#Sicko? The truth abut the US medical system
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http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/060507H.shtml
Sicko? The Truth About the US Health Care System
By Andrew Gumbel
The Independent UK
Monday 04 June 2007
Michael Moore's new film is a damning indictment of the way the
world's richest country looks after those who fall ill.
Cynthia Kline knew exactly what was happening to her when she
suffered a heart attack at her home in Cambridge, Massachusetts. She
took the time to call an ambulance, popped some nitroglycerin tablets
she had been prescribed in anticipation of just such an emergency, and
waited for help to arrive.
On paper, everything should have gone fine. Unlike tens of
millions of Americans, she had health insurance coverage. The
ambulance team arrived promptly. The hospital where she had been
receiving treatment for her cardiac problems, a private teaching
facility affiliated with the Harvard Medical School, was just a few
minutes away.
The problem was, the casualty department at the hospital, Mount
Auburn, was full to overflowing. And it turned her away. The ambulance
took her to another nearby hospital but the treatment she needed, an
emergency catheterisation, was not available there. A flurry of phone
calls to other medical facilities in the Boston area came up empty.
With a few hours, Cynthia Kline was dead.
She died in an American city with one of the highest concentration
of top-flight medical specialists in the world. And it happened
largely because of America's broken health care system - one where 50
million people are entirely without insurance coverage and tens of
millions more struggle to have the treatment they need approved. As a
result, medical problems go unattended until they reach crisis point.
Patients then rush to hospital casualty departments, where by law they
cannot be turned away, overwhelming the system entirely. Everyone -
doctors and patients, politicians on both the left and the right -
agrees this is an insane way to run a health system.
When Elizabeth Hilsabeck gave birth to premature twins in Austin,
Texas, she encountered another kind of insanity. Again, she was
insured - through her husband, who had a good job in banking. But the
twins were born when she was barely six months pregnant, and the boy,
Parker, developed cerebral palsy. The doctors recommended physical
therapy to build up muscle strength and give the boy a fighting chance
of learning to walk, but her managed health provider refused to cover
it.
The crazy bureaucratic logic was that the policy covered only
"rehabilitative" therapy - in other words, teaching a patient a
physical skill that has been lost. Since Parker had never walked, the
therapy was in essence teaching him a new skill and therefore did not
qualify. The Hilsabecks railed, protested, won some small reprieves,
but ended up selling their home and moving into a trailer to cover
their costs. Elizabeth's husband, Steven, considered taking a new,
better-paying job, but chose not to after making careful inquiries
about the health insurance coverage. "When is he getting over the
cerebral palsy?" a prospective new insurance company representative
breezily asked the Hilsabecks. When Elizabeth explained he would never
get over it, she was told she was on her own.
Everyone in America has a health-care horror story or knows
someone who does. Mostly they are stories of grinding bureaucratic
frustration, of phone calls and officials letters and problems with
their credit rating, or of people ignoring a slowly deteriorating
medical condition because they are afraid that an expensive battery of
tests will lead to a course of treatment that could quickly become
unaffordable.
Even when things don't go horribly wrong, it is a matter of
surviving by the skin of one's teeth.
In Montana, Melissa Anderson can't find affordable insurance
because she is self-employed - an increasingly common affliction. When
her son Kasey came down with epilepsy two years ago, she was saved
only by a recently introduced child health insurance programme
specifically tailored to people who aren't poor but can't afford to
pay monster medical bills. She herself remains uninsured for anything
short of major care needs.
Over the past 15 years, the stories have become less about poor
people without the economic means to access the system - although that
remains a vast, unsolved problem - and more about the kind of people
who have every expectation they will be taken care of. Middle-class
people, people with jobs that carry health benefits or - as the
problem worsens - people with the sorts of jobs that used to carry
robust health benefits which are now more rudimentary and risk their
being cut off for a variety of reasons.
This is the morass that Michael Moore has chosen to explore in his
latest documentary, Sicko, which goes on release later this month.
Moore spends much of the film demonstrating that there is nothing
inevitable or necessary about a system that enriches insurance
companies and drug manufacturers but shortchanges absolutely everyone
else. His searching documentary looks at health care in France,
Britain, Canada, and even Cuba - still regarded as a model system for
the Third World.
Moore has his share of ghoulishly awful stories. The film kicks
off with an uninsured carpenter who has to decide whether to spend
$12,000 (£6,000) reattaching his severed ring finger or $60,000 to
reattach his severed middle finger. Later on, Moore focuses on a
hospital worker whose husband needed a bone marrow transplant to save
him from a rare disease. The couple's insurance company refused to
cover the transplant because it regarded the treatment as
"experimental". The husband died.
Many more stories are collected in a newly published book called
Sick: The Untold Story of America's Health Care Crisis, by Jonathan
Cohn. A woman in California called Nelene Fox died of breast cancer
after she, too, was turned down for a bone marrow transplant by her
insurance company. In Georgia, a family whose infant son went into
cardiac arrest were forced to take him to a hospital 45 miles away on
their insurance carrier's orders. He survived, but suffered permanent
disabilities that more prompt treatment might have averted. In New
York, an infant called Bryan Jones - whose case was trumpeted all over
the local media at the time - died of a heart defect that went
undetected because his insurance company kicked him and his mother out
of hospital 24 hours after his birth, too soon to carry out the tests
that might have spotted the problem.
America's health system offers a tremendous paradox. In medical
technology and in the scientific understanding of disease, it is
second-to-none. Since doctors are better paid than anywhere else in
the world, the country attracts the best of the best. And yet many, if
not most, Americans are unable to reap the advantages of this. In
fact, as The New York Times columnist Paul Krugman has argued, the
very proliferation of research and high-tech equipment is part of the
reason for the imbalance in coverage between the privileged few and
the increasingly underserved masses. "[The system] compensates for
higher spending on insiders, in party, by consigning more people to
outsider status -robbing Peter of basic care in order to pay for
Paul's state-of-the-art treatment," Krugman wrote recently. "Thus we
have the cruel paradox that medical progress is bad for many
Americans' health."
Having the system run by for-profit insurance companies turns out
to be inefficient and expensive as well as dehumanising. America
spends more than twice as much per capita on health care as France,
and almost two and a half times as much as Britain. And yet it falls
down in almost every key indicator of public health, starting,
perhaps, most shockingly, with infant mortality, which is 36 per cent
higher than in Britain.
A recent survey by the management consulting company McKinsey
estimated the excess bureaucratic costs of managing private insurance
policies - scouting for business, processing claims, and hiring
"denial management specialists" to tell people why their ailment is
not covered by their policy - at about $98bn a year. That, on its own,
is significantly more than the $77bn McKinsey calculates it would cost
to cover every uninsured American. If the government negotiated bulk
purchasing rates for drugs, rather than allowing the pharmaceutical
companies to set their own extortionate rates, that would save another
$66bn.
Astonishingly, there hasn't been a serious debate about health
care in the United States since Bill Clinton, with considerable input
from his wife Hillary, tried and failed to overhaul the system in
1994. That, though, may be about to change as the 2008 presidential
race heats up. Everyone acknowledges the system is broken. Everyone
recognises that 50 million uninsured - including almost 10 million
children - is unacceptable in a civilised society.
Even the old, classically American free-market argument - that
"socialised" medicine is somehow the first step on a slippery slope
towards godless communism - doesn't hold water, because in the absence
of a functioning private insurance regime the government ends up
picking up about 50 per cent of the overall costs for treatment
anyway. The indigent rely on a government programme called Medicaid.
The elderly have a government programme called Medicare. And perhaps
the most efficient part of the whole system is the Veterans'
Administration, a sort of NHS for former servicemen.
Rather like London and Paris in the 19th century, where the
authorities belatedly paid attention to outbreaks of cholera once the
disease started affecting the rich and middle classes, so the American
health crisis may be coming to a head because of the kinds of people
who are suffering from its injustices.
Corporate chief executives, for a start, are gagging under the
ever-increasing costs of providing coverage to their employees.
Starbucks now spends more on health care than it does on coffee beans.
Company health costs, as a whole, are at about the same level as
corporate profits. In a globalised world where US businesses are
competing with low-wage countries such as India and China, that is
rapidly becoming unacceptable.
That explains, perhaps, why the chief executive of Wal-Mart, Lee
Scott, has made common cause with America's leading service sector
union - more commonly a bitter critic of Wal-Mart's labour practices -
in calling for a government-run universal health care system by 2012.
It's going to be a tough battle. The insurance and pharmaceutical
industries bankroll the campaigns of dozens of congressmen and have so
far been brutally efficient in protecting their own interests. The
Clintons were defeated in 1994 in part because of the power of the
industry lobbies. Doing better this time will take singular political
courage.
