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nraclaptrap

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[begin excerpt]

The incident started Sunday afternoon when Dangerfield, who had a child
with Williams, went to an apartment to retrieve her belongings. Police
said she feared for her safety and got a friend, 62-year-old Cornelius
Tooson � who had a concealed-carry permit � to go with her to the 1718
Casey Drive apartment.

Tooson went upstairs first, at about 3:30 p.m., and Williams confronted
him with a gun.

Tooson and Williams left the building, Streicher said.

Tooson hopped in his car, locked the doors and turned to Dangerfield in
the passenger seat. �We have to leave,� he told her.

Tooson tried to call 911 as Williams walked around to the car�s passenger
side, ordering Dangerfield to open up.

When she refused, Williams shot her through the window, police said.

Tooson pulled out his own gun and fired. The shot missed and his gun
jammed. Williams ran.

A warrant was issued for Williams.

[end excerpt]

http://domesticviolencenews.blogspot.com/

Another innocent woman murdered because she trusted a gunloon who had a
pistol and a permit but no combat training.


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Jim Alder

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nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
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And what does YOUR combat training tell you to do when your gun jams and
the bad guy is running away?

Of course you don't mention that this BG had 48 arrests and 4 stays in the
hotel of many doors. You don't mention that he also managed to ambush two cops
who were searching an apartment for him and that he managed to put two bullets
in the back of one of their heads - or at least into the kevlar helmet that
saved his life. And then he killed himself. Certainly a 62 year old civilian
with a carry permit should have been able to handle the guy. If only he'd
brought the girl a Kevlar helmet she'd be here today.

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I said "Who in the hell did you think it was?"

nraclaptrap

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Dec 13, 2009, 8:23:17 AM12/13/09
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Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in
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It tells me to call the police first, before putting the woman in harm's
way under the pretence of being any kind of gunfighter.

The NRA should inform their membership and other idiots persuaded by
their propaganda that a concealed handgun doesn't create a magic shield
around the gunloons and whoever else they think they're protecting.
Innocent people are being killed simply because gunloons believe the gun
means instant victory.

> Of course you don't mention that this BG had 48 arrests and 4
> stays in the
> hotel of many doors. You don't mention that he also managed to ambush
> two cops who were searching an apartment for him and that he managed
> to put two bullets in the back of one of their heads - or at least
> into the kevlar helmet that saved his life.

And the reason those cops came under fire and one was nearly killed - and
by the way, the reason the woman Mr. Tooson was supposedly protecting was
murdered - was because Tooson had no idea how to use his gun to protect
anybody.

What percentage of CCW permitees are required by law to get combat
training at least once every year?

> And then he killed
> himself. Certainly a 62 year old civilian with a carry permit should
> have been able to handle the guy.

Maybe you could tell us, Alderloon, what percentage of violent crimes are
prevented by CCW permitees, and what percentage of violent crimes are
caused or made worse by CCW permitees?

Once again, you cover an untrained gunloon with a cloak of
invulnerability simply because he's secretly carrying a pistol. When do
you plan on telling the guy that the gun is practically useless if he
doesn't know how to fight with it?


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betweentheeyes

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Dec 13, 2009, 9:00:35 AM12/13/09
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"nraclaptrap" <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in
> news:Xns9CE020E2D633A...@216.196.97.142:
>
>> nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
>> news:Xns9CDFE2C1B19F9p...@216.196.97.131:
>>
>>> [begin excerpt]
>>>
>>> The incident started Sunday afternoon when Dangerfield, who had a
>>> child with Williams, went to an apartment to retrieve her belongings.
>>> Police said she feared for her safety and got a friend, 62-year-old
>>> Cornelius Tooson - who had a concealed-carry permit - to go with her

>>> to the 1718 Casey Drive apartment.
>>>
>>> Tooson went upstairs first, at about 3:30 p.m., and Williams
>>> confronted him with a gun.
>>>
>>> Tooson and Williams left the building, Streicher said.
>>>
>>> Tooson hopped in his car, locked the doors and turned to Dangerfield
>>> in the passenger seat. "We have to leave," he told her.
>>>
>>> Tooson tried to call 911 as Williams walked around to the car's
>>> passenger side, ordering Dangerfield to open up.
>>>
>>> When she refused, Williams shot her through the window, police said.
>>>
>>> Tooson pulled out his own gun and fired. The shot missed and his gun
>>> jammed. Williams ran.
>>>
>>> A warrant was issued for Williams.
>>>
>>> [end excerpt]
>>>
>>> http://domesticviolencenews.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>> Another innocent woman murdered because she trusted a gunloon who had
>>> a pistol and a permit but no combat training.
>>
>> And what does YOUR combat training tell you to do when your gun jams
>> and the bad guy is running away?
>
> It tells me to call the police first, before putting the woman in harm's
> way under the pretence of being any kind of gunfighter.
>
> The NRA should inform their membership and other idiots persuaded by
> their propaganda that a concealed handgun doesn't create a magic shield
<snip>

Only you put forth the 'magic shield' hypothetical, the NRA doesn't. Yet
another example of your inability to state fact.

> NRACLAPTRAP

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Dec 13, 2009, 9:37:41 AM12/13/09
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In talk.politics.guns nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>Another innocent woman murdered because she trusted a gunloon who had a
>pistol and a permit but no combat training.

Cite that he had no combat training.

nraclaptrap

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Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in
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>> Another innocent woman murdered because she trusted a gunloon who had a
>> pistol and a permit but no combat training.
>
> Cite that he had no combat training.

Read the article.


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nraclaptrap

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"betweentheeyes" <between...@defendingThe2nd.org> wrote in
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Then why doesn't the NRA demand that all CCW permitees be required to get
pistol combat training at least once a year in order to get and keep their
CCW permit?

The NRA doesn't give two shits whether you can actually fight with your
gun; just having the gun in your hand is self-defense enough. Just ask the
NRA's official apologist for CCW - John Lott. He says 98% of DGUs just
involve waving the gun around, no shots fired.

What guidelines does the NRA have for promoting combat skills with the
concealed handguns they've flooded our communities with? Bet it's close to
NONE.

BTW between-the-nuts, do you have a CCW and if so did you have to get
combat training for it?


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Klaus Schadenfreude

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Dec 13, 2009, 11:41:35 AM12/13/09
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In talk.politics.guns nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

tankfixer

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Dec 13, 2009, 12:26:17 PM12/13/09
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In article <Xns9CE067C9BFAE3p...@216.196.97.131>,
nracl...@invalid.invalid says...

I did.
There is no mention one way or the other.
In the face of the facts your adding the point is just a lie.

Jim Alder

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Dec 13, 2009, 12:34:49 PM12/13/09
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nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote:

Your 'combat training' tells you to call the police when a friend asks you
to help her pick up her stuff at her ex's apartment? What part of 'combat
training' does that fall under?

Or were you just full of crap with that whole 'combat training' thing?

So what did the girl tell this old guy before they went over there? Was
her ex supposed to be there? Was he in a pissed-off state? Or did he just go
along to help.

The BG drew a gun on him and he left to get her away, which is the smart
thing to do. If he was 'pretending' to be a 'gunfighter' he would have drawn
on him.



> The NRA should inform their membership and other idiots persuaded by
> their propaganda that a concealed handgun doesn't create a magic shield
> around the gunloons and whoever else they think they're protecting.

