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The Dart Nut

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Mar 23, 2004, 2:33:38 AM3/23/04
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Darters -
When you calculate your points per dart - do you divide your total score by
the number darts you actually throw ie 21 darts for 501 OR do you calculate
it as 24 darts even though you only threw 21. There is a bit of a dispute
between a few fellas.

Your thoughts,
The Dart Nut.....


Corey Dyke

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Mar 23, 2004, 12:54:48 PM3/23/04
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try here ------> http://www.crowsdarts.com/charts/501ppd.html
hope it helps : )

Corey

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Jan Kidd

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Mar 24, 2004, 4:20:11 AM3/24/04
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You divide the total by the actual darts thrown..
Jan

Kosmo Threadbane

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Mar 24, 2004, 8:50:08 AM3/24/04
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jan...@webtv.net (Jan Kidd) wrote:
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>You divide the total by the actual darts thrown..
>Jan
>

I haven't found anything fully satisfactory yet, but this doesn't seem
to be what's happening. On the surface, it seems that "throws" are
what counts. Let us say I get to 40 in 8 darts and miss. My next throw
takes me to, oh...16. My opponent continues to pound out 26s, while
I hit the 32 on my first dart each time. Fifteen throws later, my
opponent, on his 55th dart, hammers the double 1. I, busting 16
every time on my first dart, have thrown only 27 darts "actual" darts.
I think my points per dart would be as if I threw 54 darts, but I don't
actually know the answer to that.


johan

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Mar 24, 2004, 8:55:19 AM3/24/04
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The Dart Nut wrote:

A well chosen example should explain it all.

100
100
100
100
61 (40 left)
bust (oops started with treble 20)
miss - Double 20 (1 dart left in my hand)

This counts as a 20 dart leg.
+ The bust counts as 3 darts, even though it only took 1 dart to bust
+ The dart left in your hands after hitting the out doesn't count.

In short:

'number-of-darts' = 'number-of-turns' * 3 -
'number-of-darts-left-in-your-hands-after-hitting-the-outshot'

jhsw...@cableinet.co.uk

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Mar 24, 2004, 9:12:38 AM3/24/04
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Sorry but this is incorrect, for instance , if you have thrown 18 darts and
left yourself double 10 and with your next throw the first dart hits double
15 and you bust, you must now take that as a complete throw, so you have now
taken 21 darts.

John
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Jan Kidd

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Mar 24, 2004, 12:14:54 PM3/24/04
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If for example you are playing 501 and to get to double you have thrown
18 darts, and then it takes you another 7 darts to get the required out,
including darts that miss the board or bust the out shot over and over,
you have then taken 25 darts. This means that your points per dart
average is approx 20 which is 501 divided by 25.

Mitch

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Mar 23, 2004, 11:08:17 PM3/23/04
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In the American dart league, they just use the actual number of darts
thrown. Darts thrown that cause you t o bust are counted also. For their
complete rules , try www.adadarters.com


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Kosmo Threadbane

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Mar 26, 2004, 4:01:42 PM3/26/04
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"Mitch" <bigd...@cavtel.net> wrote:
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>In the American dart league, they just use the actual number of darts
>thrown. Darts thrown that cause you t o bust are counted also. For their
>complete rules , try www.adadarters.com
>

I couldn't find a thing. Just lists of who's leading. The league rules
and other pages had no information that was useful, and without even
a primitive search capability, there didn't seem to be any choice but
to travel down every link. The "Official Rules and Regulations" page
is missing, as is the "Frequently Asked Questions" page. I looked at
pretty much every page I could locate. Nothing about ppd. Maybe
you could flesh out the URL a little?

Also interesting was ADO's claim that Fox Sports Network carried dart
tournaments. A search on that site for "darts" and "dart" gave the
following (expected) answer:

"Sorry, but there were no matches for your search.
Please check your spelling and try another search in the
keyword search box above."

>
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>> Darters -
>> When you calculate your points per dart - do you divide your total score
>by
>> the number darts you actually throw ie 21 darts for 501 OR do you
>calculate
>> it as 24 darts even though you only threw 21. There is a bit of a dispute
>> between a few fellas.
>>
>> Your thoughts,
>> The Dart Nut.....

This seems to be astonishingly difficult to pin down. I tried the
remarkably confusing BDO page, finding everything about running
a tournament to official BDO uniform colors, but nothing about how
ppd is calculated -- yeah, there were ppd tables with players' names,
but nothing about how the numbers were arrived at.