In the meantime, we will hear ever more crazy stories like the one
told by Marijon Binder, a former nun in Chicago who ended up being
sued by a Catholic hospital for $11,000 because her two-night stay for
a heart scare was not considered a worthy charity case. Binder, who
works as a live-in companion to a disabled old woman, wrote on all her
admission forms that she had no insurance and, in her telling at
least, was reassured the hospital would take care of her anyway.
After a year and a monstrous bureaucratic fight that went nowhere,
a civil judge promptly absolved her of responsibility for her bill - a
lucky outcome, for sure. Binder said: "The whole experience was very
demeaning. It made me feel very guilty; it made me feel like a
criminal." She is, though, alive and solvent. Not everyone in this
system catches the same break.
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a.a. #2211 -- Bryan Zepp Jamieson
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some article:
> Cynthia Kline knew exactly what was happening to her when she
> suffered a heart attack at her home in Cambridge, Massachusetts. She
> took the time to call an ambulance, popped some nitroglycerin tablets
> she had been prescribed in anticipation of just such an emergency, and
> waited for help to arrive.
>
> On paper, everything should have gone fine. Unlike tens of
> millions of Americans, she had health insurance coverage. The
> ambulance team arrived promptly. The hospital where she had been
> receiving treatment for her cardiac problems, a private teaching
> facility affiliated with the Harvard Medical School, was just a few
> minutes away.
>
> The problem was, the casualty department at the hospital, Mount
> Auburn, was full to overflowing. And it turned her away. The ambulance
> took her to another nearby hospital but the treatment she needed, an
> emergency catheterisation, was not available there. A flurry of phone
> calls to other medical facilities in the Boston area came up empty.
> With a few hours, Cynthia Kline was dead.
Exact same thing happens in Socialized Medicine Britain; read the
London "mainstream" dailies - and you'll know all about it. Despite
the huge taxes to support socialized medicine there, Brit hospitals in
urban areas are so grossly overcrowded that a scandal erupted there in
the past five years over many doing "involuntary euthanasia" on old
patients - just to clear bed space!
No $4 to park! No $6 admission! http://www.INTERNET-GUN-SHOW.com
blazinglaser
> Exact same thing happens in Socialized Medicine Britain; read the
>London "mainstream" dailies - and you'll know all about it. Despite
>the huge taxes to support socialized medicine there, Brit hospitals in
>urban areas are so grossly overcrowded that a scandal erupted there in
>the past five years over many doing "involuntary euthanasia" on old
>patients - just to clear bed space!
So what you're saying is that socialized medicine and oligopoly for
-profit medicine BOTH suck.
So what we need is a Canadian-style single payer plan providing
universal coverage. I'm glad we agree on that one. 8^)
Dr. Barry Worthington
You are, of course, talking rubbish. But then, I only have extensive
experience of the NHS and happen to live here.
Dr. Barry Worthington
>
> No $4 to park! No $6 admission! http://www.INTERNET-GUN-SHOW.com- Hide quoted text -
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Dr. Barry Worthington
That describes most Natioal Health Services, including our British
one. 'Socialised medicine', by the way, means nothing. It's just an
American political slogan design to fool or frighten the public.
Dr. Barry Worthington
Kurt Nicklas
Harry, why your sensitivity about socialised medicine. Even the
defenders of the concept
here in the US frequently use the term.
Sensitive about identifying it as socialism are you?
Kurt Nicklas
Dr. Barry Worthington
But you are a nutter! Bugger off, and take your website with you......
I can't stand people who won't put up a decent argument
themselves.....
Dr. Barry Worthington
Dr. Barry Worthington
I don't think that they do. I mean, there isn't a concept behind it,
so you can't defend something that doesn't exist. It's a slogan used
by some Americans. It means nothing outside America, and it doesn't
really mean anything there either.
> Sensitive about identifying it as socialism are you?
But it isn't socialism, is it? But then, you wouldn't recognise a
socialist if you fell over one in the street. Now I've better things
to do with my time......
Dr. Barry Worthington
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Kurt Nicklas
Google it, Harry. You'll find many references like this, for example:
http://www.bartelby.com/65/so/socmed.html
> > Sensitive about identifying it as socialism are you?
>
> But it isn't socialism, is it? But then, you wouldn't recognise a
> socialist if you fell over one in the street.
Do socialists lie about on the street in Britain a lot?
Here they teach in universities and work on foundation grants.
> Now I've better things
> to do with my time......
I doubt it....
Kurt Nicklas
>
> But you are a nutter! Bugger off, and take your website with you......
What a silly little man you are.
> I can't stand people who won't put up a decent argument
> themselves.....
Providing cites is part of an argument, Harry. Get real.
3497 Dead
You're talking absolute bullshit, cupcakes. Now why don't you stop
spewing ridiculous lies and come back to earth?
Incidently, I read the Guardian daily, have for years. Aside from one
rogue doctor who turned out to be a serial killer, I've never heard of
euthanasia in the British medical system.
>
>No $4 to park! No $6 admission! http://www.INTERNET-GUN-SHOW.com
3497 Dead
Yet another set of Knickers lies (r).
3497 Dead
It's just another Knickers lie.
The term you hear here is "Universal Health Care'.
>
>> Sensitive about identifying it as socialism are you?
>
>But it isn't socialism, is it? But then, you wouldn't recognise a
>socialist if you fell over one in the street. Now I've better things
>to do with my time......
>
>Dr. Barry Worthington
>
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3497 Dead
It tells you all you need to know about Knickers when he considers the
Columbia Encyclopaedia to be a "socialist source"
David Moffitt
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> http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/060507H.shtml
>
> Sicko? The Truth About the US Health Care System
> By Andrew Gumbel
> The Independent UK
%%%% If you don't like it alien you can always go back home.
We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.”----
Hillary Clinton
3497 Dead
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>> http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/060507H.shtml
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>> Sicko? The Truth About the US Health Care System
>> By Andrew Gumbel
>> The Independent UK
>
> %%%% If you don't like it alien you can always go back home.
Davy, being an American shouldn't be a source of shame.
You just aren't doing it right, is all.
Dr. Barry Worthington
>
> > But you are a nutter! Bugger off, and take your website with you......
>
> What a silly little man you are.
>
> > I can't stand people who won't put up a decent argument
> > themselves.....
>
> Providing cites is part of an argument, Harry. Get real.
You didn't provide a cite. If you don't realise that, there's nothing
more to be said.
Dr. Barry Worthington
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David Moffitt
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> David Moffitt wrote:
>> "3497 Dead" <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
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>>> http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/060507H.shtml
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>>> Sicko? The Truth About the US Health Care System
>>> By Andrew Gumbel
>>> The Independent UK
>>
>> %%%% If you don't like it alien you can always go back home.
>
> Davy, being an American shouldn't be a source of shame.
>
> You just aren't doing it right, is all.
%%%% I'm an American citizen. ":o)
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I can Google NAZI and your picture comes up.
Chimpity Chimpity Bush
You don't seem to mind George Bush's socialism for Iraq programs, why worry
about a Democrat's?
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>> David Moffitt wrote:
>>> "3497 Dead" <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
>>> news:k3cc63pcl7ht0n2di...@4ax.com...
>>>> http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/060507H.shtml
>>>>
>>>> Sicko? The Truth About the US Health Care System
>>>> By Andrew Gumbel
>>>> The Independent UK
>>>
>>> %%%% If you don't like it alien you can always go back home.
>>
>> Davy, being an American shouldn't be a source of shame.
>>
>> You just aren't doing it right, is all.
>
> %%%% I'm an American citizen. ":o)
So was Benedict Arnold.
Steve
wrote:
>David Moffitt wrote:
>> "3497 Dead" <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
>> news:k3cc63pcl7ht0n2di...@4ax.com...
>>> http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/060507H.shtml
>>>
>>> Sicko? The Truth About the US Health Care System
>>> By Andrew Gumbel
>>> The Independent UK
>>
>> %%%% If you don't like it alien you can always go back home.
>
>Davy, being an American shouldn't be a source of shame.
So tell us, Zepp, just what does an alien that his been permanently
denied US citizenship know about being an American?
Therion Ware
<zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>One of the [Gold Star mothers], Elaine Johnson, recounted a meeting that she had with
>President Bush in which he gave her a presidential coin and told her
>and five other families: "Don't go sell it on eBay."
I find this difficult to believe, in as much as a follow on from
finding it difficult to believe that Pres. Bush knows what eBay is,
outside of a briefing session at least.
But if he did, I wonder what his watched auctions would be, and what
he might offer for sale, aside from your life, flag, honour and so
forth.