We already know it doesn't. It's 'gunloons' like you who get these moronic
ideas and palm them off on others.



> Innocent people are being killed simply because gunloons believe the gun
> means instant victory.

Oh, Lee, you are so full of shit it must come out your fucking ears!

>> Of course you don't mention that this BG had 48 arrests and 4
>> stays in the
>> hotel of many doors. You don't mention that he also managed to ambush
>> two cops who were searching an apartment for him and that he managed
>> to put two bullets in the back of one of their heads - or at least
>> into the kevlar helmet that saved his life.
>
> And the reason those cops came under fire and one was nearly killed - and
> by the way, the reason the woman Mr. Tooson was supposedly protecting was
> murdered - was because Tooson had no idea how to use his gun to protect
> anybody.

Again, you are beyond 'full of shit'!! You don't know what this guy knew
about the situation before he got there and you don't know what he did, except
miss a running target. You're a hatemongering idiot and nothing more. Ordinary
people would feel bad for the guy.



> What percentage of CCW permitees are required by law to get combat
> training at least once every year?

Again with the 'combat training' bullshit? Your idea of combat training is
apparently dialing 911 when a friend asks for help moving.



>> And then he killed
>> himself. Certainly a 62 year old civilian with a carry permit should
>> have been able to handle the guy.
>
> Maybe you could tell us, Alderloon,

Why don't you bite me, Harr-ASS-on?

> what percentage of violent crimes are
> prevented by CCW permitees, and what percentage of violent crimes are
> caused or made worse by CCW permitees?

No, I can't tell you and I don't much care. Have you quit driving because
of the many people who cause accidents?

Actually, a chickenshit like you probably has...



> Once again, you cover an untrained gunloon with a cloak of
> invulnerability simply because he's secretly carrying a pistol.

Once again, you're full of shit! I don't know anyone who feels that way,
let alone preaches it. Are you jealous of people who carry because you think
they aren't afraid of everything like you are?

> When do
> you plan on telling the guy that the gun is practically useless if he
> doesn't know how to fight with it?

The only thing in this conversation that is useless is you, Harr-ASS-on.

Jim Alder

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Dec 13, 2009, 12:44:03 PM12/13/09
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nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Because it's not their job. Why doesn't the AAA demand that every driver
get defensive driving training every year?



> The NRA doesn't give two shits whether you can actually fight with your
> gun; just having the gun in your hand is self-defense enough.

It usually is.

> Just ask the
> NRA's official apologist for CCW - John Lott. He says 98% of DGUs just
> involve waving the gun around, no shots fired.

Why do I need to ask him? I already know it and so do you. The only mystery
here is why you object to something that works better than 98% of the time.



> What guidelines does the NRA have for promoting combat skills with the
> concealed handguns they've flooded our communities with? Bet it's close to
> NONE.

"None" is the number of clues you have about this issue.

Billy Cox

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Dec 13, 2009, 1:04:03 PM12/13/09
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nraclaptrap wrote:

We did.


Why can't you, puddin?

Demon Buddha

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Dec 13, 2009, 1:47:06 PM12/13/09
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nraclaptrap wrote:

> What percentage of CCW permitees are required by law to get combat
> training at least once every year?

I don't think you would recognize "combat training" if it bit you in
the ass. But let you prove me wrong - dazzle us with your vast
knowledge. Let's see it.

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Lee only sees what he WANTS to see. And that's usually a family-sized
bag of corn chips and a restaurant-sized container of ice cream.

nraclaptrap

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Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in
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>> Then why doesn't the NRA demand that all CCW permitees be required to
>> get pistol combat training at least once a year in order to get and
>> keep their CCW permit?
>
> Because it's not their job.

Then why do you pay them, Alderfool?


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Klaus Schadenfreude

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Dec 13, 2009, 4:20:56 PM12/13/09
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In talk.politics.guns nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Why don't YOU pay them, if that's what you want them to do, Fatso?
Weren't you a "member?"

nraclaptrap

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Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in
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> Lee only sees what he WANTS to see.

Tell us how Tooson's behavior showed any kind of combat training, Slobbert.


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nraclaptrap

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Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in
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> Your 'combat training' tells you to call the police

Nah, that's what Tooson was doing when Williams shot the woman Tooson was
supposed to be protecting. She was sitting in Tooson's car in the
passenger seat. Williams shot her through the window. After the shot
Tooson pulled out his gun and got off a shot - he missed - and then his gun
jammed. The killer ran away and shot a police officer in his helmet before
comitting suicide.

I never had any combat training which is why I would call the police
instead of getting the woman killed. Got a problem with that, Alderloon?


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betweentheeyes

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"nraclaptrap" <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> "betweentheeyes" <between...@defendingThe2nd.org> wrote in
> news:hg2s2d$sqo$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>
>>>>> [begin excerpt]
>>>>>
<begin snip>
<end snip>
>>>> [end excerpt]
>>>>>
>>>>> http://domesticviolencenews.blogspot.com/

>>>>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> Only you put forth the 'magic shield' hypothetical, the NRA doesn't.
>
> Then why doesn't the NRA demand that all CCW permitees be required to get
> pistol combat training at least once a year in order to get and keep their
> CCW permit?

Because it is not necessary

> The NRA doesn't give two shits whether you can actually fight with your
> gun; just having the gun in your hand is self-defense enough.

Wow, you're begining to catch on.

>Just ask the
> NRA's official apologist for CCW - John Lott. He says 98% of DGUs just
> involve waving the gun around, no shots fired.

Wow, you're begining to catch on.

> What guidelines does the NRA have for promoting combat skills with the
> concealed handguns they've flooded our communities with? Bet it's close
> to
> NONE.

Why do you care?

>
> BTW between-the-nuts, do you have a CCW and if so did you have to get
> combat training for it?

Thanks for asking. God put me on this earth to live up to my expectations,
not yours.

> NRACLAPTRAP

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Dec 13, 2009, 5:36:22 PM12/13/09
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In talk.politics.guns nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

There are no women who would ever call you for help, Harrison- unless
they had a ten gallon drum of ice cream that was going to spoil.

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Dec 13, 2009, 5:38:29 PM12/13/09
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In talk.politics.guns nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Note how Lee goes smoothly from his claim that Tooson HAD NO COMBAT
TRAINING to asking- begging me- to prove that he did.

[chuckle]

Now we all know you're a lying lard-ass, Lee.

Oh wait, we ALREADY knew that.

_________
"Your inability to produce facts makes you look like a teenybopper."
-Lee Harrison

Jim Alder

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I DON'T pay them, Harricunt.

Jim Alder

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nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
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> Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote:
>
>> Your 'combat training' tells you to call the police
>
> Nah,

So you can't answer the question and were talking out your ass, as usual?

> that's what Tooson was doing when Williams shot the woman Tooson was
> supposed to be protecting. She was sitting in Tooson's car in the
> passenger seat. Williams shot her through the window. After the shot
> Tooson pulled out his gun and got off a shot - he missed - and then his gun
> jammed. The killer ran away and shot a police officer in his helmet before
> comitting suicide.

I read the article, numb nuts, even though you failed to cite one. I told
YOU what happened. You think repetition is a valid substitute for answering
the question?

> I never had any combat training...

No shit?

> which is why I would call the police
> instead of getting the woman killed. Got a problem with that, Alderloon?

