#Another reason to like "Avatar" -- right wingers hate it
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'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire
Conservatives are blind to the 3-D blockbuster's charms.
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By Patrick Goldstein
It's no secret that "Avatar" has been stunningly successful on nearly
every
front. The James Cameron-directed sci-fi epic is already the
fourth-highest-grossing film of all time, having earned more than $1
billion
around the globe in less than three weeks of theatrical release. The film
also has garnered effusive praise from critics, who've been planting its
flag on a variety of critics Top 10 lists. The 3-D trip to Pandora is also
viewed as a veritable shoo-in for a best picture Oscar nomination when the
academy announces its nominees on Feb. 2.
But amid this avalanche of praise and popularity, guess who hates the
movie?
America's prickly cadre of political conservatives.
For years, pundits and bloggers on the right have ceaselessly attacked
liberal Hollywood for being out of touch with rank and file moviegoers,
complaining that executives and filmmakers continue to make films that
have
precious little resonance with Middle America. They have reacted with
scorn
to such high-profile liberal political advocacy films as "Syriana,"
"Milk,"
"W.," "Religulous," "Lions for Lambs," "Brokeback Mountain," "In the
Valley
of Elah," "Rendition" and "Good Night, and Good Luck," saying that the
movies' poor performances at the box office were a clear sign of how
thoroughly uninterested real people were in the pet causes of showbiz
progressives.
Of course, "Avatar" totally turns this theory on its head. As a host of
critics have noted, the film offers a blatantly pro-environmental message;
it portrays U.S. military contractors in a decidedly negative light; and
it
clearly evokes the can't-we-all-get along vibe of the 1960s
counterculture.
These are all messages guaranteed to alienate everyday moviegoers, so say
the right-wing pundits -- and yet the film has been wholeheartedly
embraced
by audiences everywhere, from Mississippi to Manhattan.
To say that the film has evoked a storm of ire on the right would be an
understatement. Big Hollywood's John Nolte, one of my favorite outspoken
right-wing film essayists, blasted the film, calling it "a sanctimonious
thud of a movie so infested with one-dimensional characters and PC cliches
that not a single plot turn, large or small, surprises. . . . Think of
'Avatar' as 'Death Wish' for leftists, a simplistic, revisionist revenge
fantasy where if you . . . hate the bad guys (America) you're able to
forgive the by-the-numbers predictability of it all."
John Podhoretz, the Weekly Standard's film critic, called the film
"blitheringly stupid; indeed, it's among the dumbest movies I've ever
seen."
He goes on to say: "You're going to hear a lot over the next couple of
weeks
about the movie's politics -- about how it's a Green epic about despoiling
the environment, and an attack on the war in Iraq. . . . The conclusion
does
ask the audience to root for the defeat of American soldiers at the hands
of
an insurgency. So it is a deep expression of anti-Americanism -- kind of.
The thing is, one would be giving Jim Cameron too much credit to take
'Avatar' -- with its . . . hatred of the military and American
institutions
and the notion that to be human is just way uncool -- at all seriously as
a
political document. It's more interesting as an example of how deeply
rooted
these standard issue counterculture cliches in Hollywood have become by
now."
Ross Douthat, writing in the New York Times, took Cameron to task on
another
favorite conservative front, as yet another Hollywood filmmaker who
refuses
to acknowledge the power of religion. Douthat calls "Avatar" the "Gospel
according to James. But not the Christian Gospel. Instead, 'Avatar' is
Cameron's long apologia for pantheism -- a faith that equates God with
Nature, and calls humanity into religious communion with the natural
world."
Douthat contends that societies close to nature, like the Na'vi in
"Avatar,"
aren't shining Edens at all -- "they're places where existence tends to be
nasty, brutish and short."
There are tons of other grumpy conservative broadsides against the film,
but
I'll spare you the details, except to say that Cameron's grand cinematic
fantasy, with its mixture of social comment, mysticism and transcendent,
fanboy-style video game animation, seems to have hit a very raw nerve with
political conservatives, who view everything -- foreign affairs, global
warming, the White House Christmas tree -- through the prism of partisan
sloganeering.
