Re: St. Louis Couple Who Waved Guns At BLM Protesters Face Suspension Of Their Law Licenses

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Jonathan

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Sep 20, 2021, 6:51:48 PMSep 20
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On 9/20/2021 1:38 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> Mark and Patricia McCloskey made national headlines in June 2020 when
> they confronted a group of mostly Black protesters who entered their
> gated community en route to demonstrate in front of the nearby home of a
> former St. Louis mayor.
> Missouri’s chief disciplinary counsel is asking the Missouri Supreme
> Court to suspend the law licenses of Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the
> couple who waved guns at Black Lives Matter protesters in St. Louis last
> year.
>
> In filings with the court, the chief disciplinary counsel, Alan D.
> Pratzel, cited the couple’s guilty pleas to misdemeanors stemming from
> the incident.
>
> Mark McCloskey, who is running for the U.S. Senate, pleaded guilty on
> June 17 to misdemeanor fourth-degree assault and was ordered to pay a
> fine of $750. Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty on the same date to
> misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a fine of $2,000.
>
> Pratzel said both crimes showed “indifference to public safety” and
> involved “moral turpitude,” warranting discipline of the pair.
>
> https://www.kcur.org/news/2021-09-20/st-louis-couple-who-waved-guns-at-blm-protesters-face-suspension-of-their-law-licenses
>
>
> They should be disbarred permanently.


In Florida when you point a loaded gun at someone
when not in self defense that's called aggravated
assault and is a felony punishable by up to
10 years.

They got off with a slap because the prosecutors
are like-minded Trumpsters.


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Jonathan

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Sep 20, 2021, 6:54:51 PMSep 20
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On 9/20/2021 6:26 PM, Lamey wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Sep 2021 10:38:24 -0700, Rudy Canoza <j...@phendrie.con>
> wrote:
>
>> Mark and Patricia McCloskey made national headlines in June 2020 when they
>> confronted a group of mostly Black protesters who entered their gated community
>> en route to demonstrate in front of the nearby home of a former St. Louis mayor.
>> Missouri’s chief disciplinary counsel is asking the Missouri Supreme Court to
>> suspend the law licenses of Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the couple who waved
>> guns at Black Lives Matter protesters in St. Louis last year.
>>
>> In filings with the court, the chief disciplinary counsel, Alan D. Pratzel,
>> cited the couple’s guilty pleas to misdemeanors stemming from the incident.
>>
>> Mark McCloskey, who is running for the U.S. Senate, pleaded guilty on June 17 to
>> misdemeanor fourth-degree assault and was ordered to pay a fine of $750.
>> Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty on the same date to misdemeanor harassment and
>> was ordered to pay a fine of $2,000.
>>
>> Pratzel said both crimes showed “indifference to public safety” and involved
>> “moral turpitude,” warranting discipline of the pair.
>>
>> https://www.kcur.org/news/2021-09-20/st-louis-couple-who-waved-guns-at-blm-protesters-face-suspension-of-their-law-licenses
>>
>> They should be disbarred permanently.
>
>
> Why Rudy? For defending their property? You are so stupid. So when you
> are done avoiding the elephant in the room, what has Joe done for the
> people?
>


No one stepped onto their property, the protest was walking
past their house on the sidewalk. And in my state with
its 'stand your ground' law, if someone points a loaded gun
at you, you have every right to shoot them dead where
they stand.

The protesters would have been within their rights to open
fire once they brandished their guns at them.

BeamMeUpScotty

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Sep 20, 2021, 7:45:20 PMSep 20
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The protestors were rioters who broke down the fence gate to get into
the private property and in a gated community that appears to have their
own security fence, the sidewalk may not be "public" similar to the
elevators in a "Condominium" where the elevator is behind the front
doors that are there for security.

And I tend to agree that those people should have stayed in the house
with their phone on video app and recording and not go outside and throw
gas on the fire by even being seen, it's a better defense position
behind a wall where the scum attacking you can't see your silhouette to
shoot at you. And you shouldn't show or point a gun unless they fire at
you or throw Molotov cocktails and you have a good clean shot at the
single person trying to kill you.

And you never point or shoot a gun unless it's in self defense or at
some sort if private shooting and target set up. Guns are NOT for making
a point or expressing your "intent"... simply to return fire when
fired on. Like any tool there is a proper place and way to use it. You
don't throw the hammer at nails... people would get hurt on the job site.