Therion Ware
<sh...@abertay.ac.uk> wrote:
[snip]
>But it isn't socialism, is it? But then, you wouldn't recognise a
>socialist if you fell over one in the street. Now I've better things
>to do with my time......
[snip]
True. Alas, sometimes one does get the impression that many (but not
all - thank in a purely figurative sense God) citizens of the United
States feel that anything an inch to the left of, say, José Efraín
Ríos Monttt is a de-facto card carrying Stalinist.
3499 Dead
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>> David Moffitt wrote:
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>>> news:k3cc63pcl7ht0n2di...@4ax.com...
>>>> http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/060507H.shtml
>>>>
>>>> Sicko? The Truth About the US Health Care System
>>>> By Andrew Gumbel
>>>> The Independent UK
>>> %%%% If you don't like it alien you can always go back home.
>> Davy, being an American shouldn't be a source of shame.
>>
>> You just aren't doing it right, is all.
>
> %%%% I'm an American citizen. ":o)
Well, keep it to yourself. Gawd knows Americans have enough on their
plate already.
3499 Dead
Well, he takes a Rufus T. Firefly approach to all the nation's highest
medals. "Good work! Medals for everyone!"
Dr. Barry Worthington
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> > David Moffitt wrote:
> >>news:k3cc63pcl7ht0n2di...@4ax.com...
> >>>http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/060507H.shtml
>
> >>> Sicko? The Truth About the US Health Care System
> >>> By Andrew Gumbel
> >>> The Independent UK
>
> >> %%%% If you don't like it alien you can always go back home.
>
> > Davy, being an American shouldn't be a source of shame.
>
> > You just aren't doing it right, is all.
>
> %%%% I'm an American citizen. ":o)
>
> We have another NEW grouping.... "Cowardly sniveling leftard girly-boyz
> against Bush" ---- Amanda (girl-boy) Williams revealing his "orientation"
> 11/30/2006 in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
How long have you had this problem?
Dr. Barry Worthington
blazinglaser
<autod...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
>I find this difficult to believe, in as much as a follow on from
>finding it difficult to believe that Pres. Bush knows what eBay is,
>outside of a briefing session at least.
>
>But if he did, I wonder what his watched auctions would be, and what
>he might offer for sale, aside from your life, flag, honour and so
>forth.
This is what psychologists call 'projection'. To Bush, a medal is
only worth what you could sell it for on EBay.
David Moffitt
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%%%% Yes and like you he like Britain better than the US.
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the
black flag, and begin slitting throats.---- H. L. Mencken
>
>
David Moffitt
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%%%% I do not consider being an American citizen a problem. People are dying
to get to this country even British "subjects".
"Every now and then when your life gets complicated and the weasels start
closing in, the only cure is to load up on heinous chemicals and then drive
like a bastard from Hollywood to Las Vegas ... with the music at top volume
and at least a pint of ether." - Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing in
Las Vegas
>
>
Steve
The reason, of course, that people like Worthington hate the USA so
much is because he knows that we're the big guy on the block.. pure
jealousy...
liber...@yahoo.com
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>>>> Sicko? The Truth About the US Health Care System
>>>> By Andrew Gumbel
>>>> The Independent UK
>>>
>>> %%%% If you don't like it alien you can always go back
>>> home.
>>
>> Davy, being an American shouldn't be a source of shame.
>>
>> You just aren't doing it right, is all.
>
> %%%% I'm an American citizen. ":o)
So was, for example, Tim McVeigh and Ted Bundy.
Your point is weaker than you'd like to believe.
liber...@yahoo.com
Ummm, no. He was a British citizen. He left for Britain when the
13 colonies were still colonies.
But I take your point.
liber...@yahoo.com
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>>>>>> http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/060507H.shtml
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sicko? The Truth About the US Health Care System
>>>>>> By Andrew Gumbel
>>>>>> The Independent UK
>>>>>
>>>>> %%%% If you don't like it alien you can always go back
>>>>> home.
>>>>
>>>> Davy, being an American shouldn't be a source of shame.
>>>>
>>>> You just aren't doing it right, is all.
>>>
>>> %%%% I'm an American citizen. ":o)
>>
>> So was Benedict Arnold.
>
> %%%% Yes and like you he like Britain better than the US.
Ummm, yeah, clearly you're not the "Benedict Arnold" type...more
the Tim McVeigh kind: sneak a bomb in, kill children. muffi, we
know ya too well.
liber...@yahoo.com
Since his mommy made him sleep in his own bed? Last week!
>
> Dr. Barry Worthington
>
>
>
Steve
While poor Zepp hates us because we're a club that refuses to allow
him to join... and now, since I exposed his status, he can't even
pretend to be a citizen on usenet...
"I have the right to vote against him in the next
election."
--Zepp Jamieson, 1996
http://www.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=4l6trj%24iq4%40news.snowcrest.net
"I will throw my vote away on a 3rd party candidate."
--Zepp Jamieson,2000/02/15
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=38a8c8d3.16637502%40news.snowcrest.net
"I can just as easily vote once now--in my local Congressional race"
--Zepp Jamieson, 1996
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.usa.misc/msg/a6fa6287419ce925?hl=en&
"You just doubled the value of my vote."
--Zepp Jamieson, 2000/04/25
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=3905050c.66719349%40news.snowcrest.net
"I -can- vote"
--Zepp Jamieson, 2000/04/25
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=4lmnit%24eiv%40news.snowcrest.net
[...] if we decide elections by square miles, my vote is worth
200 Los Angeles votes.
--Zepp Jamieson, 2000-12-18
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=tbit3tc60l1a6c1mj89b4o285anpe11kqa%404ax.com&oe=UTF-8
"Legal resident alien Zepp Jamieson, a Canadian who has lived
in the United States for more than 30 years, said his status
changed dramatically with the Patriot Act."
http://www.mtshastanews.com/archives/index.inn?loc=detail&doc=/2003/June/04-1695-news11.txt
Legal resident aliens aren't allowed to vote, Jamieson.
Why were you lying and pretending to be a citizen?
David Moffitt
<liber...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9947CE7FDA3B8l...@216.168.3.44...
> "David Moffitt" <moff...@peoplepc.com> wrote in
> news:Lwz9i.17300$Ut6....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
>>
>> "3497 Dead" <zep...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:q0z9i.16283$C96....@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net...
>>> David Moffitt wrote:
>>>> "3497 Dead" <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote in
>>>> message news:k3cc63pcl7ht0n2di...@4ax.com...
>>>>> http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/060507H.shtml
>>>>>
>>>>> Sicko? The Truth About the US Health Care System
>>>>> By Andrew Gumbel
>>>>> The Independent UK
>>>>
>>>> %%%% If you don't like it alien you can always go back
>>>> home.
>>>
>>> Davy, being an American shouldn't be a source of shame.
>>>
>>> You just aren't doing it right, is all.
>>
>> %%%% I'm an American citizen. ":o)
>
> So was, for example, Tim McVeigh and Ted Bundy.
>
> Your point is weaker than you'd like to believe.
%%%% Compared to a complaining alien? No it isn't.
David Moffitt
<liber...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9947CF76669F2l...@216.168.3.44...
%%%%% BZZZZZTT---- Wrong as always.
We have another NEW grouping.... "Cowardly sniveling leftard girly-boyz
against Bush" ---- Amanda (girl-boy) Williams revealing his “orientation”
11/30/2006 in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
>
>
>
>>
David Moffitt
"Steve" <steven...@lefties.suk.net> wrote in message
news:8mfe63dpma2b73tq5...@4ax.com...
%%%% I have been curious lately as to what is in zippy's FBI file. I may
send off for it under the Freedom of Information Act and find out exactly
why he is barred from becoming a citizen. I bet the file is as thick as the
New York City phone book by now. ":o)
We have another NEW grouping.... "Cowardly sniveling leftard girly-boyz
against Bush" ---- Amanda (girl-boy) Williams revealing his “orientation”
11/30/2006 in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
>
>
>
3497 Dead
Nah, Muppet's more the type who would be surreptitiously sending
supplies to the redcoats for a fat profit while turning in his
neighbors as collaborators for the reward.
>
>We have another NEW grouping.... "Cowardly sniveling leftard girly-boyz
>against Bush" ---- Amanda (girl-boy) Williams revealing his “orientation”
>11/30/2006 in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his
>>> hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.----
>>> H. L. Mencken
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
3497 Dead
<moff...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
Poor Muppet. I don't know what's sadder; your notion that FBI files
on private individuals are subject to FOIA, or the fact that you're
dumb enough to believe little Stevies bid for attention.