But why is it doing so well with everyday moviegoers if it's so full of
supposedly buzz-killing liberal messages?
"It has the politics of the left, but it also has extraordinary
spectacle,"
says Govindini Murty, co-founder of the pioneering conservative blog
Libertas and executive producer of the new conservative film
"Kalifornistan." "Jim Cameron didn't come out of nowhere. He came on the
heels of all the left-wing filmmakers who went before him, who knew that
someone with their point of view would have the resources to finally make
a
breakthrough political film. But even though 'Avatar' has an incredibly
disturbing anti-human, anti-military, anti-Western world view, it has
incredible spectacle and technology and great filmmaking to capture
people's
attention. The politics are going right over people's heads. Its audience
isn't reading the New York Times or the National Review."
I suspect that's a good explanation. But if I were trying to get to the
bottom of conservative complaints with "Avatar," I'd offer three more key
reasons why the film has set the right's hair on fire:
Glorifying soft-headed environmentalism: If you hadn't noticed, the
conservative movement has become the leading focal point for skepticism
about global warming. The Wall Street Journal's ardently right-wing
editorial pages have been chock-full of stories ridiculing everything
including government sponsorship of alternative energy, nutty Prius
enthusiasts and scientists who allegedly suppressed climate change data
that
called into question their claims about global warming (a flap the WSJ
dubbed "Climategate").
Ever since Al Gore took center stage with his documentary, "An
Inconvenient
Truth," conservatives have been falling over one another in their attempts
to mock liberal planet savers, taking special pleasure in slamming
Hollywood
environmentalists who fly private jets or live in huge houses. (As soon as
Climategate erupted, two Hollywood conservatives surfaced, asking the
academy to take back Gore's "Inconvenient Truth" Oscar, even though,
inconveniently, the Oscar had actually gone to the film's director, not
Gore.)
So Cameron's giddy embrace of a primitive people who live in harmony with
their land -- and his scathing portrayal of a soulless corporation willing
to do anything, including kill innocent natives, to steal and exploit
their
planet's valuable natural resources -- is the kind of anti-technology,
pro-environment dramaturgy that sets off alarms.
Godless Hollywood triumphs again: Conservatives have complained for years
that Hollywood ignores, laughs at or disrespects religion. And to be fair,
they are not so wrong. It's almost as rare to see a film with a
sympathetic
portrayal of an openly religious character as it is to see a film with a
leading role for an African American actress. I think it's a stretch to
call
Hollywood godless, but it would certainly be fair to call it an extremely
secular world.
Conservatives are always quick to point out that when someone actually
made
an openly religious film -- and of course we're talking about Mel Gibson's
"The Passion of the Christ" -- it made hundreds of millions of dollars. Of
course, they usually fail to mention that when Hollywood made 2005's "The
Nativity Story," a sweet, very respectful religious drama, it earned $37
million in the U.S., just about what it cost to make. Ross Douthat is
probably right. Moviegoers are far more comfortable with a fuzzy,
inspirational form of pantheism than they are with an openly biblical
message.
Hollywood's long history of anti-military sloganeering: There is no doubt
that "Avatar" portrays its military contractor characters as barbarous
mercenaries, willing -- even eager -- to wipe out innocent natives in
their
pursuit of Pandora's precious resources. It almost feels as if Cameron is
drawing parallels, not only to the Iraq war, but to Vietnam. But while
Hollywood often makes antiwar movies, "Avatar" is something different -- a
peaceful warrior film, celebrating the newly aroused consciousness of a
Marine turned defender of a higher faith.
