Newbie Question About School Vouchers
BroJack
have considerable clout, oppose them?
BroJack
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,92943,00.html
By Joanne Jacobs
Washington, D.C. public schools aren't good enough for the children of
Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La., but she doesn't want poor parents to get
help in getting their kids out of the system.
A pro-voucher vote under President Clinton, she's opposed to D.C.
vouchers now that President Bush is pushing them. William McGurn
writes in the Wall Street Journal:
Outside the committee's meeting room last week, 9-year-old Mosiyah
Hall, a D.C. public school student himself, politely asked Sen.
Landrieu where she sent her own children to school. "Georgetown Day,"
came the response, a reference to one of Washington's most exclusive
private schools. Mosiyah's mother says an obviously agitated Sen.
Landrieu then came over to a group of local mothers to explain that a
voucher would be no help for them here, because even with the $7,500
voucher this bill offers, they still couldn't afford Georgetown Day.
[snip]
R. Steve Walz
>
> Why do liberals oppose them? Is it because Unions, who apparently
> have considerable clout, oppose them?
> BroJack
No, it's because vouchers support private education with public funds,
further stealing by the rich who want special educational ops for
their kids, from the poor who have to then settle for an even MORE
deterioriated public school system because of the money drain. We
know that nobody disadvantaged or even average will ACTUALLY get the
same educational ops as the rich, the costs would skyrocket if that
were true, and they aren't going to. The rich believe everyone else
should be made to pay for the perquisites of the rich. How do you
think they GOT rich, it was NOT by working harder than most folks!
Steve
BroJack
wrote:
So you're saying that po' folks aren't allowed to have vouchers?
BroJack
K.A.Z
Vouchers are nothing more than modern day busing.
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Unix IS user friendly, it just chooses its friends wisely.
K.A.Z
That's the problem, Vouchers will send the black-element into the private
school system, and guess what, We will have to pay for it. Parents spend
thousands of dollars a year to keep their children in a decent school, Now
the government wants to send the same element that you wanted to keep your
kids away from to the schools that you have to pay for.
If you love your children, home school them.
R. Steve Walz
I'm saying that vouchers will always be shown to be useless to them
by comparison, and that they have damaged public education!
Steve
R. Steve Walz
Which we need to get rid of racism.
Steve
Dana
"BroJack" <bro...@windswept.org> wrote in message
news:d850ecc89a05c7dc...@news.meganetnews.com...
What he is really saying is that poor people cannot have a decent education,
and that they are to forced into public schools to be brainwashed with
secular humanist BullShit.
>
> BroJack
Dana
"R. Steve Walz" <rst...@armory.com> wrote in message
news:3F22D5...@armory.com...
They have not damaged the public education system. And where they are being
used, vouchers have proven to be a success.
R. Steve Walz
I see:
Like Science and Evolution and Birth Control and AIDS education.
I see, so you want them to believe in Xtian Fundy superstition from
the Dark Ages, think Lamarkism is how we got here (if you cut the
tails off enough cats, cats will be born without tails), want your
daughters to all wind up pregnant at 14, have AIDS and die horribly.
Your kind are too fucking stupid to even live!
Steve
R. Steve Walz
Not yet, we haven't permitted them yet, moron!
> And where they are being
> used, vouchers have proven to be a success.
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Where they are being used, they have resulted in private school
closings and changing their admission policies to deny them.
You idiot.
Steve
brojack
wrote:
>----------------------------------
>Some homeschoolers are just racist and classists who seek to
>brainwash their kids.
You really don't address the issue. As the other guy says, under the
voucher system, normal parents will have to spend thousands of dollars
for pvt. school which will be shared with the black element. The
issue is why do conservatives support this and liberals reject it? It
sounds like a typical pinko liberal scheme and yet the liberals and
most schwartzers reject it.
As for your support of bussing, many schwartzers do not want to go to
school with whites: "We gotz our own culcher" much less be bussed.
Hell, they want their own dorms, own graduation ceremonies, etc.
Maybe that's the answer; they know they cannot compete in pvt. schools
which are far less hesitant when it comes to expelling them.
BroJack
BroJack
wrote:
>---------------
>Where they are being used, they have resulted in private school
>closings and changing their admission policies to deny them.
>You idiot.
>Steve
Which schools have been closed? And why? Which schools have changed
admission policies? How have admission policies been changed?
Or are you just posting unsubstantiated assertions again?
BroJack
R. Steve Walz
The Rightists suspect that the private schools will get benefits that
the population element they are mindlessly terrified of will not be
able to use, either for the travel mechanics, education prerequisites,
or additional cost. But they think it will reduce their own costs for
schooling, i.e., paying BOTH tax for public schools they don't use,
AND tuition to private schools that are exorbitant.
> As for your support of bussing, many schwartzers do not want to go to
> school with whites: "We gotz our own culcher" much less be bussed.
> Hell, they want their own dorms, own graduation ceremonies, etc.
--------------------
Why would blacks wish to be around whites who are allowed to abuse
them financially or any other way? Still, most blacks DO want an equal
education, and separate has NEVER been equal!! They KNOW that!
> Maybe that's the answer; they know they cannot compete in pvt. schools
> which are far less hesitant when it comes to expelling them.
> BroJack
--------------------
They know no such thing, and neither do you. And even among the small
percentage of which that may be partially true, those students are
ignorant and unprepared BECAUSE of having been systematically deprived
of educational and life opportunity by poverty induced by racism.
Steve
R. Steve Walz
>
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 21:28:32 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rst...@armory.com>
> wrote:
>
> >---------------
> >Where they are being used, they have resulted in private school
> >closings and changing their admission policies to deny them.
> >You idiot.
> >Steve
>
> Which schools have been closed? And why? Which schools have changed
> admission policies? How have admission policies been changed?
----------
Read, JAckAss, read.
Steve
BroJack
wrote:
>BroJack wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 21:28:32 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rst...@armory.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >---------------
>> >Where they are being used, they have resulted in private school
>> >closings and changing their admission policies to deny them.
>> >You idiot.
>> >Steve
>>
>> Which schools have been closed? And why? Which schools have changed
>> admission policies? How have admission policies been changed?
>> BroJack
>----------
>Read, JAckAss, read.
>Steve
Just as I thought. You can no more substantiate your assertions on
this issue than you can to support your assertion that childhood
sexual abuse is beneficial to the child.
You're just a big bullshit artist.
No wonder, you're ignored.
BroJack
BroJack
wrote:
Yeah, but as soon as the schwartzers fuck up, and you know they will,
the voucher system will be trashed and it'll be back to business as
usual.
But what about the 2nd part, why do you pinkies reject vouchers? You
think the public school system is about to be improved any time soon?
>> As for your support of bussing, many schwartzers do not want to go to
>> school with whites: "We gotz our own culcher" much less be bussed.
>> Hell, they want their own dorms, own graduation ceremonies, etc.
>--------------------
>Why would blacks wish to be around whites who are allowed to abuse
>them financially or any other way? Still, most blacks DO want an equal
>education, and separate has NEVER been equal!! They KNOW that!
Then why don't they accept the vouchers for that equal education they
crave. Duh.
>> Maybe that's the answer; they know they cannot compete in pvt. schools
>> which are far less hesitant when it comes to expelling them.
>> BroJack
>--------------------
>They know no such thing, and neither do you.
>And even among the small
>percentage of which that may be partially true, those students are
>ignorant and unprepared BECAUSE of having been systematically deprived
>of educational and life opportunity by poverty induced by racism.
>Steve
Noy to mention IQs of 85 and a "feel-good about y' bad self rather
than learn" mindset.
BroJack
R. Steve Walz
>
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 22:11:07 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rst...@armory.com>
> wrote:
>
> >BroJack wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 21:28:32 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rst...@armory.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >---------------
> >> >Where they are being used, they have resulted in private school
> >> >closings and changing their admission policies to deny them.
> >> >You idiot.
> >> >Steve
> >>
> >> Which schools have been closed? And why? Which schools have changed
> >> admission policies? How have admission policies been changed?
> >> BroJack
> >----------
> >Read, JAckAss, read.
> >Steve
>
> Just as I thought. You can no more substantiate your assertions on
> this issue
I could, but with you I will make you do the research, because it is
important for complete human shit like you to learn how and to be
burdened with the chore. It will keep you from having as much time
to lie on Usenet.
> than you can to support your assertion that childhood
> sexual abuse is beneficial to the child.
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Sexual ABUSE is NOT beneficial!
BUT!: Consensual sexual exploration that the child desires
and enjoys, that *IS* beneficial, and is NOT abuse, obviously!
If the child or teen chooses it and ask the kid, they will say
they liked it , now, later, in their adulthood, and always.
--
You've always been a shit-fucking lying posturing disingenuous
piece of antisexual rightist fundy Filth.
Steve
R. Steve Walz
I don't and you don't either. Research on affirmative action outcomes
are all indicating it is beneficial.
> the voucher system will be trashed and it'll be back to business as
> usual.
----------------
It will be trashed when Amerika figures lout which human shit were
scamming them.
> But what about the 2nd part, why do you pinkies reject vouchers? You
> think the public school system is about to be improved any time soon?
------------------
We think people need to be forced to fix the public schools, rather
than diddle with privatizing classist racist "alternatives" that merely
disguise the issues.
> >> As for your support of bussing, many schwartzers do not want to go to
> >> school with whites: "We gotz our own culcher" much less be bussed.
> >> Hell, they want their own dorms, own graduation ceremonies, etc.
> >--------------------
> >Why would blacks wish to be around whites who are allowed to abuse
> >them financially or any other way? Still, most blacks DO want an equal
> >education, and separate has NEVER been equal!! They KNOW that!
>
> Then why don't they accept the vouchers for that equal education they
> crave. Duh.
----------------------------
They know they are a sham.