3497 Dead
<moff...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
Actually, the only people trying to get into America these days are
third worlders who haven't heard that conditions here aren't much
better.
>
>"Every now and then when your life gets complicated and the weasels start
>closing in, the only cure is to load up on heinous chemicals and then drive
>like a bastard from Hollywood to Las Vegas ... with the music at top volume
>and at least a pint of ether." - Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing in
>Las Vegas
>
>
>>
>>
>
Peacenik
>
> "3497 Dead" <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
> news:k3cc63pcl7ht0n2di...@4ax.com...
> >
> > http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/060507H.shtml
> >
> > Sicko? The Truth About the US Health Care System
> > By Andrew Gumbel
> > The Independent UK
>
> %%%% If you don't like it alien you can always go back home.
I have a better idea. Fix the system.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
Guy
Yeah, who wouldn't want to get into the Hollywood and TV America they see so
often. Unfortunately, once they arrive, they find out it's pure fiction.
David Moffitt
%%%% Stupid alien, they are subject to the FOIA.
or the fact that you're
> dumb enough to believe little Stevies bid for attention.
%%%% What bid? Do you mean his postings of you pretending to be a US citizen
with the right to vote?
After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and injured
1,000; President Clinton promised that those responsible would be
hunted down and punished.
After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S. military
personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down
and punished.
After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19
and injured 200 U.S. military personnel; Clinton promised that those
responsible would be hunted down and punished.
After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, which killed 224
and injured 5,000; Clinton promised that those responsible would be
hunted down and punished.
After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured 39
U.S. sailors; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted
down and punished.
Maybe if Clinton had kept his promise, an estimated 5,000 people in New
York, Pennsylvania, and Washington, D.C. who are now dead would be
alive today.
David Moffitt
%%%% Thanks for proving my point zippy. ":o)
We have another NEW grouping.... "Cowardly sniveling leftard girly-boyz
against Bush" ---- Amanda (girl-boy) Williams revealing his “orientation”
11/30/2006 in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
>
>
>>
Steve
yet they refuse to leave....
Steve
Says Zepp Jamieson, who isn't a US citizen but refuses to leave...
Steve
You notice that Zepp didn't deny that he was permanently barred from
becoming a citizen. Zepp has learned that it's no wise to lie on
Usenet.... Especially when I'm around....
At any rate, you can find out just about anything you want about just
about anyone with intellius.
Dr. Barry Worthington
> On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:59:50 GMT, "David Moffitt"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >"Dr.BarryWorthington" <s...@abertay.ac.uk> wrote in message
> >news:1181149715.9...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> >> On 6 Jun, 15:28, "David Moffitt" <moffi...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
> >>> "3497 Dead" <zep...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>
> >>>news:q0z9i.16283$C96....@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net...
>
> >>> > David Moffitt wrote:
> >>> >> "3497 Dead" <zepp22113...@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
> >>> >>news:k3cc63pcl7ht0n2di...@4ax.com...
> >>> >>>http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/060507H.shtml
>
> >>> >>> Sicko? The Truth About the US Health Care System
> >>> >>> By Andrew Gumbel
> >>> >>> The Independent UK
>
> >>> >> %%%% If you don't like it alien you can always go back home.
>
> >>> > Davy, being an American shouldn't be a source of shame.
>
> >>> > You just aren't doing it right, is all.
>
> >>> %%%% I'm an American citizen. ":o)
>
> >>> We have another NEW grouping.... "Cowardly sniveling leftard girly-boyz
> >>> against Bush" ---- Amanda (girl-boy) Williams revealing his "orientation"
> >>> 11/30/2006 in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
>
> >> How long have you had this problem?
>
> >> Dr.BarryWorthington
>
> >%%%% I do not consider being an American citizen a problem. People are dying
> >to get to this country even British "subjects".
>
> The reason, of course, that people likeWorthington
That's 'Doctor' Worthington to you....you are an ignorant little
merkin after all.....
>hate the USA so
I don't hate the USA...I don't even hate people with the limited brain
function that you seem to possess. You see, people like you tend to
make people like me feel inexpressibly superior and smug....
> much is because he knows that we're the big guy on the block..
A declining world power whose currency is going down the pan......sure
you are....
>pure
> jealousy...
So people like you say....ad nauseum....
So what is there to be jealous of?
Your economic power? You are living on credit, and running
unsustainable deficits. Your manufacturing is disappearing. Large
numbers of your jobs are disappearing abroad.
Your political system? After George Bush, everyone is laughing at you.
Your last two Presidential elections were ac joke.
Your politicised justice system with its high profile miscarriages of
justice and Guantanamo? Don't be silly!
Your country's reputation has never been lower. Just live with it!
Now you can get back into your cupboard....
Dr. Barry Worthington
>
>
> >"Every now and then when your life gets complicated and the weasels start
> >closing in, the only cure is to load up on heinous chemicals and then drive
> >like a bastard from Hollywood to Las Vegas ... with the music at top volume
> >and at least a pint of ether." - Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing in
> >Las Vegas- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
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Dr. Barry Worthington
> "Dr.BarryWorthington" <s...@abertay.ac.uk> wrote in messagenews:1181149715.9...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 6 Jun, 15:28, "David Moffitt" <moffi...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
> >> "3497 Dead" <zep...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>
> >>news:q0z9i.16283$C96....@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net...
>
> >> > David Moffitt wrote:
> >> >> "3497 Dead" <zepp22113...@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
> >> >>news:k3cc63pcl7ht0n2di...@4ax.com...
> >> >>>http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/060507H.shtml
>
> >> >>> Sicko? The Truth About the US Health Care System
> >> >>> By Andrew Gumbel
> >> >>> The Independent UK
>
> >> >> %%%% If you don't like it alien you can always go back home.
>
> >> > Davy, being an American shouldn't be a source of shame.
>
> >> > You just aren't doing it right, is all.
>
> >> %%%% I'm an American citizen. ":o)
>
> >> We have another NEW grouping.... "Cowardly sniveling leftard girly-boyz
> >> against Bush" ---- Amanda (girl-boy) Williams revealing his "orientation"
> >> 11/30/2006 in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
>
> > How long have you had this problem?
>
> > Dr.BarryWorthington
>
> %%%% I do not consider being an American citizen a problem. People are dying
> to get to this country even British "subjects".
I was alluding to your odd sexual insinuations........
Dr. Barry Worthington
>
> "Every now and then when your life gets complicated and the weasels start
> closing in, the only cure is to load up on heinous chemicals and then drive
> like a bastard from Hollywood to Las Vegas ... with the music at top volume
> and at least a pint of ether." - Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing in
> Las Vegas
>
>
>
Steve
Actually, it's Dumbshit Worthington.... I don't consider anyone that
"studies" the sex "industry" worthy to be called a doctor,
Worthington. Quite the contrary, I consider you to be a pervert.
>>hate the USA so
>
>I don't hate the USA...I don't even hate people with the limited brain
>function that you seem to possess.
Sure you do.... But that's OK, I wouldn't have it any other way,
Worthngton.
> You see, people like you tend to
>make people like me feel inexpressibly superior and smug....
<LOL> People who "study worthless things like the sex "industry" are
worthless, Worthington.
>> much is because he knows that we're the big guy on the block..
>
>A declining world power whose currency is going down the pan......sure
>you are....
Actually, the US could still buy out you guys....
>>pure
>> jealousy...
>
>So people like you say....ad nauseum....
>
>So what is there to be jealous of?
>
>Your economic power? You are living on credit, and running
>unsustainable deficits.
I suppose our debt looks pretty bad to someone like you living in a
second rate economy... Just like the $300,000 mortgage that my
neighbors have looks pretty bad to the loser leftists in the USA who
live in a trailer park
>Your manufacturing is disappearing. Large
>numbers of your jobs are disappearing abroad.
We can still buy and sell your economy...
>Your political system? After George Bush, everyone is laughing at you.
...Says a guy that pay homage and an income to a bunch of worthless,
homely, unbearable bores with big ears...
>Your last two Presidential elections were ac joke.
It *was* pretty funny how the leftists whined about getting whipped so
badly... They're still whining... and it's still funny.
>Your politicised justice system with its high profile miscarriages of
>justice and Guantanamo? Don't be silly!
Incarcerating people who want to kill us is no miscarriage of
anything..
>Your country's reputation has never been lower. Just live with it!
<LOL> I live with it just fine... You must think the jealous
opinions of the world's lefties is bothersome to the big guys..
David Moffitt
%%%% Hummmm----- I wonder what Homeland Security thinks about the fat alien
also.