What's fascinating is that the American people, who have almost always
shown
strong support for our foreign wars, would happily embrace a film that
portrays its military characters in such an unflattering light. My guess
is
that audiences have seen past the obvious because the film is set in a
faraway, interplanetary future, not in present-day America. When Russian
political dissidents wanted to criticize their oppressive regimes, they
would often write stories or make films that were set in the past,
inoculating themselves by using a 15th century czar as a stand-in for the
tyrant of the day. Cameron has done the same thing, but by moving forward
into the future, creating a safe distance for his veiled (and not-so-
thinly
veiled) social messages.
"Avatar" has, of course, far more on its mind than its politics. It's a
triumph of visual imagination and the world's first great 3-D movie. But
it
is fascinating to see how today's ideology-obsessed conservatives have
managed to walk away from such a crowd-pleasing triumph and see only the
film's political subtext, not the groundbreaking artistry that's staring
them right in the face.
Gandalf Grey
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> 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire
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> Conservatives are blind to the 3-D blockbuster's charms.
Not totally unexpected considering the low IQ of conservatives.
dnatree
They love their interpretations they did not get from Spirit more than
they love each other.
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>> http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-
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>> 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire
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>> Conservatives are blind to the 3-D blockbuster's charms.
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> Not totally unexpected considering the low IQ of conservatives.
>
Considering the even lower IQ of libtards, I'm amazed that libtards didn't
get lost on the way to the theater! Even after they traded their
cheese-checks for tickets, directions and a couple of 40s. I wonder how
many screwed-up the show times?
5321 Dead, 454 since 1/20/09
wrote:
Avatar's box office broke a billion the other day, and is the fourth
highest grossing movie in history.
Apparently quite a few liberals could find the threatre...
Gandalf Grey
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>>> http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-
>>> bigpicture5-2010jan05,0,5932
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>>> 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire
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>>> Conservatives are blind to the 3-D blockbuster's charms.
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>> Not totally unexpected considering the low IQ of conservatives.
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> Considering the even lower IQ of libtards,
Most PhDs are liberals, fucktard.
Kurt Nicklas
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> http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-
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> 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire
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> Conservatives are blind to the 3-D blockbuster's charms.
Just from watching the trailer and reading a couple of reviews it's
got a dozen worn-out plot devices, stereotypical characters and hits
on both technology and capitalism while using both high tech imaging
and the high-powered film industry to make money for the media moguls.
Yeah, sounds just like what "progressives" like Poundcake Jamieson
would go for.
Kurt Nicklas
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> > 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire
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> > Conservatives are blind to the 3-D blockbuster's charms.
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> Not totally unexpected considering the low IQ of conservatives.
People with high IQs don't need science fiction to give their life
meaning like you do, Dicky.
Gandalf Grey
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> >http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-
> > bigpicture5-2010jan05,0,5932
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> > 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire
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> > Conservatives are blind to the 3-D blockbuster's charms.
>
> Not totally unexpected considering the low IQ of conservatives.
^ People with high IQs don't need science fiction to give their life
meaning like you do,
People with high IQs like myself and unlike you actually understand the
difference between science and science fiction, Dickless.
Buerste
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Great movie! As an independent, I didn't think it was anti-conservative.
And, Liberals are wonderful, intelligent people. It's the libtards as well
as the rightards that deserve scorn.
Buerste
>>get lost on the way to the theater! Even after they traded their
>>cheese-checks for tickets, directions and a couple of 40s. I wonder how
>>many screwed-up the show times?
>
>
And how many of them can't tie their own shoes? A degree doesn't imply
wisdom, morals or the will to do the correct thing. It doesn't mean that
the recipient can actually think or act, it doesn't even mean the recipient
is intelligent, it means that the recipient completed a number of classes.
But, you're too stupid to know that....fucktard! (got lost, eh?)
Billary/2009
wrote:
Avatar in IMAX 3D was an amazing technological achievement.
Nonetheless it was nothing more than "Dances with Wolves" meets
"Starship Troopers". And both were better by far.
Billary/2009
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> >>>http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-
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> >>> 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire
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> >>> Conservatives are blind to the 3-D blockbuster's charms.
