Larry Mathews: His Book "The Pro Approach"; his Website; his goals
LARRY MATHEWS
worked with the Top AMS and PROS, Male and Female, from 5 Continents for the
last 4 Decades. I am unknown to most of the world, so this is an attempt at
introducing myself, and what I have to offer to those of you that are
seeking to improve, and/or share my vision. I want to see Bowling as a
Permanent Medal Sport in the Olympics. My book "The Pro Approach" has sold
1000 copies to bowlers on 6 continents. It was reviewed in B.J. as One of a
Kind"!! My website is: http://www.thebowlingprofessor44.com My E-Mail
address is: l.mat...@gte.net The website has been applauded as "Unique".
Please feel free to "Check It Out", you will not be disappointed!!! Hope to
hear from some of you, SOON!!!
crazy...@my-dejanews.com
Welcome to the newsgroup. I've seen some of your articles in the Bowlingworld
magazine. I took the test at your site too, but I think you made it way too
easy. (Said I was "Ready for the Tour" -- I wish! Of course maybe I just got
lucky???)
I've got a condition I want to ask you about. I was shooting on some old wood
lanes last night. Heavy oil in the middle with carrydown, and a spotty track
area. My style is stroker, w/ maybe 10 revs, try to keep ball speed around 17
mph or less, near 90 degree axis rotation (unfortunately.
Started the night with a Black Thunderstorm, (sanded to 400 w/ a light
polish.) This ball is drilled to give me good length with a small flip at the
back. Through a few good shots early, but then left an 8-10 on a ball I threw
half-way decent.
Started really focusing on keeping hand behind ball to get an earlier roll,
and switched balls. Tried an LT-48 Gold w/ 220 sand and a light polish. Left
the 4-9 on a pretty good looking hit. Then left 8-10 on the very next shot.
(Argh!) Finally left soft 10, when I tried to swing it. (the ball was just
rolling too early, losing too much energy.) Decided there must be a small
lake on the Back end in the track area.
Went to sanded Blue Hammer for control because track was spotty and thought
it would grab better on the oily back ends. Spottiness drove me crazy, Throw
it out 1 board too far and it doesn't get back, miss 1 board inside and it's
on the nose. (I'm no Walter Ray -- can't do that board splitting stuff --
usually need 3 board area to score)
Tried to move out of track area and play 3rd arrow, and got another 8-10.
Moved outside and played up 8 rest of night and could strike on a perfect
shot, but it was tough to get it out far enough so that it wouldn't plow the
nose.
I thought about going to something with less surface, but was afraid of those
8-10's. I hadn't had one in months and then 2 in one night!
Anyway, what do you think I should have tried? I'm still trying to really
master reading lanes and conditions? Thanks!
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aeg...@pacbell.com
You should check out this guys post. It is:
A) Professional
B) Well written
C) Concise
D) To the point
E) Honest
F) Does not beg, just informs you
Please read the below post. I have not heard of Larry, but his website is
probably worth checking out. You may learn a little about making professional
bowling webpages.
If you try to emulate this type of post (emulate means copy "roughly"), you
might have another customer besides your buddy.
Not a flame, just the truth.
Alan ;-)
Larry, you were such a GOOD example of how to make a great post, I felt I had
the opportunity of showing our webboy how to properly conduct business.
Have a great day!
Alan
"LARRY MATHEWS" <l.mat...@gte.net> wrote:
> My name is Larry Mathews. I am a "Teacher" of the Sport of Bowling, I have
> worked with the Top AMS and PROS, Male and Female, from 5 Continents for the
> last 4 Decades. I am unknown to most of the world, so this is an attempt at
> introducing myself, and what I have to offer to those of you that are
> seeking to improve, and/or share my vision. I want to see Bowling as a
> Permanent Medal Sport in the Olympics. My book "The Pro Approach" has sold
> 1000 copies to bowlers on 6 continents. It was reviewed in B.J. as One of a
> Kind"!! My website is: http://www.thebowlingprofessor44.com My E-Mail
> address is: l.mat...@gte.net The website has been applauded as "Unique".
> Please feel free to "Check It Out", you will not be disappointed!!! Hope to
> hear from some of you, SOON!!!
>
>
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wayne chester
Nimbill...meet Larry
LOL
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Fran Bax
>uh oh.....we're in for a hot one now!
>Nimbill...meet Larry
>LOL
>
Larry Mathews??? California... Did the tour in the late 70s and early
80s? Silly excuse for a stand up comic..? That one???
omigawd....
we're in for it.
Fran
Fran Bax
1983 American Bowling Congress Tournament
Team Event Champion
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>Subject: Larry Mathews: His Book "The Pro Approach"; his Website; his goals
>From: "LARRY MATHEWS"
>Organization: gte.net
>Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:23:49 -0800
>Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
>
>My name is Larry Mathews. I am a "Teacher" of the Sport of Bowling, I have
>worked with the Top AMS and PROS, Male and Female, from 5 Continents for the
>last 4 Decades. I am unknown to most of the world, so this is an attempt at
>introducing myself, and what I have to offer to those of you that are
>seeking to improve, and/or share my vision. I want to see Bowling as a
>Permanent Medal Sport in the Olympics. My book "The Pro Approach" has sold
>1000 copies to bowlers on 6 continents. It was reviewed in B.J. as One of a
>Kind"!! My website is: http://www.thebowlingprofessor44.com My E-Mail
>address is: l.mat...@gte.net The website has been applauded as "Unique".
>Please feel free to "Check It Out", you will not be disappointed!!! Hope to
>hear from some of you, SOON!!!
>
>
Weren't you in "Leave It To Beaver"?
Joe Weber
That would be Jerry Mathers.
Joe W.
Mr. 7-8-9-10
>Weren't you in "Leave It To Beaver"?
No, no, no that's Jerry Matthers.
"LARRY MATHEWS" <l.mat...@gte.net> wrote:
>My name is Larry Mathews. I am a "Teacher" of the Sport of Bowling, I have
>worked with the Top AMS and PROS, Male and Female, from 5 Continents for
the
>last 4 Decades. I am unknown to most of the world, so this is an attempt at
>introducing myself, and what I have to offer to those of you that are
>seeking to improve, and/or share my vision. I want to see Bowling as a
>Permanent Medal Sport in the Olympics.
I'd like to know who the top "ams" & pros are who you worked with, since
I've never heard of you.
Michael Downey
>> "LARRY MATHEWS" <l.mat...@gte.net> wrote:
>> My name is Larry Mathews. I am a "Teacher" of the Sport of Bowling, I
>> have worked with the Top AMS and PROS, Male and Female, from 5
>> Continents for the last 4 Decades. blah blah blah blah blah blah
> I'd like to know who the top "ams" & pros are who you worked with, since
> I've never heard of you.
Ahhhhhhh...you may not know them by *name*...but they're the ones you come
across who's hands and clothing smells like lighter fluid.
You COULD send him an e-mail for a mere $2.50 of your hard earned money
and get some actual names,but rumor has it he found out there's a seventh
continent he can sell his book on,and he's already on the plane/in the air
as we read this.
Even if penguins *can't* read,he probably figures the pages (when
shredded) make for excellent nesting material that can withstand the hardy
Antarctic climate.
MHD :)
Sharon Brearey
He played the son, Richie.
Michael Downey
> There *was* a Larry Mathews in "The Dick Van Dyke Show."
> He played the son, Richie.
FINALLY,the answer to why Dick kept tripping over the footstool...
Damn house was always full of lighter fluid FUMES...the poor man couldn't
see or think straight.
MHD :)
Michael Downey
> I see this guy's book advertised in the Bowling World newspaper each month.
> Don't know anything about him though.
It's starting to look similar to those ads you see in the sports section
of newspapers on occasion advertising "magic" golf balls or clubs that
supposedly allow to to never hook,never slice,drive it 400 yards,blah blah
blah...and then you come to find out that the equipment isn't approved for
play by the USGA.
Maybe Bowling World should be alerted to the fact that Mr.Mathews
advocated the use of an illegal substance (by ABC rules) as a ball cleaner
to this newsgroup???
MHD
Bill Terry
>
> Rick Meyers wrote in message ...
>
>
>
> >My name is Larry Mathews. I am a "Teacher" of the Sport of Bowling, I have
> >worked with the Top AMS and PROS, Male and Female, from 5 Continents for
> the
> >introducing myself, and what I have to offer to those of you that are
> >seeking to improve, and/or share my vision. I want to see Bowling as a
> >Permanent Medal Sport in the Olympics.
>
> I've never heard of you.
When I was asking about the top coaches in the area Larry Matthews was
recommended by several people that were on the ASB. Their consensus was
that he had excellent knowledge of the game and could help anyone. Down
side was that his personality wasn't the greatest and he was a unabashed
self promoter. But as Mohammed Ali said if you can do it, it ain't
bragging.
--
Bill Terry
To know what is right and not do it is the worse cowardice.
~Confucius
Airbrush4u
Don't know anything about him though.
Mike
Ritger Camp is only 3 weeks away and closing :)
Remove the "NoSpam" to reply
ALSPROSHOP
>> I see this guy's book advertised in the Bowling World newspaper each month.
>> Don't know anything about him though.
>
>of newspapers on occasion advertising "magic" golf balls or clubs that
>supposedly allow to to never hook,never slice,drive it 400 yards,blah blah
>blah...and then you come to find out that the equipment isn't approved for
>play by the USGA.
>
>Maybe Bowling World should be alerted to the fact that Mr.Mathews
>advocated the use of an illegal substance (by ABC rules) as a ball cleaner
>to this newsgroup???
>
>MHD
Does the name John Handegard mean anything to you folks ?? Larry has in the
past worked with John, and John seems very happy with the information Larry
shared with him. Personally, Larry called me, at HIS expense a few times to
discuss my game, and offered me, a nobody senior pba member, the opportunity
to come to his home, stay a few days and receive coaching at no charge.
I think a lot of you have mistaken Larry Mathews good intentions with another
couple posters that espouse a know-it-all demeanor.
al
Rick Meyers
Sharon Brearey <sbre...@philly.infi.net> wrote:
>Subject: Re: Larry Mathews: His Book "The Pro Approach"; his Website; hi
>From: Sharon Brearey
>Organization: InfiNet
>Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 20:00:34 -0500
>Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
>
>There *was* a Larry Mathews in "The Dick Van Dyke Show."
>He played the son, Richie.
>
>
>
>
>Rick Meyers wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Weren't you in "Leave It To Beaver"?
Got the shows mixed up.
