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Support UPS Strikers!
185,000 Teamsters demand full-time jobs, dignity
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from the Militant, vol.61/no.28 August 25, 1997


BY MARK CURTIS
AND JAMES VINCENT
CHICAGO - Across the country 185,000 striking Teamsters
at 2,400 distribution depots have shut down United Parcel
Service (UPS), the nation's largest delivery company. This
is the first nationwide strike against the company in its 90-
year history. It is the largest strike against a U.S.
corporation in many years.
After months of contract negotiations, the union rejected
what the company described as its "last, best and final"
offer at 12:01 a.m. August 4. In response, UPS workers set
up picket lines throughout the United States.
The central issue in the strike is the fight for better
pay and conditions for part-time workers, and the union's
demand that UPS hire more workers full-time. Health, safety,
and the company's attempt to force workers out of the
Teamsters pension plans are also important questions.
Picketing the Pleasantdale UPS facility in Atlanta, where
the shipping giant is based, Michael Martin, 32, commented
on the stakes in the fight. "Some people say we're going to
hurt the country," he said. "I say it will help. The
underlying issue is this: I do tremendous amounts of work
for UPS. But I am not an animal. I am a human being. A
victory in this strike will mean more workers will say it's
enough, when it's enough."
In the Chicago area, more than 15,000 UPS workers are on
strike. While waving their signs and pumping their fists,
strikers at the Jefferson plant in Chicago's South side
yelled "Shut down Big Brown" and "We want more money."
UPS handles about 80 percent of the U.S. package delivery
business and transports each day more than 5 percent of the
U.S. gross domestic product. In 1996 UPS had revenues of
$22.5 billion, earning $1 billion in profits. It has 200
aircraft plus an additional 300 chartered planes serving 400
airports in the United States and 200 overseas.
The strike has brought UPS to a virtual standstill. Few
UPS workers have crossed picket lines and the 2,000 members
of the Independent Pilot Association (IPA) who fly for UPS
are honoring picket lines. Scurrying to continue operations,
the parcel giant is using its 75,000 managers and nonunion
employees to keep business moving. In addition, 138 pilots
within UPS management were scheduled to fly international
flights.
In response to the pilots' show of solidarity to the
striking Teamsters, UPS management canceled their overseas
hotel rooms. As of August 6, 293 UPS cargo pilots were
stranded in 54 cities outside the United States. The pilots
have been working without a contract for the last 20 months.
The IPA is footing the bill for their hotel costs until UPS
agrees to fly them home.
"Normally 300 trucks go out each day," said striker Don
Cleamon, a driver from Teamster Local 705 in Chicago. "But
so far today only 26 have gone out and most of them have
been pretty empty. All the trucks have been driven by UPS
managers."
UPS management has been campaigning for President William
Clinton to intervene against the strike, as he did to halt a
walkout by pilots at American Airlines last February. An
August 4 letter sent from the company to its customers urged
them to fax messages to the White House asking Clinton to
invoke the antilabor Taft-Hartley Act and impose a mediation
board. To do so, the president would have to declare that
the strike posed a threat to national health and safety.
Clinton said he won't do so at this time, saying, "I hope
they'll go back to the table" and negotiate.