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> >> Not totally unexpected considering the low IQ of conservatives.
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> > Considering the even lower IQ of libtards,
>
> Most PhDs are liberals, fucktard.
Yet you haven't seen the movie. Because you hate capitalism and refuse
to feed the Obama economy right? Either that or they won't let you out
of the nursing home long enough to see a movie. By the way old man.
Don't see it in IMAX 3D. You might get dizzy and fall out of your
wheelchair.
5321 Dead, 454 since 1/20/09
So, to do the correct thing, one should be an ignorant blowhard like you?
5321 Dead, 454 since 1/20/09
I wouldn't describe Avatar as a literary masterpiece. But then, neither
was "Uncle Tom's Cabin". Both accomplished social effects far beyond
their literary merits. With $1b in box office in 2 1/2 weeks (and, I'm
told, nearly a million copies pirated off the net) and LOT of people are
seeing it.
It's an important movie, both for it's extraordinary technological
wizardry, but for the social impact it is having.
5321 Dead, 454 since 1/20/09
I think it -will- have a big social impact, along, of course, with the
technological advances. I see the first 3-D broadcasts using Cameron's
technology are slated for this summer.
Ever read "DaVinci Code"? It was a piece of crap. It's not hard to find
fanfic that is better written. But millions of people have read that
book, and millions more saw the movie, and it was enough to scare the
Catholic Church, one of the most politically powerful entities on earth.
And "Avatar" is by no means crap...
GaryDeWaay
Buerste says...
Well no... it means they PASSED a number of classes... and as a PhD, not
just with c-minuses (like Bush).
Lemmee guess... you got c-minuses in college too, or never even went?
> But, you're too stupid to know that....fucktard! (got lost, eh?)
>
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In the meantime, please don't tell me that it means nothing that
thousands upon thousands of educated experts around the world, from
all political persuasions and backgrounds, continue to believe
man-made climate change is a major issue, unless you can also tell me
why you are better qualified to tell me what's really happening.
-Sami Morris
Steve
Fanfic??????
> But millions of people have read that
>book, and millions more saw the movie, and it was enough to scare the
>Catholic Church, one of the most politically powerful entities on earth.
>
>And "Avatar" is by no means crap...
Not when it can make lefterloons drift away into fantasyland where
they are the most comfortable.
Steve
Social impact? What social impact is Jamieson fantasizing about now?
Steve
If Rich Hanson (Gandalf) really had an IQ higher than room temperature
he'd be able to afford something better than that double wide he lives
in.
Billary/2009
The movie depicts evil corporations conquering, displacing and
murdering foreign (or alien) peoples as a means to steal their natural
resources. The computer animation speaks to today's teens and 20
somethings. Just like "Dances with Wolves" spokes to the tech boom
generation. But of course "Dances with Wolves" was a masterpiece.
Avatar is more about the animation than about plot or themes. It only
proves how thin this generation of young adults really is. The fact
that Zippy thinks it matters only further proves the point. Avatar is
dumbed down propaganda for a dumbed down generation. And dumbed down
Zippy approves.
Billary/2009
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Avatar wasn't "crap". But it was no "Dances with Wolves". Which I had
my teenage son watch immediately after watching Avatar. Just to keep
him grounded in reality. Or film reality, as it were.
5321 Dead, 454 since 1/20/09
Fan fiction. Millions of people write stories, plays, movies, etc.,
based on existing universes such as Star Trek or Harry Potter or Heroes.
Some hope to sell it to the owners and producers of the show in question,
some just for the pleasure of it. It ranges from excellent to abysmally
bad, with Sturgeon's Law applying.
>>
>> > But millions of people have read that
>> >book, and millions more saw the movie, and it was enough to scare the
>> >Catholic Church, one of the most politically powerful entities on
>> >earth.
>>
>> >And "Avatar" is by no means crap...
>>
>> Not when it can make lefterloons drift away into fantasyland where they
>> are the most comfortable.
