Which Korean PCP is best???

Arthur Kendrick

unread,

Sep 2, 2003, 5:44:03 PM9/2/03

to

Have been researching these Asian PCP's, mostly from Pyramyd Air's website.

I'm a left handed shooter looking for a powerfull PCP airgun in .22 calibre
for pest control ( rabbits, groundhogs, skunks, beavers).

Anybody know of any definitive comparisons (or where I can find some) for
the following:

*Career 707 - .22 cal
*Career 300 - .22 cal
*Saver 7000 - .22 cal
*Sumatra 2500 - >22 cal
*AR6 Hunting Master - .22 cal

How do these Asian weapons compare to the European models? Performance-wise
and quality-wise???

Also - where can I get a cheap chronograph for testing air rifles?

Any comments, help much appreciated.
Prefer direct e-mail if possible: aewke...@sympatico.ca

Arthur Kendrick
Ontario, Canada

Trevor Jones

unread,

Sep 2, 2003, 7:23:49 PM9/2/03

to

The asian guns are generally well built, but not to the standards of
finish that the Euro guns are built to.
Performance is generally pretty good for the price.

A chrono will set you back a bit over a hundred bucks through a gun or
hunting type store.

As you will have to have a FAC to buy one (capable of 500 plus FPS) ,
and it is treated as a firearm for all other intents, you would do as
well to get a .22 and use shorts for pest control.

Cheers
Trevor Jones

Joe

unread,

Sep 2, 2003, 11:03:25 PM9/2/03

to

I have used both the .22 Career carbine and the .22 Saver 505. Neither one
is worth much unless it is tuned, then both are powerful, accurate and loud.
I prefer the Saver as it is much lighter and balances far better for me.
This thing is shooting 28g pellets at nearly 1000fps, I get 25 good shoots.
Does nicely at 70 yards. I love the Saver. Have Metalworkdesigns do your
tuning . He is a genius with these Korean air rifles.
airguns.meta...@netzero.net.

"Arthur Kendrick" <aewke...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:1b85b.1857$I_2.2...@news20.bellglobal.com...

Joseph Oberlander

unread,

Sep 3, 2003, 3:39:22 AM9/3/03

to

Joe wrote:
> I have used both the .22 Career carbine and the .22 Saver 505. Neither one
> is worth much unless it is tuned, then both are powerful, accurate and loud.
> I prefer the Saver as it is much lighter and balances far better for me.
> This thing is shooting 28g pellets at nearly 1000fps, I get 25 good shoots.
> Does nicely at 70 yards. I love the Saver. Have Metalworkdesigns do your
> tuning . He is a genius with these Korean air rifles.
> airguns.meta...@netzero.net.

Forget those clunkers.

Get a .50 cal quackenbush rifle if you want high-power shooting.
$500 and built with quality and very accurace.

Joseph Oberlander

unread,

Sep 3, 2003, 3:40:52 AM9/3/03

to

Arthur Kendrick wrote:
> Have been researching these Asian PCP's, mostly from Pyramyd Air's website.
>
> I'm a left handed shooter looking for a powerfull PCP airgun in .22 calibre
> for pest control ( rabbits, groundhogs, skunks, beavers).

Groundhogs, skunks, and *beavers*? large bore air rifle or a .22LR.

An airgun on a skunk? That's almost inhumane - and a beaver?

Joe

unread,

Sep 3, 2003, 7:49:34 AM9/3/03

to

Joe: I cannot agree with you on this. The DAQ's are great guns and great
values, but they give very few shots. My DAQ .25 Bandit got maybe 7 good
shots at 80fpe. The Saver gets 25 good shots the first 10 at 60 fpe and it
is a 6 shot repeater. They are different guns, both of them very good. My
Bandit was transformed into a 6mm by MWD. It now gets 15 good shots at
80fpe.

"Joseph Oberlander" <josephob...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3F559A71...@earthlink.net...

Joseph Oberlander

unread,

Sep 3, 2003, 8:08:16 AM9/3/03

to

Joe wrote:
> Joe: I cannot agree with you on this. The DAQ's are great guns and great
> values, but they give very few shots. My DAQ .25 Bandit got maybe 7 good
> shots at 80fpe. The Saver gets 25 good shots the first 10 at 60 fpe and it
> is a 6 shot repeater. They are different guns, both of them very good. My
> Bandit was transformed into a 6mm by MWD. It now gets 15 good shots at
> 80fpe.