Part-time workers get half the wage
The biggest issue in the strike is the company's use of
part-time workers, who account for 60 percent of the
workforce and are paid about half the hourly rates of full-
timers. Emma Love, a part-time worker in Chicago, said she
earns about $120 a week. Echoing other strikers, she said
she couldn't stand being an "underpaid slave" anymore.
Fiore Auriene, a 23-years-old UPS indoor bulk driver in
Chicago, said the company attempted to separate the full-
time and part-time workers by trying to establish separate
cafeterias and bathrooms. Auriene said these were ignored by
all the workers. "We just want full-time opportunities," he
said, "there is no such thing as part-time families."
The union is demanding 10,000 more higher paying full-
time jobs. UPS says it wants to create just 200 such jobs
per year. Strikers on the picket lines report that the
overwhelming majority of workers inside the distribution
facilities - loaders, unloaders, and sorters - are part-time
workers, while most truck drivers are full-time. Since 1993
some 83 percent of the 46,000 new jobs created at UPS have
been part-time. According to the union, more than 10,000 UPS
employees work 35 hours or more a week but are still paid
part-time wages. Starting wages have been frozen for part-
timers at $8 per hour since 1982. The average wage for full-
time workers is $19.95. Part-time UPS workers get no dental,
eye, and drug prescription benefits until three years with
the company.
Bad working conditions and safety are also key issues in
the strike. Most of the part-timers work odd hours in the
middle of the night for three to five hour stints with few
breaks. Scott Christoffel, who has worked as a driver at a
Chicago-based UPS facility for 14 years, said, "People are
getting hurt all the time - pulled muscles, strained backs,
banged-up knees, and groin injuries. I was out for five
weeks on workers compensation."
Mike Dibucci, a striker in New Stanton, Pennsylvania,
commented, "If you get injured you are pressured not to fill
out an accident report, or told the accident was your fault
for `not using proper loading techniques.'"
According to a Teamster news release of April 23, the
company's own figures show that last year there were 33.8
injuries for every 100 workers - an injury rate 2.5 times
the national transportation average. Since 1990 UPS has been
fined over $3.7 million by the Occupational Safety and
Health Administration (OSHA) and the company pays
approximately $1 million a day in workers compensation
costs.
In 1994 the company raised the weight limit UPS workers
must lift from 70 to 150 pounds. A one-day strike by workers
outraged at this back-breaking demand forced the UPS bosses
to back off for a while. However, it did not change the
weight limit. The company is now demanding that it can
increase the weight limit above 150 pounds at any time
without the union's agreement.
"The company has a rule that every two steps should take
3 seconds. Try that with a 100 pound package," said Leonard
Cornelius, a Chicago-based driver from Teamster Local 705.
UPS has dozens of such rules that regiment workers' lives.
"There is a rule that you can request assistance for
lifting packages over 70 pounds," said Chad Greenwalt in New
Stanton. "But if you do it too much, you get hassled."
Other issues in the strike include UPS demands to expand
outsourcing, eliminate family health coverage for all newly
hired part timers, and expand the list of infractions called
"cardinal sins" where innocent until proven guilty does not
apply. The parcel giant is also demanding that it pull out
of the Teamster-controlled multi-employer pension fund. "We
don't want the company to have any control over our pension
plan. The Teamsters have run it for 42 years and we don't
want the company getting their hands on it," declared Brian
Lovato, a UPS driver on strike in Los Angeles.
Chad Coffman, a 20-year-old striker in Willow Springs,
Illinois, said he liked the atmosphere on the picket line,
explaining that "in my department the strike has brought a
lot of people closer." He said he started "to feel the power
of the strike in the week before it happened. In my
department the number of packages started to fall from
280,000 on Monday to 215,000 on Friday."

Solidarity from other workers
"We've already gotten lots of support from the community
and other unions," said Adam Boothe, a package car driver
and shop steward of Teamsters Local 402 in Huntsville,
Alabama. Members of the United Auto Workers, United
Steelworkers of America, postal workers, teachers, and
others have stopped by bringing donations of food and drink
and offering solidarity, he said.
Boothe and Lisa D'Agostino, a part-time worker with 15
years at UPS, described how strikers there have organized
rolling pickets to follow the few delivery trucks UPS
management has been able to send out. Strikers in several
other cities have carried out similar roving pickets.
In the Chicago area, six UPS strikers set up
informational pickets at the Burlington Northern Santa Fe
intermodal yard, which handles UPS shipments. The rail yard
is the largest intermodal facility in the country.
In the Boston area, police attacked two UPS strikers with
pepper spray and arrested four others the first day of the
strike. Another 11 unionists were detained in Somerville,
Massachusetts, August 6. Across the country cops have
arrested dozens of strikers for alleged picket line
infractions. In New Stanton, where 1,200 workers are on
strike, police turned out August 6 to enforce an injunction
limiting the number of pickets to 10 per gate.
No talks were scheduled for the first three days of the
strike; negotiations were set to resume August 7.