Yes, Hairless One. Which I've stated clearly and you deleted so you could
ramble on about nothing and add 'loon' to may name yet again, as if it means
something. You're a judgemental Usenet punk, HarrASSon, giving 'advice' and
expressing your moronic opinion on things you don't know shit about.

Jim Alder

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Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in
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LOL! Good point.

nraclaptrap

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Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in
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>>>> Then why doesn't the NRA demand that all CCW permitees be required
to
>>>> get pistol combat training at least once a year in order to get and
>>>> keep their CCW permit?
>>>
>>> Because it's not their job.
>>
>> Then why do you pay them, Alderfool?
>
> I DON'T pay them, Harricunt.

You're not a member of any gun rights organization that takes your money,
bribes state and federal legislators to pass ever more liberal gun laws,
and mainly promotes a rightwing agenda that they never discuss with you,
the generous and clueless donor?

Are you sure, Alderloonytoonarian?


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nraclaptrap

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Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in
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> In talk.politics.guns nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>news:qniai5115o72sgdgi...@4ax.com:
>>
>>
>>> Lee only sees what he WANTS to see.
>>
>> Tell us how Tooson's behavior showed any kind of combat training,
>> Slobbert.
>
>Note how Lee goes smoothly from his claim that Tooson HAD NO COMBAT
>TRAINING to asking- begging me- to prove that he did.

Oh, you were never in the US Armed Forces? That's the only reason I
thought you might know something about combat training for civilian CCW
permitees.

We all know you've never been able to prove anything, Bobby. And because
you apparently have no experience with combat pistol training, I'll just
let you sink back into the TPG troll pool.

Next please.


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Jim Alder

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nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
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I do my part for the progun effort by kicking the ass of chickenshit
clueless gunphobes like you. It's light work and the hours are my own.

nraclaptrap

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Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in
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> nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
> news:Xns9CE0C03D9D6CEp...@216.196.97.131:
>
>> Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in
>> news:Xns9CE0B482BC56A...@216.196.97.142:
>>
>>
>>>>>> Then why doesn't the NRA demand that all CCW permitees be
>>>>>> required to get pistol combat training at least once a year in
>>>>>> order to get and keep their CCW permit?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because it's not their job.
>>>>
>>>> Then why do you pay them, Alderfool?
>>>
>>> I DON'T pay them, Harricunt.
>>
>> You're not a member of any gun rights organization that takes your
>> money, bribes state and federal legislators to pass ever more liberal
>> gun laws, and mainly promotes a rightwing agenda that they never
>> discuss with you, the generous and clueless donor?
>
> I do my part for the progun effort by kicking the ass of
> chickenshit
> clueless gunphobes like you.

So you can't handle the fact that I support tough gun control, which
means I'm afraid of guns?

And that to you is kicking ass...

Laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh.

> It's light work and the hours are my own.

Light work for a mental lightweight. Good for you, Alderloon.

Next please.


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tankfixer

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Dec 14, 2009, 1:28:22 AM12/14/09
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In article <Xns9CE09CFF6B1F6p...@216.196.97.131>,
nracl...@invalid.invalid says...

Show us where the article claims he had any.. liar

Jim Alder

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nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
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> Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in
> news:Xns9CE0CE9FFEBB8...@216.196.97.142:
>
>> nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
>> news:Xns9CE0C03D9D6CEp...@216.196.97.131:
>>
>>> Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in
>>> news:Xns9CE0B482BC56A...@216.196.97.142:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Then why doesn't the NRA demand that all CCW permitees be
>>>>>>> required to get pistol combat training at least once a year in
>>>>>>> order to get and keep their CCW permit?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because it's not their job.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then why do you pay them, Alderfool?
>>>>
>>>> I DON'T pay them, Harricunt.
>>>
>>> You're not a member of any gun rights organization that takes your
>>> money, bribes state and federal legislators to pass ever more liberal
>>> gun laws, and mainly promotes a rightwing agenda that they never
>>> discuss with you, the generous and clueless donor?
>>
>> I do my part for the progun effort by kicking the ass of chickenshit
>> clueless gunphobes like you.
>
> So you can't handle the fact that I support tough gun control, which
> means I'm afraid of guns?

Oh, I can handle that fact.



> And that to you is kicking ass...

No, showing that your ideas are moronic and you don't know what you're
talking about is kicking your ass.



> Laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh.

Yeah, Lee. That really makes your point.



>> It's light work and the hours are my own.
>
> Light work for a mental lightweight.

So it's even lighter work for me.

> Good for you, Alderloon.

And bad for you, Harrycunt.


> Next please.

Laff, laff, laff. Pathetic loser.

Klaus Schadenfreude

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In talk.politics.guns nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>news:c3rai51tup7c98ibd...@4ax.com:
>
>> In talk.politics.guns nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>news:qniai5115o72sgdgi...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Lee only sees what he WANTS to see.
>>>
>>> Tell us how Tooson's behavior showed any kind of combat training,
>>> Slobbert.
>>
>>Note how Lee goes smoothly from his claim that Tooson HAD NO COMBAT
>>TRAINING to asking- begging me- to prove that he did.
>
>Oh, you were never in the US Armed Forces?

This isn't about me, lard-ass. This is about you, lying. This is about
your claim that he had no combat training.

> That's the only reason I
>thought you might know something about combat training for civilian CCW
>permitees.

That has nothing to do with the FACT that you LIED. Quit trying to
change the subject.

>We all know you've never been able to prove anything, Bobby.

I've just proven you to be a liar, Harrison. For the umpteenth time.

>And because
>you apparently have no experience with combat pistol training, I'll just
>let you sink back into the TPG troll pool.

You know, there is nothing more entertaining than watching you-- a
fat, greasy liberal-- flop around like a landed tuna, trying to squirm
away from being caught in a lie.

FACTS, Harrison. Try dealing in facts instead of your made up
fantasies. Because when you try to claim your fantasies as fact,
someone is going to call you on it. And you know what they say about
people who can't produce the facts, don't you, Jabba?

nraclaptrap

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Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:b1cci5541qva3bfbb...@4ax.com:


>>>>>Lee only sees what he WANTS to see.
>>>>
>>>> Tell us how Tooson's behavior showed any kind of combat training,
>>>> Slobbert.
>>>
>>>Note how Lee goes smoothly from his claim that Tooson HAD NO COMBAT
>>>TRAINING to asking- begging me- to prove that he did.
>>
>> Oh, you were never in the US Armed Forces?
>
>This isn't about me, lard-ass. This is about you, lying. This is about
>your claim that he had no combat training.

Tooson behaved like the typical NRA-induced gunloon described by John Lott
- he thought just brandishing the gun would take care of the situation.
Williams was a criminal and he should have run away from a righteous NRA-
brainwashed gunloon with a gun.

Doesn't work that way, does it Bobby? And now an innocent woman's dead
because she also believed the NRA gun myth.

>> That's the only reason I thought you might know something about
>> combat training for civilian CCW permitees.
>
> That has nothing to do with the FACT that you LIED.

I didn't lie. You just can't handle the fact that the NRA lies to its
members and to the public at large when they say a concealed handgun makes
anybody safe. In fact, if you trust a gunloon to protect your life you
could easily wind up dead, along with the gunloon.

This woman would be alive today if she had simply called the police to
resolve this dangerous situation. Even though Williams shot at the police,
the policeman he hit in the head was wearing a helmet that stopped the
bullets.