Take your dying with some seriousness, however. Laughing on the way to your
execution is not generally understood by less advanced life forms, and
they'll call you crazy. -- "Messiah's Handbook: Reminders for the Advanced
Soul"
>
3497 Dead
<cnelso...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"David Moffitt" <moff...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
>news:Jly9i.14038$296....@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>
>> "3497 Dead" <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
>> news:k3cc63pcl7ht0n2di...@4ax.com...
>> >
>> > http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/060507H.shtml
>> >
>> > Sicko? The Truth About the US Health Care System
>> > By Andrew Gumbel
>> > The Independent UK
>>
>> %%%% If you don't like it alien you can always go back home.
>
>I have a better idea. Fix the system.
David is one of those types of Americans who would rather sit in a
puddle of his own urine and howl bitterly when people point out to him
that he's sitting in piss.
3497 Dead
<moff...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
Hey, Muppet, I have some FOIA forms here. You want I should send them
to you?
>
>Take your dying with some seriousness, however. Laughing on the way to your
>execution is not generally understood by less advanced life forms, and
>they'll call you crazy. -- "Messiah's Handbook: Reminders for the Advanced
>Soul"
And yet, here you are, laughing as you and your country plunge to your
deaths.
Dr. Barry Worthington
> >merkin after all.....
>
> Actually, it's DumbshitWorthington.... I don't consider anyone that
> "studies" the sex "industry" worthy to be called a doctor,Worthington. Quite the contrary, I consider you to be a pervert.
Ah....you see, we in the groves of academie have progressed beyond the
phase of sniggering behind bicycle sheds (or whatever the American
equivalent is).....come to think of it, most grownup people
have.....except you. Sex, as a phenomenon of nature, is studied in a
variety of academic disciplines. Now I study one aspect of sex tourism
as part of my other tourism research topics (which include the role of
tourism in post-communist transition in Europe, issues relating to
heritage tourism, 'serious leisure', and transport and tourism). There
are several academics who study the purely commercial side of sex
tourism. My interest is the swinging sub-culture, as an extension of
the 'serious leisure' concept, and its creation of 'embodied space'.
This, of course, has a practical side, in the sense that swingers
contribute a not insignificant amount to local tourist economies.
I realise that this will probably go over your pointy little head, but
still....
> >>hate the USA so
>
> >I don't hate the USA...I don't even hate people with the limited brain
> >function that you seem to possess.
>
> Sure you do.... But that's OK, I wouldn't have it any other way,
> Worthngton.
Suit yourself.....
>
> > You see, people like you tend to
> >make people like me feel inexpressibly superior and smug....
>
> <LOL> People who "study worthless things like the sex "industry" are
> worthless,Worthington.
You must tell us how much the irony bypass cost.....
>
> >> much is because he knows that we're the big guy on the block..
>
> >A declining world power whose currency is going down the pan......sure
> >you are....
>
> Actually, the US could still buy out you guys....
What with? Chinese IOU's?
>
> >>pure
> >> jealousy...
>
> >So people like you say....ad nauseum....
>
> >So what is there to be jealous of?
>
> >Your economic power? You are living on credit, and running
> >unsustainable deficits.
>
> I suppose our debt looks pretty bad to someone like you living in a
> second rate economy... Just like the $300,000 mortgage that my
> neighbors have looks pretty bad to the loser leftists in the USA who
> live in a trailer park
People who have a grocer's mentality in politics do come to a sticky
end....or their country does....
>
> >Your manufacturing is disappearing. Large
> >numbers of your jobs are disappearing abroad.
>
> We can still buy and sell your economy...
What with?
>
> >Your political system? After George Bush, everyone is laughing at you.
>
> ...Says a guy that pay homage and an income to a bunch of worthless,
> homely, unbearable bores with big ears...
You mean our Royal Family? Er.....they don't have political power.
Your joke unfortunately has....
>
> >Your last two Presidential elections were ac joke.
>
> It *was* pretty funny how the leftists whined about getting whipped so
> badly... They're still whining... and it's still funny.
Well, the rest of the world decided that you had become a banana
republic. If you're happy with that.....
>
> >Your politicised justice system with its high profile miscarriages of
> >justice and Guantanamo? Don't be silly!
>
> Incarcerating people who want to kill us is no miscarriage of
> anything..
Yes, I did think that you had a very simplistic idea about
justice.....
>
> >Your country's reputation has never been lower. Just live with it!
>
> <LOL> I live with it just fine... You must think the jealous
> opinions of the world's lefties is bothersome to the big guys..
I have no idea what this means. But if it makes you happy to think
that....who am I to disturb your fantasies?
Just keep them to yourself in future.....that's a good boy...
Dr. Barry Worthington
3497 Dead
You have to realize that you're dealing with an out-of-control
narcissist with the emotional capacities of a ten year old. Congruent
to that, he thinks his values are the natural laws of the universe;
and the values just aren't that good.
Kurt Nicklas
wrote:
> On 6 Jun, 12:28, Kurt Nicklas <nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 6, 7:13 am, "Dr.BarryWorthington" <s...@abertay.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> > > On 6 Jun, 11:12, Kurt Nicklas <nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jun 6, 5:56 am, "Dr.BarryWorthington" <s...@abertay.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> > > > > On 6 Jun, 05:44, "edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Jun 5, 11:57 pm, 3497 Dead <zepp22113...@finestplanet.com> quoted
> > > > > > some article:
>
> > > > > > > Cynthia Kline knew exactly what was happening to her when she
> > > > > > > suffered a heart attack at her home in Cambridge, Massachusetts. She
> > > > > > > took the time to call an ambulance, popped some nitroglycerin tablets
> > > > > > > she had been prescribed in anticipation of just such an emergency, and
> > > > > > > waited for help to arrive.
>
> > > > > > > On paper, everything should have gone fine. Unlike tens of
> > > > > > > millions of Americans, she had health insurance coverage. The
> > > > > > > ambulance team arrived promptly. The hospital where she had been
> > > > > > > receiving treatment for her cardiac problems, a private teaching
> > > > > > > facility affiliated with the Harvard Medical School, was just a few
> > > > > > > minutes away.
>
> > > > > > > The problem was, the casualty department at the hospital, Mount
> > > > > > > Auburn, was full to overflowing. And it turned her away. The ambulance
> > > > > > > took her to another nearby hospital but the treatment she needed, an
> > > > > > > emergency catheterisation, was not available there. A flurry of phone
> > > > > > > calls to other medical facilities in the Boston area came up empty.
> > > > > > > With a few hours, Cynthia Kline was dead.
>
> > > > > > London "mainstream" dailies - and you'll know all about it. Despite
> > > > > > the huge taxes to support socialized medicine there, Brit hospitals in
> > > > > > urban areas are so grossly overcrowded that a scandal erupted there in
> > > > > > the past five years over many doing "involuntary euthanasia" on old
> > > > > > patients - just to clear bed space!
>
> > > > > You are, of course, talking rubbish. But then, I only have extensive
> > > > > experience of the NHS and happen to live here.
>
> > > > Start here, Harry:
>
> > > >http://www.angelfire.com/pa/sergeman/issues/healthcare/socialized.htm...text -
>
> > > But you are a nutter! Bugger off, and take your website with you......
>
> > What a silly little man you are.
>
> > > I can't stand people who won't put up a decent argument
> > > themselves.....
>
> > Providing cites is part of an argument, Harry. Get real.
>
> You didn't provide a cite. If you don't realise that, there's nothing
> more to be said.
Okay, Harry, you want some cites proving that "socialized medicine"
is legitimate, frequently used term here? Here are a few:
"Universal health care is typically the goal of socialized medicine
but the two terms are often used interchangeably by politicians. The
difference is that socialized medicine is an implementation while
universal health care is an effect."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialized_medicine
http://www.theadvocates.org/freeman/8903lemi.html
http://www.slate.com/id/2114554/
http://jmchar.people.wm.edu/Kin493/socmed.html
Here's one from the American Assoc. of Physicians and Surgeons:
http://www.aapsonline.org/sma.php
I could go on, Harry, but you get the point.
Don't you?.........
3497 Dead
Knickers just proved the Doctor's point: that the term is the province
of right wing loons.
Kurt Nicklas
wrote:
> On 7 Jun, 12:20, Steve <stevencan...@lefties.suk.net> wrote:
> > Actually, it's DumbshitWorthington.... I don't consider anyone that
> > "studies" the sex "industry" worthy to be called a doctor,Worthington. Quite the contrary, I consider you to be a pervert.
>
> Ah....you see, we in the groves of academie have progressed beyond the
> phase of sniggering behind bicycle sheds (or whatever the American
> equivalent is)
Yes, you get paid for "researching" what other people only snigger
about behind
the barn.