Mark Curtis is a member of the Union of Needletrades,
Industrial and Textile Employees. Mike Italie in Atlanta;
Susan LaMont in Birmingham; Mary Nell Bockman in Boston;
Shelton McCrainey in Chicago; Tim Mailhot in Des Moines;
Mark Friedman in Los Angeles; Deborah Laitos in New York;
and Salm Kolis in Pittsburgh contributed to this article.


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Bill

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Brian Hauk wrote:
>
> Support UPS Strikers!
> 185,000 Teamsters demand full-time jobs, dignity
Excuse me for editing out your neo-Bolshevik bullshit, but if I want to
hear the Mafia's side of things I ask John Gotti before I'll hear it
from the Teamsters.
You don't want to work a part-time job then get another job. If you
don't, then starve and die. More air for the rest of us who don't sit
around and piss and moan that life is giving us a raw deal.
If I ran UPS, I'd hire gun thugs to do my talking for me..

Andrew Meyer

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In article <33EC62...@bill.com>, Bi...@bill.com wrote:

> Brian Hauk wrote:
> >
> > Support UPS Strikers!
> > 185,000 Teamsters demand full-time jobs, dignity

> Excuse me for editing out your neo-Bolshevik bullshit, but if I want to
> hear the Mafia's side of things I ask John Gotti before I'll hear it
> from the Teamsters.
> You don't want to work a part-time job then get another job. If you
> don't, then starve and die. More air for the rest of us who don't sit
> around and piss and moan that life is giving us a raw deal.
> If I ran UPS, I'd hire gun thugs to do my talking for me..

Well, I don't know if I'd go as far as that, but to a point I agree with
you. I've been out of work for four months, and right now, I'd be HAPPY
to take a job from one of the UPS strikers. Nobody is forcing anyone to
stay with a job that doesn't make them happy. At the same time, they're
screwing thousands and thousands of other businesses that depend on UPS
for their very survival. Pretty damn selfish if you ask me.

Me

Danny Clark

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Aug 9, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/9/97
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In article <33EC62...@bill.com>,
Bill <Bi...@bill.com> wrote:

>Brian Hauk wrote:
>>
>> Support UPS Strikers!
>> 185,000 Teamsters demand full-time jobs, dignity

>Excuse me for editing out your neo-Bolshevik bullshit, but if I want to
>hear the Mafia's side of things I ask John Gotti before I'll hear it
>from the Teamsters.
>You don't want to work a part-time job then get another job. If you
>don't, then starve and die. More air for the rest of us who don't sit
>around and piss and moan that life is giving us a raw deal.
>If I ran UPS, I'd hire gun thugs to do my talking for me..

In a stunning move that has shocked the labor and corporate world "Bill"
has been voted onto the board at UPS and within only a day, has been
elected CEO.

Asked at a press conference how this was posable Bill replied, "I like to
shoot things that piss and moan".

Upon further questioning it was also found out that "Bill" enjoys air and
detests Bolshevik bullshit. His favorite color is green, enjoys the beach
and is a supporter of the NAMBLA organization.

"Bill" has a reputation of not taking any shit from anyone who disagrees
with him and has recently shot his wife when she refused to watch "Bill"
have sex with three male children at once. He was able to _get off_ on both
the charges and the children. What a celeberty.

UPS spokeman Buddy Ebson replied..."UPS is very proud to have a man with
such credentials as "Bill" aboard. He will show the teamsters that the very
rich offer offer of a 1% raise is the last best and final offer....or until
we see that the union and Clinton are not breaking. If that does not work
then we will see how close the holiday season comes, before the next best
final offer comes in. Either way...."Bill" will be weeding out the workers
with hired gun thugs and we expect the body count to start rising very
soon. "Bill" is a very experienced manager in the art of hiring gun thugs.
He is a gun thug graduate of Yale and finished 7th in his class. He only
hires the best and will not allow any thugs to carry anything less then a
box cutter while most _do_ get actual guns. The picket lines should be
thinning very soon"

Danny Clark

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Aug 9, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/9/97
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In article <aim29-09089...@p1-48.top.net>,
ai...@idt.net (Andrew Meyer) wrote:

>In article <33EC62...@bill.com>, Bi...@bill.com wrote:
>
>> Brian Hauk wrote:
>> >