Larry Mathews, said he coached Marshall Holman and Mark Roth,
among other bowlers.
He toured in 75-76.
I'd probably buy his book if he accepted credit cards.
But of course, I collect bowling memorabilia.
Rick Meyers
George n Jean LaBelle
say that I bowled for years as a "donator" - read every book on bowling ever
printed, and took lessons from all the SanFrancisco Bay Area "instructors" and
didn't get anywhere until I was sent to Larry. Larry's book wasn't in
publication at that time. Except for Fred Borden and Tom Kouros' book (they
contain a few valuable tips), all the others aren't worth the paper they are
printed on! Fluff! The instructors I ran across (PBA regional players, two PBA
tour regulars and the lane manager for the tour at the time) could give tips on
one aspect of a game or another and get you "lined up" for a particular
condition, but they had no SYSTEM. Larry teaches a system! From nutrition and
conditioning through playing any shot on a lane to ball characteristics.
I had only about 3 lessons with Larry - he grills you! You want to be a player?
He's the man! Larry has a crippling disease, yet won in the PBA! Does that give
you a clue? He has to know something!
After lessons with Larry, I cashed in a PBA regional, won a scratch 8 gamer
amongst some of the best bowlers in the Bay Area, and made the semi-finals of
the PCCB several times.
George
"Mr. 7-8-9-10" wrote:
> Rick Meyers wrote in message ...
> >Weren't you in "Leave It To Beaver"?
>
crazy...@my-dejanews.com
George n Jean LaBelle <glab...@teleport.com> wrote:
> Well, I wouldn't put my name in the list of "top ams" (yet, at least), but I
can
> say that I bowled for years as a "donator" - read every book on bowling ever
> printed, and took lessons from all the SanFrancisco Bay Area "instructors" and
> didn't get anywhere until I was sent to Larry. Larry's book wasn't in
> publication at that time. Except for Fred Borden and Tom Kouros' book (they
> contain a few valuable tips), all the others aren't worth the paper they are
> printed on! Fluff! The instructors I ran across (PBA regional players, two PBA
> tour regulars and the lane manager for the tour at the time) could give tips
on
> one aspect of a game or another and get you "lined up" for a particular
> condition, but they had no SYSTEM. Larry teaches a system! From nutrition and
> conditioning through playing any shot on a lane to ball characteristics.
>
> I had only about 3 lessons with Larry - he grills you! You want to be a
player?
> He's the man! Larry has a crippling disease, yet won in the PBA! Does that
give
> you a clue? He has to know something!
>
> After lessons with Larry, I cashed in a PBA regional, won a scratch 8 gamer
> amongst some of the best bowlers in the Bay Area, and made the semi-finals of
> the PCCB several times.
>
> George
So George, have you read Larry's book? I've seen some of his columns at
Bowling World featured alongside Susie Minshew's and others so I'm open to
the possiblility that his book might be worthwhile.
I've enjoyed what I've seen of his columns.
George n Jean LaBelle
alone is worth far more than that.
George
LARRY MATHEWS
crazy...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
<7a073l$5m2$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>In article <79vuof$dt3$1...@news-2.news.gte.net>,
> "LARRY MATHEWS" <l.mat...@gte.net> wrote:
>> My name is Larry Mathews. I am a "Teacher" of the Sport of Bowling, I
have
>> worked with the Top AMS and PROS, Male and Female, from 5 Continents for
the
>> last 4 Decades. I am unknown to most of the world, so this is an attempt
at
>> introducing myself, and what I have to offer to those of you that are
>> seeking to improve, and/or share my vision. I want to see Bowling as a
sold
>> 1000 copies to bowlers on 6 continents. It was reviewed in B.J. as One of
a
>> Kind"!! My website is: http://www.thebowlingprofessor44.com My E-Mail
>> address is: l.mat...@gte.net The website has been applauded as
"Unique".
>> Please feel free to "Check It Out", you will not be disappointed!!! Hope
to
>> hear from some of you, SOON!!!
>
>http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
versed in the sport of bowling. Your question is a difficult one to answer,
for you gave no particulars on the Pin position (label, 1/2 leverage, lev.,
axis; etc). However, my first inclination is to tell you to make more 1/2
boards moves in a Zonal (2to 1 ratio) configuration, following the high or
light hits, before you make a ball change. Normally. when you have heavy
hold, minimal "Under and over" like you were experiencing can be answered
with feet/ target combinations. However, let us say, for the sake of
argument, those moves did not work; because the Blue hammer (I'm assuming
non-reactive) gave you no room right or left, it is obvious to me that you
needed to target 11 or 12, away from the dry/O.B??, cozied up against the
"Hold" but "Opened Up" 2 or 3 boards, with an "ARC POINT" of 8 or9, with a
15 Hook Rated, 400, polished, Double Leverage. This, theoretically, would
have given you room both ways, and the proper "Backends" due to the
"Carrydown". I have one other suggestion, if what I have advised does not
work: Get a hold of a good teacher and Ball Driller, and make some "Grip
Changes" to facilitate developing a much better "Speed-Turn Coefficient". I
see much of your problem as a direct result of your 17mph versus 10 revs??
You know, rumor has it, I could help!! Good Luck and Good Bowling. {By the
way, "Did I Pass Your Test???}
LARRY MATHEWS
wayne chester wrote in message
<24120-36C...@newsd-112.bryant.webtv.net>...
uh oh.....we're in for a hot one now!
Nimbill...meet Larry
LOL
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Well, I thought we would have no further communication after you turned
down my offer for lessons???
LARRY MATHEWS
Fran Bax wrote in message <36c5323b...@news.pipeline.com>...
>BOWL...@webtv.net (wayne chester) wrote:
>
>>uh oh.....we're in for a hot one now!
>>Nimbill...meet Larry
>>LOL
fortunate you don't have 2, you might then say something bad about
my------Nice hearing from a Fan; or is it Fran???
LARRY MATHEWS
Airbrush4u wrote in message
<19990212204334...@ng-fx1.aol.com>...
>I see this guy's book advertised in the Bowling World newspaper each month.
>Don't know anything about him though.
>
>Ritger Camp is only 3 weeks away and closing :)
>Remove the "NoSpam" to reply
you enjoy your time at the Ritger camp. Nice to k0now a few people
appreciate my ads; but I do wish you would check out the journalistic
aspects of "The Pro Approach"! Have you ever read any of the articles in the
"Bowling World"; Bowling Index; or "Bowlers Journal? Try them, you might
like them. Good Luck in your Bowling Endeavors.
LARRY MATHEWS
Michael Downey wrote in message ...
>> On 13 Feb 1999, Airbrush4u wrote:
month.
>> Don't know anything about him though.
>
>of newspapers on occasion advertising "magic" golf balls or clubs that
>supposedly allow to to never hook,never slice,drive it 400 yards,blah blah
>blah...and then you come to find out that the equipment isn't approved for
>play by the USGA.
>
>Maybe Bowling World should be alerted to the fact that Mr.Mathews
>advocated the use of an illegal substance (by ABC rules) as a ball cleaner
>to this newsgroup???
>
>MHD
the A.B.C. as a ball cleaner, stated clearly in their rules and regulations,
then I will no longer be able to recommend its use. I will consult with the
local A.B.C. reps as to your assertion, and get back to you. As far as your
comparative analysis of my claims, regarding my book "The Pro Approach", and
"Golf Clubs", mine is not "Tangible"; but, it is a highly regarded
"Intangible, intellectual speaking. It was reviewed by B.J., 10/96 as "One
of a Kind"! 1000 copies have been sold, by word of mouth, on 5 continents,
to some of the Top Ams and Pros, with no one, to this point, asking for a
refund, in regards to what was promised. I will tell YOU what I will do. Buy
a copy; and if you can honestly say it did not help you, I will send you a
Certified Check for $23.95, 1 Dollar more than you paid. Now, of course, you
will have to be honest in your assessment. But, I am sure, someone of such
high integrity, based upon your "Blowing the Whistle on Me and Lighter
Fluid" would never be dishonest, right??? Good Luck in all your future
endeavors!!!
>
LARRY MATHEWS
Rick Meyers wrote in message ...
goals
>>From: "LARRY MATHEWS"
>>Organization: gte.net
>>Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:23:49 -0800
>>Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
>>
>>worked with the Top AMS and PROS, Male and Female, from 5 Continents for
the
>>last 4 Decades. I am unknown to most of the world, so this is an attempt
at
>>introducing myself, and what I have to offer to those of you that are
>>seeking to improve, and/or share my vision. I want to see Bowling as a
>>Permanent Medal Sport in the Olympics. My book "The Pro Approach" has sold
a
>>Kind"!! My website is: http://www.thebowlingprofessor44.com My E-Mail
>>address is: l.mat...@gte.net The website has been applauded as
"Unique".
>>Please feel free to "Check It Out", you will not be disappointed!!! Hope
to
>>hear from some of you, SOON!!!
>>
>>
>
>
Show". But, I find it very satisfying you recognized my name. I guess I
won't know if I recognize yours, for you seem to have failed to leave an
indication in that area. Whats the matter, your namesake wasn't a "T.V.
Star"???
>
DrCBK
I've read your book [even paid for it ;-)] and I think that it is valuable
resource. It was worth every penny. Try and ignore the posters who say
negative things without either having read your book or taken a lesson from
you. There will always be a few nay-sayers whose main job in life seems to be
running down others. Your credentials as a coach have been established for
longer than most of these types have been aware that there is such a sport as
bowling. In the words of a great sage, "illegitimi non carborundum."
CBK
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LARRY MATHEWS
Mr. 7-8-9-10 wrote in message <7a2clf$t...@cyclone.cortland.com>...
>Rick Meyers wrote in message ...
>
deal with me in sarcastic and facetious banter, please get the name RIGHT:
It is Mathews, with only one "T", like both the T.V. stars you have referred
to, in a somewhat misguided effort to -----Oh well, you know what you had in
mind. At least I hope so, for a MIND is a terrible thing to------But, no
need to finish that statement. I am sure you know the rest!! By the way,
just so there is no further confusion, regarding this "Larry Mathews", I
have been on Television numerous times. However, it was as a commentator at
Martial Arts events; a Participant in Martial Arts Tournaments; and as a
Participant and Color Commentator in Bowling Events. Most of them were Cable
or Direct Feed; terms I am sure you are familiar with, based upon previous
comemtary regarding televised "STUFF"!!