> >> Maybe that's the answer; they know they cannot compete in pvt. schools
> >> which are far less hesitant when it comes to expelling them.
> >> BroJack
> >--------------------
> >They know no such thing, and neither do you.
> >And even among the small
> >percentage of which that may be partially true, those students are
> >ignorant and unprepared BECAUSE of having been systematically deprived
> >of educational and life opportunity by poverty induced by racism.
> >Steve
>
> Noy to mention IQs of 85
---------------------------
You can't even spell "not". That IQ would be yours.
My IQ is 165+, go shit your pants.
>and a "feel-good about y' bad self rather
> than learn" mindset.
> BroJack
-------------------------
Learning feels good about yourself. Nothing else does.
As usual you're a shit-fucking lying piece of Filth.
Steve
toto
wrote:
>They have not damaged the public education system. And where they are being
>used, vouchers have proven to be a success.
This is a myth - read the research on Milwaukee and Cleveland
voucher programs.
Vouchers are tuition subsidies for students in public schools to
attend private schools and/or for students already in private
schools. Publicly funded voucher programs are currently underway
in Milwaukee and Cleveland. Privately funded voucher programs
are underway in a variety of places, including most major cities
(Atlanta, New York City, Baltimore, Baton Rouge, Boston, Buffalo,
Chicago, Newark, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Washington, DC,
and others). This overview provides information from independent
evaluations of existing voucher programs, as well as other
published reports, on the results thus far of these voucher
programs.
Student Achievement
In general, evaluations of voucher students’ achievement show no
or only small improvements relative to comparable public school
students.
The Milwaukee Voucher Program (started in 1990)
In Milwaukee, an evaluation of the first five years of the voucher
program by University of Wisconsin-Madison Professor
John Witte shows no achievement differences between voucher
students and comparable Milwaukee Public School students. The
results are consistent with 30 years of research showing no
significant achievement differences between private and public
students, once background characteristics or course-taking are
taken into account. (Source: John Witte et al, Fifth Year Report:
Milwaukee Parental Choice Program, University of Wisconsin-
Madison, 1995; and Achievement Effects of the Milwaukee
Voucher Program, University of Wisconsin-Madison, 1997.)
Professors Jay Greene (University of Houston) and Paul Peterson
and Jiangtao Du (Harvard University) re-analyzed Witte’s data and
concluded that Milwaukee’s voucher students outperformed public
school students in math and reading. This analysis, however,
focused on students in only 3 of the 20 private schools in the
voucher program, and charts contained in the report show that
results are only statistically significant for math in the fourth year
of the program. There was no statistically significant voucher
student advantage in reading for any of the four years and no
statistically significant advantage in math for any of the first three
years. (Source: Jay Greene, Paul Peterson, and Jiangtao Du,
The Effectiveness of School Choice in Milwaukee: A Secondary
Analysis of Data from the Program’s Evaluation, Harvard
University, 1996.)
Princeton University Professor Cecilia Rouse found that students
in Milwaukee’s “P-5” public school program, which used extra
resources to reduce class sizes, outperformed regular public
school students and voucher students in reading, and did as well
as voucher students and better than other public school students
in math. (Source: Cecilia E. Rouse, Private School Vouchers
and Student Achievement: An Evaluation of the Milwaukee
Parental Choice Program, Princeton University, 1997.)
The Cleveland Voucher Program (started in 1996)
A state-sponsored independent evaluation of Cleveland’s
voucher program for the first year, conducted by researchers
at Indiana University, found no significant achievement
differences in all subjects between voucher students and
comparable Cleveland public school students. In the
second-year evaluation, there was no achievement difference
in math, English, science and social studies, with a slight
advantage for voucher students in language arts. (Sources:
Kim Metcalf, et al, A Comparative Evaluation of the Cleveland
Scholarship and Tutoring Program and Evaluation of the
Cleveland Scholarship Program, Second Year Report,
1997-98, Indiana University, 1998.)
Just as with the public schools bad and good are
mixed in the new *private* voucher schools and many
of them, while they begin with high expectations and
good intentions don't survive and thus harm the students
who must then return to regular public schools sometimes
behind the regular students do to incompetence in the
administrations of new schools. It is not as easy as
people think to start a really good school and it requires
money for pay and facilities.
Interesting story about the schools that start up as
*voucher schools* here:
http://www.weac.org/news/sept96/vouchers.htm
--
Dorothy
There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..
Outer Limits
toto
wrote:
>What he is really saying is that poor people cannot have a decent education,
>and that they are to forced into public schools to be brainwashed with
>secular humanist BullShit.
The myth that private schools are *better* is an interesting one.
While some private schools are better than some public schools, the
fact is that the best public schools do outperform the elite private
schools. My question would be how do we make sure that the public
schools in the inner cities come up to these standards.. And, of
course, part of the answer is funding.. The other part is a change in
student attitude and in parent's involvement in those schools.
My kids attended Evanston Township High School in the late 80s
and early 90s. Both of them had challenging courses - honors and
AP classes that were NOT provided by the several elite private
schools in the area. Aside from the general core requirements, the
variety of electives offered was so much more than any private
school could offer that the very diverse student body was much more
likely to find challenging and interesting opportunities there as well
And the variety of extracurricular activities was also overwhelmingly
better than any of the nearby private schools.
Money Magazine's Study of Public and Private Schools
The popular media has also begun to investigate the issue of
private school superiority. The October, 1994 issue of Money
Magazine (Topolnicki) reached some important conclusions in
its empirical study of public and private schools:
"Forget the myth that private schools are the best.
Our survey shows many public schools are every bit as good
--if not better" (p. 98).
Students who attend the best public schools outperform most
private school students. Furthermore, the level of student
achievement is relatively similar at advantaged public and
elite prep schools (p. 100).
The average public school teacher has stronger academic
qualifications than the average private school teacher (p. 100).
(Half of all public school teachers hold advanced degrees,
compared with only a third of private school instructors).
The best public schools offer a more challenging curriculum than
most private schools (p. 100).
Public school class sizes are no larger than in most private
schools and are smaller than in most Catholic schools (p. 100).
"The best news to come out of Money's survey of public and private
schools across America was that by and large, public schools are
not lacking in experienced topnotch teachers, challenging courses
or an environment that is conducive to learning. What many public
schools are lacking is a student body brimming with kids eager to
take advantage of what the school has to offer" (p. 112).
"Shocked? So were we. After all, some of us, like some of you,
send our children to private schools and thus pay twice for
education--through high property taxes plus tuition. Indeed,
roughly 30% of the kids who live in affluent public school
districts came out best in our study attend private schools,
vs. only 11% of all U.S. students. If you are the parent of
one of those kids, here's the bottom line: You are probably
wasting your hard-earned money" (p. 100).
brojack
wrote:
So how come you are against vouchers for pvt. schools?
>> the voucher system will be trashed and it'll be back to business as
>> usual.
>----------------
>It will be trashed when Amerika figures lout which human shit were
>scamming them.
Your response makes no sense at all.
>> But what about the 2nd part, why do you pinkies reject vouchers? You
>> think the public school system is about to be improved any time soon?
>------------------
>We think people need to be forced to fix the public schools, rather
>than diddle with privatizing classist racist "alternatives" that merely
>disguise the issues.
Oh, now I see: money, money, money. The DC per-pupil expenditure in
the is the highest in the US, and so are the teachers' salaries.
The students' performance is the worst.
>> >> As for your support of bussing, many schwartzers do not want to go to
>> >> school with whites: "We gotz our own culcher" much less be bussed.
>> >> Hell, they want their own dorms, own graduation ceremonies, etc.
>> >--------------------
>> >Why would blacks wish to be around whites who are allowed to abuse
>> >them financially or any other way? Still, most blacks DO want an equal
>> >education, and separate has NEVER been equal!! They KNOW that!
>>
>> Then why don't they accept the vouchers for that equal education they
>> crave. Duh.
>----------------------------
>They know they are a sham.
Non -response.
You don't even understand the issue.
Stick to pedophilia.
>> >> Maybe that's the answer; they know they cannot compete in pvt. schools
>> >> which are far less hesitant when it comes to expelling them.
>> >> BroJack
>> >--------------------
>> >They know no such thing, and neither do you.
>> >And even among the small
>> >percentage of which that may be partially true, those students are
>> >ignorant and unprepared BECAUSE of having been systematically deprived
>> >of educational and life opportunity by poverty induced by racism.
>> >Steve
>>
>> Noy to mention IQs of 85
>---------------------------
>You can't even spell "not". That IQ would be yours.
>My IQ is 165+, go shit your pants.
The pedophile can't discuss the issue.
Just a bullshit artist.
>>and a "feel-good about y' bad self rather
>> than learn" mindset.
>> BroJack
>-------------------------
>Learning feels good about yourself. Nothing else does.
>
>As usual you're a shit-fucking lying piece of Filth.
>Steve
Fucking babies feels good to you.
BroJack
brojack
wrote:
The pedophile slithers away again. Slither pedo, slither.
>> than you can to support your assertion that childhood
>> sexual abuse is beneficial to the child.
>-----------------------
>Sexual ABUSE is NOT beneficial!
Then stop doing it.
Bro Jack
brojack
wrote:
>The myth that private schools are *better* is an interesting one.
Myth? Where the fuck do you live: Mars?
Get your ass down to DC where pupil expenditure and teacher salaries
are the highest and student performance is the worst and then talk to
me.
Gawd almighty, you gotta have a screw loose to think that public ed is
any match for pvt. ed.
BroJack
Dana
You claimed that they have already damaged public education. Seems We have
caught you in a little lie here.
Besides the fact that all studies that are unbiased indicate that vouchers
if implemented wide scale would actually help public schools by reducing
class sizes, and forcing the public schools to clean up their act.
Just the threat of using vouchers in Florida has made the public schools
more accountable to the public, and have improved the performance of failing
and border line schools.