>> > Support UPS Strikers!
>> > 185,000 Teamsters demand full-time jobs, dignity

>> Excuse me for editing out your neo-Bolshevik bullshit, but if I want to
>> hear the Mafia's side of things I ask John Gotti before I'll hear it
>> from the Teamsters.
>> You don't want to work a part-time job then get another job. If you
>> don't, then starve and die. More air for the rest of us who don't sit
>> around and piss and moan that life is giving us a raw deal.
>> If I ran UPS, I'd hire gun thugs to do my talking for me..
>

>Well, I don't know if I'd go as far as that, but to a point I agree with
>you. I've been out of work for four months, and right now, I'd be HAPPY
>to take a job from one of the UPS strikers. Nobody is forcing anyone to
>stay with a job that doesn't make them happy. At the same time, they're
>screwing thousands and thousands of other businesses that depend on UPS
>for their very survival. Pretty damn selfish if you ask me.
>
>Me

You might get your chance soon mister me. Good luck.

Derek McMillan

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Aug 10, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/10/97
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Bill writes:
>You don't want to work a part-time job then get another job. If you
>don't, then starve and die. More air for the rest of us who don't sit
>around and piss and moan that life is giving us a raw deal.
I have had managers like you. They don't do an awful lot of work
themselves usually.


>If I ran UPS, I'd hire gun thugs to do my talking for me..

From the sound of it you do.

Brimac

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Aug 11, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/11/97
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Bill <Bi...@bill.com> wrote:

>Brian Hauk wrote:
>>
>> Support UPS Strikers!
>> 185,000 Teamsters demand full-time jobs, dignity

>Excuse me for editing out your neo-Bolshevik bullshit, but if I want to
>hear the Mafia's side of things I ask John Gotti before I'll hear it
>from the Teamsters.

>You don't want to work a part-time job then get another job. If you
>don't, then starve and die. More air for the rest of us who don't sit
>around and piss and moan that life is giving us a raw deal.

>If I ran UPS, I'd hire gun thugs to do my talking for me..


When you go to work for UPS there is NO PROMISE of a full time job.
NONE. NADA. There is NO carrot dangled in front of you. To get a full
time job you must go by seniority. If you have a family to feed, why
would you get a parttime job that cant feed them? Because youre an
idiot, thats why. Also, think about this. If you add a full time
job, then one parttimer loses his. Combine all the parttime jobs at
UPS into fulltime jobs and 45,000 parttimers lose their jobs. Figure
it out.


Jim Wise

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Selfish? Have you ever looked at the conditions of work at UPS? Drivers
are expected to make upwards of 200 stops in a work day, with time quotas
which are effectively unmeetable, and steep penalties, including
dismissals, for failure to do the impossible. In addition, drivers are
penalized for almost all delivery failures, regardless of the origin of
the problem. Worse, mmany if not most of the drivers are working far
longer hours than they are officially hired for, so that the company can
get full-time work out of people working on part-time benefits.

Labor has very little recourse in this country against treatment like
this, and things will only get worse if people like you are so eager to
take the side of management against your own best interests and those of
others in your position.

One of the most amusing parts of this strike has been seeing UPS put
management employees behind the wheel of their delivery trucks, and
watching these employees slowly realize exactly what they have been asking
of their drivers.

Selfish? No, selfish would be to sell out their coworkers to make a
little extra money for themselves, as you suggest that you are willing to
do...

--
Jim Wise
jim....@turner.com

Andrew Meyer

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Aug 12, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/12/97
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In article <jim.wise-110...@mithlond.turner.com>,
jim....@turner.com (Jim Wise) wrote:

