Who knew Nancy Pelosi did comedy?
Stevie Nichts
C-SPAN wrote a letter to congressional leaders
Tuesday asking that TV cameras be allowed to
film negotiations to reconcile the House and
Senate versions of healthcare reform legislation.
But Pelosi said Congress has already been
transparent throughout the process.
"There has never been a more open process
for any legislation," Pelosi said at a press conference.
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http://www.usnews.com/blogs/peter-roff/2010/01/04/democratic-leaders-plan-secret-health-reform-deliberations.html
Despite their claims to the contrary, the way that
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority
Leader Harry Reid have handled the healthcare
bill has been anything but transparent. And, if
the left-wing blogosphere is to be believed, the
two congressional leaders intend to keep the
deliberations secret as they try to merge the
House and Senate versions of the legislation
into something that will pass both chambers.
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"[T]he Democrats intend to lead the most
honest, most open and most ethical Congress
in history." --Nancy Pelosi, D-Alternate Universe
The country's in the very best of hands.
Ernst Blofeld
In which Obama promises to make health care negotiations public and
transparent.
Paladin
> http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/74389-pelosi-responds-to-c-span-there-has-never-been-a-more-open-process
>
> C-SPAN wrote a letter to congressional leaders
> Tuesday asking that TV cameras be allowed to
> film negotiations to reconcile the House and
> Senate versions of healthcare reform legislation.
>
> But Pelosi said Congress has already been
> transparent throughout the process.
>
> "There has never been a more open process
> for any legislation," Pelosi said at a press conference.
> ----
> http://www.usnews.com/blogs/peter-roff/2010/01/04/democratic-leaders-plan-secret-health-reform-deliberations.html
>
> Despite their claims to the contrary, the way that
> House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority
> Leader Harry Reid have handled the healthcare
> bill has been anything but transparent. And, if
> the left-wing blogosphere is to be believed, the
> two congressional leaders intend to keep the
> deliberations secret as they try to merge the
> House and Senate versions of the legislation
> into something that will pass both chambers.
For months Baucus held up the legislation in committee;
he permitted Republicans to propose hundreds of
amendments designed to load the bill with so pork it
would be unfeasible. When it reached the floor of the
Senate, Reid followed Senate rules beyond the spirit of
the rules, allowing Republicans to, for instance,
require a five-hour reading of one of the hundreds of
proposed amendments. It was transparent, all right.
The American people experienced first-hand the
fractiousness of the Party of No.
> ----
>
> "[T]he Democrats intend to lead the most
> honest, most open and most ethical Congress
> in history." --Nancy Pelosi, D-Alternate Universe
>
> The country's in the very best of hands.
You are absolutely correct. So-called blue dog
Democrats have proven that Korporate bribery is a true
art form. But the Democratic Party is still getting
things done that will pay huge dividends to the middle
class of America.
Killing, Inc.
> Stevie Nichts wrote:
> >http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/74389-pelosi-respond...
>
> > C-SPAN wrote a letter to congressional leaders
> > Tuesday asking that TV cameras be allowed to
> > film negotiations to reconcile the House and
> > Senate versions of healthcare reform legislation.
>
> > But Pelosi said Congress has already been
> > transparent throughout the process.
>
> > "There has never been a more open process
> > for any legislation," Pelosi said at a press conference.
> > ----
>
> > Despite their claims to the contrary, the way that
> > House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority
> > Leader Harry Reid have handled the healthcare
> > bill has been anything but transparent. And, if
> > the left-wing blogosphere is to be believed, the
> > two congressional leaders intend to keep the
> > deliberations secret as they try to merge the
> > House and Senate versions of the legislation
> > into something that will pass both chambers.
>
> For months Baucus held up the legislation in committee;
Okay, Baucus is a Democrat, sooo.....?
> he permitted Republicans to propose hundreds of
> amendments designed to load the bill with so pork it
> would be unfeasible.