Ms. Dangerfield was murdered sitting in a car that wasn't moving, and
Tooson's only shot was fired after Ms. Dangerfield was mortally wounded -
and he missed Williams - and then his gun jammed.

So that's typical NRA-approved combat training, according to Robert
Frenchu...

Point proven!


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Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in
news:Xns9CE11BA7A1283...@216.196.97.142:

> nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
> news:Xns9CE0E47C984CBp...@216.196.97.131:
>
>> Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in
>> news:Xns9CE0CE9FFEBB8...@216.196.97.142:
>>
>>> nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
>>> news:Xns9CE0C03D9D6CEp...@216.196.97.131:
>>>
>>>> Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in
>>>> news:Xns9CE0B482BC56A...@216.196.97.142:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then why doesn't the NRA demand that all CCW permitees be
>>>>>>>> required to get pistol combat training at least once a year in
>>>>>>>> order to get and keep their CCW permit?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because it's not their job.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then why do you pay them, Alderfool?
>>>>>
>>>>> I DON'T pay them, Harricunt.
>>>>
>>>> You're not a member of any gun rights organization that takes your
>>>> money, bribes state and federal legislators to pass ever more
>>>> liberal gun laws, and mainly promotes a rightwing agenda that they
>>>> never discuss with you, the generous and clueless donor?
>>>
>>> I do my part for the progun effort by kicking the ass of chickenshit
>>> clueless gunphobes like you.
>>
>> So you can't handle the fact that I support tough gun control, which
>> means I'm afraid of guns?
>
> Oh, I can handle that fact.

No you can't.



>> And that to you is kicking ass...
>
> No, showing that your ideas are moronic and you don't know what
> you're
> talking about is kicking your ass.

So you don't believe there should be any gun regulations at all? You
oppose Scalia's opinion in DC v Heller?

Why in the world would you sacrifice your fake right under an
intentionally misconstrued Second Amendment simply because you couldn't
think of anything else to say?


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Klaus Schadenfreude

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Dec 14, 2009, 10:25:34 AM12/14/09
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In talk.politics.guns nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>>> So you can't handle the fact that I support tough gun control, which
>>> means I'm afraid of guns?
>>
>> Oh, I can handle that fact.
>
>No you can't.

[chuckle] I believe we *all* can.

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Dec 14, 2009, 10:27:49 AM12/14/09
to
In talk.politics.guns nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>news:b1cci5541qva3bfbb...@4ax.com:
>
>
>>>>>>Lee only sees what he WANTS to see.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tell us how Tooson's behavior showed any kind of combat training,
>>>>> Slobbert.
>>>>
>>>>Note how Lee goes smoothly from his claim that Tooson HAD NO COMBAT
>>>>TRAINING to asking- begging me- to prove that he did.
>>>
>>> Oh, you were never in the US Armed Forces?
>>
>>This isn't about me, lard-ass. This is about you, lying. This is about
>>your claim that he had no combat training.
>
>Tooson behaved like

You claimed he had no combat training. Where are your facts,
Jabba-loon?


>> That has nothing to do with the FACT that you LIED.
>
>I didn't lie.

You lied. You claimed he "had no combat training." Yet you've failed
time and again to come up with a single fact to support your claim.

What do we think of people who can't come up with facts?

nraclaptrap

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Dec 14, 2009, 11:22:43 AM12/14/09
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Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:n7mci5hh8b8bt9i81...@4ax.com:

> In talk.politics.guns nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>news:b1cci5541qva3bfbb...@4ax.com:
>>
>>
>>>>>>>Lee only sees what he WANTS to see.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tell us how Tooson's behavior showed any kind of combat training,
>>>>>> Slobbert.
>>>>>
>>>>>Note how Lee goes smoothly from his claim that Tooson HAD NO COMBAT
>>>>>TRAINING to asking- begging me- to prove that he did.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, you were never in the US Armed Forces?
>>>
>>>This isn't about me, lard-ass. This is about you, lying. This is about
>>>your claim that he had no combat training.
>>

>> Tooson behaved like the typical NRA-induced gunloon described by John
>> Lott - he thought just brandishing the gun would take care of the
>> situation. Williams was a criminal and he should have run away from a
>> righteous NRA- brainwashed gunloon with a gun.
>>
>> Doesn't work that way, does it Bobby? And now an innocent woman's
>> dead because she also believed the NRA gun myth.
>>

> You claimed he had no combat training. Where are your facts,

You don't know anything about pistol combat training, so you're not even
qualified to ask the question.



>>> That has nothing to do with the FACT that you LIED.
>>

>> I didn't lie. You just can't handle the fact that the NRA lies to
>> its members and to the public at large when they say a concealed
>> handgun makes anybody safe. In fact, if you trust a gunloon to
>> protect your life you could easily wind up dead, along with the
>> gunloon.
>

> You lied. You claimed he "had no combat training." Yet you've failed
> time and again to come up with a single fact to support your claim.

Where is his combat training? Show us, Blubberboy.

> What do we think of people who can't come up with facts?

I think you're mentally incapable of construing ability from behavior;
unless you believe Tooson risked his life to help this woman, intending
that Williams should murder her.

Well Robert? Did Tooson mean to get her killed, or did he just not know
what he was doing?

If you can't answer the question, begin your deletion by detaching the
remainder of this post beneath the serrated line:

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Dec 14, 2009, 11:25:28 AM12/14/09
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Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:g6mci55magij60e5c...@4ax.com:


>>>> So you can't handle the fact that I support tough gun control, which
>>>> means I'm afraid of guns?
>>>
>>> Oh, I can handle that fact.
>>
>>No you can't.
>
> [chuckle] I believe we *all* can.

If you could handle the facts you would have already posted them,
slick...

*snicker*

Next please.


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Jim Alder

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Dec 14, 2009, 1:14:13 PM12/14/09
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nraclaptrap <invalid> wrote:

> Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote:
>> nraclaptrap <invalid> wrote:
>>> Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote:

>>>> nraclaptrap <invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then why doesn't the NRA demand that all CCW permitees be
>>>>>>>>> required to get pistol combat training at least once a year in
>>>>>>>>> order to get and keep their CCW permit?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because it's not their job.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then why do you pay them, Alderfool?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I DON'T pay them, Harricunt.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're not a member of any gun rights organization that takes your
>>>>> money, bribes state and federal legislators to pass ever more
>>>>> liberal gun laws, and mainly promotes a rightwing agenda that they
>>>>> never discuss with you, the generous and clueless donor?
>>>>
>>>> I do my part for the progun effort by kicking the ass of chickenshit
>>>> clueless gunphobes like you.
>>>
>>> So you can't handle the fact that I support tough gun control, which
>>> means I'm afraid of guns?
>>
>> Oh, I can handle that fact.
>
> No you can't.

LOL! What a dumbass!



>>> And that to you is kicking ass...
>>
>> No, showing that your ideas are moronic and you don't know what you're
>> talking about is kicking your ass.
>
> So you don't believe there should be any gun regulations at all?

No, I believe your ideas are moronic and you don't know what you're
talking about, as I just said.

> You oppose Scalia's opinion in DC v Heller?

Oh, is it time to change the subject again already, Lee?