> Selfish? Have you ever looked at the conditions of work at UPS? Drivers
> are expected to make upwards of 200 stops in a work day, with time quotas
> which are effectively unmeetable, and steep penalties, including
> dismissals, for failure to do the impossible. In addition, drivers are
> penalized for almost all delivery failures, regardless of the origin of
> the problem. Worse, mmany if not most of the drivers are working far
> longer hours than they are officially hired for, so that the company can
> get full-time work out of people working on part-time benefits.
>
> Labor has very little recourse in this country against treatment like
> this, and things will only get worse if people like you are so eager to
> take the side of management against your own best interests and those of
> others in your position.
>
> One of the most amusing parts of this strike has been seeing UPS put
> management employees behind the wheel of their delivery trucks, and
> watching these employees slowly realize exactly what they have been asking
> of their drivers.
>
> Selfish? No, selfish would be to sell out their coworkers to make a
> little extra money for themselves, as you suggest that you are willing to
> do...
>
> --
> Jim Wise
> jim....@turner.com

Nobody is forcing anyone to stay in a job that makes them unhappy. I said
that before. If working conditions are so horrendous, there's plenty of
other jobs out there. Check the job section of any newspaper in the
country. With the unemployment rate rather low, there are more jobs than
available workers. If a job is so miserable, there are no chains holding
them to their trucks. They know exactly where the door is.

Me

Brimac

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Aug 12, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/12/97
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jim....@turner.com (Jim Wise) wrote:

>In article <aim29-09089...@p1-48.top.net>, ai...@idt.net (Andrew
>Meyer) wrote:

>>Well, I don't know if I'd go as far as that, but to a point I agree with
>>you. I've been out of work for four months, and right now, I'd be HAPPY
>>to take a job from one of the UPS strikers. Nobody is forcing anyone to
>>stay with a job that doesn't make them happy. At the same time, they're
>>screwing thousands and thousands of other businesses that depend on UPS
>>for their very survival. Pretty damn selfish if you ask me.

>Selfish? Have you ever looked at the conditions of work at UPS? Drivers


>are expected to make upwards of 200 stops in a work day, with time quotas
>which are effectively unmeetable, and steep penalties, including
>dismissals, for failure to do the impossible. In addition, drivers are
>penalized for almost all delivery failures, regardless of the origin of
>the problem. Worse, mmany if not most of the drivers are working far
>longer hours than they are officially hired for, so that the company can
>get full-time work out of people working on part-time benefits.

What! This is a bunch of shit. No way is 200 stops a day the quota.
No way. Dismissals? More bullshit. I have yet to hear of one person
getting dismissed for not meeting production standards. First of all,
you would have to follow the levels of discipline plus have it go
through arbitration. Tons of documentation would be needed to fire a
driver for this. Youre full of it. I dont know where you work, but
all of my drivers are full time drivers. The only parttime jobs are
in the warehouse, and air drivers. In my district, the driver cant
work over 9.5 hours per day. Note that this is soon to change to 9.0
hours. Most drivers want the OT. If they dont, we dont give it to
them.


>Labor has very little recourse in this country against treatment like
>this, and things will only get worse if people like you are so eager to
>take the side of management against your own best interests and those of
>others in your position.

Stop with the treatment crap. All the workers make UPS sound like a
sweatshop. Working in a demanding environment does not constitute
mistreatment.


>One of the most amusing parts of this strike has been seeing UPS put
>management employees behind the wheel of their delivery trucks, and
>watching these employees slowly realize exactly what they have been asking
>of their drivers.

You know what? I AM one of those people youre talking about. And it
aint that bad of a job. And note that some of the days this week were
in the nineties. The best thing this week is the fact that I didnt
have to listen to whining babies cry and bitch like I do most days.
I'll take this anyday.

>Selfish? No, selfish would be to sell out their coworkers to make a
>little extra money for themselves, as you suggest that you are willing to
>do...

You guys are out of touch with the reality of todays economy. I dare
you to find a better job somewhere else. I thought so...

>--
> Jim Wise
> jim....@turner.com

Ruby Sinreich

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Aug 12, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/12/97
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Andrew Meyer (ai...@idt.net) wrote:

: Nobody is forcing anyone to stay in a job that makes them unhappy. I said


: that before. If working conditions are so horrendous, there's plenty of
: other jobs out there. Check the job section of any newspaper in the
: country. With the unemployment rate rather low, there are more jobs than
: available workers. If a job is so miserable, there are no chains holding
: them to their trucks. They know exactly where the door is.