The amendments made by Republicans were procedural. "Pork" is a quid
pro quo. Since no Repubs voted for the bill, where's the quid pro quo?
You are clearly just lying.
> When it reached the floor of the
> Senate, Reid followed Senate rules beyond the spirit of
> the rules,
How so? Explain.
> allowing Republicans to, for instance,
> require a five-hour reading of one of the hundreds of
> proposed amendments.
He couldn't stop it. Any one senator can call for a reading.
> It was transparent, all right.
> The American people experienced first-hand the
> fractiousness of the Party of No.
The American people have been kept mostly in the dark by the Democrats
about the contents of the health bill. Polling shows they have no idea
what's going on.
> > ----
>
> > "[T]he Democrats intend to lead the most
> > honest, most open and most ethical Congress
> > in history." --Nancy Pelosi, D-Alternate Universe
>
> > The country's in the very best of hands.
>
> You are absolutely correct. So-called blue dog
> Democrats have proven that Korporate bribery is a true
> art form. But the Democratic Party is still getting
> things done that will pay huge dividends to the middle
> class of America
You are a parrot, a true believer, and a fool.
Not Sure
> Stevie Nichts wrote:
> >http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/74389-pelosi-respond...
>
> > Tuesday asking that TV cameras be allowed to
> > film negotiations to reconcile the House and
> > Senate versions of healthcare reform legislation.
>
> > But Pelosi said Congress has already been
> > transparent throughout the process.
>
> > "There has never been a more open process
> > for any legislation," Pelosi said at a press conference.
> > ----
>
> > Despite their claims to the contrary, the way that
> > House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority
> > Leader Harry Reid have handled the healthcare
> > bill has been anything but transparent. And, if
> > the left-wing blogosphere is to be believed, the
> > two congressional leaders intend to keep the
> > deliberations secret as they try to merge the
> > House and Senate versions of the legislation
> > into something that will pass both chambers.
>
> For months Baucus held up the legislation in committee;
> he permitted Republicans to propose hundreds of
> amendments designed to load the bill with so pork it
> would be unfeasible. When it reached the floor of the
> Senate, Reid followed Senate rules beyond the spirit of
> the rules, allowing Republicans to, for instance,
> require a five-hour reading of one of the hundreds of
> proposed amendments. It was transparent, all right.
> The American people experienced first-hand the
> fractiousness of the Party of No.
True. And thanks to them, this bill is such a pile of shit that it'll
neatly give Congress back to the GOP. Try not to cry :)
Paladin
Sonny, tune in CSpan sometime: the hearings were all
broadcast live--all day and all night too if necessary.
Everything the REpugs wanted received a fair
vote--Hatch alone proposed 47 amendments. Some of
those hundred+ republican amendments were passed with
bi-partisan voting.
>
>> When it reached the floor of the
>> Senate, Reid followed Senate rules beyond the spirit of
>> the rules,
>
> How so? Explain.
you don't read very well do you? Read below again.
>
>> allowing Republicans to, for instance,
>> require a five-hour reading of one of the hundreds of
>> proposed amendments.
>
> He couldn't stop it. Any one senator can call for a reading.
But they never do, doofus. That was clearly a delaying
tactic.
>
>> It was transparent, all right.
>> The American people experienced first-hand the
>> fractiousness of the Party of No.
>
> The American people have been kept mostly in the dark by the Democrats
> about the contents of the health bill. Polling shows they have no idea
> what's going on.
If they don't know they have not been paying attention.
The entire contents of the bills are posted online in
several places. Don't blame the Democrats if you
pee-baggers prefer to remain ignorant.
>
>>> ----
>>> "[T]he Democrats intend to lead the most
>>> honest, most open and most ethical Congress
>>> in history." --Nancy Pelosi, D-Alternate Universe
>>> The country's in the very best of hands.
>> You are absolutely correct. So-called blue dog
>> Democrats have proven that Korporate bribery is a true
>> art form. But the Democratic Party is still getting
>> things done that will pay huge dividends to the middle
>> class of America
>
> You are a parrot, a true believer, and a fool.
