How many panels to run the sprinkler
spaco
We will probably never know because he probably threw his computer
out the window and went back to nature after all the flaming that goes
on here. Please keep your feud to yourselves. It doesn't further any
useful purpose.
Pete Stanaitis
jp838
Yes, the OP never replied and the topic is running for ... a while.
It's the same in most newsgroups I subscribe. I really wonder what
kind of people they are?
Sholl
wmbjk...@citlink.net
wrote:
People who prefer having limits on what's posted should stick with
moderated newsgroups. There are plenty of those where the nitwit
contributors are banned, eliminating the need to counter their BS.
On Usenet people like ghio can post as much incompetence as they like,
and others are free to correct and ridicule it. Which reminds the
newbs to avoid his tunnel vision and to never send him any money.
That's at least somewhat useful when compared to the above posts from
the two of you. If you insist on reading Usenet even though the free
speech aspect doesn't really suit you, then at least stop reading the
threads you don't like. You can also killfile individual posters. Feel
free to start with me, since if there was a way to do it, I'd prevent
both of you from reading my posts.
Wayne
spaco
Pete Stanaitis
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Morris Dovey
> On Usenet people like ghio can post as much incompetence as they like,
> and others are free to correct and ridicule it. Which reminds the
> newbs to avoid his tunnel vision and to never send him any money.
I think I qualify as a newbie (or less, perhaps a pre-newbie) in the PV
arena but I'd really like to see George put up a web page with the
photos of what he's done at home. I don't doubt that it could have been
done better (and I suspect that he'd admit that to anyone but Wayne),
but it would provide a sense of what's possible and how one person
approached the problem. BTW, he /does/ have some interesting photos.
George and I might disagree (perhaps vehemently) on a wide range of
issues, but if I lived in his neighborhood I think I'd benefit from
stopping by for a visit to look at and ask questions about his installation.
I'm certain the stuff I've shown on my own web site could all have been
done better by other people - but yesterday the server logged a couple
of thousand hits from people who thought they'd benefit from a quick
look-see, and to tell the truth I'd be pleased if they all decided that
after seeing how I did something, they could then do it better.
When a newbie's simple question devolves into acrimony and posturing,
everyone loses. The the argumentive types reveal themselves as being
unable to have a rational, mature, problem-solving discussion (and so
lose the credibility they might well deserve) and the newbie learns
nothing that he can trust as a solution to his problem.
If Wayne and George can't agree on something, I (and others) might learn
something from a constructive discussion that leads to a meeting of
minds - but this newbie doesn't learn anything useful from shouting and
finger-pointing.
My two cents worth.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
wmbjk...@citlink.net
wrote:
>When a newbie's simple question devolves into acrimony and posturing,
>everyone loses.
Easy to say, but it doesn't mean much. Most have lost nothing but some
free time.
> The the argumentive types reveal themselves as being
>unable to have a rational, mature, problem-solving discussion (and so
>lose the credibility they might well deserve)
If you check the archives, in seconds you can find examples of the
same people (with one exception) having exactly the type of discussion
you'd prefer.
>and the newbie learns
>nothing that he can trust as a solution to his problem.
Detailed and well-considered comments on the OP's question have been
posted, most of them by Ron. They include mention of Peukert's
Exponent, a factor that even some experienced hands tend to forget.
The OP can learn from it if he wants, or complain that it's too hard
to tell if he needs 10 or 154 panels, or whine that it's simply too
much work to sort through. But most likely he immediately gave up any
thought of solarizing his pump once he found it that it would cost
thousands.
>I (and others) might learn
>something from a constructive discussion that leads to a meeting of
>minds - but this newbie doesn't learn anything useful from shouting and
>finger-pointing.
You need to pay waaaay closer attention if you haven't learned by now
what it means to be "ghioed". As it happens, years ago when I thought
he was just a well-meaning boob, I too supported him a little. I even
sent Pine an email asking him to lighten up. But it only took me a
short time to learn that George's first, last and always response to
being challenged on his bungling, is to attack those who correct him.
The attacks almost always include bald-faced lies, and no matter how
outrageous they are, he never apologizes for telling them. Ironically,
it was a thread in which he started lying about Ron that made me
decide I'd had enough. I told George to do himself a favor and knock
it off, which was perhaps the best advice he ever got in his life. :-)
Of course, that just made him attack me as well. Why you'd want to
deal with someone like that at any level is beyond me, but there's
certainly nothing preventing you or anyone from doing so. In fact,
here's a suggestion that might help you get up to speed: Email George
and ask him to back up his oft-repeated lie that "wayne copied his
system from a magazine". He won't be able to do it. Then ask him to
apologize. He won't do that either. Perhaps then you'll understand
that one of the reasons that George is still blundering, still
attacking, and still telling lies day in and day out, is that there
are always Pollyannas who are willing to cut him more slack than he
deserves. If not for that unintentional encouragement, perhaps he
might have changed his behavior long ago.
As for what's best for the newbs, they'll have to learn to sort the
wheat from the chaff no matter what they're reading. There are surely
many who'd be better served by informational web sites, but I think
that most can learn to scan posts for facts if they really want to.
And that's not just idle speculation. Back when George was trying to
sell $25 "sizings" and "books" to newbs here, it didn't go very well
for him. Neither does his current strategy of trying to take
discussions private. It seems to me that except in the minds of those
who'd prefer a moderated environment, things are working the way
they're supposed to.
Wayne
bea...@gmail.com
> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:28:37 -0500, Morris Dovey <mrdo...@iedu.com>
In your dreams Tweedledum. Why don't you just explain how adding 33%
to the load on panels offsets voltage drop in wire. Oh, sorry, you
can't can you?