It's sort of the academic equivalent of our defense department paying
$600 for
a toilet seat.
Steve
<zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:06:35 +0800, "Peacenik"
><cnelso...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>"David Moffitt" <moff...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
>>news:Jly9i.14038$296....@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>
>>> "3497 Dead" <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
>>> news:k3cc63pcl7ht0n2di...@4ax.com...
>>> >
>>> > http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/060507H.shtml
>>> >
>>> > Sicko? The Truth About the US Health Care System
>>> > By Andrew Gumbel
>>> > The Independent UK
>>>
>>> %%%% If you don't like it alien you can always go back home.
>>
>>I have a better idea. Fix the system.
>
>David is one of those types of Americans who would rather sit in a
>puddle of his own urine and howl bitterly when people point out to him
>that he's sitting in piss.
This is from Zepp Jamieson who whines and cries about how terrible the
USA is but still refuses to leave and go home
Steve
<zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
You notice that Zepp still hasn't denied that he is permanently barred
from becoming a U.S. citizen. ...and he hasn't explained why he
doesn't ever risk leaving the US. to even visit Canada, which he seems
to think is so wonderful....
Steve
By perverts like you, Worthington.
> Now I study one aspect of sex tourism
>as part of my other tourism research topics (which include the role of
>tourism in post-communist transition in Europe, issues relating to
>heritage tourism, 'serious leisure', and transport and tourism). There
>are several academics who study the purely commercial side of sex
>tourism. My interest is the swinging sub-culture, as an extension of
>the 'serious leisure' concept, and its creation of 'embodied space'.
>This, of course, has a practical side, in the sense that swingers
>contribute a not insignificant amount to local tourist economies.
What a hoot.. <LOL> Worthington is into Swinging....
>I realise that this will probably go over your pointy little head, but
>still....
>
>> >>hate the USA so
>>
>> >I don't hate the USA...I don't even hate people with the limited brain
>> >function that you seem to possess.
>>
>> Sure you do.... But that's OK, I wouldn't have it any other way,
>> Worthngton.
>
>Suit yourself.....
>
>>
>> > You see, people like you tend to
>> >make people like me feel inexpressibly superior and smug....
>>
>> <LOL> People who "study worthless things like the sex "industry" are
>> worthless,Worthington.
>
>You must tell us how much the irony bypass cost.....
....says the slimey swinger pervert...
>> >> much is because he knows that we're the big guy on the block..
>>
>> >A declining world power whose currency is going down the pan......sure
>> >you are....
>>
>> Actually, the US could still buy out you guys....
>
>What with? Chinese IOU's?
Our dept as a % of GNP is not a serious thing... now as a % of the
British GNP, <LOL> It could be a problem...
>> >>pure
>> >> jealousy...
>>
>> >So people like you say....ad nauseum....
>>
>> >So what is there to be jealous of?
>>
>> >Your economic power? You are living on credit, and running
>> >unsustainable deficits.
>>
>> I suppose our debt looks pretty bad to someone like you living in a
>> second rate economy... Just like the $300,000 mortgage that my
>> neighbors have looks pretty bad to the loser leftists in the USA who
>> live in a trailer park
>
>People who have a grocer's mentality in politics do come to a sticky
>end....or their country does....
Says the guy from a country that used to rule the seas....
>> >Your manufacturing is disappearing. Large
>> >numbers of your jobs are disappearing abroad.
>>
>> We can still buy and sell your economy...
>
>What with?
>
With the output of our GNP..
>> >Your political system? After George Bush, everyone is laughing at you.
>>
>> ...Says a guy that pay homage and an income to a bunch of worthless,
>> homely, unbearable bores with big ears...
>
>You mean our Royal Family? Er.....they don't have political power.
>Your joke unfortunately has....
Did I say they had political power? No, actually, you guys apparently
just pay them because they're so funny looking...
>> >Your last two Presidential elections were ac joke.
>>
>> It *was* pretty funny how the leftists whined about getting whipped so
>> badly... They're still whining... and it's still funny.
>
>Well, the rest of the world decided that you had become a banana
>republic. If you're happy with that.....
<LOL> The swinging pervert thinks he can speak for the rest of the
world...
>> >Your politicised justice system with its high profile miscarriages of
>> >justice and Guantanamo? Don't be silly!
>>
>> Incarcerating people who want to kill us is no miscarriage of
>> anything..
>
>Yes, I did think that you had a very simplistic idea about
>justice.....
Justice comes after you stop people from trying to kill you...
>> >Your country's reputation has never been lower. Just live with it!
>>
>> <LOL> I live with it just fine... You must think the jealous
>> opinions of the world's lefties is bothersome to the big guys..
>
>I have no idea what this means. But if it makes you happy to think
>that....who am I to disturb your fantasies?
>
>Just keep them to yourself in future.....that's a good boy...
Naw, I rather like laughing at perverts like you, Worthington.
Steve
yet Zepp is the one that can't forget the whipping Algore got in 2000.
>Congruent
>to that, he thinks his values are the natural laws of the universe;
>and the values just aren't that good.
My values sure do work for me.. I'm a happy guy... while Zepp
pisses and moans and whines and cries....
Steve
<nick...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>On Jun 7, 10:20 am, "Dr. Barry Worthington" <s...@abertay.ac.uk>
>wrote:
>> On 7 Jun, 12:20, Steve <stevencan...@lefties.suk.net> wrote:
>
>> > Actually, it's DumbshitWorthington.... I don't consider anyone that
>> > "studies" the sex "industry" worthy to be called a doctor,Worthington. Quite the contrary, I consider you to be a pervert.
>>
>> Ah....you see, we in the groves of academie have progressed beyond the
>> phase of sniggering behind bicycle sheds (or whatever the American
>> equivalent is)
>
>Yes, you get paid for "researching" what other people only snigger
>about behind
>the barn.
Worthington does research for people who travel around looking for
people to have sex with their partner...
Kurt Nicklas
> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:37:33 -0000, Kurt Nicklas
>
> >On Jun 7, 10:20 am, "Dr. Barry Worthington" <s...@abertay.ac.uk>
> >wrote:
> >> On 7 Jun, 12:20, Steve <stevencan...@lefties.suk.net> wrote:
>
> >> > Actually, it's DumbshitWorthington.... I don't consider anyone that
> >> > "studies" the sex "industry" worthy to be called a doctor,Worthington. Quite the contrary, I consider you to be a pervert.
>
> >> Ah....you see, we in the groves of academie have progressed beyond the
> >> phase of sniggering behind bicycle sheds (or whatever the American
> >> equivalent is)
>
> >Yes, you get paid for "researching" what other people only snigger
> >about behind
> >the barn.
>
> Worthington does research for people who travel around looking for
> people to have sex with their partner...
LOL
Sounds like he gets a healthy stipend for providing his "research" to
the UK tourist boards too.
What a hoot!
> >It's sort of the academic equivalent of our defense department paying
> >$600 for
> >a toilet seat.- Hide quoted text -
Kurt Nicklas
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>"David Moffitt" <moffi...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
> >>news:Jly9i.14038$296....@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
> >>> >http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/060507H.shtml
>
> >>> > Sicko? The Truth About the US Health Care System
> >>> > By Andrew Gumbel
> >>> > The Independent UK
>
> >>> %%%% If you don't like it alien you can always go back home.
>
> >>I have a better idea. Fix the system.
>
> >David is one of those types of Americans who would rather sit in a
> >puddle of his own urine and howl bitterly when people point out to him
> >that he's sitting in piss.
>
> This is from Zepp Jamieson who whines and cries about how terrible the
> USA is but still refuses to leave and go home
I do like how brownnosingly obsequious he gets around anyone claiming
academic
credentials like SexDoctor Barry, for example.
I imagine "Zepp" will soon be requesting Worthington's reading list.
{snickers}
David Moffitt
> On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:06:35 +0800, "Peacenik"
> <cnelso...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>"David Moffitt" <moff...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
>>news:Jly9i.14038$296....@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>
>>> "3497 Dead" <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
>>> news:k3cc63pcl7ht0n2di...@4ax.com...
>>> >
>>> > http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/060507H.shtml
>>> >
>>> > Sicko? The Truth About the US Health Care System
>>> > By Andrew Gumbel
>>> > The Independent UK
>>>
>>> %%%% If you don't like it alien you can always go back home.
>>
>>I have a better idea. Fix the system.
>
> David is one of those types of Americans who would rather sit in a
> puddle of his own urine and howl bitterly when people point out to him
> that he's sitting in piss.
%%%% LMAO! You have no idea how the healthcare system works.