>
>
> > And where they are being
> > used, vouchers have proven to be a success.
> ---------------
> Where they are being used, they have resulted in private school
> closings
Wrong
and changing their admission policies to deny them.
> You idiot.
Strike three, you are out of lies.
> Steve
Dana
"R. Steve Walz" <rst...@armory.com> wrote in message
news:3F22FB...@armory.com...
In other words he is making false emotional allegations.
So just what private schools have closed and which ones have changed their
admission practices.
Dana
"R. Steve Walz" <rst...@armory.com> wrote in message
news:3F2303...@armory.com...
> BUT!: Consensual sexual exploration that the child desires
> and enjoys, that *IS* beneficial, and is NOT abuse, obviously!
>
> If the child or teen chooses it and ask the kid, they will say
> they liked it , now, later, in their adulthood, and always.
Maybe someone ought to notify the police in your town or city of your views
here. And at just want an age are we talking about. Seems you are very
similar to that guy that ran off with that 12 year old from England.
I sure hope you are not in a position to be around children, as you seem to
be a threat to these children.
Dana
"toto" <scar...@wicked.witch> wrote in message
news:ja16iv4sqt3r9g108...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:15:27 -0800, "Dana" <your...@example.com>
> wrote:
>
> >They have not damaged the public education system. And where they are
being
> >used, vouchers have proven to be a success.
>
> This is a myth - read the research on Milwaukee and Cleveland
> voucher programs.
The research says they are succeeding, and that the parents involved love
them.
You lose again.
What I really want to know is why you think you have some kind of authority
to demand that all children be sent to public schools, and that parents
cannot be allowed the choice of where to send their kids to school.
Dana
"R. Steve Walz" <rst...@armory.com> wrote in message
news:3F22F0...@armory.com...
To bad that is not what is being taught, but that sally has two mothers, and
homosexual sex acts are normal is what is being taught.
If only the basics like science, math, language, and history were being
taught, there would be no problem with the public school system. But that is
not what the public school system is being used for. It is being used to
preach the beliefs of secular humanism, which is that if it feels good just
do it, as morals are situational and changeable from one second to the next.
>
> I see, so you want them to believe in Xtian Fundy superstition from
> the Dark Ages,
I really doubt you would find anything in this thread that indicates anyone
wants that at all. Bust since that is your only argument, we see how narrow
minded you really are.
> Your kind are too fucking stupid to even live!
Margret Sanger, the founder of planned parenthood, and a secular humanist
had the same views for the blacks, the menatlly handicapped, and the poor.
Seems some things never change with the secular humanists.
And as for your remark above, bring it on, as I would be more than happy to
send you to the hospital, as I am against killing another human, I would
have no problem turning you into a ball less gimp who will need at the least
a cane to walk around with. I would want you to remember the mistake you
made.
So I live in Fairbanks Alaska, so come on up here before it gets to cold.
> Steve
Dana
"toto" <scar...@wicked.witch> wrote in message
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:13:57 -0800, "Dana" <your...@example.com>
> wrote:
>
> >What he is really saying is that poor people cannot have a decent
education,
> >and that they are to forced into public schools to be brainwashed with
> >secular humanist BullShit.
>
> The myth that private schools are *better* is an interesting one.
Than do tell us why the very same people who claim that this is a myth send
their kids to Private schools. The democrats who universally reject
vouchers, and who just rejected the use of Vouchers for the students in
Washington D.C. refuse to send their children to any public school in the
area, and instead most of the childrn of the democrat politicians are all
going to private schools.
toto
wrote:
I sent my kids to public schools. They got a better education there
than they could ever have done in private schools here.
Please cite each politician who is sending their child to private
schools. Yes, there are probably many. Both democrats and
republicans do this, btw. Why should my tax money go to pay
for their children's private schools?
There are public schools that are bad. Most of these are in the
very rural areas or in the inner cities. Most of the suburban schools
have money and do a good job. The top performers in these schools
do better than the top performers in the private schools - as Money
Magazine noted.
The point is that if we are going to spend money on a system, let's
spend it to bring public schools in poor areas up to the standards
of schools like ETHS and New Trier, not give money to private schools
and particularly not to religious schools which people of other
religions don't want to pay for.
toto
wrote:
>What I really want to know is why you think you have some kind of authority
>to demand that all children be sent to public schools, and that parents
>cannot be allowed the choice of where to send their kids to school.
Send them anywhere you want. But pay for it with your own money, not
with mine
toto
wrote:
>To bad that is not what is being taught, but that sally has two mothers, and
>homosexual sex acts are normal is what is being taught.
Please give a real example of where this is being taught?
Now, if you mean that when a child who has gay parents is in a class,
teachers and the school will not accept other children bullying those
children and telling them that there family is *not* normal, then that
is certainly true. Why should we allow a child to be teased and
bullied because of his parents race, sexual orientation or
disabilities?
R. Steve Walz
Vouchers are not some form of AA. They are a way to steal funds from
public education and route it to the service of a rich religious
minority as a way to defray greater taxation of the rich as society
advances.
> >> the voucher system will be trashed and it'll be back to business as
> >> usual.
> >----------------
> >It will be trashed when Amerika figures lout which human shit were
> >scamming them.
>
> Your response makes no sense at all.
----------------------------------
It seems so to you only because you're not bright enough to
understand it.
> >> But what about the 2nd part, why do you pinkies reject vouchers? You
> >> think the public school system is about to be improved any time soon?
> >------------------
> >We think people need to be forced to fix the public schools, rather
> >than diddle with privatizing classist racist "alternatives" that merely
> >disguise the issues.
>
> Oh, now I see: money, money, money. The DC per-pupil expenditure in
> the is the highest in the US, and so are the teachers' salaries.
------------------------------------
That's ONLY because of prices in the DC area.
> The students' performance is the worst.
---------------------------------
That's because they are being slighted by the rich who all private
school THEIR kids and keep trying to crank down taxes for schools
so they don't have to pay both.
> >> >> As for your support of bussing, many schwartzers do not want to go to
> >> >> school with whites: "We gotz our own culcher" much less be bussed.
> >> >> Hell, they want their own dorms, own graduation ceremonies, etc.
> >> >--------------------
> >> >Why would blacks wish to be around whites who are allowed to abuse
> >> >them financially or any other way? Still, most blacks DO want an equal
> >> >education, and separate has NEVER been equal!! They KNOW that!
> >>
> >> Then why don't they accept the vouchers for that equal education they
> >> crave. Duh.
> >----------------------------
> >They know they are a sham.
>
> You don't even understand the issue.
----------------------------
I understand just fine, you're the one who's not bright enough to
understand what I said.
> Stick to pedophilia.
---------------------------
That would be your hobby, you shit-mouthed Filth.
> >> >> Maybe that's the answer; they know they cannot compete in pvt. schools
> >> >> which are far less hesitant when it comes to expelling them.
> >> >> BroJack
> >> >--------------------
> >> >They know no such thing, and neither do you.
> >> >And even among the small
> >> >percentage of which that may be partially true, those students are
> >> >ignorant and unprepared BECAUSE of having been systematically deprived
> >> >of educational and life opportunity by poverty induced by racism.
> >> >Steve
> >>
> >> Noy to mention IQs of 85
> >---------------------------
> >You can't even spell "not". That IQ would be yours.
> >My IQ is 165+, go shit your pants.
>
> The pedophile can't discuss the issue.
-----------------------------------
You're right, you can't.
> Just a bullshit artist.
---------------------------
You certainly are, you shit-mouthed Filth.
> >>and a "feel-good about y' bad self rather
> >> than learn" mindset.
> >> BroJack
> >-------------------------
> >Learning feels good about yourself. Nothing else does.
> >
> >As usual you're a shit-fucking lying piece of Filth.
> >Steve
>
> Fucking babies feels good to you.
>
> BroJack
------------------------------
No, you must mean you, you shit-mouthed piece of lying Filth.
Steve
R. Steve Walz
>
> "toto" <scar...@wicked.witch> wrote in message
> news:ja16iv4sqt3r9g108...@4ax.com...
> > On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:15:27 -0800, "Dana" <your...@example.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >They have not damaged the public education system. And where they are
> being
> > >used, vouchers have proven to be a success.
> >
> > This is a myth - read the research on Milwaukee and Cleveland
> > voucher programs.
>
> The research says they are succeeding, and that the parents involved love
> them.
Read the data, you're lying. They cost more and do less, than that
same money expended differently to benefit public education.
> You lose again.
-------------
You're the loser.
> What I really want to know is why you think you have some kind of authority
> to demand that all children be sent to public schools,
----------------------
"to provide for the common defense, to promote the general welfare,
... do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States
of America." God I love it when rightist shits don't even know where
the govt derives its power.
> and that parents
> cannot be allowed the choice of where to send their kids to school.
------------------------
They can, but the rest of us shouldn't have to pay for it.
Steve
toto
wrote:
>Gawd almighty, you gotta have a screw loose to think that public ed is
>any match for pvt. ed.
Both my kids got a better education in the Evanston public schools
than they could have at any of the private schools nearby.
And the Money Magazine you clipped and did not answer certainly
was clear on the fact that throwing money at private schools does not
guarantee a good education. My son was tutoring valedictorians of
those private schools in math as a freshman and most of them had
no clue about the concepts they needed though they were quite good
a plugging numbers into formulas.
In my son's class, we had the national winner of the mathematics
competition who went to Cuba to compete in his sophomore year
(I think sophomore, could have been junior year). We had several
Westinghouse science competition winners, and the school had
supercomputer time through that competition for their projects. The
AP chem/phys program was a model for other schools including
some private schools. It was developed by the two men who taught
him chemistry and physics.