Sounds nice. Of course, the OP wants it to kill skunks and beavers,
so 50+ FPE is still even almost too light. I'd load a CCI Stinger
or simmilar into my .22 instead.

Arthur Kendrick

unread,

Sep 4, 2003, 9:31:29 AM9/4/03

to

Actually Joseph, I've nailed a fair amount of skunks, rabbits and racoons
with my HW80 and Baracuda pellets. They rip the hell out of my corn patch.
But my principal reasons for wanting a more powerful PCP airgun are more
psychological. (1) I've never owned a PCP, and (2) my place is right across
the bay from a large B&B, who may get a bit touchy about the noise. If
they 'phoned me to complain I could always say "Oh, its O.k. its only an
airgun!". But I'm looking hard at low-noise .22 Rimfires, with a longer
barrel. (Where the hell can one find a .22 with a 26" barrel these days?)

My biggest problem is the beavers. They chew up my fruit trees (and others)
and nothing I do seems to stop them. The Wildflife Officer from the
Ministry advised me to shoot them, so that's what I plan to do. Any help
much appreciated.

Arthur Kendrick

"Joseph Oberlander" <josephob...@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:3F559AC...@earthlink.net...

Steve

unread,

Sep 4, 2003, 10:30:19 AM9/4/03

to

I know a friend who has a Career 707 which is tuned to 80ft /lbs and the
shots go supersonic. (sounds pretty cool !!)

At this power setting it is just like using a rimfire.

I think it is Thailand that calls the Career "The Monkey gun", as it is
illegal to own and use a firearm but perfectly ok to own an air rifle, the
locals shoot monkeys with them - killing them outright !!

Each is to their own I suppose but if that sort of power is available, I
guess a skunk or a beaver aint going to know much about what hit it !!!

Or if that doesn't do the job, perhaps you could buy a British gun instead.
Say the Stalker Puma, another precharged gun which can be tuned to around
350ft /lbs. In real speak, that would stop a buffalo. But forget .22 this is
.50 calibre - but still an air gun !!!

Maybe enough change from $5000 to get some pellets with it too :-)

Steve

Homepage: http://www.stevebb.com
Email: st...@stevebb.com

Joseph Oberlander

unread,

Sep 4, 2003, 11:39:26 AM9/4/03

to

Barnes makes a simmilar range of guns up to 650 ft-lbs(yow!)

Quackenbush makes more reasonable .223 powered .50 cal airgun. ~250 ft-lbs.
$495 last I checked his prices. Pretty reasonable and if it's going to
be as loud as a .22 anyways...

Also, Air Arms makes their S400 series. It has an integrated silencer
in the barrel(non-removeable fancy porting system - so legal) that
drops the noise to typical spring-piston levels.

Mitch Haley

unread,

Sep 4, 2003, 5:30:33 PM9/4/03

to

Joseph Oberlander wrote:
> Barnes makes a simmilar range of guns up to 650 ft-lbs(yow!)

But those are not the most powerful airguns in the USA:
http://www.worldchampionshippunkinchunkin.com/

What happened to SSE's LoCat webpage?
Those things can hurl a grenade a lot farther than
anybody has ever shot a pumpkin.

Mitch.

John Cowart

unread,

Sep 5, 2003, 3:48:03 PM9/5/03

to

Arthur Kendrick wrote:
>
> (Where the hell can one find a .22 with a 26" barrel these days?)

http://www.uberti.com/firearms/Rolling-Blocks2.tpl

John Cowart

al brown

unread,

Sep 5, 2003, 4:46:26 PM9/5/03

to

.22 with a 26 inch BBL = Kimber, Cooper, maybe Anschutz. Most Bolt actions
will have 22" now, which is still pretty quiet. But, with my 26" Winchester
69A, A CB makes no noise, just the clink of the firing pin hitting the
shell, and sends a 29 grain solid at over 700 F/s.
Good luck hunting!
BigAl in Alabama

"Arthur Kendrick" <aewke...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message

news:m9H5b.10737$Kj.10...@news20.bellglobal.com...

al brown

unread,

Sep 5, 2003, 4:54:59 PM9/5/03

to

Excellent Suggestion, John and very fine taste you have there!
I might have to look for one of these myself.
Which of the A.C.Doyle novels had Holmes sitting in his parlor smoking his
opium and shooting an Indian Head design into the plaster with a parlor
pistol, while conversing with Watson. The rolling block pistol looks like
just the ting to pop CBs into the fireplace with!
Big al in Birmingham AL

"John Cowart" <cow...@compuserve.com> wrote in message
news:3F58E873...@compuserve.com...

