#Charges filed in 2004 Ohio vote count: "The fix was in"
2342 Dead
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Workers accused of fudging ’04 recount
Prosecutor says Cuyahoga skirted rules
Thursday, April 06, 2006
Joan Mazzolini
Plain Dealer Reporter
After the 2004 presidential election, Cuyahoga County election workers
secretly skirted rules designed to make sure all votes were counted
correctly, a special prosecutor charges.
While there is no evidence of vote fraud, the prosecutor said their
efforts were aimed at avoiding an expensive - and very public - hand
recount of all votes cast. Three top county elections officials have
been indicted, and Erie County Prosecutor Kevin Baxter says more
indictments are possible.
Michael Vu, executive director of the Cuyahoga County elections board,
said workers followed procedures that had been in place for 23 years.
He said board employees had no objection to doing an exhaustive hand
count if needed, meaning they had no motive to break the law.
Internet bloggers have cried foul since 2004 about election results in
Ohio, one of the key states in deciding the election. They have been
tracking Baxter's investigation with online posts about the
indictments.
Baxter's prosecution centers on Ohio's safeguards for ensuring that
every vote is counted.
Baxter charges that Cuyahoga election workers - mindful of the
monthlong Florida recount in 2000 - not only ignored the safeguards
but worked to defeat them during Ohio's 2004 recount.
Candidates for president from the Green and Libertarian parties
requested the Ohio recount. State laws and regulations specify how a
recount works.
Election workers in each county are supposed to count 3 percent of the
ballots by hand and by machine, randomly choosing precincts for that
count.
If the hand and machine counts match, the other 97 percent of the
votes are recounted by machine. If the numbers don't match, workers
repeat the effort. If they still don't match exactly, the workers must
complete the recount by hand, a tedious process that could take weeks
and cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.
But the fix was in at the Cuyahoga elections board, Baxter charges.
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a.a. #2211 -- Bryan Zepp Jamieson
B1ackwater
everyone knows it. This crap is a total waste of time and effort.
Kerry is NOT gonna move into the White House between now and
2008 (nor anytime afterwards). There's enough dirt out there
about the DNC cheating the system and stuffing the ballots so
that you don't WANT a broader investigation.
Brian Carey
While there is no evidence of vote fraud,
Worth repeating.
2342 Dead
Isn't this a bit like arguing that someone shouldn't be prosecuted for
murder because either way, the victim would still be dead?
Perhaps you like to live in a place where it's easy for slimeballs to
steal elections. Get over that.
Jeffrey Scott Linder
Sure was. Kerry got 67% of the vote in 2004 and Gore only got 62% in
2000.
JSL
_invertebrate_
"2342 Dead" <zepp#221123...@nospamzeppscommentaries.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 15:30:49 GMT, b...@barrrk.net (B1ackwater) wrote:
>
>>Oh GIVE IT *UP* guy ! "W"s gonna finish his term. You know it,
>>everyone knows it. This crap is a total waste of time and effort.
>>Kerry is NOT gonna move into the White House between now and
>>2008 (nor anytime afterwards). There's enough dirt out there
>>about the DNC cheating the system and stuffing the ballots so
>>that you don't WANT a broader investigation.
>
Fine, 2004 is over. But I and others who support the Dems are calling for
investigations. Maybe there is something to what you say about Democratic
cheating, and that is why the Dems aren't even more aggressive on this. But
I expect the Republican fraud machine is more effective than the Democratic
one. If you disagree, and support the Repubs, then you should be happy to
see investigations.
> Isn't this a bit like arguing that someone shouldn't be prosecuted for
> murder because either way, the victim would still be dead?
>
> Perhaps you like to live in a place where it's easy for slimeballs to
> steal elections. Get over that.
>
We should also be concerned about the future as well as the past. Our
concern for the past would result in punishments for the guilty, and our
concern for the future would result in, for one thing, a little concern in
the media about the problem of fraud, and willingness to stick with the
story. For real changes to happen, there has to be a sense out there that
it is okay to demand that the ballot counts be accurate.
_invertebrate_