In my both my son and daughter's classes, there were students who
had completed the 4 years of high school courses at 15 or 16 who
continued at the shcool because of the AP courses offered. Because
the school was affiliated with Northwestern's talent search, students
who completed all the APs were allowed to take dual credit for both
college and high school at NU or local community colleges.
I assure you no private school could come close to offering the
variety and challenge that was offered to my children. Now, not
all public schools are up to this either.. OTOH, this is what we
should be aiming for, not propping up a private system which teaches
by rote what should be learned as concepts and problem solving.
R. Steve Walz
>
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:13:57 -0800, "Dana" <your...@example.com>
> wrote:
>
> >What he is really saying is that poor people cannot have a decent education,
> >and that they are to forced into public schools to be brainwashed with
> >secular humanist BullShit.
>
> The myth that private schools are *better* is an interesting one.
>
> While some private schools are better than some public schools, the
> fact is that the best public schools do outperform the elite private
> schools. My question would be how do we make sure that the public
> schools in the inner cities come up to these standards.. And, of
> course, part of the answer is funding.. The other part is a change in
> student attitude and in parent's involvement in those schools.
>
> My kids attended Evanston Township High School in the late 80s
> and early 90s. Both of them had challenging courses - honors and
> AP classes that were NOT provided by the several elite private
> schools in the area. Aside from the general core requirements, the
> variety of electives offered was so much more than any private
> school could offer that the very diverse student body was much more
> likely to find challenging and interesting opportunities there as well
> And the variety of extracurricular activities was also overwhelmingly
> better than any of the nearby private schools.
The reason is obvious: Whereas privatization is divisive and divides
efforts into smaller organizational structures, so that they cannot
EACH afford to offer large variety of coursework, the enforced
organization of public education makes an enormous variety of teaching
and course offering possible, and of course does it without anyone
needing to make a profit either, which ALSO saves a LOT of money!
Steve
R. Steve Walz
And so do you imagine your little meaningless undefended rant somehow
disproves the science? You REALLY ARE just an idiot!
Steve
R. Steve Walz
>
> "toto" <scar...@wicked.witch> wrote in message
> news:o726iv4gn2t5n4agd...@4ax.com...
> > On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:13:57 -0800, "Dana" <your...@example.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >What he is really saying is that poor people cannot have a decent
> education,
> > >and that they are to forced into public schools to be brainwashed with
> > >secular humanist BullShit.
> >
> > The myth that private schools are *better* is an interesting one.
>
> Than do tell us why the very same people who claim that this is a myth send
> their kids to Private schools.
They can afford it, and their kids friends are going.
> The democrats who universally reject
> vouchers, and who just rejected the use of Vouchers for the students in
> Washington D.C. refuse to send their children to any public school in the
> area, and instead most of the childrn of the democrat politicians are all
> going to private schools.
------------------------------------
First, that's not even totally true that ALL the democrats do, and
repubs do even moreso, and second, security for the families of
Senate/Congress is simpler in a smaller private school where they all
attend. There are about two major private high schools which have most
of the children of Congress and the Senate. Many members of Congress
leave their families in their home districts anyway.
As I said, it's basically just that all their friends are going.
They do all come from elsewhere, not DC, and have more in common with
those same other children of Senators and Congress members.
Steve
R. Steve Walz
>
> bro...@windswept.org (BroJack) wrote in message news:<d850ecc89a05c7dc...@news.meganetnews.com>...
> > On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 16:53:15 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rst...@armory.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >BroJack wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Why do liberals oppose them? Is it because Unions, who apparently
> > >> have considerable clout, oppose them?
> > >> BroJack
> > >------------------
> > >No, it's because vouchers support private education with public funds,
> > >further stealing by the rich who want special educational ops for
> > >their kids, from the poor who have to then settle for an even MORE
> > >deterioriated public school system because of the money drain. We
> > >know that nobody disadvantaged or even average will ACTUALLY get the
> > >same educational ops as the rich, the costs would skyrocket if that
> > >were true, and they aren't going to. The rich believe everyone else
> > >should be made to pay for the perquisites of the rich. How do you
> > >think they GOT rich, it was NOT by working harder than most folks!
> > >Steve
> >
> > So you're saying that po' folks aren't allowed to have vouchers?
> >
> > BroJack
>
> saying is that "public funds" don't really belong to the public from
> whence they came. They belong to the government, which effectively
> means they belong to the NEA and sundry other teacher's unions
-------------------
No, you're merely a shitty little lying piece of rightist filth,
once more propagandizing that the govt is not just we ourselves,
and that govt is some conspiracy to take YOUR money.
But it's NOT YOUR money if we take it, it's OUR money, because
without us and our protection of what you have you could be
robbed and killed at will by any other gang or horde and you'd
have the "right" to precisely NOTHING! The govt gets to decide
who owns what and what "property" shall be defended. When it
taxes you it says that something you claim is not truly yours,
but all of ours, for the use of the body politic!!
> and
> public school entities ripping off the taxpayer with hostage funds
> being fed to democrat pigs running the system. That's what he's really
> saying and I just thought I'd translate it. (Cordially, Marie
---------------------------
Without a govt to defend you using funding derived from wealth you
had previously claimed, you'd be a robbed deceaased victim of a rape
gang or have to hide in a wet hole someplace and hope everybody just
goes away so you can breathe again. THAT'S what GOVT is FOR, THAT'S
WHAT IT DOES!!!!! Govt is a protection racket that you and your friends
started!
Steve
R. Steve Walz
You're such a stupid useless fucking liar that you don't even have
enough to be sued for slander. You're judgement proof and your
many creditors have given up on you as an economic derelict!!
> >> than you can to support your assertion that childhood
> >> sexual abuse is beneficial to the child.
> >-----------------------
> >Sexual ABUSE is NOT beneficial!
>
> Then stop doing it.
-----------------------
YOU'RE the only sexual abuser here, you shit-mouthed piece of
Fundy Filth!
Steve
R. Steve Walz
You're nothing but a fucking liar, of course.
> Besides the fact that all studies that are unbiased indicate that vouchers
> if implemented wide scale would actually help public schools by reducing
> class sizes, and forcing the public schools to clean up their act.
---------------------------
When you say "all studies that are unbiased" you of course mean some
that you have concocted, since no REAL ones that YOU'D agree with
EVEN EXIST!
> Just the threat of using vouchers in Florida has made the public schools
> more accountable to the public, and have improved the performance of failing
> and border line schools.
------------------------------
Nonsense. What a ridiculous lie. People only lie like that on Usenet,
because you don't confront your peers here often.
> > > And where they are being
> > > used, vouchers have proven to be a success.
> > ---------------
> > Where they are being used, they have resulted in private school
> > closings
>
> Wrong
---------------------------------------
No, I'm not, you're lying.
Steve
R. Steve Walz
>
> "R. Steve Walz" <rst...@armory.com> wrote in message
> news:3F22FB...@armory.com...
> > BroJack wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 21:28:32 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rst...@armory.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >---------------
> > > >Where they are being used, they have resulted in private school
> > > >closings and changing their admission policies to deny them.
> > > >You idiot.
> > > >Steve
> > >
> > > Which schools have been closed? And why? Which schools have changed
> > > admission policies? How have admission policies been changed?
> > > BroJack
> > ----------
> > Read, JAckAss, read.
> > Steve
>
> In other words he is making false emotional allegations.
JackAss is, yes.
> So just what private schools have closed and which ones have changed their
> admission practices.
-------------------
Go do your own homework.
Steve
R. Steve Walz
>
> "R. Steve Walz" <rst...@armory.com> wrote in message
> news:3F2303...@armory.com...
> > BUT!: Consensual sexual exploration that the child desires
> > and enjoys, that *IS* beneficial, and is NOT abuse, obviously!
> >
> > If the child or teen chooses it and ask the kid, they will say
> > they liked it , now, later, in their adulthood, and always.
>
> Maybe someone ought to notify the police in your town or city of your views
> here.
Are you of the delusional view that my political opinions are illegal?
Are you of the erroneous view that my political opinions indicate my
sexual preferences?
Maybe someone should burn your fucking house down?
Now is that a threat, a question, a political opinion, or what?
Actually *I* WAS a kid who LOVED sex with other kids, teens and
adults. As an adult I have always preferred women (and some men)
my age (now 53, say 45-60) and I like them with big tits and fat
hairy asses. I've ALWAYS liked sex with older people, WHEN I WAS
A KID, AND EVEN NOW!
So as you see, you're just a sexually backward moron who simply
hasn't made enough room in your tiny little brain for things you
don't understand, probably because you were smacked around for
playing with yourself as a child!
> And at just want an age are we talking about. Seems you are very
> similar to that guy that ran off with that 12 year old from England.
----------------------------
No, HE actually thought she was an adult and hadn't checked her ID
just because she was big, precocious and had big tits! Also he was
in the army. Now *I* wouldn't have been that stupid in EITHER case!!
> I sure hope you are not in a position to be around children, as
> you seem to
> be a threat to these children.
----------------------
Hahah. You're a real moronic cretin.
My own adult children, 29M and 27F, are amused by sexually damaged
and confused little Fundy assholes like you.
Steve
R. Steve Walz
They ARE normal, you moron!! Everything that FEELS good IS good,
you idiot! Next you're going to try to come up with something
hideous and ask whether if THAT FEELS good should we DO IT!
All you're managed to do is LIE, you asshole, because those
things DON'T really feel good!!
To be raised SANELY about sex, a person MUST be taught that the
things they really would secretly LIKE to try ARE GOOD for them!
Why? Because they WILL Do those things, no matter WHAT morons like
YOU say or believe, you sick Fundy asshole!
