Viza Viper vs. Sport
Steve
Viza Viper. I've read all the posts in this group. There appears to be a
near religious devotion to the original Go-Ped sport. From a engineering
stand point it seems to be a simpler design than the Viza but has it's own
troubles (rapid rear tire wear, broke crankshafts, can't coast). The Viza on
the other hand uses chain drive (no spindle induced tire wear), 5:1
transmission (easier on the engine), and a band brake (stays adjusted and is
strong). I'd guess that the acceleration of the Sport is better than Viper
off the line (due to the centrifugal clutch) but after 10ft it would be over
for the Sport. Also the Viza rear brake should help with wheelies (tap when
looping out to pull the front down, just like motorcycles and bicycles).
Have any of you ridden both? I'd like all the info you can give me on all
the plus and minus of both designs by people that have actually ridden them.
Please no "Go-Ped or go home" crap!
Thanks in advance.
Dr Go Ped
>troubles
>rapid rear tire wear
Only when instructions to keep correct spindle adjustment is not followed.
Replacement cost is less than a tire and tube, and you'll never get a flat
.> broke crankshafts,
Again, that's only possible if you don't follow instructions, and don't
correctly use the "engine protection washer".
>can't coast
Can too. The quick release axle allows you to put it in "free wheel" to make
it glide as well as the Know-ped push scooter.
>The Viza on
>the other hand uses chain drive (no spindle induced tire wear)
Instead you'll have chain wear, adjustments, lubrication requiremens, noise,
weight, and maintenance problems way in excess of the prooven Go-ped grive
system.
> 5:1
>transmission (easier on the engine)
The Go-Ped stock ratio is about 9:1. What makes you think 5:1 is "easier on
the engine"?
>and a band brake (stays adjusted and is
>strong).
The Sport Go-ped tire/disc brake kicks butt over any heavy, clunky and
complicated band brake. Just watch any Go-Ped race where brakeing is just as
important as acceleration.
phily...@my-deja.com
possible when riding. You have to use the throttle by turning the grip
on the bar which is very annoying. On the Goped it is so much easier
with the throttle lever. The Goped is so much simpler and better.
bye
-Phil-
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Steve
HWANGNYC wrote in message <38416af5...@news.giganews.com>...
>one word Sport
>
Steve
Have you ridden both the Sport and Viper?
Why is the GoPed better?
Thanks.
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WiskyPorsche911
to maintain- if you run into lots of dust, you can hurt the chain drive--
Go ped, or do whatever--
(i didnt say it!!)
Wisky
Goldyrolls
a sport and it never starts....(takes at least 30 minutes)..... The ride on the
thing is just terrible....if u hit a pebble u'll practically be thrown off the
thing. And you can't slow down on the sport.... The only way you can coast is
if you get off it, turn it off and get ur hands all greased up.....The tires
wear down very quickly too. I have never ridden a viper but i am guessing it
is similar to the venom...u should get the viper!!!
John Berg
grev...@aol.com
a Go-ped Sport and also and X-ped. My 2 cousins who live on my street
both have Vizas, a Venom and a Viper, I've ridden both extensively and
I have found this, I would never get the Venom because it's too big and
too heavy and the whole twist throttle thing is a horrible idea since
when you jump you have a tendency to pull the grips thus making you
feel like your going to fall back and off further...and it's loud as
hell. I don't care what anybody says, that tranmission on the Venom is
loud it sounds like a fricking supercharger. As for the Viper, that's
a pretty good machine...tranny isn't as loud, simpler design and a
little bit lighter. My go-peds and my cousin's viper rips the
venom...and the venom has the "sprinter" gears...whatever that thing is
a slug. My cousin with the viper wants a Sport and if i get another
"ped" it's gonna be a Viper. The Viper has a throttle lever like a go-
ped so it's real easy to get use to. As for the biggest differences,
it would have to be the ride...the ride on the viper is much more plush
as opposed to the sport. I think its hard to compare the 2 because
it's like comparing a big sedan to a sports car...the Sport being the
Sports car. The Viper can take turns sooooooo fast becasue of the
contact patch that it has but damn the sport and the x-ped are way
faster...stock viper vs. stock sport...sport wins. Modified vs.
modified and I would have to call it a draw...many things can be done
on a Viper for relatively cheap...I think you must weigh the options
because if you like to do some off-roading, go with the Viper, it does
that very well and does well on pavement as well...but, if your
strictly a paved road rider...go with the sport. let me know what you
decide and tell me what you think...Good Luck!
