY
BUCK, SO LOOK OUT PEDDERS LETS NOT GET ZAPPED BY THESE TRICKY DICKEYS !!!
..............................................................PED RACER D

Chaboi...@hotmail.com wrote:
> I think the new engine may not become cool for a while, simply becasue
> 20 mph or so is definately not fast enough me. I dunno how long it'll
> be before they'res full mods for it, even now the g23 doesnt have a
> head kit for it thats easy to get. Btw Tim, any chance of a real clutch
> on this new motor?? And what will all ofus with G2ds and g23's do? I
> dont want my ped to get outlawed, and if its on the other side of the
> frame I'd have to buy a new frame too?
>

[pedr...@my-deja.com]

I SMELL A ZAPPY RAT BEHIND ALL OF THIS LATEST FRUCKUS, WHAT YA THINK, IF
YOU CAREFULLY LOOK OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS AT THE LEGAL SET BACKS IN NEW
YORK , NEW JERSEY , AND OTHER STATES , I THINK YOU WILL FIND,THERE SLIMY
FRICKING FINGER'S CREAPING AROUND THE BACK GROUND, LETS FACE IT ITS IN
THERE BEST INTEREST TO LOBBY IN WHAT EVER UNDER HANDED WAY TO GET, GAS
POWERED SCOOTERS OUT OF THE WAY, ITS SALES NUMBERS PEOPLE, THE ALL MIGHTY
BUCK, SO LOOK OUT PEDDERS LETS NOT GET ZAPPED BY THESE TRICKY DICKEYS !!!
..............................................................PED RACER D

Chaboi...@hotmail.com wrote:
> I think the new engine may not become cool for a while, simply becasue
> 20 mph or so is definately not fast enough me. I dunno how long it'll
> be before they'res full mods for it, even now the g23 doesnt have a
> head kit for it thats easy to get. Btw Tim, any chance of a real clutch
> on this new motor?? And what will all ofus with G2ds and g23's do? I
> dont want my ped to get outlawed, and if its on the other side of the
> frame I'd have to buy a new frame too?
>

[Dr Go Ped]

>I SMELL A ZAPPY RAT BEHIND ALL OF THIS LATEST FRUCKUS,

PedracerD, You just hit the nail on the head.
Their first try to kill Go-ped with the Calif. Motorized Scooter law they
sponsored with Senator Chesbro backfired big time against them, so now they're
using corrupt CARB officials who'll do anything for a buck, or free ZAP shares
they wanna pump up.
WE DON"T GIVE A DAMN WHAT ANYBODY THINKS, WE"RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE!

[Steffan Carroll]

Everybody loves a conspiracy, and a personified enemy is even better.

Your theory does not hold up however, when you consider that the Zappy
products have been equally prohibited with these new enforcements. It's the
"scooter" status, not the gas v electric that is being prohibited.

<pedr...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8vg10t$7oa$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...

> I SMELL A ZAPPY RAT BEHIND ALL OF THIS LATEST FRUCKUS, WHAT YA THINK, IF
> YOU CAREFULLY LOOK OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS AT THE LEGAL SET BACKS IN NEW
> YORK , NEW JERSEY , AND OTHER STATES , I THINK YOU WILL FIND,THERE SLIMY
> FRICKING FINGER'S CREAPING AROUND THE BACK GROUND, LETS FACE IT ITS IN
> THERE BEST INTEREST TO LOBBY IN WHAT EVER UNDER HANDED WAY TO GET, GAS
> POWERED SCOOTERS OUT OF THE WAY, ITS SALES NUMBERS PEOPLE, THE ALL MIGHTY
> BUCK, SO LOOK OUT PEDDERS LETS NOT GET ZAPPED BY THESE TRICKY DICKEYS !!!
> ..............................................................PED RACER D
>
>
> Chaboi...@hotmail.com wrote:

> > I think the new engine may not become cool for a while, simply becasue
> > 20 mph or so is definately not fast enough me. I dunno how long it'll
> > be before they'res full mods for it, even now the g23 doesnt have a
> > head kit for it thats easy to get. Btw Tim, any chance of a real clutch
> > on this new motor?? And what will all ofus with G2ds and g23's do? I
> > dont want my ped to get outlawed, and if its on the other side of the
> > frame I'd have to buy a new frame too?
> >
>
>

[Steffan Carroll]

They don't need a cease and desist order. Penalties are already in place.
They question is when does enforcement start?

This is somewhat like when smoking in bars was banned, it was a year or so
before serious enforcement began. All the bar owners that vowed to fight
were eventually cowed in the face of ever expanding fines after multiple
violations.

Steffan

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