> If only the basics like science, math, language, and history were being
> taught, there would be no problem with the public school system. But that is
> not what the public school system is being used for. It is being used to
> preach the beliefs of secular humanism,
---------------
Secular Humanism is the Truth, you Fundy Asshole! It is Science, it
is Evolution, it is Human Rights, it is demolishing superstitions like
your twisted damaged sexual attitudes, it is the correction of people's
understanding of Capitalism by pointing out that it is merely a
disguised continuation of the now discredited Feudalism, and should be
DESTROYED in favor of a Democratic Communism: Where everyone has EQUAL
right to the planet they were born on, and CANNOT be made to slave for
those who are rich, because of their thefts from the rest of us, just
to have a "borrowed" roof over our heads, when all the roofs themselves
were built by our poor worker ancestors and the rich built NOTHING!!
Secular Humanism is the recognition that every man's hour upon the
earth is equal in value to our Democracy, and so everyone must be paid
the same per hour, and they must be guaranteed an equal share of what
was already here when they were born, left for them by their worker
and enslaved ancestors! We have been heading ever closer toward this
since the Magna Carta and the Enlightenment, and we're getting ever
closer now!
> which is that if it feels good just do it,
--------------------
If it REQLLY feels good, then it IS good, moron!!
> as morals are situational and changeable from one second to the next.
---------------------------
They're not "changable", they are situational, you idiot!
If I rob someone it depends entirely upon whether he first robbed ME
before we can decide whether I'm robbing him or merely recovering
stolen property from him!! And the person IN THEIR SITUATION is how
they must be judged! THAT'S what situational ethics means, that there
are no absolutes in a vacuum that ignore everything before them.
> > I see, so you want them to believe in Xtian Fundy superstition from
> > the Dark Ages,
>
> I really doubt you would find anything in this thread that indicates anyone
> wants that at all. Bust since that is your only argument, we see how narrow
> minded you really are.
>
> > Your kind are too fucking stupid to even live!
>
> Margret Sanger, the founder of planned parenthood, and a secular humanist
> had the same views for the blacks, the menatlly handicapped, and the poor.
> Seems some things never change with the secular humanists.
---------------------------------
She was a white woman of her times. She believed in Eugenics too,
which isn't a bad idea, just misapplied by rightists like Hitler.
[Your whining simpering threat noises deleted]
----------------
Steve
BroJack
wrote:
So you're sayingthat the underclass will fuck up in the pvt. schools.
Otherwise, you'd be for vouchers.
>> >> the voucher system will be trashed and it'll be back to business as
>> >> usual.
>> >----------------
>> >It will be trashed when Amerika figures lout which human shit were
>> >scamming them.
>>
>> Your response makes no sense at all.
>----------------------------------
>It seems so to you only because you're not bright enough to
>understand it.
Try explaining it first.
>> >> But what about the 2nd part, why do you pinkies reject vouchers? You
>> >> think the public school system is about to be improved any time soon?
>> >------------------
>> >We think people need to be forced to fix the public schools, rather
>> >than diddle with privatizing classist racist "alternatives" that merely
>> >disguise the issues.
>>
>> Oh, now I see: money, money, money. The DC per-pupil expenditure in
>> the is the highest in the US, and so are the teachers' salaries.
>------------------------------------
>That's ONLY because of prices in the DC area.
DC doesn't have the highest prices in the US.
>> The students' performance is the worst.
>---------------------------------
>That's because they are being slighted by the rich who all private
>school THEIR kids and keep trying to crank down taxes for schools
>so they don't have to pay both.
So let the schwartzers go to the pvt. schools. What are you afraid
of?
>> >> >> As for your support of bussing, many schwartzers do not want to go to
>> >> >> school with whites: "We gotz our own culcher" much less be bussed.
>> >> >> Hell, they want their own dorms, own graduation ceremonies, etc.
>> >> >--------------------
>> >> >Why would blacks wish to be around whites who are allowed to abuse
>> >> >them financially or any other way? Still, most blacks DO want an equal
>> >> >education, and separate has NEVER been equal!! They KNOW that!
>> >>
>> >> Then why don't they accept the vouchers for that equal education they
>> >> crave. Duh.
>> >----------------------------
>> >They know they are a sham.
>>
>> You don't even understand the issue.
>----------------------------
>I understand just fine, you're the one who's not bright enough to
>understand what I said.
See questions above.
>> Stick to pedophilia.
>---------------------------
>That would be your hobby, you shit-mouthed Filth.
No, you writings over the past 12 years say otherwise.
>> >> >> Maybe that's the answer; they know they cannot compete in pvt. schools
>> >> >> which are far less hesitant when it comes to expelling them.
>> >> >> BroJack
>> >> >--------------------
>> >> >They know no such thing, and neither do you.
>> >> >And even among the small
>> >> >percentage of which that may be partially true, those students are
>> >> >ignorant and unprepared BECAUSE of having been systematically deprived
>> >> >of educational and life opportunity by poverty induced by racism.
>> >> >Steve
>> >>
>> >> Noy to mention IQs of 85
>> >---------------------------
>> >You can't even spell "not". That IQ would be yours.
>> >My IQ is 165+, go shit your pants.
>>
>> The pedophile can't discuss the issue.
>-----------------------------------
>You're right, you can't.
Steve the pedo is running again.
Why not just fail to respond to the question, rather than run your
mouth about something you don't understand?
>> Just a bullshit artist.
>---------------------------
>You certainly are, you shit-mouthed Filth.
It's no wonder you're ignored; all hot air and personal opinions.
>> >>and a "feel-good about y' bad self rather
>> >> than learn" mindset.
>> >> BroJack
>> >-------------------------
>> >Learning feels good about yourself. Nothing else does.
>> >
>> >As usual you're a shit-fucking lying piece of Filth.
>> >Steve
>>
>> Fucking babies feels good to you.
>>
>> BroJack
>------------------------------
>No, you must mean you, you shit-mouthed piece of lying Filth.
All this bitterness because your mother blew it in 1950 ... literally.
BroJack
BroJack
wrote:
The only benefit to engaging you in Usenet is to keep you away from
the children in Santa Cruz, pervert.
>> >> than you can to support your assertion that childhood
>> >> sexual abuse is beneficial to the child.
>> >-----------------------
>> >Sexual ABUSE is NOT beneficial!
>>
>> Then stop doing it.
>-----------------------
>YOU'RE the only sexual abuser here, you shit-mouthed piece of
Your postings say otherwise.
BroJack
BroJack
wrote:
>brojack wrote:
The same *science* you follow in asserting that adults fucking
children is harmless to the child, and may be beneficial?
BroJack
R. Steve Walz
> Otherwise, you'd be for vouchers.
No, and you know that I'm not.
Why do you always try to twist what others say?
Do you LIKE being nothing but a shit-fucking liar?
> >> Stick to pedophilia.
> >---------------------------
> >That would be your hobby, you shit-mouthed Filth.
>
> No, you writings over the past 12 years say otherwise.
[]
> Steve the pedo is running again.
------------------------
You're just a shit-fucking lying piece of filth.
Steve
R. Steve Walz
You're nothing but a shit-mouthed piece of lying Filth.
Steve
R. Steve Walz
"Adults fucking children" is always your twisted lying whine,
when all I support is exploration the child may want, and that IS
ALWAYS beneficial because the child is in charge of their world!
You're nothing but a shit-fucking lying piece of Filth!
Steve
brojack
wrote:
Bottom line: You see nothing wrong with adults fucking children.
BroJack
brojack
wrote:
>BroJack wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 16:59:55 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rst...@armory.com>
>>
>> So you're sayingthat the underclass will fuck up in the pvt. schools.
>> Otherwise, you'd be for vouchers.
>-----------------------------------
>No, and you know that I'm not.
>Why do you always try to twist what others say?
>Do you LIKE being nothing but a shit-fucking liar?
First you say that separate but equal is no good. Then you say that
boogies could compete at pvt. schools. But then you don't want them
in pvt. schools via vouchers.
Has lying with chilluns caused syphilis of your brain?
BroJack
R. Steve Walz
That couldn't occur unless the child, probably fairly near
puberty, wanted it themself, you lying antisexual piece of
shit-fucking fundy Filth.
Steve
R. Steve Walz
>
> On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 22:02:17 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rst...@armory.com>
> wrote:
>
> >BroJack wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 16:59:55 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rst...@armory.com>
> >>
> >> So you're sayingthat the underclass will fuck up in the pvt. schools.
> >> Otherwise, you'd be for vouchers.
> >-----------------------------------
> >No, and you know that I'm not.
> >Why do you always try to twist what others say?
> >Do you LIKE being nothing but a shit-fucking liar?
>
> First you say that separate but equal is no good.
The Supreme Court said that in the 1954 decision on integration.
They said that separate is ALWAYS unequal.
Steve
BroJack
wrote:
Your evasion is noted.
BroJack
BroJack
wrote:
Same bottom line, as cited above.
BroJack
R. Steve Walz
That wasn't an "evasion", you lying piece of filth, that was a
correction. *I* DIDN'T say it, the Supreme Court of the USA did!
Steve
R. Steve Walz
You're too stupid to even know the difference.
Steve
No User
"Dana" <your...@example.com> wrote in message
news:vi6jgnk...@corp.supernews.com...
> To bad that is not what is being taught, but that sally has two mothers,
and
> homosexual sex acts are normal is what is being taught.
> If only the basics like science, math, language, and history were being
> taught, there would be no problem with the public school system. But that
is
> not what the public school system is being used for. It is being used to
> preach the beliefs of secular humanism, which is that if it feels good
just
> do it, as morals are situational and changeable from one second to the
next.
How right you are. Could you imagine what would happen if they wanted to
have an all 'straight' public school..You would hear never ending screams of
racism.
First public gay high school to open in NYC
> http://www.cnn.com/2003/EDUCATION/07/28/gay.school.ap/
>
> First public gay high school to open in NYC
> Monday, July 28, 2003 Posted: 1:31 PM EDT (1731 GMT)
>
>
> NEW YORK (AP) -- New York City is creating the nation's first public
> high school for gays, bisexuals and transgender students.