>
> Avatar wasn't "crap". But it was no "Dances with Wolves". Which I had my
> teenage son watch immediately after watching Avatar. Just to keep him
> grounded in reality. Or film reality, as it were.
I should watch that one again myself. It's been a while. I don't find
Costner as annoying as I used to, so maybe I'll enjoy it a bit more on
the second go.
5321 Dead, 454 since 1/20/09
You're a right winger, and you're going to lecture us on how proganda is
dumbed-down information for dumbed-down people?
Tell us MORE, bubbles!
Billary/2009
Get the extended version of "Dances with Wolves". Costner added about
an hour of additional footage which really deepens the plot and
touches on recurring themes of human conflict, the wastefulness of the
white man and the nobility of the savage native americans.
Steve
I may see it eventually, I hear that the CG is pretty slick... but
only here on my TV... as for the 3d thingy, I'm pretty sure that it
would detract and distract.
Steve
Oh yes... I remember... that would include the former Mrs Jamieson
who wrote some homosexual versions of Star Trek.. That was back when
she was married with Zepp.
>>> > But millions of people have read that
>>> >book, and millions more saw the movie, and it was enough to scare the
>>> >Catholic Church, one of the most politically powerful entities on
>>> >earth.
>>>
>>> >And "Avatar" is by no means crap...
>>>
>>> Not when it can make lefterloons drift away into fantasyland where they
>>> are the most comfortable.
>>
>> Avatar wasn't "crap". But it was no "Dances with Wolves". Which I had my
>> teenage son watch immediately after watching Avatar. Just to keep him
>> grounded in reality. Or film reality, as it were.
>
>I should watch that one again myself. It's been a while. I don't find
>Costner as annoying as I used to, so maybe I'll enjoy it a bit more on
>the second go.
That happens to be the only DVD I ever bought. I liked it in spite of
all the inaccuracies. I really have a problem with movie inaccuracy.
Steve
Sure... the fact is that loser lefterloons like you could use that
lecture, Jamieson.
Gandalf Grey
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>>>>> 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire
>>>>>
>>>>> Conservatives are blind to the 3-D blockbuster's charms.
>>>>
>>>> Not totally unexpected considering the low IQ of conservatives.
>>>>
>>>Considering the even lower IQ of libtards, I'm amazed that libtards
>>>didn't get lost on the way to the theater! Even after they traded their
>>>cheese-checks for tickets, directions and a couple of 40s. I wonder how
>>>many screwed-up the show times?
>>
>> Most PhDs are liberals, fucktard.
>>
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> And how many of them can't tie their own shoes? A degree doesn't imply
> wisdom, morals or the will to do the correct thing.
Neither does belonging to the republican party.
Gandalf Grey
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> >>>http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-
> >>> bigpicture5-2010jan05,0,5932
> >>> 910.story
>
> >>> 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire
>
> >>> Conservatives are blind to the 3-D blockbuster's charms.
>
> >> Not totally unexpected considering the low IQ of conservatives.
>
> > Considering the even lower IQ of libtards,
>
> Most PhDs are liberals, fucktard.
^ Yet you haven't seen the movie.
Yet I have, so there's another thing you're lying about, Shill. Nice to see
that your career as a pathological liar is moving on apace.
Gandalf Grey
On Jan 6, 5:40 am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 00:01:13 -0600, "5321 Dead, 454 since 1/20/09"
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> >On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:00:14 -0800, Billary/2009 wrote:
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> >> On Jan 5, 3:17 pm, "5321 Dead, 454 since 1/20/09" <d...@dead.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> Avatar in IMAX 3D was an amazing technological achievement. Nonetheless
> >> it was nothing more than "Dances with Wolves" meets "Starship
> >> Troopers".
> >> And both were better by far.
>
> >I wouldn't describe Avatar as a literary masterpiece. But then, neither
> >was "Uncle Tom's Cabin". Both accomplished social effects far beyond
> >their literary merits. With $1b in box office in 2 1/2 weeks (and, I'm
> >told, nearly a million copies pirated off the net) and LOT of people are
> >seeing it.