Seth--B

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Mar 26, 2004, 6:09:23 PM3/26/04
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> Also interesting was ADO's claim that Fox Sports Network carried dart
> tournaments. A search on that site for "darts" and "dart" gave the
> following (expected) answer:
>
> "Sorry, but there were no matches for your search.
> Please check your spelling and try another search in the
> keyword search box above."

They do carry dart tournaments - they've shown both the PDC championships
and the Las Vegas Desert Classic - though several months after the event,
not live. The other thing is, if you're on the East Coast US, they are
shown at about 4am. Also, they don't announce them on their schedules
until the last minute, so either you monitor their web site schedule for
two weeks in advance (and they change those day-to-day) or you watch Fox
Sports all the time to catch the announcement.

But for sure, they don't carry any live tournaments, just the SkySports
'months after the fact' rebroadcast of highlights. That said, they are
pretty good, and worth taping.

Kosmo Threadbane

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Mar 26, 2004, 7:40:09 PM3/26/04
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Well, I'll at least give it a shot. I'm a little absent minded to
pull it off, I fear. 8^)

Kosmo Threadbane

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Mar 26, 2004, 7:42:05 PM3/26/04
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>

- Duncan Swift, playing out of the Felilxstowe Dock Sports and
Social Club, Surrey, scored 493,470 points to capture the 24 hour
solo record in May of 1987. While shooting and retrieving the darts
himself, Duncan hit an incredible 123 180s, 643 140s and used a
total of 18,369 darts for a fabulous 26.86 points per dart average.

I decided to check this out. I set my stopwatch to 0, and off I
went throwing faster than normal, trying to hustle a bit -- I barely
managed 18 seconds a throw. So I hustled it up a bit. Started
throwing quick, hardly aiming at all. Rushing up to board, rushing
back. 95 85 65 120 yikes!! So I decided I'd see how many I could
score, just hammering points. 65 40 37 30 11 get a beer.

What a pressure player.

Anyhow, that's just amazing what Mr. Swift did there. Think about
it. Under fifteen seconds a throw, INCLUDING TRIPS TO THE HEAD.
For 24 hours. I don't even want to think about it if he stopped
for dinner.

the dartshop

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Mar 27, 2004, 12:56:01 PM3/27/04
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They only count the darts thrown. When the BDO scores recorders write
the scores down, they would go something like this.....

100, 140, 85,100, 60, 0 +2 17

The first numbers would be the scores hit by the thrower which before
the final throw total 485. The (0) is the amount left at the end of the
leg as this thrower would have won the leg. The (+2) is the amount of
darts thrown in the last throw of the leg to get the required 16 out
shot. The (17) would be the total darts thrown.

In other words he took 15 darts to get 485 and another 2 darts to get
the last 16 points, therefore it was a 17 dart leg.

Mitch

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Mar 28, 2004, 9:24:44 PM3/28/04
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the basic formula they use is (starting score - remaining score) divided by
total darts thrown

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Seth--B

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Mar 28, 2004, 11:47:18 PM3/28/04
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> the basic formula they use is (starting score - remaining score) divided by
> total darts thrown


Or darts that *COULD* have been thrown/unsuccessful turn?

Game 501
Player1 has thrown 12 darts has 32 left, but busts in one dart (e.g. a
wild t19 or t16), does it not still count as a 3-dart turn? Player2
finishes on his turn. Treat as if Player1 threw three darts
(allowed/turn).

Formula Player1: 501-32 = 471/15(?) = 31.4; *NOT* 471/13 = 36.2(?)

On the other hand
Player1 has thrown 12 darts has 32 left, and outs with the first dart.
In this instance, no other darts *CAN* be thrown.

Formula Player1: 501/13 = 38.5

ching ru plaew?

(Glad I never had to worry about this level of detail in playing)

--SethB

Gazza

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Mar 29, 2004, 1:14:01 PM3/29/04
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>
> Formula Player1: 501-32 = 471/15(?) = 31.4; *NOT* 471/13 = 36.2(?)
>
> On the other hand
> Player1 has thrown 12 darts has 32 left, and outs with the first dart.
> In this instance, no other darts *CAN* be thrown.
>
> Formula Player1: 501/13 = 38.5
>
> ching ru plaew?
>
> (Glad I never had to worry about this level of detail in playing)
>

Hope you never kept score either :-) 501-32 = 469.

I didn't check your long division :-)

4/10 - Must try harder :-)

Gary
www.3inabed.com

P.S. you count all 3 darts if you are with BDO and just the 1 dart if you
are with PDC - at least that's what the Lakeside announcer implied.


Mitch

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Mar 29, 2004, 11:19:40 AM3/29/04
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thats why i like the newer valley soft tip boards , yo punch in each
players ppd and it does all th ework for you., even giving yo the ending ppd


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