>
> The Harvey Milk High School will enroll about 100 students and open in
> a newly renovated building in the fall. It is named after San
> Francisco's first openly gay city supervisor, who was assassinated in
> 1978.
>
> "I think everybody feels that it's a good idea because some of the
> kids who are gays and lesbians have been constantly harassed and
> beaten in other schools," Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Monday. "It
> lets them get an education without having to worry."
>
> The school is an expansion of a two-classroom public school program
> that began in 1984. A gay-rights youth advocacy group, the
> Hetrick-Martin Institute, has managed and financed the program since
> its inception.
>
> The new school's principal, William Salzman, said the school will be
> academically challenging and will follow mandatory English and math
> programs. It also will specialize in computer technology, arts and
> culinary arts.
>
> State Conservative Party Chairman Mike Long criticized the creation of
> the school.
>
> "Is there a different way to teach homosexuals? Is there gay math?
> This is wrong," Long said. "There's no reason these children should be
> treated separately."
>
> The Hetrick-Martin Institute's Web site says the school will give its
> students "an opportunity to obtain a secondary education in a safe and
> supportive environment. ... We believe that success requires the
> ability to respect and value the diverse human community."
>
BroJack
wrote:
But you omitted addressing the other two sentences:
First you say that separate but equal is no good. Then you say that
boogies could compete at pvt. schools. But then you don't want them
in pvt. schools via vouchers.
BroJack
BroJack
wrote:
Your backtracking is noted.
Perhaps, some child's parent is pursuing you.
BroJack
dragonlady
"No User" <NoU...@NoSpam.orgggggg> wrote:
> "Dana" <your...@example.com> wrote in message
> news:vi6jgnk...@corp.supernews.com...
>
> > To bad that is not what is being taught, but that sally has two mothers,
> and
> > homosexual sex acts are normal is what is being taught.
> > If only the basics like science, math, language, and history were being
> > taught, there would be no problem with the public school system. But that
> is
> > not what the public school system is being used for. It is being used to
> > preach the beliefs of secular humanism, which is that if it feels good
> just
> > do it, as morals are situational and changeable from one second to the
> next.
>
> How right you are. Could you imagine what would happen if they wanted to
> have an all 'straight' public school..You would hear never ending screams of
> racism.
>
I don't know if this is a good idea or not, but before you scream about
it being somehow unfair, check the dropout rate among gay teens, and the
rate at which they are harrassed.
Last time I checked, no one got beat up in high school, or had teachers
make fun of them, for being straight.
Gay teens in most high schools, even those with gay-straight alliances,
face an incredibly hostile environment. Until that is changed, maybe it
IS necessary to offer a seperate high school for GLBT teens.
Of course, if you're just going to come back to me with the
'homosexuality is wrong' line -- well, then you are part of the problem
that this seperate school is attempting to solve.
meh
--
Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care
Alan Lichtenstein
>
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 16:53:15 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rst...@armory.com>
> wrote:
>
> >BroJack wrote:
> >>
> >> Why do liberals oppose them? Is it because Unions, who apparently
> >> have considerable clout, oppose them?
> >> BroJack
> >------------------
> >No, it's because vouchers support private education with public funds,
> >further stealing by the rich who want special educational ops for
> >their kids, from the poor who have to then settle for an even MORE
> >deterioriated public school system because of the money drain. We
> >know that nobody disadvantaged or even average will ACTUALLY get the
> >same educational ops as the rich, the costs would skyrocket if that
> >were true, and they aren't going to. The rich believe everyone else
> >should be made to pay for the perquisites of the rich. How do you
> >think they GOT rich, it was NOT by working harder than most folks!
> >Steve
>
> So you're saying that po' folks aren't allowed to have vouchers?
What he's saying is that even if you gave them a voucher, they would not
be able to use it to the same degree as the rich folks. That
conclusion, which was included in the article YOU posted, indicates
that. I re-post the citation for your review:
"Mosiyah's mother says an obviously agitated Sen. Landrieu then came
over to a group of local mothers to explain that a voucher would be no
help for them here, because even with the $7,500 voucher this bill
offers, they still couldn't afford Georgetown Day."
Now that was in the article YOU posted in your attempt to make whatever
point you thought yo wee making( pro-voucher advocates are hypocrites?
). but regardless, the effect is the same. Vouchers will likely not
help poor people, because a voucher does NOTHING to REQUIRE acceptance
by any who come with the voucher into whatever institution they want.
So, in reality, as has been pointed out to you, absent that requirement,
vouchers only serve to provide additional tax advantages for the rich.
Alan
R. Steve Walz
And that's your lie, the SCotUS said that.
> Then you say that
> boogies could compete at pvt. schools.
--------------
No one knows who you're talking about.
> But then you don't want them in pvt. schools via vouchers.
> BroJack
-------------
I don't want private schools to get public money to spew their
religious hate or profit the rich at public expense.
Steve
R. Steve Walz
> BroJack
No one's parent is pursuing me. You're diddling yourself impotently.
Steve
brojack
wrote:
Then why are you backtracking?
BroJack
brojack
wrote:
So why do you want to hold the schvassas back?
BroJack
R. Steve Walz
You can't even spell in English let alone Yiddish,
you sorry racist piece of Filth.
Steve
R. Steve Walz
Nobody knows what you're talking about.
Steve
No User
news:mehouck-235957...@newssvr13-ext.news.prodigy.com...
Why not apply the same standards to kids that are obese? Over weight
children are teased, lets get a public funded school just for fat kids.
While were at, Some kids teaz other kids who wear glasses, hmmmmmm, maybe we
should have a separate school for them. Whatdya think?
dragonlady
"No User" <NoU...@NoSpam.orgggggg> wrote:
I think you are not paying attention to reality.
GLBT kids deal with stuff a great deal worse than "teasing", or even
hazing. They get beat up, sometimes even killed by classmates, just
because they are gay. The schools often do nothing -- teachers will go
beyond simply turning their backs on the harrassment, and actually join
it in some cases.
Gay teens drop out of school at an astonishing rate, many of them
reporting an atmosphere that is so hostile that they are afraid to go to
school for fear of being physically assaulted. Here in California,
schools have been ordered to respond to the hostile atmosphere, but many
still do not. I know teens who have joined GSA (Gay-Straight
Alliances) in their high schools, only to have *teachers* begin to
harrass them.
Obese kids, kids with glasses, etc -- they are not dropping out of
school and killing themselves in disporportionate numbers because they
face such a hostile atmosphere.
I'm not sure that a seperate school IS the right response -- but as long
as high schools continue to be such overwhelmingly hostile environments
for GLBT teens, I'm not willing to say it is the wrong thing to do,
either.
meh
R. Steve Walz
No, we should simply beat, berate, punish, and disadvantage those who
torture them, until they learn what is acceptable and what is not.
Steve
BroJack
wrote:
When those with whom you lie in shit learn that you want to hold their
chilluns back from an education, they'll kill you.
BroJack
BroJack
wrote:
Now you're limiting your victims to those near puberty.
Previously,you supported fucking children of all ages.
Someone's after your ass and you're backtracking, but it won't work.
because your sins are a matter of public record.
BroJack
King Amdo
Blessed be.
King Amdo.
bro...@windswept.org (BroJack) wrote in message news:<fb447df79d1ffeae...@news.meganetnews.com>...
> Why do liberals oppose them? Is it because Unions, who apparently
> have considerable clout, oppose them?
>
> BroJack
> ________
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,92943,00.html
>
> By Joanne Jacobs
>
> Washington, D.C. public schools aren't good enough for the children of
> Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La., but she doesn't want poor parents to get
> help in getting their kids out of the system.
>
> A pro-voucher vote under President Clinton, she's opposed to D.C.
> vouchers now that President Bush is pushing them. William McGurn
> writes in the Wall Street Journal:
>
> Outside the committee's meeting room last week, 9-year-old Mosiyah
> Hall, a D.C. public school student himself, politely asked Sen.
> Landrieu where she sent her own children to school. "Georgetown Day,"
> came the response, a reference to one of Washington's most exclusive
> private schools. Mosiyah's mother says an obviously agitated Sen.
> Landrieu then came over to a group of local mothers to explain that a
> voucher would be no help for them here, because even with the $7,500
> voucher this bill offers, they still couldn't afford Georgetown Day.
>
> [snip]
ggull
"BroJack" <bro...@windswept.org> wrote in message
news:fb447df79d1ffeae...@news.meganetnews.com...
> Why do liberals oppose them? Is it because Unions, who apparently
> have considerable clout, oppose them?
>
> BroJack
> ________
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,92943,00.html
>
> By Joanne Jacobs
>
> Washington, D.C. public schools aren't good enough for the children of
> Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La., but she doesn't want poor parents to get
> help in getting their kids out of the system.
>
> A pro-voucher vote under President Clinton, she's opposed to D.C.
> vouchers now that President Bush is pushing them. William McGurn
> writes in the Wall Street Journal:
>
> Outside the committee's meeting room last week, 9-year-old Mosiyah
> Hall, a D.C. public school student himself, politely asked Sen.
> Landrieu where she sent her own children to school. "Georgetown Day,"
> came the response, a reference to one of Washington's most exclusive
> private schools. Mosiyah's mother says an obviously agitated Sen.
> Landrieu then came over to a group of local mothers to explain that a
> voucher would be no help for them here, because even with the $7,500
> voucher this bill offers, they still couldn't afford Georgetown Day.
>
> [snip]
and what, precisely, does this have to do with alt.native, you closet
commie?
Tommy-16
>
> Last time I checked, no one got beat up in high school, or had teachers
> make fun of them, for being straight.
>
> Gay teens in most high schools, even those with gay-straight alliances,
> face an incredibly hostile environment. Until that is changed, maybe it
> IS necessary to offer a seperate high school for GLBT teens.