Democrats to vote against a nonbinding resolution to hold firm on Iraq and
the war on terrorism. They don't give a shit how many folks get killed, as
long as it isn't themselves or any of their own. ---- Harry Hope in
alt.fan.rush-Limbaugh June 15, 2006
David Moffitt
%%%% I have my own.
>>
>>Take your dying with some seriousness, however. Laughing on the way to
>>your
>>execution is not generally understood by less advanced life forms, and
>>they'll call you crazy. -- "Messiah's Handbook: Reminders for the Advanced
>>Soul"
>
> And yet, here you are, laughing as you and your country plunge to your
> deaths.
%%%% We are not plunging zippy. ":o)
We have another NEW grouping.... "Cowardly sniveling leftard girly-boyz
against Bush" ---- Amanda (girl-boy) Williams revealing his “orientation”
11/30/2006 in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>
David Moffitt
%%%% He ran away from Canada because he is in hiding. If he leaves he may
not get back in. I suspect his visa has expired or he is wanted for some
type of criminal activity in Canada. Maybe both.
Steve
Zepp and the Werewolf at a swinger party???? Isn't enough liquor
to make that a success.... and besides, old Zepp can't do any real
traveling anyway.... remember, it takes two airline tickets for him
to squeeze his fat ass into....
David Moffitt
> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:37:33 -0000, Kurt Nicklas
> <nick...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>On Jun 7, 10:20 am, "Dr. Barry Worthington" <s...@abertay.ac.uk>
>>wrote:
>>> On 7 Jun, 12:20, Steve <stevencan...@lefties.suk.net> wrote:
>>
>>> > Actually, it's DumbshitWorthington.... I don't consider anyone that
>>> > "studies" the sex "industry" worthy to be called a doctor,Worthington.
>>> > Quite the contrary, I consider you to be a pervert.
>>>
>>> Ah....you see, we in the groves of academie have progressed beyond the
>>> phase of sniggering behind bicycle sheds (or whatever the American
>>> equivalent is)
>>
>>Yes, you get paid for "researching" what other people only snigger
>>about behind
>>the barn.
>
> Worthington does research for people who travel around looking for
> people to have sex with their partner...
%%%% He is one of those pervert "tourist" that go to turd world countries to
have sex with kids.
Democrats to vote against a nonbinding resolution to hold firm on Iraq and
the war on terrorism. They don't give a shit how many folks get killed, as
long as it isn't themselves or any of their own. ---- Harry Hope in
alt.fan.rush-Limbaugh June 15, 2006
>
Gandalf Grey
>
> "3497 Dead" <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
> news:m30g63dbr11813s2o...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:06:35 +0800, "Peacenik"
>> <cnelso...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"David Moffitt" <moff...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
>>>news:Jly9i.14038$296....@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>>
>>>> "3497 Dead" <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:k3cc63pcl7ht0n2di...@4ax.com...
>>>> >
>>>> > http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/060507H.shtml
>>>> >
>>>> > Sicko? The Truth About the US Health Care System
>>>> > By Andrew Gumbel
>>>> > The Independent UK
>>>>
>>>> %%%% If you don't like it alien you can always go back home.
>>>
>>>I have a better idea. Fix the system.
>>
>> David is one of those types of Americans who would rather sit in a
>> puddle of his own urine and howl bitterly when people point out to him
>> that he's sitting in piss.
>
> %%%% LMAO! You have no idea how the healthcare system works.
>> My dick is bigger than yours. So are my tits.---- David Moffitt,
>> December 19, 2006, 6:00am
liber...@yahoo.com
> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 02:15:00 GMT, "David Moffitt"
> <moff...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
>>
>><liber...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:Xns9947CF76669F2l...@216.168.3.44...
>>> "David Moffitt" <moff...@peoplepc.com> wrote in
>>> news:8YG9i.17493$Ut6....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Chimpity Chimpity Bush" <BushTwin...@FoxNews.net>
>>>> wrote in message
>>>> news:UiA9i.16304$C96....@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> "David Moffitt" <moff...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:Lwz9i.17300$Ut6....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "3497 Dead" <zep...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:q0z9i.16283$C96....@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net...
>>>>>>> David Moffitt wrote:
>>>>>>>> "3497 Dead" <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>> news:k3cc63pcl7ht0n2di...@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>> http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/060507H.shtml
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sicko? The Truth About the US Health Care System
>>>>>>>>> By Andrew Gumbel
>>>>>>>>> The Independent UK
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> %%%% If you don't like it alien you can always go back
>>>>>>>> home.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Davy, being an American shouldn't be a source of shame.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You just aren't doing it right, is all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> %%%% I'm an American citizen. ":o)
>>>>>
>>>>> So was Benedict Arnold.
>>>>
>>>> %%%% Yes and like you he like Britain better than the US.
>>>
>>> Ummm, yeah, clearly you're not the "Benedict Arnold"
>>> type...more the Tim McVeigh kind: sneak a bomb in, kill
>>> children. muffi, we know ya too well.
>>
>>%%%%% BZZZZZTT---- Wrong as always.
>
> Nah, Muppet's more the type who would be surreptitiously
> sending supplies to the redcoats for a fat profit while
> turning in his neighbors as collaborators for the reward.
By golly, yer right....I clean fergot, it's the muffette, not
some reichwing McVeigh type who had the gonads to volunteer for
combat duty.
>>
>>We have another NEW grouping.... "Cowardly sniveling leftard
>>girly-boyz against Bush" ---- Amanda (girl-boy) Williams
>>revealing his “orientation” 11/30/2006 in
>>alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his
>>>> hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting
>>>> throats.---- H. L. Mencken
liber...@yahoo.com
>
> "3497 Dead" <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
> news:m30g63dbr11813s2o...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:06:35 +0800, "Peacenik"
>> <cnelso...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"David Moffitt" <moff...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
>>>news:Jly9i.14038$296....@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net..
>>>.
>>>>
>>>> "3497 Dead" <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote in
>>>> message news:k3cc63pcl7ht0n2di...@4ax.com...
>>>> >
>>>> > http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/060507H.shtml
>>>> >
>>>> > Sicko? The Truth About the US Health Care System
>>>> > By Andrew Gumbel
>>>> > The Independent UK
>>>>
>>>> %%%% If you don't like it alien you can always go back
>>>> home.
>>>
>>>I have a better idea. Fix the system.
>>
>> David is one of those types of Americans who would rather
>> sit in a puddle of his own urine and howl bitterly when
>> people point out to him that he's sitting in piss.
>
> %%%% LMAO! You have no idea how the healthcare system works.
Do you use the VA care?
liber...@yahoo.com
>
> "Steve" <steven...@lefties.suk.net> wrote in message
> news:ctmg63tflkhg4i91g...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:37:33 -0000, Kurt Nicklas
>> <nick...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Jun 7, 10:20 am, "Dr. Barry Worthington"
>>><s...@abertay.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 7 Jun, 12:20, Steve <stevencan...@lefties.suk.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> > Actually, it's DumbshitWorthington.... I don't consider
>>>> > anyone that "studies" the sex "industry" worthy to be
>>>> > called a doctor,Worthington. Quite the contrary, I
>>>> > consider you to be a pervert.
>>>>
>>>> Ah....you see, we in the groves of academie have
>>>> progressed beyond the phase of sniggering behind bicycle
>>>> sheds (or whatever the American equivalent is)
>>>
>>>Yes, you get paid for "researching" what other people only
>>>snigger about behind
>>>the barn.
>>
>> Worthington does research for people who travel around
>> looking for people to have sex with their partner...
>
> %%%% He is one of those pervert "tourist" that go to turd
> world countries to have sex with kids.
Like Rush?
Steve
<moff...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
Zepp is projecting... it's he that's plunging......
Steve
<moff...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
>"Steve" <steven...@lefties.suk.net> wrote in message
>news:ctmg63tflkhg4i91g...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:37:33 -0000, Kurt Nicklas
>> <nick...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Jun 7, 10:20 am, "Dr. Barry Worthington" <s...@abertay.ac.uk>
>>>wrote:
>>>> On 7 Jun, 12:20, Steve <stevencan...@lefties.suk.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> > Actually, it's DumbshitWorthington.... I don't consider anyone that
>>>> > "studies" the sex "industry" worthy to be called a doctor,Worthington.
>>>> > Quite the contrary, I consider you to be a pervert.
>>>>
>>>> Ah....you see, we in the groves of academie have progressed beyond the
>>>> phase of sniggering behind bicycle sheds (or whatever the American
>>>> equivalent is)
>>>
>>>Yes, you get paid for "researching" what other people only snigger
>>>about behind
>>>the barn.
>>
>> Worthington does research for people who travel around looking for
>> people to have sex with their partner...