>
> >It's an important movie, both for it's extraordinary technological
> >wizardry, but for the social impact it is having.
>
> Social impact? What social impact is Jamieson fantasizing about now?
^ Avatar is
dumbed down propaganda for a dumbed down generation.
You misspelled FOX News.
Buerste
Ummm...didn't you see "Dances with Wolves" and a bunch of other social
statement movies? Nothing new in Avatar. If it has a "big social impact",
I'd be ashamed of society. Nice effects though.
Buerste
Once is enough or you'll develop Diabetes.
Buerste
Your opinion is worth nothing. Judging by your inability to use logic, I
would guess you're a libtard, not a liberal.
Buerste
"GaryDeWaay" <dewaay2...@sio.midco.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.25ade6dbb...@news.astraweb.com...
Cooked data = lies, deceit and thievery. So much for your "educated
experts", they are corrupt and devoid of morals. I do see how you worship
these liars as your heroes. Keep setting the bar low enough and you will
never fail.
Gandalf Grey
Cooked Data = lies, deceit and thievery = James Inhofe
5321 Dead, 454 since 1/20/09
wrote:
Not my fault if you're silly enough to clothesline yourself in debate.
5321 Dead, 454 since 1/20/09
wrote:
Let me guess: your notion of great movie making is "Terminator"...
Billary/2009
<ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
What's wrong with "The Terminator"? It was groundbreaking work for
it's time. Just as "The Matrix" was for it's time? That Lobby shootout
scene in "The Matrix" has got to be one of my all time favorite scenes
in all of movie history.
5321 Dead, 454 since 1/20/09
wrote:
After years of corporate propaganda underwriting the likes of Faux and
Rush Limbaugh, you are going to feign surprise that society can be
affected by simple ideas, expressed clearly and disseminated widely?
Gandalf Grey
^ What's wrong with "The Terminator"? It was groundbreaking work for
it's time. Just as "The Matrix" was for it's time? That Lobby shootout
scene in "The Matrix" has got to be one of my all time favorite scenes
in all of movie history.
You're a sick puppy, Shill.
5321 Dead, 454 since 1/20/09
Well, neither of them exactly come under the category of "warm and
fuzzy", which is what Bursitis seems to find so contemptable.
Steve
<billarycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jan 6, 3:56锟絧m, "5321 Dead, 454 since 1/20/09"
>> >> Fan fiction. 锟組illions of people write stories, plays, movies, etc.,
>> >> based on existing universes such as Star Trek or Harry Potter or Heroes.
>> >> Some hope to sell it to the owners and producers of the show in question,
>> >> some just for the pleasure of it. 锟絀t ranges from excellent to abysmally
>> >> bad, with Sturgeon's Law applying.
>>
>> >>>> > But millions of people have read that
>> >>>> >book, and millions more saw the movie, and it was enough to scare the
>> >>>> >Catholic Church, one of the most politically powerful entities on
>> >>>> >earth.
>>
>> >>>> >And "Avatar" is by no means crap...
>>
>> >>>> Not when it can make lefterloons drift away into fantasyland where they
>> >>>> are the most comfortable.
>>
>> >>> Avatar wasn't "crap". But it was no "Dances with Wolves". Which I had my
>> >>> teenage son watch immediately after watching Avatar. Just to keep him
>> >>> grounded in reality. Or film reality, as it were.
>>
>> >> I should watch that one again myself. 锟絀t's been a while. 锟絀 don't find
>> >> Costner as annoying as I used to, so maybe I'll enjoy it a bit more on
>> >> the second go.
>>
>> >Once is enough or you'll develop Diabetes.
>>
>> Let me guess: your notion of great movie making is "Terminator"...
>
>What's wrong with "The Terminator"? It was groundbreaking work for
>it's time. Just as "The Matrix" was for it's time? That Lobby shootout
>scene in "The Matrix" has got to be one of my all time favorite scenes
>in all of movie history.