>
> Of course, if you're just going to come back to me with the
> 'homosexuality is wrong' line -- well, then you are part of the problem
> that this seperate school is attempting to solve.
>
I don't like fags, but I don't pick on the ones at our school. As far as I
can tell no one else does either.
They cause the shit that you're talking about. They have their damn gay
clubs at school. Why in the hell would a person go around and flont there
sexuality? Ok, you're a *fag* and you're a *dyke*, so what? who gives a
shit?!
Lesbians are kinda cool. I like to watch them get it on in prono movies and
stuff..I'm sure you get off on that also.
Schools are fucked up................You can have a gay/fag club. You can't
have a straight club.
That shit is also against nature. It's not normal. But I guess you like
fags.
R. Steve Walz
I HAVE no "victims", you shitty little lying whore!
> Previously,you supported fucking children of all ages.
-----------------------
No. You are a delusional lying piece of filth!
Steve
R. Steve Walz
>
> dragonlady wrote:
>
> >
> > Last time I checked, no one got beat up in high school, or had teachers
> > make fun of them, for being straight.
> >
> > Gay teens in most high schools, even those with gay-straight alliances,
> > face an incredibly hostile environment. Until that is changed, maybe it
> > IS necessary to offer a seperate high school for GLBT teens.
> >
> > Of course, if you're just going to come back to me with the
> > 'homosexuality is wrong' line -- well, then you are part of the problem
> > that this seperate school is attempting to solve.
> >
>
> I don't like fags, but I don't pick on the ones at our school. As far as I
> can tell no one else does either.
You're lying, mistaken, and delusional. You know better.
> Why in the hell would a person go around and flont there
> sexuality?
------------------
You flaunt yours, illiterate!! Ever go to a dance?
> Lesbians are kinda cool. I like to watch them get it on in prono movies and
> stuff..I'm sure you get off on that also.
----------------------
"Porno", illiterate.
Ans those aren't lesbians, you idiot.
> Schools are fucked up................You can have a gay/fag club. You can't
> have a straight club.
-----------------------
All the other clubs are, you shit.
> That shit is also against nature. It's not normal.
-----------------------
Virtually every other species of advanced mammals have about the same
proportion of homosexuals, and it is especially common among all
varieties of ape, of which we are a variety. So of COURSE it's natural,
you unread uneducated little slack-jawed moron!
> But I guess you like fags.
------------------------
And you're terrified of them, for no reason, because they are harmless.
That's called a phobia, or an irratioanl fear, namely homophobia. You
are terrified that YOU'RE gay, probably because you have some of those
desires. Actually those desires are normal in humans, even supposedly
"straight" ones, because things aren't as easily so cut and dried as
"straight" and "gay", instead people are found in a range of feelings
and most have great willingness to experiment.
Actually apes like the human species are NOT precisely "straight" or
"gay", instead those are delusions, like something you talk yourself
into, when actually humans are pretty naturally "try-sexual", namely,
they will try ANYTHING to obtain orgasm as long as they don't feel
threatened with being cruelly labeled. This is revealed in prisons
in all those "straights" who magically become "gay for the stay". The
only holdouts in that situation are the terrified homophobes whose
self-esteem relies on their belief they are not gay because they were
beaten and intimidated as a child around those sexual issues by a
sociopathic father or step-father.
Steve
BroJack
wrote:
So now you're denying it.
Someone must be after you, pervert.
BroJack
R. Steve Walz
Because it didn't happen.
> Someone must be after you, pervert.
> BroJack
------------------
You're the pervert, you shitty lying piece of Filth.
Steve
R. Steve Walz
YOU'RE the only racist bastard who LIES IN YOUR SHIT, YOU FILTH!
Steve
BroJack
wrote:
So not only do you abuse their kids, you also don't want them
educated?
BroJack
BroJack
wrote:
Running scared, eh?
Some parent finally took action.
BroJack
R. Steve Walz
You're a sorry racist piece of Filth.
YOU'RE the only racist bastard who LIES IN YOUR SHIT, YOU FILTH!
R. Steve Walz
> BroJack
----------
No. You are a delusional lying piece of filth!
Steve
BroJack
wrote:
>BroJack wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 02:15:33 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rst...@armory.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Running scared, eh?
>> BroJack
>----------
>No. You are a delusional lying piece of filth!
>You're the only pervert here, you shitty lying piece of Filth.
We're hoping that it's a schvassa bringing the charges. The courts
tend to take them more seriously, being that they're "victims."
BroJack
BroJack
wrote:
>BroJack wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 00:20:59 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rst...@armory.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> So not only do you abuse their kids, you also don't want them
>> educated?
>> BroJack
>---------------
>You're a sorry racist piece of Filth.
>YOU'RE the only racist bastard who LIES IN YOUR SHIT, YOU FILTH!
You lie where they shit, suck-up to them, pretend to be their allies,
and then you stab their chillun in the back.
When they find out, WATCH OUT!
BroJack
R. Steve Walz
>
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:04:44 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rst...@armory.com>
> wrote:
>
> >BroJack wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 00:20:59 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rst...@armory.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> So not only do you abuse their kids, you also don't want them
> >> educated?
> >> BroJack
> >---------------
> >You're a sorry racist piece of Filth.
> >YOU'RE the only racist bastard who LIES IN YOUR SHIT, YOU FILTH!
>
> You lie where they shit, suck-up to them, pretend to be their allies,
> and then you stab their chillun in the back.
---------------------
Nobody has the vaguest notion what you're talking about.
You're a vicious shit-brained racist piece of filth.
Steve
brojack
wrote:
Not only in the back but also in the front. Pervert!
BroJack
Tommy
> Tommy-16 wrote:
>>
>> dragonlady wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Last time I checked, no one got beat up in high school, or had teachers
>> > make fun of them, for being straight.
>> >
>> > Gay teens in most high schools, even those with gay-straight alliances,
>> > face an incredibly hostile environment. Until that is changed, maybe
>> > it IS necessary to offer a seperate high school for GLBT teens.
>> >
>> > Of course, if you're just going to come back to me with the
>> > 'homosexuality is wrong' line -- well, then you are part of the problem
>> > that this seperate school is attempting to solve.
>> >
>>
>> I don't like fags, but I don't pick on the ones at our school. As far as
>> I can tell no one else does either.
> ------------------
> You're lying, mistaken, and delusional. You know better.
No I'm not..I don't want to be around them.
>> Why in the hell would a person go around and flont there
>> sexuality?
> ------------------
> You flaunt yours, illiterate!! Ever go to a dance?
Yeah, what's your point?
>> Lesbians are kinda cool. I like to watch them get it on in prono movies
>> and stuff..I'm sure you get off on that also.
> ----------------------
> "Porno", illiterate.
> Ans those aren't lesbians, you idiot.
If you typed 109 WPM you would make mistakes also..
Who the fuck are you to judge me? BroJack has proved you're a pedo. Before
you point out others faults, you need to look in the mirror PEDO!! I hope
the feds get you.
>> Schools are fucked up................You can have a gay/fag club. You
>> can't have a straight club.
> -----------------------
> All the other clubs are, you shit.
Ever heard of don't ask don't tell?
>> That shit is also against nature. It's not normal.
> -----------------------
> Virtually every other species of advanced mammals have about the same
> proportion of homosexuals, and it is especially common among all
> varieties of ape, of which we are a variety. So of COURSE it's natural,
> you unread uneducated little slack-jawed moron!
You lie! Where do you come up with such trash? Got a URL? Didn't think so!
If it wasn't against nature than two men could have a baby. As for the
dykes, well, they're here for my amusment. Lesbians are too cool.
>> But I guess you like fags.
> ------------------------
> And you're terrified of them, for no reason, because they are harmless.
> That's called a phobia, or an irratioanl fear, namely homophobia. You
> are terrified that YOU'RE gay, probably because you have some of those
> desires. Actually those desires are normal in humans, even supposedly
> "straight" ones, because things aren't as easily so cut and dried as
> "straight" and "gay", instead people are found in a range of feelings
> and most have great willingness to experiment.
I see that you follow the words of Sigmund Fraud. You FRAUDIANS don't know
your ass from a hole in the ground. Hate to bust your bubble, but your hero
'Fraud' was nothing more than a coke head!
> Actually apes like the human species are NOT precisely "straight" or
> "gay", instead those are delusions, like something you talk yourself
> into, when actually humans are pretty naturally "try-sexual", namely,
> they will try ANYTHING to obtain orgasm as long as they don't feel
> threatened with being cruelly labeled. This is revealed in prisons
> in all those "straights" who magically become "gay for the stay". The
> only holdouts in that situation are the terrified homophobes whose
> self-esteem relies on their belief they are not gay because they were
> beaten and intimidated as a child around those sexual issues by a
> sociopathic father or step-father.
> Steve
Got a URL?
R. Steve Walz
>
> R. Steve Walz wrote:
>
> > Tommy-16 wrote:
> >>
> >> dragonlady wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Last time I checked, no one got beat up in high school, or had teachers
> >> > make fun of them, for being straight.
> >> >
> >> > Gay teens in most high schools, even those with gay-straight alliances,
> >> > face an incredibly hostile environment. Until that is changed, maybe
> >> > it IS necessary to offer a seperate high school for GLBT teens.
> >> >
> >> > Of course, if you're just going to come back to me with the
> >> > 'homosexuality is wrong' line -- well, then you are part of the problem
> >> > that this seperate school is attempting to solve.
> >> >
> >>
> >> I don't like fags, but I don't pick on the ones at our school. As far as
> >> I can tell no one else does either.
> > ------------------
> > You're lying, mistaken, and delusional. You know better.
>
> No I'm not..I don't want to be around them.
Why, what are you afraid of, wussy? Never played with your dick
before, a male hand on a male glans? That's all they'd ever want
to do, think of it as second hand masturbation. Don't you wish
you could bend over and suck your dick, well another guy CAN!