Steven Etheridge
So far from emails received and news group posts this is the owner/riders
opinions of the peds/scooters (stock vs. stock):
1) Venom:
Good -
* not much
Bad -
* twist throttle is a loser
* heavy
Ugly -
* Yes it is!
2) Sport:
Good -
* great off the line acceleration
* never gets a flat
* lots of after-market stuff
* simple design
* huge dealer and support network
* easy to work on (although the less of this the better in my
opinion)
Bad -
* tire wear, owners report tires go out of round in hard
cornering, and of course spindle wear.
* Front brake is better than nothing, but not much (sorry Dr Go
Ped your users don't agree with you)
~ my 1972 Schwinn Varsity 10-speed uses the same type and I
don't like them
~ how about moving up to cantilevers or Mountain Bike
Shimano V-brakes (they kick major butt)
* vibration, rough ride
* tire size, a pothole could cause you significant injures
* no 3rd bearing support (this should be stock on the sport but
isn't)
Ugly -
* tire type (My 1st bicycle had hard rubber tires. It sucked!
Tubes and air add up to a plusher ride.)
* limited to road only (therefore you need a BigFoot as well to
go off-road)
3) BigFoot:
Good -
* unlimited riding area
* huge dealer and support network (some advise you not to buy
it?)
* lift motor off tire at stops so it will idle (gets stuck in
this position to often)
* front brake that works
Bad -
* back brake that doesn't
* really slow compared to everything but electric
Ugly -
* mechanical nightmare, engine springs, exhaust tube closures,
engine hops on bumps
* requires constant tweaking and forces owners to fix design
flaws with creative work arounds
4) Viper:
Good -
* trigger throttle
* top end speed
* idles at stops like liquamatic go-ped
* will coast without disabling spindle (engine noise is dropped
to near zero)
~ this is important as the policeman passes by
~ you can coast downhill
* easy to change performance via sprockets
* strong rear brake
* smooooooooooth ride
* bigger engine
* chain drive
~ if spindles are so good how come
Honda/Yamaha/Suzuki/Kawasaki doesn't use them on motorcycles?
~ even the Schwinn Whizzer from the days of old used a
belt/pulley bolted to the rear rim spokes
* unlimited riding area (great on and off-road)
* more reliable than Sport (info from owners that have both
Viper and Sport)
* less maintenance than Sport (info from owners that have both
Viper and Sport)
* no major design flaws or problems reported by owners
* wheelies easier and longer than sport (subjective)
Bad:
* not as fast as Sport off the line (centrifugal clutch)
* loud engine (optional large muffler available $35)
* drive train noise (doesn't seem to be a problem for people who
have never ridden a sport)
* no front brake
* folding handlebar rear hook a poor design
Ugly:
* fewer dealers and support
* very little after market stuff
Any rebuttals or comments?
jackc...@cix.compulink.co.uk
(Steven Etheridge) wrote:
> Any rebuttals or comments?
Nope, hope you have a great time on your Visa and your Hyundai never
breaks down. The only Visa I'd use is the flat and rectangular.
Jack Clark
Steven Etheridge
The people have spoken!
So far from emails received and news group posts this is the owner/riders
opinions of the peds/scooters (stock vs. stock):
1) Venom:
Good -
* not much
Bad -
* twist throttle is a loser
* heavy
Ugly -
* Yes it is!