>"LARRY MATHEWS" <l.mat...@gte.net> wrote:
>
>>My name is Larry Mathews. I am a "Teacher" of the Sport of Bowling, I have
>>worked with the Top AMS and PROS, Male and Female, from 5 Continents for
>the
>>last 4 Decades. I am unknown to most of the world, so this is an attempt
at
>>introducing myself, and what I have to offer to those of you that are
>>seeking to improve, and/or share my vision. I want to see Bowling as a
>>Permanent Medal Sport in the Olympics.
>
LARRY MATHEWS
Mr. 7-8-9-10 wrote in message <7a2clf$t...@cyclone.cortland.com>...
>Rick Meyers wrote in message ...
>>Weren't you in "Leave It To Beaver"?
>
>No, no, no that's Jerry Matthers.
>
>
>>My name is Larry Mathews. I am a "Teacher" of the Sport of Bowling, I have
>>worked with the Top AMS and PROS, Male and Female, from 5 Continents for
>the
>>last 4 Decades. I am unknown to most of the world, so this is an attempt
at
>>introducing myself, and what I have to offer to those of you that are
>>seeking to improve, and/or share my vision. I want to see Bowling as a
>>Permanent Medal Sport in the Olympics.
>
>I'd like to know who the top "ams" & pros are who you worked with, since
>I've never heard of you.
"Since I am a P.B.A. Champion; a Feature and Column writer for Bowlers
Journal, Complete Bowling Index, and Calif. Bowling World; the Author of a
Book reviewed in B.J. as "One of a Kind"; and one of the more respected
Bowling Teachers on the Planet, why do I feel a need to give a resume to
"Rick Mears?? I mean, your an "Indy Race Car Driver" right??? No wonder you
have never heard of me; we are not involved in the same sport!!!
>
LARRY MATHEWS
ALSPROSHOP wrote in message <19990213020857...@ng99.aol.com>...
>>wrote:
>>> I see this guy's book advertised in the Bowling World newspaper each
month.
>>> Don't know anything about him though.
>>
>>It's starting to look similar to those ads you see in the sports section
>>of newspapers on occasion advertising "magic" golf balls or clubs that
>>supposedly allow to to never hook,never slice,drive it 400 yards,blah blah
>>blah...and then you come to find out that the equipment isn't approved for
>>play by the USGA.
>>
>>Maybe Bowling World should be alerted to the fact that Mr.Mathews
>>advocated the use of an illegal substance (by ABC rules) as a ball cleaner
>>to this newsgroup???
>>
>>MHD
>
the
>past worked with John, and John seems very happy with the information Larry
>shared with him. Personally, Larry called me, at HIS expense a few times
to
>discuss my game, and offered me, a nobody senior pba member, the
opportunity
>to come to his home, stay a few days and receive coaching at no charge.
>I think a lot of you have mistaken Larry Mathews good intentions with
another
>couple posters that espouse a know-it-all demeanor.
>al
words. My intent was only to provide another educational forum for the
people at this location on the Internet. I had no idea my efforts would be
met with everything from compliments, and a person named Al defending me, to
facetious, sarcastic, and down right insulting commentary. BUT, I have been
subjected to insults and innuendo all of my life, so this is nothing NEW;
albeit, rather suprising. Prior to my involvement with these "Gentlemen", I
had the impression that most bowlers were intelligent, articulate,
individuals open to any information where educating themselves about "The
Most Difficult Sport in the World to Master" was concerned. SILLY ME!! Hey
AL, the offer is still OPEN. By the way, if you see Handegard, Winklepleck,
Minier, et al. tell them their "Friend and Teacher" said hello!!
LARRY MATHEWS
DrCBK wrote in message <19990214022729...@ng93.aol.com>...
on this site reads your glowing tribute to "A Man, His Knowledge, His
Teaching Capabilities, and His Book". And you know something, you are right,
I have been doing this "Teaching Stuff" probably before some of the
"Naysayers", that I have encountered here, were even born!!! I am proud of
my "Unblemished Record"; in regards to every person that I have worked with,
for 4 decades, has shown improvement. Are there any other"Teachers" out
there that can make that claim?? I do not know, but I know one who can!!!
Thank You, AGAIN,! I would like to close with this quote: "When a man
leaves for another place, someday, he can only take what he's given away"!
God Bless You and Yours!!
LARRY MATHEWS
aeg...@pacbell.com wrote in message <7a0ake$8lc$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>Webboy,
>You should check out this guys post. It is:
>
>A) Professional
>B) Well written
>C) Concise
>D) To the point
>E) Honest
>F) Does not beg, just informs you
>
>Please read the below post. I have not heard of Larry, but his website is
>probably worth checking out. You may learn a little about making
professional
>bowling webpages.
>
>If you try to emulate this type of post (emulate means copy "roughly"), you
>might have another customer besides your buddy.
>
>Not a flame, just the truth.
>
>Alan ;-)
>
>Larry, you were such a GOOD example of how to make a great post, I felt I
had
>the opportunity of showing our webboy how to properly conduct business.
>
>Have a great day!
>
>Alan
> "LARRY MATHEWS" <l.mat...@gte.net> wrote:
>> My name is Larry Mathews. I am a "Teacher" of the Sport of Bowling, I
have
>> worked with the Top AMS and PROS, Male and Female, from 5 Continents for
the
>> last 4 Decades. I am unknown to most of the world, so this is an attempt
at
>> introducing myself, and what I have to offer to those of you that are
>> seeking to improve, and/or share my vision. I want to see Bowling as a
sold
a
>> Kind"!! My website is: http://www.thebowlingprofessor44.com My E-Mail
>> address is: l.mat...@gte.net The website has been applauded as
"Unique".
>> Please feel free to "Check It Out", you will not be disappointed!!! Hope
to
>> hear from some of you, SOON!!!
whatever your reasons. However, as a little guy with "Broad Shoulders" and a
background in the "Martial Arts", as a Tournament Competitor and Teacher
(Sensei and Sifu) you would think I would be capable of "Fighting my own
Battles". However, with what Muscular Dystrophy and Polio have done to my
body, it is nice to know that there are still a few willing to go "Back To
Back" with me. If you are ever in need, I think you know how to reach me!!
God Bless you and yours!!!
LARRY MATHEWS
Bill Terry wrote in message <36C5019E...@earthlink.net>...
>"Mr. 7-8-9-10" wrote:
>>
>> Rick Meyers wrote in message ...
>> >Weren't you in "Leave It To Beaver"?
>>
>> No, no, no that's Jerry Matthers.
>>
>>
>> >My name is Larry Mathews. I am a "Teacher" of the Sport of Bowling, I
have
>> >worked with the Top AMS and PROS, Male and Female, from 5 Continents for
>> the
>> >last 4 Decades. I am unknown to most of the world, so this is an attempt
at
>> >introducing myself, and what I have to offer to those of you that are
>> >seeking to improve, and/or share my vision. I want to see Bowling as a
>> >Permanent Medal Sport in the Olympics.
>>
>> I've never heard of you.
>
>recommended by several people that were on the ASB. Their consensus was
>that he had excellent knowledge of the game and could help anyone. Down
>side was that his personality wasn't the greatest and he was a unabashed
>self promoter. But as Mohammed Ali said if you can do it, it ain't
>bragging.
>
>
>--
>Bill Terry
>
>To know what is right and not do it is the worse cowardice.
>
>~Confucius
Diseases, which come in all shapes and sizes, I had an opportunity to speak
to Muhammed, albeit briefly, and the thing that I admired most was his
courage. I have been accused of being Arrogant, Egotistical, Obnoxious,
Brazen, and Self Promoting. I am merely a very intelligent, articulate,
knowlegdeable, human being, who is very crippled and trying to make a living
the best way that he can to support a seriously ill wife and a 34 year old
autistic son. I will not win any popularity contests because I tell it like
it is; and most people have a real problem hearing what they need to heart,
not what they want to hear. I know that many of my best students never
really LIKED me, per say. However, asked any one of them if I had their
respect and admiration, for my knowledge and ability to relate the
particulars, and you will get a unanimous, unequivocal YES!!!!!!!! Thank You
for Your Kind Words. God Bless You and Yours!
>
LARRY MATHEWS
Michael Downey wrote in message ...
>
>>> My name is Larry Mathews. I am a "Teacher" of the Sport of Bowling, I
>>> have worked with the Top AMS and PROS, Male and Female, from 5
>
>> I've never heard of you.
>
>across who's hands and clothing smells like lighter fluid.
>
>You COULD send him an e-mail for a mere $2.50 of your hard earned money
>and get some actual names,but rumor has it he found out there's a seventh
>continent he can sell his book on,and he's already on the plane/in the air
>as we read this.
>
>Even if penguins *can't* read,he probably figures the pages (when
>shredded) make for excellent nesting material that can withstand the hardy
>Antarctic climate.
>
>MHD :)
have already sold copies to the Eskimo Bowling Federation. Oh yeah, lighter
fluid leaves NO Residue, smell or otherwise!! Also, can I safely assume you
have not read "The Pro Approach"?? For I KNOW, if you had, you would not
call it "fodder for penguins"!! By the way, since people like Don Carter,
Dick Weber, and Earl Anthony allowed me to teach some of their children
(Jim, John and Mike); and Betty Morris and Larry Laub, one of bowlings new
"Pairs" [ so happy for you both] have something in common, besides their
love for one another, thats right Robert, I'm sorry, Mike, that would be
they are both former students. But, I Digress!! I guess by this point you
must now realize that if they announced my name at a National or
International Bowling Event, Amateur or Professional, and then announced
yours, WELL, GEEZ, Mikey, I wonder which one would be recognized???? That is
a tough one, oh wizard of the "Lighter Fluid Rules", but you can have what
ever time you need to respond. God Bless you and yours, KID; for I am
absolutely sure I am not talking to a ---------ah, you know the rest, so WHY
BOTHER????
wayne chester
uh oh.....we're in for a hot one now!
Nimbill...meet Larry
LOL
Later on Larry said:
Well, I thought we would have no further communication after you turned
down my offer for lessons???
I didn't think I was speaking directly to Mr. Mathews .....
And he has never offered lessons ( unless you count him saying *Come to
me I'll make you a champion* .....That's scaring up business, not an
offer!
LARRY MATHEWS
George n Jean LaBelle wrote in message <36C5AC43...@teleport.com>...
that is very high praise, indeed!! At this point I am very emotional,
because I have been forced to defend myself by-----------, well, you fill in
the "BLANKS". Thanks for being a "Friend" as well as one of the better
students I ever had. Where is it written, that unless you have a "Resume"
that reads like a "Who's Who in Bowling, you are not Adept at your Trade.