You're missing a bet, Bud!
> >> Why in the hell would a person go around and flont there
> >> sexuality?
> > ------------------
> > You flaunt yours, illiterate!! Ever go to a dance?
>
> Yeah, what's your point?
-------------------------
You're flaunting your sexuality by advertising that you're a
heterosexual by going to a dance, so why shouldn't they flaunt
theirs, all they want is the freedom to act with theirs like
you do with yours without getting assaulted or harrassed!
They don't hang around and call you a "Breeder" who's a little
wussy for playing with girls' butts, ewww! Why should anyone
bother them? Gays are harmless! Only vicious straight guys
forcibly buttfuck other guys, and they only do it for domination,
so why would you be afraid of gays?
If you think about it seriously, the only thing that makes you
feel all icky about gays is your terror of being mistaken for
one and not getting to fuck girls. If there were no such fear
of being "mis-cast" in a way that keeps you from your sexually
preferred goal of fucking girls, you'd do anything to cum!!
> >> Lesbians are kinda cool. I like to watch them get it on in prono movies
> >> and stuff..I'm sure you get off on that also.
> > ----------------------
> > "Porno", illiterate.
> > Ans those aren't lesbians, you idiot.
>
> If you typed 109 WPM you would make mistakes also..
------------------------
I type 150 wpm and I don't. How do you think I post so much?
The point being that you aren't afraid of gay women only because
you couldn't possibly be mistaken for one, and you'd like it if
you COULD be!
> Who the fuck are you to judge me? BroJack has proved you're a pedo.
-------------------------
BroJackOff can't even prove he's human. Don't be stupid.
> Before
> you point out others faults, you need to look in the mirror PEDO!!
------------------------
I'm not a pedophile, you stupid little faggot.
> I hope the feds get you.
-----------------------------
They aren't interested.
> >> Schools are fucked up................You can have a gay/fag club. You
> >> can't have a straight club.
> > -----------------------
> > All the other clubs are, you shit.
>
> Ever heard of don't ask don't tell?
--------------------------------
Ever heard of all the other armies of the world and what they do
about it that makes ours look stupid? You wouldn't, you're an
illiterate putz.
> >> That shit is also against nature. It's not normal.
> > -----------------------
> > Virtually every other species of advanced mammals have about the same
> > proportion of homosexuals, and it is especially common among all
> > varieties of ape, of which we are a variety. So of COURSE it's natural,
> > you unread uneducated little slack-jawed moron!
>
> You lie! Where do you come up with such trash?
------------------------
Zoology books, you idiot.
> Got a URL? Didn't think so!
------------------------
There are so MANY that I don't even NEED to offer one.
If you don't know that then you're selectively illiterate.
> If it wasn't against nature than two men could have a baby.
--------------------
So it's against nature for two men to have a baby, so what????
If it was really against nature for two or more guys to have sexual
pleasure together, then IT wouldn't even be naturally possible,
BUT IT IS!!! It's even possible for non-gays to do it!!
> As for the
> dykes, well, they're here for my amusment. Lesbians are too cool.
--------------------------
You're only freaked by male gays because you're terrified of being
taken for one.
> >> But I guess you like fags.
> > ------------------------
> > And you're terrified of them, for no reason, because they are harmless.
> > That's called a phobia, or an irratioanl fear, namely homophobia. You
> > are terrified that YOU'RE gay, probably because you have some of those
> > desires. Actually those desires are normal in humans, even supposedly
> > "straight" ones, because things aren't as easily so cut and dried as
> > "straight" and "gay", instead people are found in a range of feelings
> > and most have great willingness to experiment.
>
> I see that you follow the words of Sigmund Fraud.
> You FRAUDIANS don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.
-----------------
Freud, you illiterate idiot. Not "Fraud". And it has nothing to
do with Freud.
> Hate to bust your bubble, but your hero
> 'Fraud' was nothing more than a coke head!
--------------------
He was a rich doctor in Vienna.
What are you, a gas station attendant??
> > Actually apes like the human species are NOT precisely "straight" or
> > "gay", instead those are delusions, like something you talk yourself
> > into, when actually humans are pretty naturally "try-sexual", namely,
> > they will try ANYTHING to obtain orgasm as long as they don't feel
> > threatened with being cruelly labeled. This is revealed in prisons
> > in all those "straights" who magically become "gay for the stay". The
> > only holdouts in that situation are the terrified homophobes whose
> > self-esteem relies on their belief they are not gay because they were
> > beaten and intimidated as a child around those sexual issues by a
> > sociopathic father or step-father.
> > Steve
>
> Got a URL?
---------------------------
I don't need one, I already read all those books.
All you have to do is read a bunch of them.
Bet you won't, you terrified little illiterate homophobic freak!
Steve
NancyS
appreciate their mothers as women? And do you think your views on sex
will someday become the norm in the distant future when the hangups in
the present become history? I get the impression from you you believe if
more people were smarter and truthful to themselves about their buried
passions there would be more sons bedding their sisters and mothers.
More kissing cousins. And 16 year old geeks who stayed home too long in
front of their computers might have concerned mothers walking into their
bedrooms barely dressed willling to provide physical activity. Do you
see the future this way? With families 100 years from now laughing at
our stupid hangups. How do you view yourself against the future norms
someday? Because if you are the future then all the lost sex of today
was lost for nothing.
R. Steve Walz wrote:
>
> brojack wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 22:06:01 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rst...@armory.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >BroJack wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:09:16 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rst...@armory.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >And so do you imagine your little meaningless undefended rant somehow
> > >> >disproves the science? You REALLY ARE just an idiot!
> > >>
> > >> The same *science* you follow in asserting that adults fucking
> > >> children is harmless to the child, and may be beneficial?
> > >> BroJack
> > >--------------
> > >"Adults fucking children" is always your twisted lying whine,
> > >when all I support is exploration the child may want, and that IS
> > >ALWAYS beneficial because the child is in charge of their world!
> > >
> > >You're nothing but a shit-fucking lying piece of Filth!
> >
> > Bottom line: You see nothing wrong with adults fucking children.
> >
> > BroJack
> ------------------------------
> That couldn't occur unless the child, probably fairly near
> puberty, wanted it themself, you lying antisexual piece of
> shit-fucking fundy Filth.
> Steve
hprep
allowed to show their ankles or sleep with strangers. There was less
crime and society was more civilized. Let Steve choke on those facts.
When sex came out of the closet society became more brutal. Sex makes
people go crazy. It is pleasure and pleasure is bad for the soul. That
is why 1903 is better than 2003.
goof
became freer so did husbands.
lisa dillon
I always love it when men argue on the minds and bodys of children and
the what THEY THINK and MORE!as special what little girls are
THINKING!!!
Have Daughters?
So What if NEER AGE of YOUR BUISNESS TO KNOW? CARE? What the KID
THINKS?
Your The ADULT!!! With the KNOWLADGE of YOUR RIGHT'S "N ALL! RIGHT
LEFT AND FORK'N OTHERWISE!!!! and of coures all the funding to Fight
about on and on and on Wha? the ways and means to abuse On Children
and your freak'n Rights to do so! play'n balls in courts of opinion!
Sports of anouther kine aply oxymoronicly media flavor of the day you
cannot help but see the SCORE your well done way's do happen to come
round to slap yourselves reallity silly REALLY NOW how does that
happen....Lisa D....
R. Steve Walz
>
> You forgot to compare us to the past. 100 years back women were not
> allowed to show their ankles or sleep with strangers. There was less
> crime
No, they just didn't CALL what others did to you CRIMES quite yet!
> and society was more civilized.
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Women and children could be publically beaten, even to death. Very
civilized, huh?
> Let Steve choke on those facts.
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You're the one who's gagging,
you backassward reactionary piece of crap!!
> When sex came out of the closet society became more brutal.
> Sex makes people go crazy.
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That's the myth you were brainwashed with,
which is why you believe the shit they dumped in your head.
> It is pleasure and pleasure is bad for the soul.
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You'll NEVER be able to demonstrate THAT one cogently!
You already sound like you're borderline INSANE!
> That is why 1903 is better than 2003.
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1903 was abusive backward shit.
You wouldn't want to have lived there.
Steve
R. Steve Walz
>
> > > > That couldn't occur unless the child, probably fairly near
> > > > puberty, wanted it themself, you lying antisexual piece of
> > > > shit-fucking fundy Filth.
> > > > Steve
>
> I always love it when men argue on the minds and bodys of children and
> the what THEY THINK and MORE!as special what little girls are
> THINKING!!!
Is this English of some kind?
What is "arguing 'on' the mind and bodys of children"??
And what was that run-on bit after it??
> Have Daughters?
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One, and a wife who was one and told me all this stuff.
And then on top of that dozens and dozens of lovers who told
me the same.
> So What if NEER AGE of YOUR BUISNESS TO KNOW?
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Again, could you try that again in English?
> CARE? What the KID
> THINKS?
> Your The ADULT!!! With the KNOWLADGE of YOUR RIGHT'S "N ALL! RIGHT
> LEFT AND FORK'N OTHERWISE!!!!
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You can't write in English.
I don't really think you can write in ANY language, actually.
> and of coures all the funding to Fight
> about on and on and on Wha?
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You're unintelligible.
> the ways and means to abuse On Children
> and your freak'n Rights to do so!
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No rights but the child's to get what THEY want IF THEY want it.
My friends and I and our kids know what we wanted when we were kids.
> play'n balls in courts of opinion!
> Sports of anouther kine aply oxymoronicly media flavor of the day you
> cannot help but see the SCORE your well done way's do happen to come
> round to slap yourselves reallity silly REALLY NOW how does that
> happen....Lisa D....
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I think you're missing a few layers in your cerebral cortex.
Steve