Plastic .177 BBs and Pellets
dor...@attglobal.net
Anyone use .177 (4.5mm) plastic BBs or pellets in their air
guns?
Any problem doing so?
Thanks.
Adam Greatrix
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> Anyone use .177 (4.5mm) plastic BBs or pellets in their air
> guns?
Not personally, but I know people who have.
> Any problem doing so?
Depends on what gun you have. If you have a soft-air gun, or a gun that's
designed to be used with them, then no problem. If you've got something more
expensive then yes.
I suppose an easy way to tell is to have a look inside the barrel of your
gun. Is it rifled (does it look like it has a screw thread inside)? If it
does then I certainly wouldn't use plastic bullets in your gun, or anything
that wasn't a specifically designed lead (or lead substitute) pellet for air
guns. The rifling grips the pellet and makes it spin in order to make it
shoot straighter (any error in flight caused by defects in the pellet occur
in all directions as it spins thus cancelling the effect). Lead is a natural
lubricant (that's one of the reasons it used to be added to fuel for cars
until health issues caused unleaded to appear) and it is soft. As a result
it does not damage the rifling of your gun when it is squashed against and
into it when it is fired. Anything harder than lead (such as the steel in
darts) or anything that isn't soft like lead will either damage the rifling
of your barrel, or bits will flake or break off and eventually clog it up.
If your gun barrel isn't rifled, then it's probably ok assuming that they
fit and don't jam in the barrel.
At the end of the day, does it say in the instructions that you can use BBs?
Was it designed to?
Adam
Anthony E Anson
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> Lead is a natural
> lubricant (that's one of the reasons it used to be added to fuel for cars
> until health issues caused unleaded to appear)
So what did they do? They reintroduced Benzene, which is many times more
dangerous than lead, and was removed from petrol in the (IIRC) late
sixties because of its highly carcinogenic qualities.
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Adam Greatrix
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> .177 Plastic BBs????? can you get these in UK
Don't know if you can get .177 plastic spherical BBs in UK, but I do know
you can get cheap plastic .177 ammo from a lot of gun shops. I used to have
a Gat gun (who didn't?) which could fire darts, steal BBs, or .177 pellets.
I bought some plastic .177s for it which were glow in the dark and looked
ace when fired at night.
Adam
Adam Greatrix
> dangerous than lead, and was removed from petrol in the (IIRC) late
> sixties because of its highly carcinogenic qualities.
True, but all new cars built since 1986 that have a catalytic converter will
remove these once it gets to 400C or above. However that does take some
time.
Cats built since 1986 have a small carbon canisters in the vehicle vapour
recovery system which remove these volatile organic compounds.
Unleaded fuel is actually about 50% aromatic additives. They are the
replacements for the lead lubricant I mentioned in my post, and to increase
the performance. They are: dimethylbenzene, mesitylene, toluene, xylene and
benzene. Each is a carcinogen.
So there you go...
Adam
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can get them. I mail ordered them earlier this week from
"ChambersGunmakers.co.uk" (don't hve the exact URL handy).
You'll do better than I costwise since it costs as much to
ship them to me in the USA as the BBs cost. They also have
plastic pellets that I ordered.
I have 4 Crossman air guns, two of which are CO2 pistols and
two rifles. My son is into airsoft and I figured he could
try the plastic BBs in one of my guns. One of the pistols
is a BB repeater and that is probably what he'll use.
I'm not sure which of the air guns is rifled. One poster
here suggested not using plastics in rifled barrels.
Good luck.
dor...@attglobal.net
I'd like to hear from someone who has firsthand experience
in using .177 cal. plastic BBs or pellets.
All of the air guns in which I plan to use the plastic BBs
are Crossman guns designed for lead pellets or BBs. The
plastic BBs are hard to find and may have been introduced by
"ChambersGunmakers.co.uk" as a competitor to 6mm airsofts.
All of the airsoft guns my son has bought have been pretty
much junk. So instead of spending big bucks on more airsoft
guns I figured we would try to find plastic BBs as an
alternative. He won't use them in any of the high velocity
air guns inasmuch as that could prove dangerous.
Anthony E Anson
from "Adam Greatrix" <exto...@nospam.hotmail.com> contains these words:
> True, but all new cars built since 1986 that have a catalytic converter will
> remove these once it gets to 400C or above. However that does take some
> time.
> Cats built since 1986 have a small carbon canisters in the vehicle vapour
> recovery system which remove these volatile organic compounds.
> Unleaded fuel is actually about 50% aromatic additives. They are the
> replacements for the lead lubricant I mentioned in my post, and to increase
> the performance. They are: dimethylbenzene, mesitylene, toluene, xylene and
> benzene. Each is a carcinogen.
> So there you go...
...You inhale them every time you fill up. I wonder whose bright idea ...
Charles Shannon Hendrix
> Don't know if you can get .177 plastic spherical BBs in UK, but I do know
> you can get cheap plastic .177 ammo from a lot of gun shops. I used to have
> a Gat gun (who didn't?) which could fire darts, steal BBs, or .177 pellets.
What's a Gat gun?