>
>%%%% He is one of those pervert "tourist" that go to turd world countries to
>have sex with kids.
...or maybe with farm animals....
Steve
Leftists just cannot resist expressing their fantasies as if they were
real... It's a childish leftist trait.. I see it in almost all of
them.
3499 Dead
You know, for an utter moron you've got quite an imagination. Now if
only you could find a use for the rest of the dog meat you call a brain...
3499 Dead
> "3497 Dead" <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
> news:m30g63dbr11813s2o...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:06:35 +0800, "Peacenik"
>> <cnelso...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "David Moffitt" <moff...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Jly9i.14038$296....@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>> "3497 Dead" <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:k3cc63pcl7ht0n2di...@4ax.com...
>>>>> http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/060507H.shtml
>>>>>
>>>>> Sicko? The Truth About the US Health Care System
>>>>> By Andrew Gumbel
>>>>> The Independent UK
>>>> %%%% If you don't like it alien you can always go back home.
>>> I have a better idea. Fix the system.
>> David is one of those types of Americans who would rather sit in a
>> puddle of his own urine and howl bitterly when people point out to him
>> that he's sitting in piss.
>
> %%%% LMAO! You have no idea how the healthcare system works.
Apparently nobody does.
3499 Dead
I hear Russia's a good place for tourist sex.
David Moffitt
<liber...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9948C786B9934l...@216.168.3.44...
> "David Moffitt" <moff...@peoplepc.com> wrote in
> news:eV%9i.1926$tb6....@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
>>
>> "3497 Dead" <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
>> news:m30g63dbr11813s2o...@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:06:35 +0800, "Peacenik"
>>> <cnelso...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"David Moffitt" <moff...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:Jly9i.14038$296....@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net..
>>>>.
>>>>>
>>>>> "3497 Dead" <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote in
>>>>> message news:k3cc63pcl7ht0n2di...@4ax.com...
>>>>> >
>>>>> > http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/060507H.shtml
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Sicko? The Truth About the US Health Care System
>>>>> > By Andrew Gumbel
>>>>> > The Independent UK
>>>>>
>>>>> %%%% If you don't like it alien you can always go back
>>>>> home.
>>>>
>>>>I have a better idea. Fix the system.
>>>
>>> David is one of those types of Americans who would rather
>>> sit in a puddle of his own urine and howl bitterly when
>>> people point out to him that he's sitting in piss.
>>
>> %%%% LMAO! You have no idea how the healthcare system works.
>
> Do you use the VA care?
%%%% No. I found out how poor government controlled health care was one
month after discharge. Haven't been back since.
We have another NEW grouping.... "Cowardly sniveling leftard girly-boyz
against Bush" ---- Amanda (girl-boy) Williams revealing his “orientation”
11/30/2006 in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
>
>
>>
David Moffitt
"3499 Dead" <zep...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> David Moffitt wrote:
>> "3497 Dead" <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
>> news:m30g63dbr11813s2o...@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:06:35 +0800, "Peacenik"
>>> <cnelso...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "David Moffitt" <moff...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:Jly9i.14038$296....@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>>> "3497 Dead" <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:k3cc63pcl7ht0n2di...@4ax.com...
>>>>>> http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/060507H.shtml
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sicko? The Truth About the US Health Care System
>>>>>> By Andrew Gumbel
>>>>>> The Independent UK
>>>>> %%%% If you don't like it alien you can always go back home.
>>>> I have a better idea. Fix the system.
>>> David is one of those types of Americans who would rather sit in a
>>> puddle of his own urine and howl bitterly when people point out to him
>>> that he's sitting in piss.
>>
>> %%%% LMAO! You have no idea how the healthcare system works.
>
> Apparently nobody does.
%%%% Just the leftards. (aka nobody)
Steve
wrote:
Notice that Zepp doesn't deny it.....
David Moffitt
<liber...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9948C88443056l...@216.168.3.44...
%%%% Yep. Just like Rush.
David Moffitt
%%%% Maybe with kid's farm animals. ":o)
We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.” ----
Hillary Clinton
David Moffitt
"3499 Dead" <zep...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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%%%% ROTFLMAO! The alien is calling a born citizen a moron! You are the one
that is in hiding from Canada and refused citizenship zippy. ":o)
“If you ask me to name the proudest distinction of Americans, I would
choose... the fact that they were the people who created the phrase "to make
money." No other language or nation had ever used these words before...
Americans were the first to understand that wealth has to be created.”
Ayn Rand
David Moffitt
%%%% Hummmmm---- That might be why you ran from Canada zippy. I bet you have
the father of some adolescent child looking for you.
"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr
David Moffitt
%%%% No he doesn't. He has made too many slip up in the past that can come
back and haunt him.
“Me? I already understand how little I actually know..” --- Kunt
Harrington Sunday, December 03, 2006 6:57 PM
3497 Dead
You know, Muppet, I sometimes get the feeling, when I see your command
of the language, that you learned all the English you know by reading
the contents of fortune cookies.
3497 Dead
<moff...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
Hmm. Being a citizen of the US makes you smarter in WHAT way,
exactly? And could you demonstrate some of this intelligence for us?
For example, explain how you can use FOIA to force the FBI to disclose
an ongoing investigation. That seems like a good place to start.
You know, when William Shatner moved from Canada to the US, the
average IQ of BOTH countries went up.
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>“If you ask me to name the proudest distinction of Americans, I would
>choose... the fact that they were the people who created the phrase "to make
>money." No other language or nation had ever used these words before...
>Americans were the first to understand that wealth has to be created.”
>Ayn Rand
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>>> We have another NEW grouping.... "Cowardly sniveling leftard girly-boyz
>>> against Bush" ---- Amanda (girl-boy) Williams revealing his “orientation”
>>> 11/30/2006 in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
>>>
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And I mistook California for Russia. You bet that happens a lot.
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>"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
>would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
>methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
>power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
>problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
>they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
>wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
>want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
>Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
>rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
>complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
>that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
>correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
>competing factions of Islamic
>fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
>forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
>and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr
>
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<moff...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
Oh, I've denied it before. But Stevie is lonely, and desperately
needs to matter to the people here.
I'm glad he has you as his Pancho Sanza.
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>“Me? I already understand how little I actually know..” --- Kunt
>Harrington Sunday, December 03, 2006 6:57 PM
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Peacenik
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> %%%% LMAO! You have no idea how the healthcare system works.
It works poorly.
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> <liber...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9948C786B9934l...@216.168.3.44...
>> "David Moffitt" <moff...@peoplepc.com> wrote in
>> news:eV%9i.1926$tb6....@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net:
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>>> "3497 Dead" <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote in
>>> message news:m30g63dbr11813s2o...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:06:35 +0800, "Peacenik"
>>>> <cnelso...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"David Moffitt" <moff...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:Jly9i.14038$296....@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net
>>>>>.. .
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>>>>>> "3497 Dead" <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote in
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>>>>>> news:k3cc63pcl7ht0n2di...@4ax.com...
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/060507H.shtml
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Sicko? The Truth About the US Health Care System
>>>>>> > By Andrew Gumbel
>>>>>> > The Independent UK
>>>>>>
>>>>>> %%%% If you don't like it alien you can always go back
>>>>>> home.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have a better idea. Fix the system.
>>>>
>>>> David is one of those types of Americans who would rather
>>>> sit in a puddle of his own urine and howl bitterly when
>>>> people point out to him that he's sitting in piss.
>>>
>>> %%%% LMAO! You have no idea how the healthcare system
>>> works.
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>> Do you use the VA care?
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> %%%% No. I found out how poor government controlled health
> care was one month after discharge. Haven't been back since.
Ahhhh, they diagnosed you as malingerer you are, eh, muffette?
Funny that when the VA is fully funded (ie., democrats in control)
real veterans have nothing but good to say about the VA.
David Moffitt
"Peacenik" <cnelso...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "David Moffitt" <moff...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
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>> %%%% LMAO! You have no idea how the healthcare system works.
>
> It works poorly.
%%%% Especially when the government has their hands in it. Just look at the
VA hospitals for an example.
Heavens, no! It could get subpoenaed. I can't write anything. --- Hillary
Clinton
David Moffitt
%%%% Translation: You know nothing about healthcare just like your other
nobodies do zippy. All you know is that you want the government to care for
you from cradle to grave without any effort or input on your part. Ayn Rand
said it best.
They proclaim that every man is entitled to exist without labor and, the
laws of reality to the contrary notwithstanding, is entitled to receive his
"minimum sustenance" his food, his clothes, his shelter, with no effort on
his part, as his due and his birthright. To receive it, from whom?
Ayn Rand