2) Sport:
Good -
* great off the line acceleration
* never gets a flat
* lots of after-market stuff
* simple design
* huge dealer and support network
* easy to work on
(although the less of this the better)
Bad -
* tire wear, owners report tires go out of
round in hard cornering,
and of course spindle wear.
* Front brake is better than nothing, but not much
(sorry Dr Go Ped your users don't agree with you)
~ my 1972 Schwinn Varsity 10-speed uses the same type
~ how about moving up to cantilevers or Mountain Bike
Shimano V-brakes (they kick major butt)
* vibration, rough ride
* tire size, a pothole could cause you significant injures
* no 3rd bearing support (this should be stock)
Ugly -
* tire type
(My 1st bicycle had hard rubber tires. Air in a tube is
plusher)
Summary:
Based on the responses I got it sums up like this.
It appears Viza has done a good job of building
a next generation scooter incorporating most of
the best features of the Go-Peds. Performance like
the sport, off-road capable like the BigFoot, and
the avantage of being able to idle like the Liquamatic.
Any rebuttals or comments?
phily...@my-deja.com
the viper would too, sorry.
p.s. I hate the Venom
-Phil-
phily...@my-deja.com
facts. Stock sports do NOT need a third bearing. If that purple
washer is used correctly the it is a money saver. Also, the breakes on
the sport are awesome! I prefere them over a rear brake or a disk
brteak for a # of reasons. But two main ones; they stop the ped
perfectly fine with such a simple design; also, they are so much fun
for tricks. I love do on ground 360's and front wheelies to come to a
stop. Without this brake design these tricks and manuvers are not
possible. What fun do you have with a rear disc break?
Steven Etheridge
The only thing I can think of for a rear brake to do is aid in wheelies. On
a motorcycle or bicycle if the front wheel gets to high in a wheelie you tap
the rear brake and this brings the front down. Never have ridden a motorized
scooter (go-ped or others) so I assume the same thing can be done if a rear
brake is handy.
So far the two main draw backs for the Sport are tires and brake. I recall
see a movie (mpeg) on Dave's Discount Motors site showing some nose
wheelies. Hum. I also heard the tires get out of round by various maneuvers
and must be ground down to round again. How often do you replace your
go-active tires? How much maintenance does you ped require monthly to keep
it running well?
Thanks
<phily...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Steven Etheridge
"Duplication Not Innovation"
Dr Go Ped <drg...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >The Viper HAS a throttle lever!
>
> Wonder where they finally got that idea?
>
phily...@my-deja.com
more than most. A wheel can last months for some people.
Dr Go Ped
marcf
Thats the first time I've heard it said that BigFoots are slow, but
having never ridden a sport, I couldn't say. Is this true?
-Marc.
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jackc...@cix.compulink.co.uk
(Steven Etheridge) wrote:
> That's any easy one!
>
> "Duplication Not Innovation"
Fantastic. That just about sums it up.
Jack Clark
jackc...@cix.compulink.co.uk
marcfN...@softhome.net.invalid (marcf) wrote:
> Thats the first time I've heard it said that BigFoots are slow, but
> having never ridden a sport, I couldn't say. Is this true?
Sports are only faster when stock and then only in a straight line. It's
fast enough I can assure you.
Jack Clark
Jesse
fuck up.
On Sat, 27 Nov 1999 23:14:47 GMT, phily...@my-deja.com wrote:
>First of all, the viza is a big clunky piece of jive. No control is
>possible when riding. You have to use the throttle by turning the grip
>on the bar which is very annoying. On the Goped it is so much easier
>with the throttle lever. The Goped is so much simpler and better.
>bye
Ss5Skater
STUPID X-PED, SPORT OR BIGFOOT ON ROAD OR OFF. SO SUCK MY DICK COCK SUCKER
(ambience)
> I DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT BUT MY VIZA VIPER (MOD.) WOULD SMOKE ANY
> STUPID X-PED, SPORT OR BIGFOOT ON ROAD OR OFF. SO SUCK MY DICK COCK SUCKER
welll as educaed as you seem....i belive your wrong. what mods do you have done
to your viza?