Charles Shannon Hendrix
>
> "Anthony E Anson" <a...@seesig.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> So what did they do? They reintroduced Benzene, which is many times more
>> dangerous than lead, and was removed from petrol in the (IIRC) late
>> sixties because of its highly carcinogenic qualities.
>
> True, but all new cars built since 1986 that have a catalytic converter will
> remove these once it gets to 400C or above. However that does take some
> time.
>
> Cats built since 1986 have a small carbon canisters in the vehicle vapour
> recovery system which remove these volatile organic compounds.
>
> Unleaded fuel is actually about 50% aromatic additives. They are the
50% is an awfully high number...
Adam Greatrix
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First site I found on Google, says almost word for word what I said:
http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/1995/174/174p11.htm
Adam
Adam Greatrix
First site I found on Google:
http://www.bbguns.co.uk/acatalog/AG4.jpg
That's a Gat gun... It was very popular among teenagers (and possibly still
is?) about 10 years ago. It came in a box with some corks, a load of darts,
and about 10 .177 pellets and cost about £15 to £20. IIRC, it was a low
powered spring powered air pistol that you cocked by pushing the silver
coloured bit at the end of the barrel hard against something so that it
pushed back about an inch or so, compressing the spring. You then either
shoved a cork in the front, or unscrewed the silver bit at the back and
loaded a dart or a pellet. It wasn't very powerful but would leave a bit of
a bruise if somebody shot you with it with a lead pellet loaded.
Adam
dor...@attglobal.net
INTERNET.
Gasoline is virtually all VOC, but definitely not in the
proportions the article mentioned. That would be a real
witch's brew. Folks would be dying all over.
Charles Shannon Hendrix
The highest legal concentration of VOCs in US gasoline is 40% by volume.
Gasoline varies wildly from brand to brand, and product to product.
The same refinery's output will even vary from week to week, which is
why product composition is given as ranges. I checked Shell, Chevon,
and Exxon. Most of them are around 20% VOCs, depending on the exact
formulation, etc.
Unleaded gasoline is 60-80% saturated hydrocarbons, like parrifins and
cycloparaffins. The rest is aromatic hydrocarbons, xyline, toluene,
1,2,4-trimethylbyenzene, ethyl benzine, and benzyne.
You think this is somehow worse than leaded gasoline.
Well, I got news for you: leaded gasoline has roughly the same chemical
composition as unleaded. Yes Virginia, our savior, leaded gasoline, has
the same amount of VOCs as unleaded.
You see, gasoline isn't a chemical compound, and neither is oil. They
are a mixture of the products of decomposition. Gasoline, all forms
of it, is merely refined oil. The major thing is to remove the heavy
carbons to lower pollution and increase explosive power.
That's why cars make (mostly) invisible pollution, and oil-burning ships
make black pollution.
The actual additives that are put artificially into gasoline are rather
low by percent volume.
Now, to get back to air guns, I used *OIL* on mine today, and that means
that I have at least a few VOCs (since even refined oil has some) in my
Daisy 880 rifle... :)
Charles Shannon Hendrix
>
> "Charles Shannon Hendrix" <sha...@news.widomaker.com> wrote in message
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>> In article <b7p75...@enews1.newsguy.com>, Adam Greatrix wrote:
>>
>> What's a Gat gun?
>
> First site I found on Google:
> http://www.bbguns.co.uk/acatalog/AG4.jpg
OK... I found a few sites, mentioning rather different guns.
When I was a kid, a man down the street had what he called a GAT gun.
It was a freon powered .177 cal machine gun.
That's why I asked what a GAT gun was.
Anthony E Anson
from Paul Matthews <pa...@cattytown.me.uk> contains these words:
> Charles Shannon Hendrix wrote:
> >When I was a kid, a man down the street had what he called a GAT gun.
> >It was a freon powered .177 cal machine gun.
> >
> >That's why I asked what a GAT gun was.
> The original Gat gun was a push in barrel gun. You push the barrel in,
> unscrew
> the little plug at the back and push in a pellet or dart and put the
> plug back.
> You pull the trigger and the barrel springs back out
> http://www.airpistol.co.uk/images/gnatgun.jpg now sold as the gnat.
> I think they are a glorified catapult.
I think the original name 'gat' was applied to a pistol, especially a
revolver, from the revolving Gatling machine-gun.
Alan g
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>from Paul Matthews <pa...@cattytown.me.uk> contains these words:
>> Charles Shannon Hendrix wrote:
>
>> >When I was a kid, a man down the street had what he called a GAT gun.
>> >It was a freon powered .177 cal machine gun.
>> >
>> >That's why I asked what a GAT gun was.
>
>> The original Gat gun was a push in barrel gun. You push the barrel in,
>> unscrew
>> the little plug at the back and push in a pellet or dart and put the
>> plug back.
>> You pull the trigger and the barrel springs back out
>> http://www.airpistol.co.uk/images/gnatgun.jpg now sold as the gnat.
>
>> I think they are a glorified catapult.
>
>I think the original name 'gat' was applied to a pistol, especially a
>revolver, from the revolving Gatling machine-gun.
The name 'gat' was early american slang for a handgun. Became known in
the UK through US gangster films of the 30s and 40s. A man called
Harrington designed the original gat air pistol in the 50s. He died
about 3 years ago.
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