I never claimed the Democrats are perfect--they too can
be bribed by Big Business. But compared to Republicans
they are downright angelic. You pee-baggers are the
fools for eating the bullshit the big-money masters of
the republican party are ladling into your soup.
Paladin
Rick Saunders
What planet did you fly in from where anyone could
possibly misinterpret his words so badly?
Rick Saunders
> Stevie Nichts wrote:
> >http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/74389-pelosi-respond...
>
> > Tuesday asking that TV cameras be allowed to
> > film negotiations to reconcile the House and
> > Senate versions of healthcare reform legislation.
>
> > But Pelosi said Congress has already been
> > transparent throughout the process.
>
> > "There has never been a more open process
> > for any legislation," Pelosi said at a press conference.
> > ----
>
> > Despite their claims to the contrary, the way that
> > House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority
> > Leader Harry Reid have handled the healthcare
> > bill has been anything but transparent. And, if
> > the left-wing blogosphere is to be believed, the
> > two congressional leaders intend to keep the
> > deliberations secret as they try to merge the
> > House and Senate versions of the legislation
> > into something that will pass both chambers.
>
> For months Baucus held up the legislation in committee;
> he permitted Republicans to propose hundreds of
> amendments designed to load the bill with so pork it
> would be unfeasible.
In what universe did that happen?
> When it reached the floor of the
> Senate, Reid followed Senate rules beyond the spirit of
> the rules, allowing Republicans to, for instance,
> require a five-hour reading of one of the hundreds of
> proposed amendments.
There was one instance where that happened,
and it was BECAUSE of Senate rules that it
started to get read. Reid threw those rules in
the toilet by interrupting the reading.
> It was transparent, all right.
> The American people experienced first-hand the
> fractiousness of the Party of No.
You'd better contact your masters -- that
talking point expired months ago when the
Blue Dogs started revolting against the
Dem tyranny.
Paladin
Wrong. There were at least two occurrences. one lasting
5 hours and one more than 2.5 hours. While they were
being read, McConnel and his riechtarded republicans
left the floor.
>
>> It was transparent, all right.
>> The American people experienced first-hand the
>> fractiousness of the Party of No.
>
> You'd better contact your masters -- that
> talking point expired months ago when the
> Blue Dogs started revolting against the
> Dem tyranny.
I don't rely on talking points: I rely on fact. and the
fact is that blue dog Democrats thoroughly pissed off
their Democratic constituents. The fact is that
Lieberman and other traitorous Democrats received
millions in "campaign donations" from big pharma and
big insurance during the hearings themselves. They
were either bought off or scared of you Pee-Baggers.
Killing, Inc.
I do, but I'm pretty busy during the day and at 1:30 in the morning. I
have a job, I work when I'm there, and I sleep during normal hours,
therefore I'm not a Democrat.
> Everything the REpugs wanted received a fair
> vote--Hatch alone proposed 47 amendments. Some of
> those hundred+ republican amendments were passed with
> bi-partisan voting.
That's because they were procedural, as I said. No, none, zero, Repub
content amendments were even allowed on the floor for a vote.
> >> When it reached the floor of the
> >> Senate, Reid followed Senate rules beyond the spirit of
> >> the rules,
>
> > How so? Explain.
>
> you don't read very well do you? Read below again.
I'll admit I don't like reading the same old parrot lines I've read
over and over from others already.
> >> allowing Republicans to, for instance,
> >> require a five-hour reading of one of the hundreds of
> >> proposed amendments.
>
> > He couldn't stop it. Any one senator can call for a reading.
>
> But they never do, doofus. That was clearly a delaying
> tactic.
So Reid and the Democretins get to use the whole playbook, but Repubs
don't get to use any tactics. I wouldn't want to watch a football game
with you; you'd accuse my team of cheating just by walking onto the
field.