That said it was their private property and those rioters were
threatening and did try to intimidate the people living there and an
assault on your home is an assault worthy of repelling.

But I think it's best to act with a bit of reserve and stealth.



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Sep 20, 2021, 7:57:55 PMSep 20
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In news:UKudnZchxbGrjNT8...@giganews.com, Jonathan <Maili...@gmail.com> typed:
You're obviously not an attorney.


Harlan Banks

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Sep 20, 2021, 10:52:47 PMSep 20
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On 9/20/2021 4:45 PM, #ReamMeUpTheAssSnotty, brain-damaged fucktard who rode his
scooter into a tree while not wearing a helmet, stupidly bawled and lied:
No, you stupid shit-4-braincell cocksucker, they didn't. They entered a private
street through an *unlocked* gate.

Every word you write is bullshit.

Jonathan

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Sep 22, 2021, 6:27:52 PMSep 22
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The sidewalk the protesters used was not owned by the
McCloskeys but by the trustees of the complex.

"In a statement, City Counselor Mike Garvin wrote,
“prosecution is not warranted against these particular
individuals,” after municipal court prosecutors reviewed
property records of the street as well as video of the
June 28 confrontation and interviewed witnesses."

"Garvin also noted the attorney for the trustees
who own the street did not wish to pursue charges."
https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local/st-louis-city-counselors-refuse-charges-against-protesters-accused-of-trespassing-in-mccloskey-case/63-989a40d3-259c-482c-b182-1f419af867dc


Walking past their property is not trespassing
on the McCloskey's property. They had no right
to threaten them with guns. Typical self defense
laws REQUIRE that you to retreat as possible
before using deadly force in self defense as
explained below.



However, Florida does have one unique law that stands out.
The state’s “Stand Your Ground” law is unlike the
self-defense laws in other states, which state that you must
retreat first before using a firearm, knife or other type
of deadly force. This means that before you shoot or attempt
to kill the person, you must back away. You must run
or otherwise try to escape your attacker before using a
weapon. The weapon must be your last resort.

Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law does not require this.
The law allows a person to use deadly force anytime they
are at risk of bodily harm or they feel their life is
threatened. A person does not have a duty to retreat.
As long as they are not trespassing onto someone else’s
property, they can use deadly force to defend themselves.
They can use a weapon in a home, outside, in a parking
lot, in a restaurant, movie theater and other areas.
They can use guns if they are in areas where concealed
weapons are allowed and they have a proper permit.

This is why a Florida man would not face criminal charges
for using a weapon. It was recently announced that a
28-year-old man who pulled a gun on a man and his daughter
shopping at a Walmart would not face criminal charges, as
he was acting in self-defense. The man accused of weapons
charges was wearing a face mask when he entered the store,
but took it off when his glasses started fogging up.
A Walmart customer told him to put a mask on and hit him
in the head with an umbrella. The man feared for his life
and shot the customer with a Smith & Wesson .40 caliber
semi-automatic gun.

https://www.manderlawgroup.com/floridas-stand-your-ground-law-provides-defense-to-weapons-charges/













>
> And I tend to agree that those people should have stayed in the house
> with their phone on video app and recording and not go outside and throw
> gas on the fire by even being seen, it's a better defense position
> behind a wall where the scum attacking you can't see your silhouette to
> shoot at you. And you shouldn't show or point a gun unless they fire at
> you or throw Molotov cocktails and you have a good clean shot at the
> single person trying to kill you.
>
> And you never point or shoot a gun unless it's in self defense or at
> some sort if private shooting and target set up. Guns are NOT for making
> a point or expressing your "intent"... simply to return fire when
> fired on. Like any tool there is a proper place and way to use it. You
> don't throw the hammer at nails... people would get hurt on the job site.
>
> That said it was their private property and those rioters were
> threatening and did try to intimidate the people living there and an
> assault on your home is an assault worthy of repelling.
>
> But I think it's best to act with a bit of reserve and stealth.
>
>
>


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BeamMeUpScotty

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Sep 22, 2021, 8:03:30 PMSep 22
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They were pardoned so there is no crime to refer to when claiming that
they need to be censured.