Zepp prefers cartoons...
>"3975 Dead" <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
> Get exposed for what you actually are. Steve here put in years trying
> to dominate other posters by claiming to be a millionaire with yachts,
Poor Zepp... his fantasies are so vivid... I've never mentioned any
level of wealth, I'm comfortably retired but my wealth is small compared to
the lady I share the condo with.
...and the boat I used to have was an old cargo schooner
that had been rotting away down in the Philippines for years until I
resurrected her... She was dandy for long cruises but got to be a pain
in the ass working her way around in the Inland waterway and for day cruises.
She's now been replaced with a modern fiberglass sloop.. and at 42 feet,
she hardly stands out among the other boats in my marina... hardly a
yacht... the other boat is a speedboat... again hardly a yacht....
> apartment complexes,
Only one... sold long ago...
>glamorous lady lawyer
My lady would be delighted to hear that she's glamorous.... although
she does still wear a bikini well.. Truth is she's pretty quiet and
down to earth... corporate lawyer... no flashy trials... no flashy
clothes... although she does keep her toenails painted...
>wives and girlfriends, and
...haven't had a wife since 1982... she died of complications related
to diabetes.... real cute, not very glamorous, though... school
teacher...
Other than my lawyer lady and my wife, I don't believe I've ever
mentioned any girlfriends.... had a few... nothing serious...
nothing special...
> of course, a big education with lots of degrees.
<shrug> one rather normal sized education... one degree...
> It all fell apart under its own absurdity, and now he knows it doesn't
> work, but can't think of anything else to do but hang around and
> snipe.
Speaking of absurdities.....
the things I have are all part of a big list of things Zeppy only
wishes he had.... but never will...... and, of course, what I have
isn't even particularly special... of course, Zepp would think them special
because he has nothing...
>As far as all that goes, he could STILL be a narcissist even though what he
>says isn't true. Unless he was displaying narcissistic tendencies that he
>didn't really have.
Zepp cannot disprove anything...
...and of course, since Fatty Jamieson and his cohorts can't even
decide on what my name is, all he can do is bluster and fume about
what he fantasies me to be... or not to be.....
Reaper G
wrote:
After that, watch "Lawrence of Arabia" to see how great the story was
the first time around. Hope you have a big screen.
5321 Dead, 454 since 1/20/09
If I ever listed the greatest movies ever, it would be in the top five.
Lean revolutionized filmmaking in much the same way that Cameron has.
GaryDeWaay
says...
<crickets>
>
> Cooked data = lies, deceit and thievery. So much for your "educated
> experts", they are corrupt and devoid of morals. I do see how you worship
> these liars as your heroes. Keep setting the bar low enough and you will
> never fail.
What exactly is moral about believing something that has no scientific
basis to it?
I am still waiting for the first Bubba.. er pardon me, skeptic to
provide a PEER-REVIEWED article that backs up their own skepticism...
and I have asked many.
Maybe you can be the first?
Chop chop!!
Michael Ejercito
wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:00:14 -0800, Billary/2009 wrote:
> > On Jan 5, 3:17 pm, "5321 Dead, 454 since 1/20/09" <d...@dead.com> wrote:
>
> > Avatar in IMAX 3D was an amazing technological achievement. Nonetheless
> > it was nothing more than "Dances with Wolves" meets "Starship Troopers".
> > And both were better by far.
>
> I wouldn't describe Avatar as a literary masterpiece. But then, neither
> was "Uncle Tom's Cabin". Both accomplished social effects far beyond
> their literary merits. With $1b in box office in 2 1/2 weeks (and, I'm
> told, nearly a million copies pirated off the net) and LOT of people are
> seeing it.
what one is.
Michael
5321 Dead, 454 since 1/20/09
The Guardian had a great piece today about how we are willfully blind to
our own history.
--
"Normandy beachhead participants did not know or guess that most of them
would die" - David Heil