> Why in the world would you sacrifice your fake right under an
> intentionally misconstrued Second Amendment simply because you couldn't
> think of anything else to say?

Why in the world would you say that in a discussion of combat training for
CCD holders?

Jim Alder

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Dec 14, 2009, 1:15:15 PM12/14/09
to

> In talk.politics.guns nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

How can you say that when he had such an insightful comeback?

Jim Alder

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Dec 14, 2009, 1:18:24 PM12/14/09
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nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
news:Xns9CE16A0427A00p...@216.196.97.131:

> Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:g6mci55magij60e5c...@4ax.com:
>
>
>>>>> So you can't handle the fact that I support tough gun control, which
>>>>> means I'm afraid of guns?
>>>>
>>>> Oh, I can handle that fact.
>>>
>>>No you can't.
>>
>> [chuckle] I believe we *all* can.
>
> If you could handle the facts you would have already posted them,
> slick..

You already posted the facts in question, numb nuts; you support tough gun
control, which means you're afraid of guns. Sheesh, does every sentence have
to be explained to you over and over, dumbass?

Jim Alder

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Dec 14, 2009, 1:20:28 PM12/14/09
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Demon Buddha <Nob...@no.where> wrote in
news:BsqdnRzZWK0yq7jW...@giganews.com:

> nraclaptrap wrote:
>
>> What percentage of CCW permitees are required by law to get combat
>> training at least once every year?
>
> I don't think you would recognize "combat training" if it bit you in
> the ass. But let you prove me wrong - dazzle us with your vast
> knowledge. Let's see it.

You missed it. He already did. If a friend asks him to help her move, he'll
call 911 for an escort.

Billy Cox

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Dec 14, 2009, 2:23:09 PM12/14/09
to
nraclaptrap wrote:

> Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in

> news:n7mci5hh8b8bt9i81...@4ax.com:

>>You claimed he had no combat training. Where are your facts,
>
>
> You don't know anything about pistol combat training, so you're not even
> qualified to ask the question.


How often do you lie on a daily basis, Lord of the Lard that is Lee?

nraclaptrap

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Dec 14, 2009, 2:35:13 PM12/14/09
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Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in
news:Xns9CE186A7A494D...@216.196.97.142:

> nraclaptrap <invalid> wrote:
>
>> Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote:
>>> nraclaptrap <invalid> wrote:
>>>> Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote:
>>>>> nraclaptrap <invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Then why doesn't the NRA demand that all CCW permitees be
>>>>>>>>>> required to get pistol combat training at least once a year
>>>>>>>>>> in order to get and keep their CCW permit?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because it's not their job.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then why do you pay them, Alderfool?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I DON'T pay them, Harricunt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're not a member of any gun rights organization that takes
>>>>>> your money, bribes state and federal legislators to pass ever
>>>>>> more liberal gun laws, and mainly promotes a rightwing agenda
>>>>>> that they never discuss with you, the generous and clueless
>>>>>> donor?
>>>>>
>>>>> I do my part for the progun effort by kicking the ass of
>>>>> chickenshit clueless gunphobes like you.
>>>>
>>>> So you can't handle the fact that I support tough gun control,
>>>> which means I'm afraid of guns?
>>>
>>> Oh, I can handle that fact.
>>
>> No you can't.
>
> LOL! What a dumbass!

Point proven!



>>>> And that to you is kicking ass...
>>>
>>> No, showing that your ideas are moronic and you don't know what
>>> you're
>>> talking about is kicking your ass.
>>
>> So you don't believe there should be any gun regulations at all?
>
> No

Then tell us which gun regulations you accept and which you don't.


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Dec 14, 2009, 2:37:47 PM12/14/09
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Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in
news:Xns9CE1875D2C7F9...@216.196.97.142:

> nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
> news:Xns9CE16A0427A00p...@216.196.97.131:
>
>> Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> news:g6mci55magij60e5c...@4ax.com:
>>
>>
>>>>>> So you can't handle the fact that I support tough gun control,
>>>>>> which means I'm afraid of guns?
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, I can handle that fact.
>>>>
>>>>No you can't.
>>>
>>> [chuckle] I believe we *all* can.
>>
>> If you could handle the facts you would have already posted them,
>> slick..
>
> You already posted the facts in question, numb nuts; you support tough
> gun control, which means you're afraid of guns.

So anybody who supports tough gun control must be afraid of guns,
according to you, The Alderloon?

Yes or no?


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nraclaptrap

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Dec 14, 2009, 2:59:35 PM12/14/09
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Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in
news:Xns9CE187B6EEAD7...@216.196.97.142:


> You missed it. He already did. If a friend asks him to help her move,
> he'll call 911 for an escort.

Well, if her boyfriend has a gun and he's trying to kill her, I'd get my
shotgun now loaded with 000 buckshot, and get her in the house and call the
cops. If the would-be murderer set foot in my house with a gun in his
hand, and refused to leave and threatened me or the woman, I'd just kill
him from a fairly protected position. When the cops came I'd show them the
woman and just tell them what happened.

You didn't read that article, did you Alduhhhhloon?

Next.


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Jim Alder

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Dec 14, 2009, 4:21:03 PM12/14/09
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nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
news:Xns9CE18A9F3435Ep...@216.196.97.131:

No, dumb ass. We're talking about you.

Jim Alder

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Dec 14, 2009, 4:26:02 PM12/14/09
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nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
news:Xns9CE18A2FF8574p...@216.196.97.131:

Being called a dumb ass proves your point? You must win a shitload of
arguments that way, dumb ass!



>>>>> And that to you is kicking ass...
>>>>
>>>> No, showing that your ideas are moronic and you don't know what
>>>> you're talking about is kicking your ass.
>>>
>>> So you don't believe there should be any gun regulations at all?
>>
>> No
>
> Then tell us which gun regulations you accept and which you don't.

And what possible good will my passing along that information do for me? I
know YOU will get shits and giggles getting someone to waste their time, but
I'm not going to humoring you.

Jim Alder

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Dec 14, 2009, 4:46:26 PM12/14/09
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nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote:
>
>> You missed it. He already did. If a friend asks him to help her move,
>> he'll call 911 for an escort.
>
> Well, if her boyfriend has a gun

Which you wouldn't necessarily know, and since he is an ex-con, such
possession would be illegal.

> and he's trying to kill her,

Which you wouldn't necessarily know. The article doesn't say she knew that
or that she told him that.

> I'd get my shotgun now loaded with 000 buckshot, and get her in
> the house and call the cops.

He went in the apartment first and found the ex there who pointed a gun at
him, so he retreated. You're saying you would take her back in the house where
the ex was waiting with a gun?

> If the would-be murderer set foot in my house with a gun in his
> hand, and refused to leave and threatened me or the woman, I'd just kill
> him from a fairly protected position.

I figure it's more likely that you would add "loon" to his name and try to
annoy him, then try to change the subject.

> When the cops came I'd show them the
> woman and just tell them what happened.
>
> You didn't read that article, did you Alduhhhhloon?

You mean the article that you DIDN'T cite and I quoted to you, giving you
details about the ex that you chose not to supply?
>
> Next.