They were threatened by the rioters so the open carry law (RIGHT TO KEEP
AND BEAR ARMS) would mean that they can't hide them under a coat, there
is no where to carry it except in their hands in the open.

The laws required they NOT conceal their weapons without a license.

The people trying to persecute those people are trying to undermine
their RIGHTS as retribution for standing up for their Constitutional
RIGHTS to keep and bear arms.

The people trying to use the legal profession to exact their pound of
flesh for what was NOT a crime.... and will never have a criminal
sentencing for it.



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Someone

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Sep 22, 2021, 10:01:31 PMSep 22
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On 9/22/2021 5:03 PM, #ReamMeUpTheAssSnotty, brain-damaged fucktard who rode his
scooter into a tree while not wearing a helmet, stupidly bawled and lied:


So they are guilty. Acceptance of a pardon is an admission of guilt.

>
> They were threatened by the rioters

No, they were not threatened by the protesters in any way.

>
> The laws required they NOT conceal their weapons without a license.

Now #ReamMeUpTheAssSnotty completely queers it by showing he knows nothing about
the law.

Wiggers in the river

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Sep 22, 2021, 11:05:02 PMSep 22
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On 20 Sep 2021, Asshat Rudy Canoza <j...@phendrie.con> posted some

> Mark and Patricia McCloskey made national headlines in June 2020
when
> they confronted a group of mostly Black protesters who entered
their
> gated community en route to demonstrate in front of the nearby
home of
> a former St. Louis mayor. Missouri’s chief disciplinary counsel
is
> asking the Missouri Supreme Court to suspend the law licenses of
Mark
> and Patricia McCloskey, the couple who waved guns at Black Lives
> Matter protesters in St. Louis last year.
>
> In filings with the court, the chief disciplinary counsel, Alan D.
> Pratzel, cited the couple’s guilty pleas to misdemeanors
stemming
> from the incident.
>
> Mark McCloskey, who is running for the U.S. Senate, pleaded guilty
on
> June 17 to misdemeanor fourth-degree assault and was ordered to
pay a
> fine of $750. Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty on the same date
to
> misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a fine of $2,000.
>
> Pratzel said both crimes showed “indifference to public safetyâ€
> and involved “moral turpitude,†warranting discipline of the
pair.
>
> https://www.kcur.org/news/2021-09-20/st-louis-couple-who-waved-
guns-at-
> blm-protesters-face-suspension-of-their-law-licenses
>
> They should be disbarred permanently.

You call Alan right on up and tell him that.

Alan D. Pratzel, Chief Disciplinary Counsel
3327 American Avenue Jefferson City, Missouri 65109-1016.

Better yet, email him.

Alan.P...@courts.mo

Contrary to common belief, it is the Supreme Court of Missouri – not
The Missouri Bar – that is in charge of the state's lawyer
discipline system. To protect the public, the Supreme Court oversees
a mechanism for investigation and, where necessary, discipline of
lawyers who fail to meet their professional obligations.

Pratzel can eat shit.

Fred C. Dobbs

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Sep 23, 2021, 12:12:32 AMSep 23
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On 9/20/2021 4:45 PM, #ReamMeUpTheAssSnotty, brain-damaged fucktard who rode his
scooter into a tree while not wearing a helmet, stupidly bawled and lied:

They weren't rioters, and they broke down no fence gate. The gate was unlocked.
This is proved.

Here's something else that's proved: you're a brain-damaged lying shitbag. And
your whore grandmother was a Democrat.


Bla...@mixmin.net

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On 22 Sep 2021, "Fred C. Dobbs aka Rudy the corncob cleaner"
<trea...@sierramadre.con> posted some