Bullshit. Would you like to work for UPS? How about some other
union-busting, employee-hating slave driver? No-one deserves to work
under these conditions. How would it be any better if they quit and some
other poor slob had to do the work? The American labor market is unstable
enough as it is without people quitting their jobs every time their
supervisor was an asshole!

This happens everyday, and we ALL deserve better. Meanwhile, people have
homes and families to take care of, they can't just run away and pick
another job off the magical Job Tree.

<ruby

--
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Glenn Dwiggins

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Aug 12, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/12/97
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Andrew Meyer (ai...@idt.net) wrote:

: to take a job from one of the UPS strikers. Nobody is forcing anyone to
: stay with a job that doesn't make them happy. At the same time, they're


: screwing thousands and thousands of other businesses that depend on UPS
: for their very survival. Pretty damn selfish if you ask me.

Nobody is forcing those other business to stay with a shipping company
that doesn't make them happy. There's a phone book full of companies
that'll do the job for them. That might do well to increase the
diversity of the shipping economy. Just maybe. Why let UPS have all the
fun?

--
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Los Angeles, CA We shall get ourselves rather disliked.
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tell you any different. -- Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

Captain

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Aug 13, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/13/97
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Brimac wrote:
>
> Bill <Bi...@bill.com> wrote:
>
> >Brian Hauk wrote:
> >>
> >> Support UPS Strikers!
> >> 185,000 Teamsters demand full-time jobs, dignity
> >Excuse me for editing out your neo-Bolshevik bullshit, but if I want to
> >hear the Mafia's side of things I ask John Gotti before I'll hear it
> >from the Teamsters.
> >You don't want to work a part-time job then get another job. If you
> >don't, then starve and die. More air for the rest of us who don't sit
> >around and piss and moan that life is giving us a raw deal.
> >If I ran UPS, I'd hire gun thugs to do my talking for me..
>
> When you go to work for UPS there is NO PROMISE of a full time job.
> NONE. NADA. There is NO carrot dangled in front of you. To get a full
> time job you must go by seniority. If you have a family to feed, why
> would you get a parttime job that cant feed them? Because youre an
> idiot, thats why. Also, think about this. If you add a full time
> job, then one parttimer loses his. Combine all the parttime jobs at
> UPS into fulltime jobs and 45,000 parttimers lose their jobs. Figure
> it out.
The obvious answer is part-time management. As a matter of
fact a lot of companies save money by giving self-employment
contracts to managers with no quarantee of continuance. Save
money on the benefits and get rid of them whenever business
slows. A lot of management jobs can be parceled out to two
part-timers by job sharing. After all, there is no promise
of a full-time job.
Why is it that when UPS goes into employment service offices
every Christmas to get extra help, their recruiters also use
the line that possibly something might open up after the holi-
days and the people they choose now would have preference.
And why is it when they send the reports in on those inter-
views, there is a space to check off those people interviewed
that are over 40.

Lloyd Lawrence

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On Aug 12 1997 jmos...@aol.comWed wrote:

>I have never read such bull-shit. Keep it off the Nte.

Thanks for exposing your ignorance of the subject and its authors. You've
demonstrated the truths that Freire wrote about with your totalitarian
views. You help to reify his philosophies and establish the need for
liberation from the kind of domination your words represent. Keep up the
good work.