You can go now, douchebag.

nraclaptrap

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Dec 14, 2009, 5:39:47 PM12/14/09
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Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in
news:Xns9CE1A654CFB08...@216.196.97.142:

> nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
> news:Xns9CE18A9F3435Ep...@216.196.97.131:
>
>> Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in
>> news:Xns9CE1875D2C7F9...@216.196.97.142:
>>
>>> nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
>>> news:Xns9CE16A0427A00p...@216.196.97.131:
>>>
>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>> news:g6mci55magij60e5c...@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> So you can't handle the fact that I support tough gun control,
>>>>>>>> which means I'm afraid of guns?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, I can handle that fact.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No you can't.
>>>>>
>>>>> [chuckle] I believe we *all* can.
>>>>
>>>> If you could handle the facts you would have already posted them,
>>>> slick..
>>>
>>> You already posted the facts in question, numb nuts; you support
tough
>>> gun control, which means you're afraid of guns.
>>
>> So anybody who supports tough gun control must be afraid of guns,
>> according to you, The Alderloon?
>>
>> Yes or no?
>
> No

Thank you, Alderloonarian.


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nraclaptrap

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Dec 14, 2009, 5:45:05 PM12/14/09
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Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in
news:Xns9CE1AAA24EA81...@216.196.97.142:


> He went in the apartment first and found the ex there who pointed a
> gun at him, so he retreated.

"Tooson and Williams left the building, Streicher said."

Where do you find the word "retreat" in that sentence, Alterloon?

Point proven!


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Jim Alder

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Dec 14, 2009, 6:21:29 PM12/14/09
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nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
news:Xns9CE1A97A7F589p...@216.196.97.131:

> No, dumb ass. We're talking about you.
>

> Thank you, Alderloonarian.

You're supposed to say "Thank you, can I have another?" when you're a
masocbist perv, Lee.

Jim Alder

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Dec 14, 2009, 6:40:59 PM12/14/09
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nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
news:Xns9CE1AA6077C9Cp...@216.196.97.131:

So, when you aren't winning arguments by being called a dumb ass, you're
winning them by deleting 99% of the previous post, then asking a stupid
question?

nraclaptrap

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Dec 14, 2009, 7:08:46 PM12/14/09
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Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in
news:Xns9CE1BABFE35E9...@216.196.97.142:

>> Thank you, Alderloonarian.
>
> You're supposed to say "Thank you, can I have another?" when
> you're a
> masocbist perv, Lee.

Then you should have written "masochist", whipping loon...

Laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh.


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Klaus Schadenfreude

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Dec 14, 2009, 7:51:47 PM12/14/09
to
In talk.politics.guns nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>news:g6mci55magij60e5c...@4ax.com:
>
>
>>>>> So you can't handle the fact that I support tough gun control, which
>>>>> means I'm afraid of guns?
>>>>
>>>> Oh, I can handle that fact.
>>>
>>>No you can't.
>>
>> [chuckle] I believe we *all* can.
>
>If you could handle the facts you would have already posted them,
>slick...

Poor Lee, try reading what you wrote, then sit back and have a chuckle
at your own expense.

[chuckle]

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Dec 14, 2009, 7:58:24 PM12/14/09
to
In talk.politics.guns nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>news:n7mci5hh8b8bt9i81...@4ax.com:
>
>> In talk.politics.guns nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>news:b1cci5541qva3bfbb...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>Lee only sees what he WANTS to see.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tell us how Tooson's behavior showed any kind of combat training,
>>>>>>> Slobbert.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Note how Lee goes smoothly from his claim that Tooson HAD NO COMBAT
>>>>>>TRAINING to asking- begging me- to prove that he did.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, you were never in the US Armed Forces?
>>>>
>>>>This isn't about me, lard-ass. This is about you, lying. This is about
>>>>your claim that he had no combat training.
>>>
>>> Tooson behaved like the typical NRA-induced gunloon described by John
>>> Lott - he thought just brandishing the gun would take care of the
>>> situation. Williams was a criminal and he should have run away from a
>>> righteous NRA- brainwashed gunloon with a gun.
>>>
>>> Doesn't work that way, does it Bobby? And now an innocent woman's
>>> dead because she also believed the NRA gun myth.
>>>
>> You claimed he had no combat training. Where are your facts,
>
>You don't know anything about pistol combat training, so you're not even
>qualified to ask the question.

[chuckle]

I don't have to know ANYTHING about ANY kind of training to ask the
question. But that's the difference. I ask the question, you just lie
about it.

>
>>>> That has nothing to do with the FACT that you LIED.
>>>
>>> I didn't lie. You just can't handle the fact that the NRA lies to
>>> its members and to the public at large when they say a concealed
>>> handgun makes anybody safe. In fact, if you trust a gunloon to
>>> protect your life you could easily wind up dead, along with the
>>> gunloon.
>>
>> You lied. You claimed he "had no combat training." Yet you've failed
>> time and again to come up with a single fact to support your claim.
>
>Where is his combat training? Show us, Blubberboy.

No, Lee. You claimed he had NO combat training. Show your proof, or be
forever branded a fat, blubbery liar.

OK, a BIGGER fat, blubbery liar than you've already been branded.

>> What do we think of people who can't come up with facts?
>
>I think you're mentally incapable of construing ability from behavior;
>unless you believe Tooson risked his life to help this woman, intending
>that Williams should murder her.

I think you're mentally unable to grasp the fact that you made a
statement based on wishful thinking instead of fact. Asked to back up
your statement with fact, you cower in fear.

Did you know that when you cower, the whole damn building shakes?

We all know what lacking the facts means. Don't we, Jabba?

"Your inability to produce facts makes you look like a teenybopper."
-Lee Harrison

Now, tell you what I'm gonna do, fatso. I'm gonna give you the chance
to recant your statement. Take it back, admit you "misspoke" when you
stated unequivocally and for the record,

"Another innocent woman murdered because she trusted a
gunloon who had a pistol and a permit but no combat
training." - Lee Harrison

Admit it for all of usenet to see, and perhaps you'll gain an iota of
respect. Until then, you're just another fat, drunk teenybopper.

Jim Alder

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nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
news:Xns9CE1B8910C90Ep...@216.196.97.131:

And, with a typo flame, your self-degradation is complete.

nraclaptrap

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Dec 14, 2009, 10:57:17 PM12/14/09
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Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in
news:Xns9CE1D129175B3...@216.196.97.142:

I thought "masocbist perv" was Russian, Alderloon...

Your native language?


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Jim Alder

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Dec 15, 2009, 12:26:52 AM12/15/09
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nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
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>>>>>>> So anybody who supports tough gun control must be afraid of guns,
>>>>>>> according to you, The Alderloon?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes or no?
>>>>>>
>>>>> No
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you, Alderloonarian.
>>>>
>>>> You're supposed to say "Thank you, can I have another?" when
>>>> you're a
>>>> masocbist perv, Lee.
>>>
>>> Then you should have written "masochist", whipping loon...
>>
>> And, with a typo flame
>
> I thought

First time for everything.

tankfixer

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Dec 15, 2009, 12:48:37 AM12/15/09
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In article <Xns9CE1698CCA415p...@216.196.97.131>,
nracl...@invalid.invalid says...

> Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:n7mci5hh8b8bt9i81...@4ax.com:
>
> > [quoted text muted]

> >> Doesn't work that way, does it Bobby? And now an innocent woman's
> >> dead because she also believed the NRA gun myth.
> >>
> > You claimed he had no combat training. Where are your facts,
>
> You don't know anything about pistol combat training, so you're not even
> qualified to ask the question.
>

So why don't you be the big man and educate him ?
That is if you know..
Which you don't.
Once more proving that you lie.