> On 9/20/2021 4:45 PM, #ReamMeUpTheAssSnotty, brain-damaged
fucktard
> who rode his scooter into a tree while not wearing a helmet,
stupidly
>
>> On 9/20/21 6:54 PM, Jonathan wrote:
>>> On 9/20/2021 6:26 PM, Lamey wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 20 Sep 2021 10:38:24 -0700, Rudy Canoza
<j...@phendrie.con>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mark and Patricia McCloskey made national headlines in June
2020
>>>>> when they
>>>>> confronted a group of mostly Black protesters who entered
their
>>>>> gated community
>>>>> en route to demonstrate in front of the nearby home of a
former
>>>>> St. Louis mayor.
>>>>> Missouri’s chief disciplinary counsel is asking the Missouri
>>>>> Supreme Court to
>>>>> suspend the law licenses of Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the
>>>>> couple who waved
>>>>> guns at Black Lives Matter protesters in St. Louis last year.
>>>>>
>>>>> In filings with the court, the chief disciplinary counsel,
Alan D.
>>>>> Pratzel,
>>>>> cited the couple’s guilty pleas to misdemeanors stemming
from
>>>>> the incident.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark McCloskey, who is running for the U.S. Senate, pleaded
guilty
>>>>> on June 17 to
>>>>> misdemeanor fourth-degree assault and was ordered to pay a
fine of
>>>>> $750. Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty on the same date to
>>>>> misdemeanor harassment and
>>>>> was ordered to pay a fine of $2,000.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pratzel said both crimes showed “indifference to public
>>>>> safety†and involved
>>>>> “moral turpitude,†warranting discipline of the pair.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.kcur.org/news/2021-09-20/st-louis-couple-who-
waved-guns
>>>>> -at-blm-protesters-face-suspension-of-their-law-licenses
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They should be disbarred permanently.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why Rudy? For defending their property? You are so stupid. So
when
>>>> you are done avoiding the elephant in the room, what has Joe
done
>>>> for the people?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No one stepped onto their property, the protest was walking
>>> past their house on the sidewalk.  And in my state with
>>> its 'stand your ground' law, if someone points a loaded gun
>>> at you, you have every right to shoot them dead where
>>> they stand.
>>>
>>> The protesters would have been within their rights to open
>>> fire once they brandished their guns at them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> The protestors were rioters who broke down the fence gate to get
into
>> the private property and
>
> They weren't rioters, and they broke down no fence gate. The gate
was
> unlocked.

"About two hours into the demonstration on Kingshighway, the
marchers began making their way towards Krewson's home. They
walked north and made a left toward a street called Portland
Place, which is blocked at both ends with imposing stone and
wrought iron gates. Signs marked "Private Property" are posted
at either end.

The couple's lawyer at the time shared pictures of the gate,
which was twisted and broken on its left side. "A mob of at
least 100 smashed through the historic wrought iron gates of
Portland Place, destroying them, rushed towards my home where
my family was having dinner outside and put us in fear for our
lives," Mark McCloskey also told KMOV.

> This is proved.

Most legal analysts agree that the protesters were trespassing
when they entered Portland Place.

Missouri's Attorney General Eric Schmitt also filed a legal
brief in support of dismissing the case, writing that prosecuting
the McCloskeys is a violation of their right to bear arms, and
their right to defend their property under Missouri's "castle
doctrine" law.

"Not a single person in the out-of-control mob you saw at our
house was charged with a crime," he said.

"But you know who was? We were. They've actually charged us
with a felony for daring to defend our home."

> shitbag. And my whore grandmother was a Democrat.

The truth will set you free.

Jonathan

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Sep 23, 2021, 7:29:16 AMSep 23
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They pleaded guilty and accepting a pardon is an admission
of a crime.


> They were threatened by the rioters so the open carry law (RIGHT TO KEEP
> AND BEAR ARMS) would mean that they can't hide them under a coat, there
> is no where to carry it except in their hands in the open.
>
> The laws required they NOT conceal their weapons without a license.
>


In my state of Florida /pointing/ a gun at someone is called
aggravated assault and is a felony of up to ten years.



> The people trying to persecute those people are trying to undermine
> their RIGHTS as retribution for standing up for their Constitutional
> RIGHTS to keep and bear arms.
>
> The people trying to use the legal profession to exact their pound of
> flesh for what was NOT a crime.... and will never have a criminal
> sentencing for it.
>

Why don't you prove your assertion, point a gun at someone walking
down the sidewalk in front of your place. See what happens.

If you live in Florida, you might want to wear a flack jacket.

BeamMeUpScotty

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Sep 23, 2021, 8:57:01 AMSep 23
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Then you're admitting there was a gate that sealed off the private
property but the rioters invaded that private property.... and they
threatened the people inside the gates.... What happens on Federal
Property like say the Capital when people walk past the gates that they
either broke or ignored as a demarcation line placed there by NANCY
PELOSI?