> >> It was transparent, all right.
> >> The American people experienced first-hand the
> >> fractiousness of the Party of No.
>
> > The American people have been kept mostly in the dark by the Democrats
> > about the contents of the health bill. Polling shows they have no idea
> > what's going on.
>
> If they don't know they have not been paying attention.
> The entire contents of the bills are posted online in
> several places. Don't blame the Democrats if you
> pee-baggers prefer to remain ignorant.
Senator Snowe, the Dems only real chance at a bipartisan bill in the
Senate, said she couldn't vote for it because she couldn't answer
basic questions for her constituents, like what the copay is and the
deductible.
You claim to be so smart, explain these things IN DETAIL below here.
> >>> ----
> >>> "[T]he Democrats intend to lead the most
> >>> honest, most open and most ethical Congress
> >>> in history." --Nancy Pelosi, D-Alternate Universe
> >>> The country's in the very best of hands.
> >> You are absolutely correct. So-called blue dog
> >> Democrats have proven that Korporate bribery is a true
> >> art form. But the Democratic Party is still getting
> >> things done that will pay huge dividends to the middle
> >> class of America
>
> > You are a parrot, a true believer, and a fool.
>
> I never claimed the Democrats are perfect--they too can
> be bribed by Big Business. But compared to Republicans
> they are downright angelic. You pee-baggers are the
> fools for eating the bullshit the big-money masters of
> the republican party are ladling into your soup.
Your religious blind faith and devotion to Obama and the Democretins,
despite the fact that EVERY program they have attempted so far has
failed miserably (and this one looks doomed to the same fate), makes
you quite the Kool Aid-drinking mouthpiece.
Paladin
708 republican amendments were voted on in the House,
and several were passed. In Baucus' Senate committee,
Republicans proposed a lot of slowing, bloating,
downright asinine amendments, and, yes, a few of them
did make it out of the committee into the final bill
that was voted on by the full Senate.
One of those Republican amendments was to open Medicare
rolls to those as young as 55. Democrats quickly
jumped on board with it--then Republicans reversed
course and blocked its adoption.
>
>>>> When it reached the floor of the
>>>> Senate, Reid followed Senate rules beyond the spirit of
>>>> the rules,
>>> How so? Explain.
>> you don't read very well do you? Read below again.
>
> I'll admit I don't like reading the same old parrot lines I've read
> over and over from others already.
Then don't whine that you've not been informed. That
you choose to ignore facts presented to you is your
business. Just remember that the root of the word
"ignorance" is the word "ignore."
>
>>>> allowing Republicans to, for instance,
>>>> require a five-hour reading of one of the hundreds of
>>>> proposed amendments.
>>> He couldn't stop it. Any one senator can call for a reading.
>> But they never do, doofus. That was clearly a delaying
>> tactic.
>
> So Reid and the Democretins get to use the whole playbook, but Repubs
> don't get to use any tactics. I wouldn't want to watch a football game
> with you; you'd accuse my team of cheating just by walking onto the
> field.
I remember when the Republicans had total control of
the government. Do you? Do you remember when Dick
Cheney went behind closed doors with oil company
executives to formulate our nation's energy policy? Do
you remember the times that Democrats were illegally
locked out of committee hearings? Do you remember that
REpublicans supposedly drafted 2,000 pages of the
Homeland Security bill in about four hours with zero
Democratic input; that they were told they could not
examine the massive bill beforehand, that they must
vote for it or be labeled anti-American?
Politics is a dirty business, to be sure. Both sides
use blocking, delaying tactics to subvert the will of
the people. See, I admit that Democrats can be bribed
and threatened into submission. Can you find the
courage to admit that your side is ruled by assholes as
well?
>
>>>> It was transparent, all right.
>>>> The American people experienced first-hand the
>>>> fractiousness of the Party of No.
>>> The American people have been kept mostly in the dark by the Democrats
>>> about the contents of the health bill. Polling shows they have no idea
>>> what's going on.