Dr Go Ped
>ANY
Sure, so would any Honda 50. Big deal.
Why don't you just get a GOOD motorcycle, and not something that's niether.
Steven Etheridge
A Go-Ped is MOTORIZED SCOOTER period.
A Viza Viper is a MOTORIZED SCOOTER period.
The Go-Ped is not a universally unique concept. It is just another variation
on a theme!!!!
I can't wait for you people build your temple to Zenoah and Spindles!
Just don't expect everybody to get on there knees and worship.
As much as the Go-Ped culture seems to say we're different, we're better,
your not.
This group is very intolerant to anything not "Ped". Whatever that means.
I guess it means a patented Patmont product or is it a religion?
Come on people wake up, it's just a motorized scooter not a messianic
movement.
If someone calls a motorized scooter a Go-Ped who cares, it's done all the
time.
Any tissue you blow your nose into is a Kleenex. Even it's made by Scott.
Any copy machine is a Xerox machine. Even if it is not made by Xerox.
Go-Ped is beginning to imply any Motorized Scooter in general. Like it or
not Dr Go Ped.
If you people aren't scared of Viza's let them enter in your racing circuit.
Yugo cars would be considered world class sport cars if the didn't race
anything else.
Chain drive doesn't make a motorized scooter a motorcycle either.
There are many motorcycles that use drive shafts or belts.
None use spindles though. Humm.
Open up your closed minds and grow up.
Dr Go Ped <drg...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Jack Clark
news:gph24.856$Hi6....@news2.randori.com...
> Wait a minute here!
>
> A Go-Ped is MOTORIZED SCOOTER period.
> A Viza Viper is a MOTORIZED SCOOTER period.
>
> The Go-Ped is not a universally unique concept. It is just another
variation
> on a theme!!!!
I think it might be time someone started alt.sport.motorized-scooter. I will
if the telly's really bad one night.
Jack Clark
CaliKingNF
MODS THAN THE SPORT
3flyn...@my-deja.com
"Steven Etheridge" <set...@hughes.net> wrote:
> Wait a minute here!
>
> A Go-Ped is MOTORIZED SCOOTER period.
> A Viza Viper is a MOTORIZED SCOOTER period.
>
> The Go-Ped is not a universally unique concept. It is just another
variation
> on a theme!!!!
>
the go-ped races & the thing about the name , its like calling all cars
a B.M.W. and i think this is called sport.go-ped news group.
(ambience)
> LISTEN YOU STUPID PRICK YOU CAN'T EVEN SPELL EDUCATED RIGHT! THE VIPER HAS MORE
> MODS THAN THE SPORT
umm....its called a typo, gee sorry my bad....i guess missing a letter when typing
makes me a "stupid prick". why don't you just leave the newsgroup, no one here
went out of their way to bother you, so why are you bothering us? we like go-peds,
not viza or mosquitos or whatever, thats why the nesgroup just happens to be
called alt.sport.goped. note the goped part in there. at least "steven ethridge"
makes somewhat sense and has reasoning behind his statements. just saying "my viza
will beat your goped" is not saying very much at all. and what mods does the viper
have? you just keep saying it has mods....i get the feeling you don't know what
your talking about.
Dr Go Ped
>A Viza Viper is a MOTORIZED SCOOTER period.
So go and start the MOTORIZED SCOOTER news group, and don't let the door hit
you on the way out.
Dr Go Ped
>If someone calls a motorized scooter a Go-Ped who cares, it's done all the
>time.
Go-pedders care. We know that all the others are just bad attempts, or cheap
coppies to a successful American design, and want to take away from it just
like you're trying to do.
.
>Go-Ped is beginning to imply any Motorized Scooter in general. Like it or
>not Dr Go Ped.
