Re: Home Solar Hydrogen Production
Eeyore
Y wrote:
> Hi Guys. . .
I have a good mind to complain to Telstra about your multiposting.
GO AWAY
Roland Mösl
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> Hi Guys. . .
>
> I have a hydrogen powered bicycle,
Replace it with lithium batteries
>and now I want to create my own
> Hydrogen from home.
Lithium batteries can be charged by any DC outlet
> 1. I live in Australia with plenty of sun and plenty of water.
Even with plenty of sun,
You need for the same only 1/3 of power charging lithium batteries
instead of hydrogen
> 2. I do not want to use batteries
>, or recharge an electric powered
> vehicle.
Typical case of brain washed by the hydrogen nonsens
> 3. I have loads of money.
That's really necessary for an exotic hobby
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Russ in San Diego
> "Y" <yanar...@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitragnews:cf96e643-bbb7-4737...@b30g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Look, while I agree that most of the hydrogen stuff is extremely
premature hype, why not take the fellow at his word and suggest
solutions instead of throwing rotten tomatoes?
So what if using hydrogen to power a bike isn't "sensible". You can
still learn something from it.
Hey, my grid-connected, battery-backed PV installation isn't exactly
"sensible" either. It's been running for 7 years, and it might yet
break even in another couple of years -- which is silly from a
financial point of view. The only real need it supplied is the
provision of energy regardless of brownouts and rolling blackouts, and
that could have been taken care of by installing a whole-house UPS for
a lot less money. But I still wanted to have the PV system because
it's fun and interesting, and I might learn something from it.
Give this guy a break!
Me, I don't know much about solar hydrogen production or efficient
storage. It sounds like a research project to me. There are
straightforward, brute force, inefficient solutions that might get you
started (electrolysis, compressors, aluminum tanks). Presumably there
are better options. I've always assumed that direct solar hydrolysis
will eventually be the way to go, but I don't know how you get there.
Roland Mösl
>"sensible" either. It's been running for 7 years, and it might yet
>break even in another couple of years -- which is silly from a
>financial point of view.
Lead batteries have been the death for many
electric car projects.
Lead batteries are far to expensive for their performance
Imagine lithium batteries with 20 years, 30.000 full cycles
for 300.-EUR per kWh.
This will even outperform pump storage power plants.
Every grid connecte house a
solar power plant and a
storage power plant
I just study the theme, the data are from the most advanced
lithium battery resarch company.
In some days, I will give a link to the caculations based
on the basic data from the new lithium batteries.
Eeyore
Russ in San Diego wrote:
> Roland Mösl wrote:
> > "Y" schrieb
> > > Hi Guys. . .
> >
> > > I have a hydrogen powered bicycle,
> >
> > Replace it with lithium batteries
> >
> > >and now I want to create my own
> > > Hydrogen from home.
> >
> > Lithium batteries can be charged by any DC outlet
> >
> > > 1. I live in Australia with plenty of sun and plenty of water.
> >
> > Even with plenty of sun,
> > You need for the same only 1/3 of power charging lithium batteries
> > instead of hydrogen
> >
> > > 2. I do not want to use batteries
> > >, or recharge an electric powered
> > > vehicle.
> >
> > Typical case of brain washed by the hydrogen nonsens
> >
> > > 3. I have loads of money.
> >
> > That's really necessary for an exotic hobby
> >
> > --
> > Roland Möslhttp://car.pege.orgcars and traffichttp://live.pege.orgbuilding and livehttp://www.pege.org
>
> Look, while I agree that most of the hydrogen stuff is extremely
> premature hype, why not take the fellow at his word and suggest
> solutions instead of throwing rotten tomatoes?
Well, one solution is not to use aluminium containers since the hydrogen will simply leak out. It even leaks through steel and
makes it brittle in the process.
> So what if using hydrogen to power a bike isn't "sensible". You can
> still learn something from it.
How to blow yourself up ?
> Hey, my grid-connected, battery-backed PV installation isn't exactly
> "sensible" either. It's been running for 7 years, and it might yet
> break even in another couple of years -- which is silly from a
> financial point of view. The only real need it supplied is the
> provision of energy regardless of brownouts and rolling blackouts, and
> that could have been taken care of by installing a whole-house UPS for
> a lot less money. But I still wanted to have the PV system because
> it's fun and interesting, and I might learn something from it.
>
> Give this guy a break!
>
> Me, I don't know much about solar hydrogen production or efficient
> storage. It sounds like a research project to me. There are
> straightforward, brute force, inefficient solutions that might get you
> started (electrolysis, compressors, aluminum tanks). Presumably there
> are better options. I've always assumed that direct solar hydrolysis
> will eventually be the way to go, but I don't know how you get there.
There you go with aluminium again.
The research was done aeons ago. Anyone with functioning brain cells knows it's a non-starter. Except politicians and companies
greedy for 'research' hand-outs.
Graham
Roland Mösl
> The research was done aeons ago. Anyone with functioning brain cells knows
> it's a non-starter. Except politicians and companies
> greedy for 'research' hand-outs.
This sort of people run around with jokes.
Imagine on the Hannover industririal fair.
The cheapest sort of chinese electric scooters.
The sort with only 250 W engine.
But the hydrogen fans removed the batteries
and put a hydrogen tank and a fuel cell inside