>> If they don't know they have not been paying attention.
>> The entire contents of the bills are posted online in
>> several places. Don't blame the Democrats if you
>> pee-baggers prefer to remain ignorant.
>
> Senator Snowe, the Dems only real chance at a bipartisan bill in the
> Senate, said she couldn't vote for it because she couldn't answer
> basic questions for her constituents, like what the copay is and the
> deductible.
I wish I knew that also. Apparently, it's to be left
up to the insurance companies. Too bad you Pee-Baggers
worked so hard to stop single payer. If nationalized
health care works in so many other nations--and lowers
their health care costs--it stands to reason that it
would work here as well.
>
> You claim to be so smart, explain these things IN DETAIL below here.
whoa, sonny. I never claimed great intelligence. I do,
however, aver that any working class person of average
intelligence ought to be a Liberal Democrat.
>
>>>>> ----
>>>>> "[T]he Democrats intend to lead the most
>>>>> honest, most open and most ethical Congress
>>>>> in history." --Nancy Pelosi, D-Alternate Universe
>>>>> The country's in the very best of hands.
>>>> You are absolutely correct. So-called blue dog
>>>> Democrats have proven that Korporate bribery is a true
>>>> art form. But the Democratic Party is still getting
>>>> things done that will pay huge dividends to the middle
>>>> class of America
>>> You are a parrot, a true believer, and a fool.
>> I never claimed the Democrats are perfect--they too can
>> be bribed by Big Business. But compared to Republicans
>> they are downright angelic. You pee-baggers are the
>> fools for eating the bullshit the big-money masters of
>> the republican party are ladling into your soup.
>
> Your religious blind faith and devotion to Obama and the Democretins,
> despite the fact that EVERY program they have attempted so far has
> failed miserably (and this one looks doomed to the same fate), makes
> you quite the Kool Aid-drinking mouthpiece.
If your boyfriends in the Pee-Bagger Party got their
way, there'd be no minimum wage in America, there'd be
no food stamps for the very poor, SS would have been
privatized by Bush and would by now be totally
bankrupted by the corruption rampant in the stock market.
SS a failure? Medicare a failure? Food stamp program a
failure? CHIP healthcare for kids a failure?
Roosevelt's New Deal that pulled the nation out of a
REpublican-caused Depression a failure?
In this last Congress, Democrats accomplished the
following;
Senate Democrats have made significant strides in
passing important, common-sense legislation that
reflect the priorities of the American people. After
nearly a decade of Republican control, Democrats have
worked to restore fiscal responsibility in Washington
and pass key legislation on Iraq policy, homeland
security, troop readiness, veterans’ health care,
economic competitiveness, ethics reform, the minimum
wage, health care, education, energy independence, stem
cell research, and Gulf Coast revitalization. we passed:
* A fiscally responsible budget: a budget that restores
fiscal discipline and will lead to a surplus, while
cutting middle-class taxes and funding foreign
anddomestic priorities, including education, children’s
health care, veterans, and our troops;
* 9/11 Commission recommendations: a bill to make
America more secure by giving our first responders the
tools they need to keep us safe; making it more
difficult for potential terrorists to travel into our
country; advancing efforts to secure our rail, air, and
mass transit systems; and improving intelligence and
information sharing between state, local, and federal
law enforcement agencies;
* Homeland security funding: legislation that provides
$1.05 billion in funding necessary to address dangerous
border and transit vulnerabilities left open by the
Bush Administration since 9/11;
* Support for our troops: legislation funding the
President’s requests for Operation Iraqi Freedom and
Operation Enduring Freedom, including $1.2 billion in
additional funding for a total of $3 billion to provide
our troops in Iraq with mine-resistant,
ambush-protected vehicles;
* Health care for wounded soldiers and veterans:
legislation that provides $3 billion in supplemental
funds for military health care and $1.8 billion in
supplemental funds to the Department of Veterans’
Affairs to accommodate the increasing number of new
veterans returning home from Iraq and Afghanistan;
* Benchmarks for Iraq: legislation that conditions U.S.