Joseph Oberlander

unread,

Sep 5, 2003, 9:37:07 PM9/5/03

to

al brown wrote:
> .22 with a 26 inch BBL = Kimber, Cooper, maybe Anschutz. Most Bolt actions
> will have 22" now, which is still pretty quiet. But, with my 26" Winchester
> 69A, A CB makes no noise, just the clink of the firing pin hitting the
> shell, and sends a 29 grain solid at over 700 F/s.
> Good luck hunting!

Note - 700fps is roughly equal to a PCP air rifle in .22 Cal.

$80-100 for an old .22 single-shot bolt-action. $30-$40
for a set of peep sights or a small laser scope/dot.

$3 or so for a box of 50 CB rounds.

No pumping, no filling, no noise. And the sky's the limit for
power and larger creatures. The CCI Stinger puts out over 150ft-lbs
of energy.

Joseph Oberlander

unread,

Sep 5, 2003, 9:39:54 PM9/5/03

to

Oooo. I smell a .22K-Hornet conversion ;) Nice.

Are they decently accurate?

Arthur Kendrick

unread,

Sep 8, 2003, 10:07:37 AM9/8/03

to

Just found an old cheap single-shot Canadian bolt-action COOEY (Winchester)
Model 75 in .22 S, L, & LR with 27 inch brl. Awfull trigger pull, long and
creepy? Can anything be done about this? Also, no provision for scope
mounting. But, seems to group fairly well when I can see the sights right.
And it is VERY quiet with CB's and shorts . Need some means of mounting a
scope. What's this "laser scope/dot" thing you mentioned? Tell me more?

Arthur Kendrick

"Joseph Oberlander" <josephob...@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:3F593A08...@earthlink.net...

Joseph Oberlander

unread,

Sep 8, 2003, 5:41:30 PM9/8/03

to

Arthur Kendrick wrote:
> Just found an old cheap single-shot Canadian bolt-action COOEY (Winchester)
> Model 75 in .22 S, L, & LR with 27 inch brl. Awfull trigger pull, long and
> creepy? Can anything be done about this? Also, no provision for scope
> mounting. But, seems to group fairly well when I can see the sights right.
> And it is VERY quiet with CB's and shorts . Need some means of mounting a
> scope. What's this "laser scope/dot" thing you mentioned? Tell me more?

Reminds me of my old Iver Johnson .22 - I had to find an old pair
of Winchester-type .22 lever action scout scope mounts.

These mount around the barrel. Ugly as sin, but effective.

Another method would be to drill and tap the thing, or get
some custom bands made (though that would require some woodworking
as well)

Mitch Haley

unread,

Sep 8, 2003, 5:59:57 PM9/8/03

to

Arthur Kendrick wrote:
>
> Just found an old cheap single-shot Canadian bolt-action COOEY (Winchester)
> Model 75 in .22 S, L, & LR with 27 inch brl. Awfull trigger pull, long and
> creepy? Can anything be done about this? Also, no provision for scope
> mounting.

Cheap? The US government used to sell them surplus for $50 or so, but
that was decades ago. You might be quite surprised if you consult
a used gun price guide. You've got quite a collector's item there.

Trigger is single stage, with only one adjustment, I believe it's
return spring tension. A gunsmith should be able to improve it
quite a bit from what you describe, I don't think the adjusting
screw will help yours a whole lot.
Most were factory drilled for scope mounts, but you need a very
long scope to use them. Drilling extra holes can take hundreds of
dollars off the value in the US market. If you have the original
Lyman peep sight, that should be more than adequate for most
uses at rimfire range.

Mitch

al brown

unread,

Sep 9, 2003, 12:41:24 AM9/9/03

to

Hang on to the 75 Arthur!
of the Model 52, 75, and 69 the 75 is the most rare and brings the highest
collector value.
I'd take it to a good appraiser and see what it's worth before drilling it.
Al Brown

"Arthur Kendrick" <aewke...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message

news:j307b.3025$k81.1...@news20.bellglobal.com...

Budman Cruz

unread,

Dec 29, 2023, 7:12:36 PM12/29/23

to