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Dec 15, 2009, 7:31:42 AM12/15/09
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Now he's claiming *I* don't know anything about combat training. The
boy just never learns...

Bama Brian

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Dec 15, 2009, 9:14:59 AM12/15/09
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nraclaptrap wrote:
> Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:b1cci5541qva3bfbb...@4ax.com:
>
>
>>>>>> Lee only sees what he WANTS to see.
>>>>> Tell us how Tooson's behavior showed any kind of combat training,
>>>>> Slobbert.
>>>> Note how Lee goes smoothly from his claim that Tooson HAD NO COMBAT
>>>> TRAINING to asking- begging me- to prove that he did.
>>> Oh, you were never in the US Armed Forces?
>> This isn't about me, lard-ass. This is about you, lying. This is about
>> your claim that he had no combat training.
>
> Tooson behaved like the typical NRA-induced gunloon described by John Lott
> - he thought just brandishing the gun would take care of the situation.
> Williams was a criminal and he should have run away from a righteous NRA-
> brainwashed gunloon with a gun.
>
> Doesn't work that way, does it Bobby? And now an innocent woman's dead
> because she also believed the NRA gun myth.
>
>>> That's the only reason I thought you might know something about
>>> combat training for civilian CCW permitees.
>> That has nothing to do with the FACT that you LIED.
>
> I didn't lie. You just can't handle the fact that the NRA lies to its
> members and to the public at large when they say a concealed handgun makes
> anybody safe. In fact, if you trust a gunloon to protect your life you
> could easily wind up dead, along with the gunloon.
>
> This woman would be alive today if she had simply called the police to
> resolve this dangerous situation. Even though Williams shot at the police,
> the policeman he hit in the head was wearing a helmet that stopped the
> bullets.

You sure do see them *strange* alternate realities in yer pointy head,
Mentallo the Midget. So the lady should have had the cops along from
the start, should she? Even if she had called the cops from the start
to help her get her stuff, they would NOT have showed up - they don't do
that 'Serve and Protect' stuff.

> Ms. Dangerfield was murdered sitting in a car that wasn't moving, and
> Tooson's only shot was fired after Ms. Dangerfield was mortally wounded -
> and he missed Williams - and then his gun jammed.
>
> So that's typical NRA-approved combat training, according to Robert
> Frenchu...
>
> Point proven!

Only the one above your eyebrows...

Jeers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
George Santayana, 1863 - 1952

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Dec 15, 2009, 9:30:20 AM12/15/09
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You'd think with all the dancing Lee does, he'd be a LOT skinnier.....
____________

Lee Harrison, in an unguarded moment:
http://tinyurl.com/7958w

5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09

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Dec 15, 2009, 9:44:10 AM12/15/09
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Don't you cowardly little gun cunts have anything better to do rather
than show up in political groups and stalk people?

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Dec 15, 2009, 10:07:50 AM12/15/09
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In talk.politics.guns "5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09" <de...@dead.com>
wrote:

>Don't you cowardly little gun cunts have anything better to do rather
>than show up in political groups and stalk people?

WTF are you babbling about, stoner?

Now that you're here, maybe you can help your fat little friend Lee.
Find some facts for him to back up his statement,

"Another innocent woman murdered because she trusted a
gunloon who had a pistol and a permit but no combat
training." - Lee Harrison

Think you can stop looking at your hand and going, "Wow, man..." long
enough to do that?

[chuckle]

nraclaptrap

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Dec 15, 2009, 10:19:36 AM12/15/09
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Bama Brian <claypo...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:hg85kk$h5v$1...@news.eternal-september.org:

[begin excerpt]

Fictional character biography

Marvin Flumm was born in Watford City, North Dakota. He once worked as a
shoe salesman. As a mutant telepath of moderate ability, Mentallo was
recruited by the original S.H.I.E.L.D. as a candidate for their ESP
Division. However, he teamed with the Fixer in an attempt to take over
S.H.I.E.L.D., and clashed with Nick Fury for the first time.[1] He then
served as a division leader in the HYDRA fragment led by Silvermane.[2]
Mentallo teamed with the Fixer again, and they placed Deathlok under
their control. They attempted to make the U.S. President their slave, but
were thwarted by the Fantastic Four.[3] Mentallo and the Fixer were
employed by HYDRA again, but Mentallo was rendered comatose by the
Micronauts.[4] In the custody of Professor Power, Mentallo battled
Professor X on a psychic plane.[5] Mentallo was captured by the Super-
Adaptoid, who was impersonating the Fixer, but he was rescued by the
Avengers.[6]

From Wikipedia

[end excerpt]

So we know what Mr. Playfool's reading these days.

Anybody read the Second Amendment lately?

A WELL-REGULATED MILITIA BEING NECESSARY TO THE SECURITY OF A FREE STATE
is the premise of that amendment. See if you can get through the premise
before intentionally misconstruing the rest of the amendment.

Point proven.

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nraclaptrap

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Dec 15, 2009, 10:22:26 AM12/15/09
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Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:ka7fi5hupb6aschre...@4ax.com:

I am a lot skinnier thanks to all the bike riding I do, especially in the
winter.

Thanks for spending all your time on TPG thinking about me, Bobby...

Not that there's anything wrong with that.


--


NRACLAPTRAP

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Dec 15, 2009, 10:23:29 AM12/15/09
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In talk.politics.guns nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

[snip irrelevant excerpt and side-stepping diversion]

>So we know what Mr. Playfool's reading these days.
>
>Anybody read the Second Amendment lately?

Anyone read Lee's lies lately? He claims:

"Another innocent woman murdered because she trusted a
gunloon who had a pistol and a permit but no combat
training." - Lee Harrison

But he can't quite seem to locate any proof that the guy had no combat
training.

None at all.

Lee's got no facts. And we all know what that makes him......

_________

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Dec 15, 2009, 10:24:32 AM12/15/09
to

We already know you're a liar, Lee. Observe:

"Another innocent woman murdered because she trusted a
gunloon who had a pistol and a permit but no combat
training." - Lee Harrison

Where are the facts, fatso?

5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09

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Dec 15, 2009, 10:35:12 AM12/15/09
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Run along, little gun cunt. These are groups for politics. We don't
need Yosemite Sam's retarded kid brother here.

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Dec 15, 2009, 10:39:28 AM12/15/09
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In talk.politics.guns "5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09" <de...@dead.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:07:50 -0800, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>
>> In talk.politics.guns "5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09" <de...@dead.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Don't you cowardly little gun cunts have anything better to do rather
>>>than show up in political groups and stalk people?
>>
>> WTF are you babbling about, stoner?
>>
>> Now that you're here, maybe you can help your fat little friend Lee.
>> Find some facts for him to back up his statement,
>>
>> "Another innocent woman murdered because she trusted a
>> gunloon who had a pistol and a permit but no combat
>> training." - Lee Harrison
>>
>> Think you can stop looking at your hand and going, "Wow, man..." long
>> enough to do that?
>>
>> [chuckle]
>
>Run along, little gun cunt.

Yeah, didn't think so. When the chips are down, you desert your needy
friends.

Poor Lee, left alone with his lies and a ten gallon container of
H�agen-Dazs...