Well, mine does read like a ------ah, but, once again I digress. See you in
the funny papers, GEORGIE BOY!! God Bless You and Yours!!
>"Mr. 7-8-9-10" wrote:
>
>> Rick Meyers wrote in message ...
>> >Weren't you in "Leave It To Beaver"?
>>
>> No, no, no that's Jerry Matthers.
>>
>>
>> >My name is Larry Mathews. I am a "Teacher" of the Sport of Bowling, I
have
>> >worked with the Top AMS and PROS, Male and Female, from 5 Continents for
>> the
at
>> >introducing myself, and what I have to offer to those of you that are
>> >seeking to improve, and/or share my vision. I want to see Bowling as a
>> >Permanent Medal Sport in the Olympics.
>>
LARRY MATHEWS
crazy...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
<7a4l71$r83$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>Bowling World featured alongside Susie Minshew's and others so I'm open to
>the possiblility that his book might be worthwhile.
>
>I've enjoyed what I've seen of his columns.
enjoying my columns. BE CAREFUL, it looks like THE YEAHS might have it over
THE NAYS!!!! Unless, of course, you count Robert Downey (isn't he suppose to
be making a movie??) and Rick Mears (isn't he suppose to be at Daytona) and
there multiple postings!! GEEZ, fellas, how many ways are there to say
YOU -------ah, but you know the rest!!!
LARRY MATHEWS
George n Jean LaBelle wrote in message <36C6243B...@teleport.com>...
>Absolutely worth while. Best $20 you'll ever spend on bowling. The
alignment system
>alone is worth far more than that.
>
>George
nasty. Geez, we cannot have Larry begin to feel good about himself, now can
we???
LARRY MATHEWS
Joe Weber wrote in message <36C4BF...@pop.inch.com>...
>Rick Meyers wrote:
>>
>> In article <79vuof$dt3$1...@news-2.news.gte.net>,
>> "LARRY MATHEWS" <l.mat...@gte.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Subject: Larry Mathews: His Book "The Pro Approach"; his Website; his
goals
>> >From: "LARRY MATHEWS"
>> >Organization: gte.net
>> >Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:23:49 -0800
>> >Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
>> >
have
>> >worked with the Top AMS and PROS, Male and Female, from 5 Continents for
the
>> >last 4 Decades. I am unknown to most of the world, so this is an attempt
at
>> >introducing myself, and what I have to offer to those of you that are
>> >seeking to improve, and/or share my vision. I want to see Bowling as a
sold
>> >1000 copies to bowlers on 6 continents. It was reviewed in B.J. as One
of a
>> >Kind"!! My website is: http://www.thebowlingprofessor44.com My E-Mail
>> >address is: l.mat...@gte.net The website has been applauded as
"Unique".
>> >Please feel free to "Check It Out", you will not be disappointed!!! Hope
to
>> >hear from some of you, SOON!!!
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>Joe W. Thank you for clearing things up for Mr. Mears. It is obvious he is
confused, He is suppose to be at Daytona, you know, for the 500. Geez, I
hope he didn't miss his ------------oh well, you know the rest!! Gosh, why
in the heck is a Race Car Driver so interested in the Sport of Bowling??
Maybe, he is contemplating a career change??? God Bless You Joe W. for
helping me to recover my good --------ah, but you know the rest!!
LARRY MATHEWS
Sharon Brearey wrote in message <36C4CEB2...@philly.infi.net>...
>There *was* a Larry Mathews in "The Dick Van Dyke Show."
>He played the son, Richie.
their--------ah, but you know the rest!!!
LARRY MATHEWS
Michael Downey wrote in message ...
>> There *was* a Larry Mathews in "The Dick Van Dyke Show."
>> He played the son, Richie.
>
>
>Damn house was always full of lighter fluid FUMES...the poor man couldn't
>see or think straight.
>
>MHD :)
>I admire your tenacity, Michael. If you put one tenth of the effort into
acquiring, and then attempting to understand, my book, that you have put
into inane, rhetorical verbiage, you might be able to carry a SOLID 195,
providing you brushed up on your spares!!
LARRY MATHEWS
Michael Downey wrote in message ...
>> On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, Sharon Brearey wrote:
>> There *was* a Larry Mathews in "The Dick Van Dyke Show."
>> He played the son, Richie.
thats why your in trouble with women, they make way too much sense out of
"THINGS"!!! Bless you my dear, you have brought a degree of decorum I
thought not possible, under these very unique circumstances.!!How can we
have so many-------ah, but some of you know the rest!!!
LARRY MATHEWS
Rick Meyers wrote in message ...
>Sharon Brearey <sbre...@philly.infi.net> wrote:
>
>>Subject: Re: Larry Mathews: His Book "The Pro Approach"; his Website; hi
>>From: Sharon Brearey
>>Organization: InfiNet
>>Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 20:00:34 -0500
>>Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
>>
>>There *was* a Larry Mathews in "The Dick Van Dyke Show."
>>He played the son, Richie.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Weren't you in "Leave It To Beaver"?
>
>Larry Mathews, said he coached Marshall Holman and Mark Roth,
>among other bowlers.
>He toured in 75-76.
>I'd probably buy his book if he accepted credit cards.
>But of course, I collect bowling memorabilia.
>
>Rick Meyers
>HEY, from a former Indy Winner, Mr Mears, I would take your check.
Although, I would need at least two forms of identification; for at this
point, I am having a hard time figuring out not who you are, BUT, WHO YOU
THINK YOU ARE!!!!!
>
>
>
LARRY MATHEWS
RIPnDaRack wrote in message
<19990214025657...@ng-ch1.aol.com>...
>Larry where do you live now?? and are you ever in the NJ, Pa area??
HEY, this sounds like a "Friendly". MAN, am I glad to find you in this here
"JUNGLE". For a minute, I felt like I was in a "Snipers Crosshairs". In
answer to your question, I do not "Get Out" MUCH!! I am very crippled by my
diseases (Polio and Muscular Dystrophy), consequently, getting in and out of
bed is very difficult; so, TRAVEL is a rare situation. I have done clinics
and Seminars Worldwide, but that was sometime ago!!!. Also, if your "VERY
SERIOUS" about your game, "Super Savers" are still available, along with
"RED EYES" which offer low rates. Due to the Illness of my wife and myself,
I can no longer offer to put people up in my home [Some very Famous Bowlers,
Martial Artists, and just "GOOD FRIENDS, in both of those Athletic Oriented
Worlds have spent time on my couch, in my Frontroom, in Campbell, California
95008 Home Phone (408) 374-3340], so you would have to get a Motel or
Hotel. There are some close to where I teach and live!! Who are you, and
what do you have in mind??? Please respond!! For, at this point in time, a
voice of reason and appreciation would be NICE, I"M POOPED!! GOOD NIGHT,
ALL!! It has been interesting, to say the ----------ah, but you know the
rest!!!
KEGLEGUY
>Got the shows mixed up.
>Larry Mathews, said he coached Marshall Holman and Mark Roth,
>among other bowlers.
>He toured in 75-76.
>I'd probably buy his book if he accepted credit cards.
>But of course, I collect bowling memorabilia.
>
>Rick Meyers
I know Marshall very well. I'm gonna check with him about Mr. Matthews claim
that he has been his coach in the past. Until then, I will withold comment on
this fellow. I just remember a conversation with Marshall about Tour coaches
and Mr. Matthews' name never came up. I'm not saying that this man is a liar.
I'm saying that my next conversation with Marshall should be enlightening.
Steve Mead
PHORVICK
some that have thorns...you haven't lived until you have been flamed by some of
the more obtuse participants in ASB ! I think it is sort of a "rite of
passage" ??
You may have entered the etherial world of ASB at a "bad time", when a lot of
participants are still agitated by some posts from people that do not seem to
be what they say, or say things that lead people to question their sincerity,
ethics, honesty etc.
Hang in there!
pdh
Keep it on the lane...
Paul Horvick
http://www.youthbowling.com
EyeShot300
>>HEY, from a former Indy Winner, Mr Mears, I would take your check.
I just surfed through this thread, and have one thing to say: Psst... Larry.
The guy's last name is MEYERS, not MEARS. Double check the spelling :)
*~Lisa~*
The TI Shuttle Leaves In 14 Days!
ICQ #1454544
Airbrush4u
I'll be at the Ritger Camp in Milpitas March 4-7. Why don't you come by and
help out Bob Rea :)
Bill Newkirk
most mail address scavenger programs aren't smart enough to catch that dodge
yet.
you can also add lines like
admin@localhost
root@localhost
postmaster@localhost
to catch some of the more nieve programmers for a while.
LARRY MATHEWS wrote in message <7a5pk2$jc0$1...@news-1.news.gte.net>...
>
>Airbrush4u wrote in message
><19990212204334...@ng-fx1.aol.com>...
>>I see this guy's book advertised in the Bowling World newspaper each
month.
>>Don't know anything about him though.
>>
>>Mike
>>Ritger Camp is only 3 weeks away and closing :)
>>Remove the "NoSpam" to reply
>Do not know how to remove the "no spam", but I hope you get my message.
Hope
>you enjoy your time at the Ritger camp. Nice to k0now a few people
>appreciate my ads; but I do wish you would check out the journalistic
>aspects of "The Pro Approach"! Have you ever read any of the articles in
the
>"Bowling World"; Bowling Index; or "Bowlers Journal? Try them, you might
>like them. Good Luck in your Bowling Endeavors.
>
>
Baxf2
>fortunate you don't have 2, you might then say something bad about
>my------Nice hearing from a Fan; or is it Fran???
>>
>>Larry Mathews??? California...
Hey Larry...Been a few years...a LOT of years!
We've shared a few laughs and some libation on occassion when you were touring
full time, and this was back when I was just started shaving. Let's
seeeee...maybe 1977.....?
You probably don't remember me personally, but I used to hang around Doug Heim,
Tommy Kress, Todd Strebel, among a few others. I used to bowl several stops in
the East. You used to tear my guts out with some of your snappy but silly
jokes and impersonaltions...some were appropriate, but yet some....we'll leave
it at that. I won't get you in trouble with the rest of this newsgroup because
I'm not so sure these fine readers are in tune with your sense of humor...at
least not like I do.
I wish you luck in your endeavors in being Professor Bowling-on-the-Internet.
Lot's of desperate souls that are looking for a little advice now and then.