economic support for the Iraqi government on its
progress toward achieving key political benchmarks;
* National Guard readiness: legislation to provide an
additional $1 billion to President Bush’s request for
National Guard equipment needs to remedy equipment
shortfalls that are compromising the quality of force
training and limiting the Guard’s ability to quickly
respond to natural and potential man-made disasters at
home;
* Energy Bill: landmark legislation to increase our
energy independence, strengthen the economy, reduce
global warming emissions, and protect American consumers.
* American competitiveness: bipartisan legislation to
increase the nation’s investment in basic and
innovative research; strengthen educational
opportunities in science, technology, engineering, and
mathematics from elementary through graduate school;
and develop the infrastructure needed to enhance
innovation and competitiveness in the United States;
* Ethics and lobbying reform: a bill to slow the
“revolving door” for former Senators and staff,
strengthen limits on gifts and travel, expand lobbying
disclosure requirements, establish a study commission
on ethics and lobbying, prohibit pensions for Members
of Congress convicted of certain crimes, and implement
reform procedures relating to earmarks and conference
reports;
* Minimum wage: legislation to increase the federal
minimum wage.
* Middle-class tax cuts: the 2008 Budget Resolution
provides for permanent extensions of the Marriage
Penalty tax relief, the $1,000 refundable Child Tax
Credit; the 10 percent income tax bracket; the adoption
tax credit; the dependent care tax credit; U.S.
soldiers’ combat pay for the earned income tax credit;
and reform of the estate tax to protect small
businesses and family farms;
* AMT patch: the 2008 Budget Resolution ensures that
the number of taxpayers subject to the alternative
minimum tax will not increase in 2007, giving Congress
and the Administration time to come up with a permanent
solution;
* Head Start: a bill to expand eligibility for the Head
Start program;
* Stem cell research: legislation to expand the number
of human embryonic stem cells eligible for
federally-funded research;
* Children’s health coverage: the 2008 Budget
Resolution and the 2007 Emergency Supplemental provide
needed funds for the Children’s Health Insurance Program;
* FDA reauthorization: a bill to greatly improve the
Food and Drug Administration’s oversight of drug
safety; (Note that there have been no outbreaks of
food-borne illness since the Democrats took control of
the House.
* Rebuilding the Gulf Coast: legislation providing a
total of $6.4 billion for victims of Hurricanes Katrina
and Rita, including $1.3 billion to complete levee and
drainage repairs, $50 million to reduce violent crime
in Gulf Coast states, and $110 million to repair the
seafood and fisheries industries, which is vital to the
region’s economic recovery;
* Army Corps reform: legislation to ensure that the
Army Corps of Engineers does its job more effectively
and soundly; (such as rebuilding the levees of LA)
* Disaster assistance for small businesses: legislation
providing recovery assistance for small businesses
impacted by the 2005 hurricanes in an effort to
revitalize the Gulf Coast economy;
* U.S. Attorney appointments: legislation ending the
indefinite appointment of interim U.S. Attorneys and
restoring the role of the Senate in the selection of
U.S. Attorneys;
* Tax relief for small businesses: legislation
providing a range of deficit-neutral tax incentives
designed to help small businesses grow;
* Education and training: the 2008 Budget Resolution
provides for the largest increase since 2002 in funding
for elementary and secondary programs; and
* Energy and environment programs: legislation
increasing funding for basic science research at the
Department of Energy and for energy efficiency and
renewable energy programs.
Jeffrey Turner
>
> I do, but I'm pretty busy during the day and at 1:30 in the morning. I
> have a job, I work when I'm there, and I sleep during normal hours,
> therefore I'm not a Democrat.
I didn't realize cleaning office buildings paid enough to be a
Republican.
--Jeff
--
Is man one of God's blunders or
is God one of man's?
--Friedrich Nietzsche