There are people still in jail months later for trespassing on the
Capital property where there was no fence and there was no PRIVATE
property because we the people own that Capital building and what's
inside it. SO why are the #BLM RIOTERS who busted the fence and
trespassed on private property of the home owners there.... in jail?

And why can the Capital police have guns to protect that building
they're in but these people can't have guns to protect their home... and
in FACT the Capital police shot a person who was in the Capital building
and nothing happened to the cop that shot that person while these people
had guns legally and didn't hide them because the law says you have to
have a "Concealed Carry" permit or license or openly carry it somewhere
visible.

It looks like you might want to slow your roll unless you want that
Capital cop and maybe NANCY PELOSI and others to go to jail for
conspiracy and killing someone in the commission of the DEMOCRATS coup
D`etat, which would get all those covering up their crimes the death
penalty. Nancy Pelosi did conspire with General Milley and that is a
Coup D`etat and amidst that Coup D`etat was when the murder of Ashlie
Babbitt... while Democrats were conducting the illegal DEMOCRAT Coup
D`etat business that was a violation of the U.S. Constitution. Looks
like the death penalty for the people involved in the Coup D`etat. They
committed MURDER wile the DEMOCRATS Coup D`etat AGAINST TRUMP was in
progress.

That makes the DEMOCRATS COUP D`ETAT the worst case of TREASON other
than maybe some of the assassinations where the people committing those
crimes against the U.S. Constitution were either killed or captured and
put in prison.

Looks like You convinced me that hose people protecting their home are
innocent and Nancy Pelosi and the Capital Cop and Nancy Pelosi are
guilty of treason and MURDER in the commission of the TREASON.


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BeamMeUpScotty

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Sep 23, 2021, 9:28:28 AMSep 23
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On 9/23/21 12:12 AM, Fred C. Dobbs wrote:
Then you're admitting there was a gate that sealed off the private
property but the rioters invaded that private property.... and they
threatened the people inside the gates.... What happens on Federal
Property like say the Capital when people walk past the gates that they
either broke or ignored as a demarcation line placed there by NANCY
PELOSI?


There are people still in jail months later for trespassing on the
Capital property where there was no fence and there was no PRIVATE
property because we the people own that Capital building and what's
inside it. SO why *aren't* the #BLM RIOTERS who busted the fence and
trespassed on private property of the home owners there.... in jail?

And why can the Capital police have guns to protect that building
they're in but these people can't have guns to protect their home... and
in FACT the Capital police shot a person who was in the Capital building
and nothing happened to the cop that shot that person while these people
had guns legally and didn't hide them because the law says you have to
have a "Concealed Carry" permit or license or openly carry it somewhere
visible.

It looks like you might want to slow your roll unless you want that
Capital cop and maybe NANCY PELOSI and others to go to jail for
conspiracy and killing someone in the commission of the DEMOCRATS coup
D`etat, which would get all those covering up their crimes the death
penalty. Nancy Pelosi did conspire with General Milley and that is a
Coup D`etat and amidst that Coup D`etat was when the murder of Ashlie
Babbitt... while Democrats were conducting the illegal DEMOCRAT Coup
D`etat business that was a violation of the U.S. Constitution. Looks
like the death penalty for the people involved in the Coup D`etat. They
committed MURDER wile the DEMOCRATS Coup D`etat AGAINST TRUMP was in
progress.

That makes the DEMOCRATS COUP D`ETAT the worst case of TREASON other
than maybe some of the assassinations where the people committing those
crimes against the U.S. Constitution were either killed or captured and
put in prison.

Looks like You convinced me that those people protecting their home are
innocent and Nancy Pelosi and the Capital Cop and Nancy Pelosi's staff
are guilty of treason and MURDER in the commission of the Democrats Coup
D`etat that Pelosi was colluding with General Milley and others to
coordinate.


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On 23 Sep 2021, Jonathan <Maili...@gmail.com> posted some

> In my state of Florida /pointing/ a gun at someone is called
> aggravated assault and is a felony of up to ten years.

You don't live in Florida you New York faggot.

The Florida "Castle Doctrine" law basically does three things:




It also prohibits criminals and their families from suing victims
for injuring or killing the criminals who have attacked them.

In short, it gives rights back to law-abiding people and forces
judges and prosecutors who are prone to coddling criminals to
instead focus on protecting victims.
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