Fran
Fran Bax
LARRY MATHEWS
Bill Newkirk wrote in message <7a75ef$91s$1...@east42.supernews.com>...
>you have to edit the e-mail address to get a valid one.
>
>most mail address scavenger programs aren't smart enough to catch that
dodge
>yet.
>
>you can also add lines like
>
>admin@localhost
>root@localhost
>postmaster@localhost
>
>to catch some of the more nieve programmers for a while.
have a former top 10 female PRO by the name of Diana Teeters, who owns a
company called Creative Web Desigh, that does work for some of the fortune
500 companies. Honest as the day is long, JUST LIKE ME!!! Hell, I can't
program a VCR! However, I do know one thing, Mr Newkirk, when I have
something to say, I just say it, without the use of innuendo or insult. Are
there any people on this ASB that take A MAN AT HIS WORD???? Well, hear
goes: "My book is the best on the Market from an Analytical and Mathematical
Perspective. I will give you and anyone else who doubts the validity of my
statements regarding "The Pro Approach" this OFFER!!! BUY IT, and if you can
honestly say you did not learn from its contents, I will send you a
certified check for $23.95, one dollar more than you invested, and you can
keep the book. Now, Billy Boy, do you find any "Dodging, "Editing" or
Scavenging" going on here. If so, I invite you to come to my home and we can
have a "Heart to Heart".
wayne chester
The one thing I am not, is arrogant...
I willingly admit that I got lucky one week on the PBA Tour and found
myself the surprised winner of a Tour stop..
True, I am saddened by the downward spiral that bowling is on both as a
challenge and a sport, but then again, I haven't been bowling
competitively in the US since the end of 1993.
Oh, there has been the occasional foray into the arena for an 8-gamer or
two and a brief appearance on television during the Brunswick Team
Challenge in 1997, but that's about it.
At this point in my life I really don't believe I have either the
knowledge or the physical stamina to be highly competitive...and I won't
bowl if I don't think I can compete..
Much like yourself, when you were forced to retire from bowling by your
disabilities, I am saddened to be on the sidelines...
Keep berating me and I just might get in shape and show the world that I
am a least a decent bowler.
I've always admired what you have accomplished..from the first time I
met you, way back in the mid sixties at Sports Center Bowl in San
Francisco during the Washington's Birthday Classic, to as recently as a
few weeks ago when you insulted me via e-mail when all I did was to tell
you how much I enjoyed your bowling professor website..Should I quote
your response for you and the world to see or do you remember what you
said? Earlier today, while reading through all your posts I say you
tanking someone for defending you...as I recal from our email sessions
you said you didn't need defending from ANYONE and you insulted me about
that as well..
I guess you don't understand that I'm truly a nice guy, not a ME ME ME
type like others we both know. I only told you what I had heard through
the grapevine and wanted you to realize that just maybe..there was still
time to change your demeanor and do things in a friendlier more gentle
manner. Then I might come to you for help....But I can only attack when
I'm forced up against a wall..I will not run away!
wayne
sam adams
your website, you aren't able to bowl these days. Where do you observe
bowlers at? And have you tried sending samples of your book to pro shops
via Malone or other distributors? That's where you will find the most
traffic. Or perhaps, inserting pamplets inside the boxes that contain
bowling balls.
The internet does allow you to advertise at a low low cost.
Good luck in your endeavors.
LARRY MATHEWS
BOWLDOUG wrote in message <19990215000741...@ng-fp1.aol.com>...
>What Mr Newkirk was tryin gto tell you that you attempted to flame him for
was
>in response to you not being able to get the right e-mail address in order
to
>respond to some one. it WAS HELP NOT SLANDER dumb dumb.
>
>Many add fake to the real to prevent getting spam and as he said>most mail
>address scavenger programs aren't smart enough to catch that
>>dodge
>>>yet.
>
Thank You for the information. Obviously I owe Mr. Newkirk an apology. SO,
Bill, if you are listening, I am sorry, I made a mistake due to basic
computer illiteracy. I hope you will except my most humble apology.
Sincerely, Larry Mathews The Bowling Professor/ Computer Idiot. By the way,
now I have been called two names with which I have NEVER BEEN ASSOCIATED:
FRAUD and DUMB This asb is really som -------oh well you know the rest!!
LARRY MATHEWS
EyeShot300 wrote in message <19990214204837...@ng121.aol.com>...
>Larry Writes:
>> I do not
>>understand your reference "The TI Shuttle. >Would you enlighten this
wretched
>>neophyte?
>
>TI stands for Team Internet, the group of 30 bowlers who have met through
this
>newsgroup and AOL. I am heading to Syracuse to meet up with them and bowl
the
>ABC Tournament. I'm driving three other members with me in my Dustbuster,
>errr, TransSport, so that's why I am the Team Internet shuttle :)
>*~Lisa~*
>The TI Shuttle Leaves In 14 Days!
>ICQ #1454544
there is hope for the ASB afterall. Hell, I just want to give you folks 4
decades of knowledge, accumulated as a Writer, Publisher, Columnist,
Teacher, and a "Player" of some repute. If that makes me a "Bad Guy" then I
have definitely "COME TO THE WRONG PLACE"! Oh well, it is not my FIRST
mistake, and most certainly won't be my last. YOU SEE, I do not mind the
HEAT in this KITCHEN or any other, as long as I can get the word out. BUT,
it seems a lot of you people prefer Lambasting to Learning!! SAD, very,
very, SAD!! You can catch me on the Flip Flop, Good Buddies, for it is
obvious to me I have taken a wrong turn!! God Bless You, One and All. If any
of you change your minds, and begin to think that I am not just another
self-aggrandizing Loud Mouth, you know the title of my website and my
e-mail address, as well as my home phone number. I am sorry to have wasted
your time! God only knows how little we all have left!!
LARRY MATHEWS
KEGLEGUY wrote in message <19990214090630...@ng137.aol.com>...
we had regarding Parallel and Zonal moves and what they did to the Arc
and/or the Break Point. He won Fresno the next Week, for his first title,
beating a good friend Carmen Salvino, 279 to 268 in one of the greatest
matches I ever saw. Oh yeah, just in case Mark Roths name comes up, it was a
bevel and Taping lesson. At this point, I cannot believe I even care what
any of you think!! Geez, yet another name I have NEVER been called, A LIAR.
What would be my purpose in distorting any of the occurences in my life??
You asked for names, so I gave you a few. Hell, I can give you hundreds,
but that would be as senseless as everything I have attrempted to do thus
far has been met with sarcasm, innuendo, and down right rude behavior!! Have
a nice life Steve!! Tell Marshall, I said Hi, and I think he is ----------ah
well you know the rest, we are talking about one of the best ever to play
the game!!
crazy...@my-dejanews.com
"LARRY MATHEWS" <l.mat...@gte.net> wrote:
>
> crazy...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
> <7a073l$5m2$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> >In article <79vuof$dt3$1...@news-2.news.gte.net>,
> > "LARRY MATHEWS" <l.mat...@gte.net> wrote:
> >> My name is Larry Mathews. I am a "Teacher" of the Sport of Bowling, I
> have
> >> worked with the Top AMS and PROS, Male and Female, from 5 Continents for
> the
> >> last 4 Decades. I am unknown to most of the world, so this is an attempt
> at
> >> introducing myself, and what I have to offer to those of you that are
> >> seeking to improve, and/or share my vision. I want to see Bowling as a
> >> Permanent Medal Sport in the Olympics. My book "The Pro Approach" has
> sold
> >> 1000 copies to bowlers on 6 continents. It was reviewed in B.J. as One of
> a
> >> Kind"!! My website is: http://www.thebowlingprofessor44.com My E-Mail
> >> address is: l.mat...@gte.net The website has been applauded as
> "Unique".
> >> Please feel free to "Check It Out", you will not be disappointed!!! Hope
> to
> >> hear from some of you, SOON!!!
> >
> Bowlingworld
> >magazine. I took the test at your site too, but I think you made it way too
> >easy. (Said I was "Ready for the Tour" -- I wish! Of course maybe I just
> got
> >lucky???)
> >
> >I've got a condition I want to ask you about. I was shooting on some old
> wood
> >lanes last night. Heavy oil in the middle with carrydown, and a spotty
> track
> >area. My style is stroker, w/ maybe 10 revs, try to keep ball speed around
> 17
> >mph or less, near 90 degree axis rotation (unfortunately.
> >
> >Started the night with a Black Thunderstorm, (sanded to 400 w/ a light
> >polish.) This ball is drilled to give me good length with a small flip at
> the
> >back. Through a few good shots early, but then left an 8-10 on a ball I
> threw
> >half-way decent.
> >
> >Started really focusing on keeping hand behind ball to get an earlier roll,
> >and switched balls. Tried an LT-48 Gold w/ 220 sand and a light polish.
> Left
> >the 4-9 on a pretty good looking hit. Then left 8-10 on the very next shot.
> >(Argh!) Finally left soft 10, when I tried to swing it. (the ball was just
> >rolling too early, losing too much energy.) Decided there must be a small
> >lake on the Back end in the track area.
> >
> >Went to sanded Blue Hammer for control because track was spotty and thought
> >it would grab better on the oily back ends. Spottiness drove me crazy,
> Throw
> >it out 1 board too far and it doesn't get back, miss 1 board inside and
> it's
> >on the nose. (I'm no Walter Ray -- can't do that board splitting stuff --
> >usually need 3 board area to score)
> >
> >Tried to move out of track area and play 3rd arrow, and got another 8-10.
> >Moved outside and played up 8 rest of night and could strike on a perfect
> >shot, but it was tough to get it out far enough so that it wouldn't plow
> the
> >nose.
> >
> >I thought about going to something with less surface, but was afraid of
> those
> >8-10's. I hadn't had one in months and then 2 in one night!
> >
> >Anyway, what do you think I should have tried? I'm still trying to really
> >master reading lanes and conditions? Thanks!
> >
> >-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
> >http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
> versed in the sport of bowling. Your question is a difficult one to answer,
> for you gave no particulars on the Pin position (label, 1/2 leverage, lev.,
> axis; etc). However, my first inclination is to tell you to make more 1/2
> boards moves in a Zonal (2to 1 ratio) configuration, following the high or
> light hits, before you make a ball change. Normally. when you have heavy
> hold, minimal "Under and over" like you were experiencing can be answered
> with feet/ target combinations. However, let us say, for the sake of
> argument, those moves did not work; because the Blue hammer (I'm assuming
> non-reactive) gave you no room right or left, it is obvious to me that you
> needed to target 11 or 12, away from the dry/O.B??, cozied up against the
> "Hold" but "Opened Up" 2 or 3 boards, with an "ARC POINT" of 8 or9, with a
> 15 Hook Rated, 400, polished, Double Leverage. This, theoretically, would
> have given you room both ways, and the proper "Backends" due to the
> "Carrydown". I have one other suggestion, if what I have advised does not
> work: Get a hold of a good teacher and Ball Driller, and make some "Grip
> Changes" to facilitate developing a much better "Speed-Turn Coefficient". I
> see much of your problem as a direct result of your 17mph versus 10 revs??