-lloyd

>On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Lloyd Lawrence wrote:
>>
>> GIVE THEM BREAD AND CIRCUSES
>> (Taken from Paulo Freire's "Pedagogy of the Oppressed", 1970, pp.134-136)
>> [..In ancient Rome, the dominant elites spoke of the need to give "bread
>> and circuses" to the people in order to "soften them up" and to secure
>> their own tranquility...]
>>
>> The desire for conquest (or rather the necessity of conquest) is at all
>> times present in antidialogical action. To this end the oppressors attempt
>> to destroy in men their quality as "considerers" of the world. Since the
>> oppressors cannot totally achieve this destruction, they must MYTHICISE
>> the world.
>> ... for example, the myth that the oppressive
>> order is a "free society"; the myth that all men are free to work where
>> they wish, that if they don't like their boss they can leave him and look
>> for another job; the myth that this order respects human rights and is
>> therefore worthy of esteem; the myth that anyone who is industrious can
>> become an entrepreneur - worse yet, the myth that the street vendor is as
>> much an entrepreneur as the owner of a large factory; the myth of the
>> universal right of education, when of all the Brazilian children who enter
>> primary schools only a tiny fraction ever reach the university; the myth
>> of the equality of all men, when the question: "Do you know who you're
>> talking to? " is still current among us; the myth of the heroism of the
>> oppressor classes as defenders of "Western Christian civilisation" against
>> "materialist barbarism"; the myth of the charity and generosity of the
>> elites, when what they really do as a class is to foster selective "good
>> deeds" (subsequently elaborated into the myth of "disinterested aid",
>> which on the international level was severely criticised by Pope John
>> XXIII); the myth that the dominant elites, "recognising their duties",
>> promote the advancement of the people, so that the people, in a gesture
>> of gratitude, should accept the words of the elites and be conformed to
>> them; the myth that rebellion is a sin against God; the myth of private
>> property as fundamental to personal human development (so long as
>> oppressors are the only true human beings); the myth of the
>> industriousness of the oppressors and the laziness and dishonesty of the
>> oppressed, as well as the myth of the natural inferiority of the latter
>> and the superiority of the former.
>>-----------------------------------------
>> More than a quarter-century after this was written the myths are
>> well-maintained by both the elites and the wannabe elites in western
>> capitalist societies.
>>
>> -lloyd

Derek McMillan

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I have looked at:
http://www.igc.org/tdu/
which gives the point of view of the campaign for a democratic union.
It quotes an ABC opinion poll as showing
40 percent support the strikers
30 percent support the management
30 percent don't know.

They also have chapter and verse about UPS's appalling safety record.

"Brimac" seems to be so busy kissing the boss's backside that it is a
wonder he can get to the keyboard. 8->

JudyS

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Captain wrote:

>
> Captain wrote:
> >
>
> > The obvious answer is part-time management. As a matter of
> > fact a lot of companies save money by giving self-employment
> > contracts to managers with no quarantee of continuance. Save
> > money on the benefits and get rid of them whenever business
> > slows. A lot of management jobs can be parceled out to two
> > part-timers by job sharing. After all, there is no promise
> > of a full-time job.
> > Why is it that when UPS goes into employment service offices
> > every Christmas to get extra help, their recruiters also use
> > the line that possibly something might open up after the holi-
> > days and the people they choose now would have preference.
> > And why is it when they send the reports in on those inter-
> > views, there is a space to check off those people interviewed
> > that are over 40.
>
> When was the last time UPS reengineered the management ranks.
> A lot of big corporations cleaned up all these middle management
> levels and saved a lot of money for their stockholders. AT&T,
> IBM, the auto cos., GE all found they had thousands of non-
> productive managers.
>
> _ _ _ _
>
> http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jasoncg/whitman.html
>
> Why don't you bring out one small, large or medium size
> business man that doesn't act in his own self interest.
> You can stand him in the spot that they had reserved for
> any businessman that ever started a business to create jobs.
Why does UPS have so many managers. Hire people able to read,
they pick up the packages, deliver them where addressed. With
technology changes today, has UPS looked at the number of
people sitting behind desks spamming the internet as a possible
source of savings?
--
It's not the size of the hammer, but the skill
of the carpenter that interests me.
Call a kool lady 1-888-233-2246

Mark

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Aug 20, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/20/97
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UPS has had a history of hiring from drivers, usually at a salary
that exceeds driver's wages. There are a lot of recent grad's with
enough experience and high tech current skills that could replace
some of these leftovers and UPS could see a substantial productivity
increases. A lot of these promoted drivers think in terms of
pensions and lifetime careers, think they're entitled to finish
out their working career without keeping up. Most of the college
kids doing the part-time loading are more up to date.
--
_ _ _ _ _
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those that can't teach become economists.

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Stan Rothwell

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If UPS is such a terrible organization....

(1) If you're an employee: Quit and find a new job...

(2) If you're a customer: send it FedEx next time...

(3) If you're a manager: Change your companies policies...

But QUIT YOUR WHINING to these newsgroups!!!!!

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