That's what you're hopeing so you can more easily sell your immitation, and
confuse the unsuspecting public that they too are getting a Go-Ped if they buy
yours instead.
>If you people aren't scared of Viza's let them enter in your racing circuit.
Then it would't be Go-Ped raceing would it?
Why doesnt viza start their own raceing circuit?
>There are many motorcycles that use drive shafts, chains or belts.
>None use spindles though. Humm.
Precisely. Now you too are beginning to figure out what's so neat about
Go-peds.
Dr-Go-Ped-Is-An-Asshole
You should keep your biased opinions to yourself. If you can't speak
intelligently, don't speak. It's a waste of time ready the drivel you
spew out. Do you really think that you're some kind of genius? Well,
as much as you think you know, or profess to know, the truth is, who
cares, cause your delivery makes people wretch just to read your
replies. Get laid once in a while and stop being such a dick.
YOU SIR CAN EAT A FAT DICK
Dr Go Ped
>
>You should keep your biased opinions to yourself. If you can't speak
>intelligently, don't speak. It's a waste of time ready the drivel you
>spew out. Do you really think that you're some kind of genius? Well,
>as much as you think you know, or profess to know, the truth is, who
>cares, cause your delivery makes people wretch just to read your
>replies.
You'll get over it.
phily...@my-deja.com
did you really expect me to say? This is a "Go-ped" brand scooter
forum. Your going to recieve comements like that in a forum intended
for Goped riders, not Viza riders. Why do you read this anyway if you
like your Viza so much?
have a good life,
-Phil-
m03n...@cwcom.net
BIGGEST ARGUMENT YET!!! IS THERE STILL TIME???
Jesse wrote:
> What a lame dork you are. I have both and you need to just shut the
> fuck up.
>
> On Sat, 27 Nov 1999 23:14:47 GMT, phily...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> >First of all, the viza is a big clunky piece of jive. No control is
> >possible when riding. You have to use the throttle by turning the grip
> >on the bar which is very annoying. On the Goped it is so much easier
> >with the throttle lever. The Goped is so much simpler and better.
> >bye
last_...@my-deja.com
alt.lazy.blatent-ripoff-of-a-go-ped
as for the people calling Dr. Go-Ped stupid SHUT THE FUCK UP! if it was
not for him we would not have the Go-Ped, or the racing series. That is
my point, and the next time I see a ripoff rider I will have my
brass-knuckles ready.
by the way how about you go to a scooter meeting and talk shit about the
vespa to a bunch of MODS I think that you will find that rather
uncomfortable.
I feel that you all (trash talking queers) "members" think that you are
rather bad-assed because you are hiding behing a moniter and a keyboard,
well I'm not hiding and I'm ready so bring it on.
HWANGNYC
HWANGNYC
SCOOTER besides Go Ped Leave and start another group. Alt.Sport.go-ped
shall be the group for people who perfer GO-PEDS. People who have a
visa most likley would argure on there own behalf. So i think people
who think that GO-PeDs suck and Vizas are better go start your own
group. Zappy people did
Hwangnyc
m03n...@cwcom.net
rip off thing here in the UK unless i goto America my self and import
one! And it isn't worth it cause imagine the trouble i would have
getting parts! I had a go-ped simply because i can buy more of em! AND
get the parts really easy! Line one is about 60 miles away from me and
mail order from a uk destination to another UK is a day or two! So if
Viza create a well known dealer in the UK they might sell loads over
here with our bad weather conditions! And i'm not saying there isn't a
dealer But i know of atlest 3 go-ped dealers and not one viza! So face
it go-ped have a much bigger and better network! That is not saying
their scooters are better cause i have never ridden a viza or venom!
VizaViper69
PsYcHo GaMeZ
PsYcHo GaMeZ
you want. And adjusting the spindle about once every 3 days takes about 30
seconds. Its worth it! Besides Viper has a plastic Deck!
PsYcHo GaMeZ
PsYcHo GaMeZ
slow!
last_...@my-deja.com
that means Shut up!