> You know, rumor has it, I could help!! Good Luck and Good Bowling. {By the
> way, "Did I Pass Your Test???}
Larry, you passed my test the first time I read your column. I wouldn't have
bothered asking if I didn't think it was worth my time. Thanks for your
time!
I've worked hard to cut my speed down to match my revs, so I agree with you
about that. I've moved up on the approach and am shuffling my feet now instead
of walking at normal speed and that's helped a bit. I'm leaving a lot fewer
corner pins since I slowed down.
I have the good fortune to bowl with a buddy who's an excellent bowler and
ball driller, so I've also started experimenting with surface and drills. I
mainly have leverage, and stacked leverage on my resin balls and a label
drill on the old Blue Hammer urethane. I've thought about trying a 10:30
drill to see if that would help.
Unfortunately for me it's difficult to do a whole lot with my grip. I have
very stiff fingers, so I have to keep my span on the short side with the
fingers pitched away. This makes experimenting with grip is kind of tough.
I've thought of off-setting my thumb, but my thumb's pretty stiff too. I
average in the 190's on Wed. and am up to 201 on Friday at a fairly tough
house.
When I get the money together I do go take a lesson with some local pro's.
Did you ever meet a guy named Steve Rudolph? I've taken a lesson with him
once, but we were mainly working on my release so we just did very
rudimentary stuff with lane reading.
Give me a little time and I'll try your book, Larry. I read everything I can
get my hands on about bowling and try to put it to work.
Don't get discouraged here on ASB, everybody seems like they get flamed when
they come to the newsgroup regardless of their credentials. Bryan Pursell
from Ebonite got it a while back, then Dr. Jeff Briggs, now I guess it's your
turn. There are lots of folks here who haven't said anything yet, that are
open to what you have to say, so don't let the flamers stop you. Thanks again
for taking the time to answer my questions.
EyeShot300
BOWLDOUG
Michael Downey
> I admire your tenacity, Michael. If you put one tenth of the effort into
> acquiring, and then attempting to understand, my book, that you have put
> into inane, rhetorical verbiage, you might be able to carry a SOLID 195,
> providing you brushed up on your spares!!
If the rest of you ASB'ers don't like to see urination contests...please
don't read any further. I hereby pre-apologize to any reader (with the
exception of the above noted one) if any offense is taken.
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However,if you're still here Mr.Mathews,I currently bowl in two leagues in
the Champaign,Illinois area. I'm carrying 218 in the Old Orchard Classic
on Thursday nights,and 215 in the Illini Classic at Illini Union Lanes.
Hardly an expert by any definition...but hardly falling under YOUR
preassumptions of me as a bowler,either.
At this point,given your attitude towards this group as a whole,I wouldn't
waste my time taking your book and tearing the pages out individually as a
replacement for Charmain in the midst of any forthcoming nuclear winter.
You have now officially made it to my killfile,you arrogant asshole.
Have a nice life.
MHD
BOWLDOUG
>Thank You for the information. Obviously I owe Mr. Newkirk an apology. SO,
>Bill, if you are listening, I am sorry, I made a mistake due to basic
>computer illiteracy. I
And I you. sorry for the dumb dumb label, it doesn't apply in this case and was
uncalled for on my part.
Doug
BOWLDOUG
>hank You Lisa, for the "Heads Up". Information without an INSULT; maybe
>there is hope for the ASB afterall
>ell, I just want to give you folks 4
>decades of knowledge,
snip
Don't quit, just give the advise and answer the questions is the best way
Doug
KEGLEGUY
>Subject: Re: Larry Mathews: His Book "The Pro Approach"; his Website; hi
>From: "LARRY MATHEWS" <l.mat...@gte.net>
>Date: 2/14/99 10:55 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <7a8fhv$4hg$1...@news-1.news.gte.net>
Dear Larry,
Please back up a minute and read my post! I never called you a liar. In fact ,
I said that I was not going to call you a liar. What I said was that I was
going to give you the benefit of the doubt until I spoke with Marshall about
you. However, you were so busy being a paranoid lunatic that you failed to
attempt to understand my post and responded with a very personal attack . Can
you say hypocrite Larry? Because that is exactly what you are. Apparently you
and our fifteen year old bowling ball mogul have something in common. You're
both too busy screaming about yourselves to find time to listen to anybody
else. You no longer have any credibility where I am concerned Larry. I tried to
give you a chance to be all that you have claimed to be. Now, I no longer
give a damn about you and your efforts at self promotion.
By the way, I'm not sure how Marshall is going to take the fact that you just
claimed the credit for his first win. Especially since he went out of his way
to thank charter PBA member Andy Anderson after the win and NEVER mentioned
your name at all! And yes, I do know the rest.. You're an A-hole. And even the
most knowledgeable A-holes in the world are essentially useless.
Sincerely,
Steve Mead
Jim Doran
I have been accused of being Arrogant, Egotistical, Obnoxious,
> Brazen, and Self Promoting.
Great, Larry! You will fit in ASB excellently with
those qualifications. :-))
Enjoy! FRIENDSHIP IS THE BEST PART OF BOWLING.
Jim
crazy...@my-dejanews.com
kegl...@aol.com (KEGLEGUY) wrote:
>(SNIP)
> Dear Larry,
> Please back up a minute and read my post! I never called you a liar. In fact ,
> I said that I was not going to call you a liar. What I said was that I was
> going to give you the benefit of the doubt until I spoke with Marshall about
> you. However, you were so busy being a paranoid lunatic that you failed to
> attempt to understand my post and responded with a very personal attack . Can
> you say hypocrite Larry? Because that is exactly what you are. Apparently you
> and our fifteen year old bowling ball mogul have something in common. You're
> both too busy screaming about yourselves to find time to listen to anybody
> else. You no longer have any credibility where I am concerned Larry. I tried
to
> give you a chance to be all that you have claimed to be. Now, I no longer
> give a damn about you and your efforts at self promotion.
> By the way, I'm not sure how Marshall is going to take the fact that you just
> claimed the credit for his first win. Especially since he went out of his way
> to thank charter PBA member Andy Anderson after the win and NEVER mentioned
> your name at all! And yes, I do know the rest.. You're an A-hole. And even
the
> most knowledgeable A-holes in the world are essentially useless.
>
> Sincerely,
> Steve Mead
I'm going to butt in here -- please excuse me if I'm being rude but I've got
to say something.
Maybe Larry was a little paranoid with you Steve, but look at the reception he
got with his first post. I can't even count how many people attacked him.
Yes, his initial post did sound like bragging, but the guy does know what he's
talking about and he's new to newsgroups.
Instead of finding out whether or not he could back up the talk, people jumped
all over Larry and maybe that made him feel just a little bit sensitive about
what you wrote.
Give Larry a chance, he's very knowledgable and was very kind and helpful to
me when I asked him a question and note that he didn't charge me anything to
answer it here on the newsgroup.
It seems every time we get a person who knows more than the rest of us about
some aspect of the game -- be it Brian Pursell, or Larry, or Dr. Briggs --
they get flamed off the newsgroup. Am I the only person who thinks we are
shooting ourselves in the foot?
Bonanzame
goes: "My book is the best on the Market from an Analytical and Mathematical
Perspective. I will give you and anyone else who doubts the validity of my
statements regarding "The Pro Approach" this OFFER!!! BUY IT, and if you can
honestly say you did not learn from its contents, I will send you a
certified check for $23.95, one dollar more than you invested, and you can
keep the book. Now, Billy Boy, do you find any "Dodging, "Editing" or
Scavenging" going on here. If so, I invite you to come to my home and we can
(as he picks a flower)
-------"I love me, I love not, I love me, I love me not, I love me... (pulls
out the rest of the petals) and says...."Ah Hell, only an idiot wouldn't love
me."
yeesh
bonanzame
blem bowler
Bonanzame
reply.......ahhh, but you know the rest.
Lose the attitude and you may get a great deal of joy and sense of
accomplishment from helping those you have never met. I, for one, will never
risk asking you a question due to the probable put down i feel i would
receive.Although we have never 'spoken'. I think that you insulted me at least
a dozen times. So, for now your posts carry as much clout as--------oh, you
know the rest.
bonanzame
same quality just more ecoonimical
ps. Sorry to hear about your physical problems, but your attitude is YOUR
biggest problem. We all have problems, would you be interested in hearing all
of our whining? I doubt it.
Tony Smith
People, if you don't like what these people have to say, simply ignore it... but, if
you insist on chasing them away, then the people who DO want their help, won't have
the luxury of getting it! This group can be a very valuable resource if we all let
it.
Just my $.01... damn taxes!
LARRY MATHEWS
Michael Downey wrote in message ...
an a------, even from 2000 miles away takes some "bal--". However, it is
apparent that you are not aware of the image you are projecting in this
p------ contest. A person who resorts to profanity and name calling to
articulate his or her feelings only serves to show the TRUE DEPTH of their
Ignorance. I hope God Blesses you and yours, for it is obvious that you
need all the help you can get!!!
LARRY MATHEWS
crazy...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
<7acefr$5u4$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
utilizing profanity and Name Calling to articulate his feelings . I have
many Hall of Fame inductees that I worked with at one time or another; and
NEVER have I taken credit for a single win of theirs, including Mr. Holman.
My comment regarding Fresno was merely to give you a Time Frame that would
give Marshall a strong "Frame of Reference" to facilitate you being
satisfied that He and I "Talked About The Game", and that he was very
receptive to the information that I related to him. Futhermore, I don't
really care how you or anyone else views my attempts at "Self-Promotion. I
have "THE GOODS" which enables me, unlike some people I have met, to very
effectively "Back Up" the orifice below my nose, when I am challenged by
anyone in the game to "PRODUCE". If I were in your position I would be a lot
more concerned about what I could learn from the man; and not at all
concerned about who he has or has not "Worked With in a Teaching Capacity".
