Do UCP or Scientology create DOUBT?
KONCHOK PENDAY
DATE: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 08:51:04 GMT
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POSTER: Mach <mac...@eurosport.com>
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Mach:
> >> I don't know much about either UCP or Scientology.
> >> I have tried the first a few times,
Someone:
> > how did you do with it ?
Mach:
>I got that solo processing overall requires a
>great degree of trust in the actual process.
NOT TRUE AT ALL!
DOING UCP *DEVELOPS* trust in the process
as you SEE your forward process. How could
you possibly have trust before you see results?
>Also, in UCP's case it also
>requires a great deal of trust in yourself,
NOT TRUE AT ALL!
UCP *DEVELOPS* TRUST IN YOURSELF,
AS YOU SEE YOU *CAN* HANDLE THINGS!
>because you handle whatever mindstuff
>that comes up, not running down a list.
Yes!
You DO handle it!
>Without this trust, I found it somewhat difficult to do UCP,
The trust comes only AFTER you
have consistently observed results.
Simply consider UCP experimental,
in your own universe at least, until
you have *OBSERVED* progress.
>simply because what mindstuff that came up
>for me to run didn't seem important to me,
"Your thoughts are not important."
Sounds like TREASON to me.
WHOSE thoughts ARE
important to you . . .
IF NOT YOUR OWN?
>and the process didn't seem -
>complicated- enough to actually work .
Oooops!
WHO said things must be complicated
to work? I say the exact OPPOSITE.
Did you READ "N-Lightenment Now!"? . . .
"UCP is so radically simple that people often dismiss it with no
testing because they incorrectly imagine something must be
complex to be powerful and effective. In fact, just the opposite
is true. The more complex a methodology or procedure is, the
more limited and narrow it becomes, the less utility it has, and
the faster you must throw it away and find another practice with
some "bite", interest, or effectiveness to make further progress."
>In my opinion it takes some guts to sit yourself down
>and handle whatever comes up, through and out, UCP or not.
YES!
I AGREE!
Although it takes *LESS* guts with UCP,
. . . BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY WORKS!
>Especially if you aren't taking notes--doing it only
>for yourself.
WHO is preventing you from taking notes?
>Imo, doing UCP solo isn't a bad practice
>at all, but it may not be for everyone.
OK!
It's just for those planning to
shortly become bodhisattvas!
>I'm sure opinions vary. :-)
>
>Mach
I'm sure too!
Thanks for writing!
O
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KONCHOK PENDAY
DATE: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:01:26 +0900
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KONCHOK PENDAY <K...@net-prophet.net>:
>> UCP *DEVELOPS* TRUST IN YOURSELF,
>> AS YOU SEE YOU *CAN* HANDLE THINGS!
Naoya Kinjo <mg...@hotmail.com>
>Well, in some cases, it did not, as is obvious from the fact that
>there are those who do not see UCP as universally workable.
There are six billion of those!
Plus a few lecturing on that!
But they don't *DO* UCP!
They merely lecture . . .
Even if they do something
ELSE and CALL IT UCP!
The only people who *KNOW*
ucp works are those who do it.
Thanks for writing.
O
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M.T. Suit
KONCHOK PENDAY wrote:
Sir, I am bothered by your last statement. Your argument is less than
specious. Any huckster could say the same thing, with as much truth and
as much meaning. "The only people who *KNOW* UFO-ology works are those
who do it." I expect better of you.
It seems to me that there is indeed something to be gained from a
religion or philosophy that is so outrageous or so pompous that none
other than a true idiot believer could long endure it. It is so, so
easy to see that other people dearly hold ridiculous beliefs. After
all, they oppose the ones you hold so they must be ridiculous. It is
somewhat harder, though, to look into a mirror and find out that yours,
too, might be just as silly.
Should one finally expose ones shamness to oneself (No one else can do
this.), one has many choices. One is to start crying, again. Another
is to start laughing -- is there no limit to shamosity?
In either case, one might well honor ones past false beliefs at least to
the extent that, in their grand and magnificent falsehood, they have
pointed towards truthhood, should such a word or thing even exist.
I have no bone to pick with UCP-ology or, for that matter, any other
practice, religion, -ology or philosophy. However, should one wish to
defend one or another, one should defend well. I wish you well, and
quite enjoy seeing your name in capital letters.
~mt
KONCHOK PENDAY
DATE: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:26:14 GMT
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KONCHOK PENDAY <K...@net-prophet.net>:
>>>>UCP *DEVELOPS* TRUST IN YOURSELF,
>>>>AS YOU SEE YOU *CAN* HANDLE THINGS!
Naoya Kinjo <mg...@hotmail.com>
>>>Well, in some cases, it did not, as is obvious from the fact that
>>>there are those who do not see UCP as universally workable.
KP:
>> There are six billion of those!
>>
>> Plus a few lecturing on that!
>>
>> But they don't *DO* UCP!
>>
>> They merely lecture . . .
>>
>> Even if they do something
>> ELSE and CALL IT UCP!
>>
>> The only people who *KNOW*
>> ucp works are those who do it.
>>
>> Thanks for writing.
>>
>>
>> O
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M.T. Suit:
>Sir, I am bothered by your last statement.
OK!
Ever felt like that before? :-)
>Your argument is less than specious.
My "argument" is not an argument.
It is a REPORT of my observations.
>Any huckster could say the same thing,
>with as much truth and as much meaning.
No matter who says it . . .
it has the same amount of truth.
The only way you can determine
whether UCP works for you is by
doing it yourself. Only those who
DO know. Others just wank on.
>"The only people who *KNOW*
>UFO-ology works are those who do it."
Undoubtedly true!
*IF* it works at all!
There is no doubt
that UCP works.
If you don't believe
those who DO ucp,
*BE* one of them!
>I expect better of you.
Then your expectations are hallucinatory.
Better match them up to WHAT IS.
The best way to do that is UCP.
>It seems to me that there is indeed something to be gained from a
>religion or philosophy that is so outrageous or so pompous that none
>other than a true idiot believer could long endure it.
WHAT might that be?
>It is so, so easy to see that other people dearly hold ridiculous beliefs.
Yes. At least some of them.
>After all, they oppose the ones you hold so they must be ridiculous.
That is your belief about my beliefs.
You may believe that is not ridiculous.
What you do
is up to you.
>It is somewhat harder, though, to look into a mirror
>and find out that yours, too, might be just as silly.
EXACTLY MY POINT!
UCP MAKES THAT POSSIBLE!
*DO* UCP AND SEE!
>Should one finally expose ones shamness to oneself
>(No one else can do this.), one has many choices.
Yes. I agree with that.
>One is to start crying, again. Another is to
>start laughing -- is there no limit to shamosity?
Sure.
UCP travels through shamosity on the way up,
but you don't have to get off and live there.
>In either case, one might well honor ones past false beliefs at least to
>the extent that, in their grand and magnificent falsehood, they have
>pointed towards truthhood, should such a word or thing even exist.
One might EXAMINE their past and present beliefs,
and re-evaluate their truth or falsehood on demand.
>I have no bone to pick with UCP-ology or, for that matter,
>any other practice, religion, -ology or philosophy.
I have bones to pick in every carcass!
>However, should one wish to defend
>one or another, one should defend well.
As well as possible.
>I wish you well, and quite enjoy seeing
>your name in capital letters.
>
>~mt
Thanks!
I hope to see your name
on a UCP session report.
O
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