5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09

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Dec 15, 2009, 11:00:07 AM12/15/09
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On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:39:28 -0800, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:

> In talk.politics.guns "5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09" <de...@dead.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:07:50 -0800, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>
>>> In talk.politics.guns "5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09" <de...@dead.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Don't you cowardly little gun cunts have anything better to do rather
>>>>than show up in political groups and stalk people?
>>>
>>> WTF are you babbling about, stoner?
>>>
>>> Now that you're here, maybe you can help your fat little friend Lee.
>>> Find some facts for him to back up his statement,
>>>
>>> "Another innocent woman murdered because she trusted a
>>> gunloon who had a pistol and a permit but no combat
>>> training." - Lee Harrison
>>>
>>> Think you can stop looking at your hand and going, "Wow, man..." long
>>> enough to do that?
>>>
>>> [chuckle]
>>
>>Run along, little gun cunt.
>
> Yeah, didn't think so. When the chips are down, you desert your needy
> friends.

Let's get back to my original question, cupcakes, because I don't care
about your little slap-and-tickle: Don't you cowardly little gun cunts

have anything better to do rather than show up in political groups and
stalk people?
>

> Poor Lee, left alone with his lies and a ten gallon container of

> Häagen-Dazs...

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Dec 15, 2009, 8:27:26 PM12/15/09
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In talk.politics.guns "5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09" <de...@dead.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:39:28 -0800, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>
>> In talk.politics.guns "5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09" <de...@dead.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:07:50 -0800, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>>>
>>>> In talk.politics.guns "5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09" <de...@dead.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Don't you cowardly little gun cunts have anything better to do rather
>>>>>than show up in political groups and stalk people?
>>>>
>>>> WTF are you babbling about, stoner?
>>>>
>>>> Now that you're here, maybe you can help your fat little friend Lee.
>>>> Find some facts for him to back up his statement,
>>>>
>>>> "Another innocent woman murdered because she trusted a
>>>> gunloon who had a pistol and a permit but no combat
>>>> training." - Lee Harrison
>>>>
>>>> Think you can stop looking at your hand and going, "Wow, man..." long
>>>> enough to do that?
>>>>
>>>> [chuckle]
>>>
>>>Run along, little gun cunt.
>>
>> Yeah, didn't think so. When the chips are down, you desert your needy
>> friends.
>
>Let's get back to my original question, cupcakes

No, stoner, I don't think we will. We're going to finish up Lee's lie
first of all. He needs your help. Help him. Now.

tankfixer

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Dec 15, 2009, 10:28:41 PM12/15/09
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In article <1c0fi5hmbgmmb3ctq...@4ax.com>,
klausscha...@yahoo.com says...

Is he capable of learning ?

tankfixer

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Dec 15, 2009, 10:30:16 PM12/15/09
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In article <O7GdnRm3GMInPbrW...@posted.carinet>,
de...@dead.com says...

> Don't you cowardly little gun cunts have anything better to do rather
> than show up in political groups and stalk people?


You should stop doing that.....

tankfixer

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Dec 15, 2009, 10:31:49 PM12/15/09
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In article <O7GdnRS3GMItMbrW...@posted.carinet>,
de...@dead.com says...

> Yosemite Sam's retarded kid brother

I'm sure you started using that after the other kids on the playground
kept calling you that,,


tankfixer

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Dec 15, 2009, 10:33:31 PM12/15/09
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In article <Xns9CE25F537A0F7p...@216.196.97.131>,
nracl...@invalid.invalid says...

SO when do you get your driver license back Lee ?

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Dec 16, 2009, 6:40:21 AM12/16/09
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I think Lee has bad days and worse days.

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Dec 16, 2009, 6:41:06 AM12/16/09
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In talk.politics.guns tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah, that doesn't sound like something Zepp could come up with
without help, does it?

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Dec 16, 2009, 6:41:49 AM12/16/09
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In talk.politics.guns tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

I guess answering a post in usenet is now "stalking." Kewl.

Bama Brian

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Dec 16, 2009, 10:22:34 AM12/16/09
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Don't you cowardly little anti-gun cunts have anything better to do
rather than post drivel in political groups which could get naive
readers killed?

--
Cheers,

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Dec 16, 2009, 10:27:50 AM12/16/09
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I *do* think it's cute how Zepp rushes in the help support Lee.

I just he's lifting with his legs and not his back.

Bama Brian

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Dec 16, 2009, 10:36:17 AM12/16/09
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Nope, you don't. But you sure see them alternate realities in yer tiny
pointed head.

>
> Anybody read the Second Amendment lately?
>
> A WELL-REGULATED MILITIA BEING NECESSARY TO THE SECURITY OF A FREE STATE
> is the premise of that amendment. See if you can get through the premise
> before intentionally misconstruing the rest of the amendment.

See if you can get through this *complete* sentence without trying to
twist it out of shape. "...the right of the people to keep and bear
arms shall not be infringed."

>
> Point proven.

Look up, Jabba. Yer braincase is so shallow you ought to be able to see
the point...

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Cheers,

Bama Brian

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Dec 16, 2009, 10:36:29 AM12/16/09
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Well, then, we've told Lee Harrison to go home many times - but he keeps
wanting to play in t.p.g. with you. Apparently like calls to like...

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Cheers,

tankfixer

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Dec 16, 2009, 9:05:29 PM12/16/09
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In article <tqhhi5le9tnpsokib...@4ax.com>,
klausscha...@yahoo.com says...

I some part of his head it seems to be..

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Dec 17, 2009, 8:20:40 AM12/17/09
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In talk.politics.guns nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote:


>Another innocent woman murdered because she trusted a gunloon who had a
>pistol and a permit but no combat training.

Still waiting for that cite that he had no combat training, fatso.

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Dec 18, 2009, 9:00:37 AM12/18/09
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In talk.politics.guns Klaus Schadenfreude
<klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>>Klaus Schadenfreude
>> Big, Fat, Blubbery Liar Lee Harrison
>Klaus Schadenfreude

>>> You lied. You claimed he "had no combat training." Yet you've failed
>>> time and again to come up with a single fact to support your claim.
>>
>>Where is his combat training? Show us, Blubberboy.
>
>No, Lee. You claimed he had NO combat training. Show your proof, or be
>forever branded a fat, blubbery liar.
>
>OK, a BIGGER fat, blubbery liar than you've already been branded.
>
>>> What do we think of people who can't come up with facts?
>>
>>I think you're mentally incapable of construing ability from behavior;
>>unless you believe Tooson risked his life to help this woman, intending
>>that Williams should murder her.
>
>I think you're mentally unable to grasp the fact that you made a
>statement based on wishful thinking instead of fact. Asked to back up
>your statement with fact, you cower in fear.
>
>Did you know that when you cower, the whole damn building shakes?
>
>We all know what lacking the facts means. Don't we, Jabba?


>
>"Your inability to produce facts makes you look like a teenybopper."
> -Lee Harrison
>

>Now, tell you what I'm gonna do, fatso. I'm gonna give you the chance
>to recant your statement. Take it back, admit you "misspoke" when you
>stated unequivocally and for the record,


>
> "Another innocent woman murdered because she trusted a
> gunloon who had a pistol and a permit but no combat

> training." - Lee Harrison
>
>Admit it for all of usenet to see, and perhaps you'll gain an iota of
>respect. Until then, you're just another fat, drunk teenybopper.

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