It does not matter how a persons resume reads. He is either capable of
presenting information in such a way that the student finds it to be
something they can assimilate and apply!!! It is obvious to me that you feel
you already have most of the answers. It is equally obvious that you do not
understand 25% of the questions. NOT GOOD, Stevie, boy!! I hope you realize
that my SOUL PURPOSE is to EDUCATE not to Denigrate. I do not understand why
you, and the rest of the people who have "Flamed" me, are so afraid of
"Information" that could enable you and them to IMPROVE!! God Bless you and
Yours, Steve; and in case you forgot, make sure and tell Marshall that I
said "Hello", and that I have "Fond Memories" of the time we spent
conversing with, and bowling against, one another!!.
LARRY MATHEWS
Bonanzame wrote in message <19990216161610...@ng31.aol.com>...
in regards to the "Urgency" I feel where "Getting the Word Out" is
concerned. What you have read or heard is NOT INSULTS OR ATTITUDE, it is
merely a man trying to share a "Great Wealth Of Knowledge" with the world.
Because my health is so POOR, I am now in a HURRY. I want my Legacy to be MY
TACTICAL PERCEPTIONS; and how, and to whom, I was able to relate said
information. I have had 8 heart attacks in the last 11 months. They say the
next one will kill me or turn me into a vegetable. If you were in that
position and had a wharehouse full of "GOOD STUFF", wouldn't you feel a
sense of urgency??? If I come across as an arrogant asshole, as 3 people,
including you have said, SO BE IT!!! As long as I get your attention, I am
half way home. The other half is up to the individuals that I come into
contact with, and whether or not they are willing to listen. You people are
in the process of chasing away a-------Well, I guess you can fill in the
blanks, because at this point I have nothing more to say to anyone on the
ASB; and I am very sure that will make most of you quite happy. HEY, I AM TO
PLEASE!!
KEGLEGUY
Dear "Larry Boy",
Apparantly, you STILL miss my point. I tried to give you the benefit of the
doubt and you responded by attacking me and accusing me of calling you a liar.
Now, you accuse me of ignorance. You attempt to take the "high road" by
claiming that you "have the goods" and need to share them. Remove the price tag
and the high road is all yours.
As for the subject of ignorance. Attacking me for my original post (about
talking to Marshall) was a classic example of ignorance. You even quoted my
post while in the process of mis-stating my message!
I feel sorry that you are having health problems. But, I don't feel that it is
any excuse for your "in your face" style of hypocricy. Yes, I've just called
you a hypocrite. If you will take a minute to objectively explain why I am
wrong, I will take a few minutes to carefully review your argument. That's a
hell of a lot more than you did for me.
Steve Mead
Bonanzame
>merely a man trying to share a "Great Wealth Of Knowledge" with the world.
Since when do you charge a fee for "sharing"?????
You're "Muhammed Ali" pre-fight attitude is tiresome and boring.
>Because my health is so POOR, I am now in a HURRY.
Maybe you should have made better use of your time. A real "coach" asks for
nothing more than a chance to help someone. There are those that spend hours of
time here and in/on the lanes, sifting through the malarky, trying to find the
individulas that they can help the most, or even the least, just to HELP. These
individuals that, given the benefit of time, may get the chance to meet people
here and there to become a "legacy".
> I have had 8 heart attacks in the last 11 months. They say the next one will
kill me or turn me into a vegetable.<
Sorry to hear that. I died when i was nine and was revived. I have lived
differently ever since (in my 30's). I certainly don't go around antagonizing
people and charging them for my 'knowledge' in certain matters. I'm more
interested in developing relationships. I'm not here for me, I'm here for them.
That's MY attitude.
> If you were in that position and had a wharehouse full of "GOOD STUFF",
wouldn't you feel a sense of urgency???
Nope. I'd feel a sense of, "Hey, who would like to talk today, maybe i can
"SHARE" some of my experience" and possibly be remembered when I'm gone by one
more individual..
> If I come across as an arrogant asshole, as 3 people, including you have
said, SO BE IT!!! As long as I get your attention, I am half way home.<
I, personally, would rather be respected and anonymous, than known and ignored.
Good luck and "God bless" ...sounds like you are reaching for salvation and
acceptance a little too late.
bonanzame
nothing but a blem on the lane of life
Michael Downey
>> Larry Mathews wrote:
>> What you have read or heard is NOT INSULTS OR ATTITUDE, it is
>> merely a man trying to share a "Great Wealth Of Knowledge" with the world.
> Since when do you charge a fee for "sharing"?????
> You're "Muhammed Ali" pre-fight attitude is tiresome and boring.
That is not only the best "line" of this thread so far,it's the most apt
description I've seen yet of Mr.Mathews persona. I bow to the originality...
::: bowing :::
>> Because my health is so POOR, I am now in a HURRY.
> Maybe you should have made better use of your time. A real "coach" asks for
> nothing more than a chance to help someone. There are those that spend
> hours of time here and in/on the lanes, sifting through the malarky,
> trying to find the individulas that they can help the most, or even the
> least, just to HELP. These individuals that, given the benefit of time,
> may get the chance to meet people here and there to become a "legacy".
Once again,incredibly well stated.
There is NOTHING wrong with charging fees to coach someone...if someone
had the vast wealth of knowledge/experience that Mr.Mathews claims to
have,he/she would be a complete fool not to expect compensation for such a
service at some point. However,that applies to coaching and working with
someone *in person*,not by a simple exchange of information over e-mail or
the Web.
Someone early on used the analogy of an attorney charging for
advice/services,and there's no correlation between the two,IMHO. You can
call a lawyer and get sound,accurate legal cousel by virtue of the fact
most laws are fairly cut and dried as far as what they say or intend.An
attorney simply has the most expedient means to access such
information,not to mention legal expertise that might be needed to
interpret the actual language of such statutes.
>> I have had 8 heart attacks in the last 11 months. They say the next
>> one will kill me or turn me into a vegetable.
> Sorry to hear that.
As am I. It definitely gives me cause to think in terms of subsequent
postings on this thread,and cause for thought in terms of dealing with
Mr.Mathews directly inthe future,if I choose to do so.
> I died when i was nine and was revived. I have lived
> differently ever since (in my 30's). I certainly don't go around
> antagonizing people and charging them for my 'knowledge' in certain
> matters. I'm more interested in developing relationships. I'm not here
> for me, I'm here for them. That's MY attitude.
In terms of his "antagonization" of others,I would also add that I cannot
help but wonder if Mr.Mathews physical problems have also caused problems
in other areas of his well-being. It's certainly not a stretch to say that
health problems,coupled with the stress of such problems,causes one to
behave differently than before the onset of such problems.
>> If you were in that position and had a wharehouse full of "GOOD STUFF",
>> wouldn't you feel a sense of urgency???
> Nope. I'd feel a sense of, "Hey, who would like to talk today, maybe i can
> "SHARE" some of my experience" and possibly be remembered when I'm gone
> by one more individual..
In the ideal world,when a person is confronted by such calamities as
Mr.Mathews is,I'd completely agree this *should* be the case. People are
different from each other,though...and that certainly goes for
psychological outlooks on life. Maybe all of this antagonization is just
part of an "in your face" attitude to try to combat what amounts to a
clock going tick-tick-tick-tick-tick-tick..........
>> If I come across as an arrogant asshole, as 3 people, including you have
>> said, SO BE IT!!! As long as I get your attention, I am half way home.
For the record,I was one of those three. Given the many factors I've been
made aware of (since then) by reading the postings and by a friend of mine
passing on the information to me,I regret doing so in hindsight,and I
apologize to Mr.Mathews and the group as a whole for doing it.
> I, personally, would rather be respected and anonymous, than known and
> ignored.
Another incredibly fitting,appropriate "line" that has been added to this
thread...
> Good luck and "God bless" ...sounds like you are reaching for salvation
> and acceptance a little too late.
I won't say it's too late...obviously the capacity is still present to
post up and communicate with others. Given that,I guess there's always a
chance for Mr.Mathews to reanalyze himself and make ammends to those *he*
feels necessary to do so to.
> bonanzame
> nothing but a blem on the lane of life
Great sig file. :)
And by the way...a fantastic posting on this thread. I commend you for
your effort to fairly analyze the situation and bring the discussion up
from the "flame" level it was previously on.
MHD
Stephen J Nester
>There is NOTHING wrong with charging fees to coach someone...if someone
>had the vast wealth of knowledge/experience that Mr.Mathews claims to
>have,he/she would be a complete fool not to expect compensation for such a
>service at some point. However,that applies to coaching and working with
>someone *in person*,not by a simple exchange of information over e-mail or
>the Web.
Why is it not ok to charge for information having not seen someone
bowl? You've made a blanket assertion with no argument to back it up.
I don't know if I agree or disagree, so I'm not arguing with you. But
the way you've stated it as fact, to me, places upon you some burden
of proof.
Steve
>MHD
Michael Downey
I kinda wish now I had put the "IMHO" in what I said... <sigh> :)
I'm not really sure I *can* give any tangible proof to what I stated,other
than just give an overview of a personal feeling I have. That feeling
centers around what others before me have stated not only on this thread
but many previous ones: that without "seeing" a person bowl,it becomes far
more difficult to give exact advice on adjustments,ball selection,drilling
setups,etc..
Since I tend to feel that way,it's also natural that I question the
validity of charging money for that service under such a condition.
However,I'd also be the first to admit that if there *IS* actually a
"market" for the "purchase" of that information (without actually seeing
someone's style/form/speed/"game"),then my opinion becomes moot. I guess
at that point it's just one of those "what the market will bear"
situations,irregardless whether I agree or disagree with the concept on a
personal level.
I don't know if that was the answer you were looking for...like I
said,it's more a reflection of a personal opinion than it is of proof,
legal/illegal,right or wrong.
MHD
Stephen J Nester
>MHD
I more or less agree with some of the points you made (i.e., all the
"what ball should I buy" questions on ASB). But overall I think that
it's ok, after all Fred Borden has never seen me bowl but I paid $$
for his book. To extend the analogy, if I could ask him some specific
questions it might be worth an extra few bucks to me.
I wasn't trying to give you a hard time, I just felt that it begged
for more discussion.
Steve
Michael Downey
>> Michael Downey <m-do...@uiuc.edu> writes:
>> I'm not really sure I *can* give any tangible proof to what I
>> stated,other than just give an overview of a personal feeling I have.
>> That feeling centers around what others before me have stated not only
>> on this thread but many previous ones: that without "seeing" a person
>> bowl,it becomes far more difficult to give exact advice on adjustments,
>> ball selection,drilling setups,etc..
