Divisions
Harrops
Has anyone else in Kansas heard of a JV division? To my
understanding, most invitationals are either Novice or Open. I know for
a fact there have never been any JV division tourneys beforehand to my
knowledge. KSHSAA does not specify what JV is for most fall sports, and
debate is a fall sport. The reason I ask is that our school took four
teams to a "JV" tourney, and three of them were DQ'ed because they
weren't novice (There were some 2nd year people who hadn't been to many
tourneys, and one team all-novice). They interrupted someone's round to
tell them they were DQ'ed and then told them they had to keep debating.
To me, I think the interruption scenario is enough to file a challenge.
Does anyone else think that a school must use Novice or Open divisions
as their classification unless they otherwise specify it in the
invitation (Which they did not). Our DQ'ed teams alone would have taken
1st & 3rd place medals & at least 3rd in Sweeps, and it was our judge's
assumption that it was an Open tourney (Then again, you know what
happens when you assume). Any thoughts?
-Chris Harrop
Brad Hall
> understanding, most invitationals are either Novice or Open.
Yes, I know that Salina Central has a JV division, or they did last year.
Most invitationals are Open or Champ from my experience.
>I know for
> a fact there have never been any JV division tourneys beforehand to my
> knowledge.
See above.
>KSHSAA does not specify what JV is for most fall sports, and
> debate is a fall sport. The reason I ask is that our school took four
> teams to a "JV" tourney, and three of them were DQ'ed because they
> weren't novice (There were some 2nd year people who hadn't been to many
> tourneys, and one team all-novice). They interrupted someone's round to
> tell them they were DQ'ed and then told them they had to keep debating.
> To me, I think the interruption scenario is enough to file a challenge.
> Does anyone else think that a school must use Novice or Open divisions
> as their classification unless they otherwise specify it in the
> invitation (Which they did not). Our DQ'ed teams alone would have taken
> 1st & 3rd place medals & at least 3rd in Sweeps, and it was our judge's
> assumption that it was an Open tourney (Then again, you know what
> happens when you assume). Any thoughts?
>-Chris Harrop
There are no requirements for JV teams. Anyone can go JV, whether they be a
novice or a 4th year debater. My thought on this situation would be that
whoever was running the tournament was either falsely informed or
misinterpreted the rules. I'd recommend calling Vic Sisk at KSHSAA, asking
your coach about it, and having your coach call the school to ask what rules
they used to determine their decision to disqualify your teams.
A tournament should be allowed to choose whatever divisions they want, and
your teams entered in a specific division. Why do you exclude champ
division? All in all, it sounds like a misinformed tournament director.
Brad
Manhattan HS
P.S. For anyone coming to our tournament this weekend, we are having Open
and Champ debate. And we'll try not to interrupt your rounds.
Stephanie Kirmer
am a second-year and i have run in JV, several times. You don't have to be a
novice to be in JV, in fact you'll get squashed if you do.
Where did this all happen? i can ask my coach about it.
Stephanie
Harrops wrote:
> Hello,
> Has anyone else in Kansas heard of a JV division? To my
> understanding, most invitationals are either Novice or Open. I know for
> a fact there have never been any JV division tourneys beforehand to my
> knowledge. KSHSAA does not specify what JV is for most fall sports, and
Pranav Shah
wrote:
> Has anyone else in Kansas heard of a JV division? To my
>understanding, most invitationals are either Novice or Open. I know for
>a fact there have never been any JV division tourneys beforehand to my
>knowledge. KSHSAA does not specify what JV is for most fall sports, and
>debate is a fall sport. The reason I ask is that our school took four
>teams to a "JV" tourney, and three of them were DQ'ed because they
>weren't novice (There were some 2nd year people who hadn't been to many
>tourneys, and one team all-novice). They interrupted someone's round to
>tell them they were DQ'ed and then told them they had to keep debating.
>To me, I think the interruption scenario is enough to file a challenge.
>Does anyone else think that a school must use Novice or Open divisions
>as their classification unless they otherwise specify it in the
>invitation (Which they did not). Our DQ'ed teams alone would have taken
>1st & 3rd place medals & at least 3rd in Sweeps, and it was our judge's
>assumption that it was an Open tourney (Then again, you know what
>happens when you assume). Any thoughts?
Here in Wichita, there have been JV tournaments. I don't know how
many there are going to be this season due to the district split, but
I've always understood JV to be for lower-end second year debaters and
higher-end novices, and that the experience cap was at second year.
Pranav
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Stephanie Kirmer
3rd year friend who went JV at WaRu. I myself am a second year, and I went in JV
out there, but my coach has moved me up to open anyway.
What school are you from?
Stephanie
Bornahawk wrote:
> I could've sworn that JV was only limited to second years, except this year at
> Washburn Rural they allowed "underexperienced" 3rd years...but basically it's a
> division for good novi and crappy open and the judging pool resembles that.
Brad Hall
years. A bad fourth-year team can debate in JV, and a really good sophomore
team can debate in champ. In fact, I know of at least 2 schools with very
competitive sophomore champ teams.
Brad
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