>> Since I tend to feel that way,it's also natural that I question the
>> validity of charging money for that service under such a condition.
>> However,I'd also be the first to admit that if there *IS* actually a
>> "market" for the "purchase" of that information (without actually
>> seeing someone's style/form/speed/"game"),then my opinion becomes moot.
>> I guess at that point it's just one of those "what the market will bear"
>> situations,irregardless whether I agree or disagree with the concept on
>> a personal level.
> I more or less agree with some of the points you made (i.e., all the
> "what ball should I buy" questions on ASB). But overall I think that
> it's ok, after all Fred Borden has never seen me bowl but I paid $$
> for his book. To extend the analogy, if I could ask him some specific
> questions it might be worth an extra few bucks to me.
> I wasn't trying to give you a hard time, I just felt that it begged
> for more discussion.
Hey,no problem...that's a good analogy you bring up about paying for
Borden's book (which I hear is GREAT) or other books. Even though I can't
remember the last time I purchased a bowling book,years ago I did get a
videotape put out by Marshall Holman,so I'd say that counts the same,also.
Just speaking personally again,it's easier for me to separate materials
such as books or videos that are purchased and can be referenced over and
over...as opposed to e-mails or phone calls that are far more condensed
(by necessity) in terms of time spent. To me,that's far more of a
hit-or-miss proposition,especially if there's no personal contact involved.
In my honest opinion... :)
To those that say it's worth "x" amount of money to ask Fred Borden/Larry
Mathews/<whoever> specific questions about bowling,no way am I in a
position to question that judgement,irrelevant of any opinions I've
preconceived on it.
MHD
BOWLDOUG
>I had no idea that I was "Whining". I was merely trying to paint a picture
>in regards to the "Urgency" I feel where "Getting the Word Out" is
>concerned. What you have read or heard is NOT INSULTS OR ATTITUDE, it is
>merely a man trying to share a "Great Wealth Of Knowledge" with the world.
and yet when I have defended you and even apologized directly to you through
this ng and I personal e-mail because of my mistake and admitting as much, you
try to rip me to pieces in an e-mail degradeing me and telling me to BUY MY
BOOK, which I had told you I already had.
>Because my health is so POOR, I am now in a HURRY. I want my Legacy to be MY
>TACTICAL PERCEPTIONS; and how, and to whom, I was able to relate said
>information.
No matter what anyone has said in defending you in this news group and even
complimenting you for your accomplishments, all we hear from you is the self
pity I am sick oh poor me crap
>If I come across as an arrogant asshole, as 3 people,
>including you have said, SO BE IT!!! As long as I get your attention, I am
>half way home. The other half is up to the individuals that I come into
>contact with, and whether or not they are willing to listen
yes that is all fine and true. I for one AM AN ASSHOLE and i freely admit it.
Always have been one and at the advanced age of 52 and nearing the end i will
always be one. I am accepted for who I am or rejected for it. I am what Iam.
I and many others WERE willing to listen and judge for ourselves and tried to
get others to do the same.
BUT when you tell those supporters they are full of it and missquote them, and
blame them for your problems you have gone to far.
You may be the greatest thing to come down the pike but at this stage,
personally my sir I DONT GIVE A DAMN.
> You people are
>in the process of chasing away a-------Well, I guess you can fill in the
>blanks, because at this point I have nothing more to say to anyone on the
>ASB; and I am very sure that will make most of you quite happy. HEY, I AM TO
>PLEASE!!
no, no one is chasing, someone is running
Again, I tired to be supportive of you because I felt , despite the attitude
etc, that you could be of help to many and perhaps some could return the favor
in some way. It is a 2 way street. relationships can be made through talk and
discussion, and one has been made, a very poor one.
For one who is supposed to be so well informed and have so much of a love for
the game and a so called desire to pass it on, the only thing you have done is
to unitr this NG as none before you have been able to do. for that your are the
BEST no doubt.
you have been more negative than anyone in this NG over the last year, if that
is your true goal you have succeeded. If you have a true desire to spread
knowledge of bowling around, you have accomplished only one thing in this
group, you have failed, period, and there is no one to for this but yourself.
For a self proclaimed genius you should have known better how to accomplish
your so called goal.
I am sorry, you may well be the best but after the way you treated your
supporters, and the way you attacked me in e-mail that you didn't have the
b---- to post here I can only end this with a quote from your private e-mail to
me.
You have heard from me for the last time.
the difference is that I am still hearing from you in this NG which means
what??
you will still hear from me in this NG only. Since I was supportive of you and
got slammed all I can do is acknowledge your dislike for those whose want to
learn from you and promise not to ask questions of you as you told me not to,
nor to rersponse to your idiotic post. Maybe if the rest of us did the same it
would become quiet around here again.
My suggestion is if you want to talk to this person, keep it off the NG and use
e-mail with him directly
So Long Larry, you got your first wish.
now if everyone would buy his book he would get his second wish.
the third is mine, hope they find a cure for your health problems quickly so
you will have to put up with the results of your own crap.
Doug
PS: I read the book. very good but not great
no one would loose out by reading it
NimBill
>>of our whining? I doubt it.
>I had no idea that I was "Whining". I was merely trying to paint a picture
>in regards to the "Urgency" I feel where "Getting the Word Out" is
>concerned. What you have read or heard is NOT INSULTS OR ATTITUDE, it is
>merely a man trying to share a "Great Wealth Of Knowledge" with the world.
>Because my health is so POOR, I am now in a HURRY. I want my Legacy to be MY
>TACTICAL PERCEPTIONS; and how, and to whom, I was able to relate said
>information. I have had 8 heart attacks in the last 11 months. They say the
>next one will kill me or turn me into a vegetable. If you were in that
>position and had a wharehouse full of "GOOD STUFF", wouldn't you feel a
>sense of urgency??? If I come across as an arrogant asshole, as 3 people,
>including you have said, SO BE IT!!! As long as I get your attention, I am
>half way home. The other half is up to the individuals that I come into
>contact with, and whether or not they are willing to listen. You people are
>in the process of chasing away a-------Well, I guess you can fill in the
>blanks, because at this point I have nothing more to say to anyone on the
>ASB; and I am very sure that will make most of you quite happy. HEY, I AM TO
>PLEASE!!
And all that justifies you barging into a newsgroup with participants who have
been together 8+ years and trying to tell us you know more than our collective
knowledge about anything?
We may not always agree but the collective knowledge of this newsgroup far
exceeds any single person in the worlds so back off and just read the newsgroup
for a few days without saying anything as you should have before posting the
first message.
Your feeling of urgency is not necessarily shared by the rest of the newsgroup.
You have entered a domain with no rules and are trying to impose them so are
completely out of line.
You may indeed know something I wish to know but if I have a question I'll ask
it here first because I'm sure others will also know the answer I need.
If your health is as bad as you want us to believe you should be making
arrangements for someone to take over your website. I know several folks who
didn't and their sites are still up but hopelessly outdated.
Bill Rollins in New Mexico
Wanted! Woman to dig worms, clean fish and cut bait. Must own boat, motor and
trailer and be willing to go bowling when weather is bad. Send picture of boat,
motor and trailer.
NimBill
>
>> On Thu, 18 Feb 1999, Stephen J Nester wrote:
>
>>> MHD wrote:
>>> There is NOTHING wrong with charging fees to coach someone...if someone
>>> had the vast wealth of knowledge/experience that Mr.Mathews claims to
>>> have,he/she would be a complete fool not to expect compensation for
>>> such a service at some point. However,that applies to coaching and
>>> working with someone *in person*,not by a simple exchange of
>>> information over e-mail or the Web.
>
>> Why is it not ok to charge for information having not seen someone
>> bowl? You've made a blanket assertion with no argument to back it up.
>> I don't know if I agree or disagree, so I'm not arguing with you. But
>> the way you've stated it as fact, to me, places upon you some burden
>> of proof.
>
>I kinda wish now I had put the "IMHO" in what I said... <sigh> :)
>
>I'm not really sure I *can* give any tangible proof to what I stated,other
>than just give an overview of a personal feeling I have. That feeling
>centers around what others before me have stated not only on this thread
>but many previous ones: that without "seeing" a person bowl,it becomes far
>more difficult to give exact advice on adjustments,ball selection,drilling
>setups,etc..
>
>Since I tend to feel that way,it's also natural that I question the
>validity of charging money for that service under such a condition.
>However,I'd also be the first to admit that if there *IS* actually a
>"market" for the "purchase" of that information (without actually seeing
>someone's style/form/speed/"game"),then my opinion becomes moot. I guess
>at that point it's just one of those "what the market will bear"
>situations,irregardless whether I agree or disagree with the concept on a
>personal level.
>
>I don't know if that was the answer you were looking for...like I
>said,it's more a reflection of a personal opinion than it is of proof,
>legal/illegal,right or wrong.
>
>MHD
One thing to keep in mind is that this discussion is taking place in a USENET
Newsgroup.
Newsgroups in general were established for the free exchange of ideas and
information among interested parties. First it was just scientific information
and then academia expanded it to basically all forms of knowledge when
Universities jumped in en masse in the late 1970s.
I'd say charging for an answer to a question posted in a newsgroup would be
such a severe violation of ethics as to cause many who have gone before us to
roll over in their graves.
This is the first person I recall ever posting here except for pornographers
and get rich quick scammers who charged for email so I think questioning the
ethics of it is well within reason.
Bill Terry
>
> Larry,
> I've read your book [even paid for it ;-)] and I think that it is valuable
> resource. It was worth every penny. Try and ignore the posters who say
> negative things without either having read your book or taken a lesson from
> you. There will always be a few nay-sayers whose main job in life seems to be
> running down others. Your credentials as a coach have been established for
> longer than most of these types have been aware that there is such a sport as
> bowling. In the words of a great sage, "illegitimi non carborundum."
> CBK
> **************************************************
> Voltaire was right, but then, so was Lewis Carroll.
> **************************************************
I also bought and read Larry Matthew's book. It is a valuable resource.
It compiles a lot of stuff that you could dig out elsewhere in one easy
to read manual. But once you get past the resource compilation, then you
get to the good part. The good part is that which you should learn after
you know it all. I am seriously considering, buying a few on Larry's
books to present to my youth bowlers as they grow out of our program.
So, to make a long story very short, I disagree with anyone that thinks
Larry's material is not worthwhile.
--
Bill Terry
To know what is right and not do it is the worse cowardice.
~Confucius