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Rudy Canoza

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Jan 13, 2022, 8:41:23 PMJan 13
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On 1/13/2022 5:04 PM, jane playne wrote:
> On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 12:59:47 PM UTC-5, davej wrote:
>> Don't wear a mask. Don't get vaccinated. Ignore Donald Trump's advice.
> .
>
> Dr. Anthony Fauci, the White House’s top Covid advisor, conceded that “just about everybody” will ultimately contract Omicron.
>
> The current administration inherited a vaccine and dropped the ball. The they claimed that once you are vaccinated you will not catch covid and you will not pass it on.
>

No need to read past that reactionary lie. No one *ever* claimed that about the
vaccines, not-jane, you mackerel-reeking cunt.

Anonymous Reactionary

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Jan 13, 2022, 8:57:55 PMJan 13
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Rudy Canoza wrote:

> No one *ever* claimed that about the vaccines

Yes they did.

Rudy Canoza

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Jan 13, 2022, 9:58:25 PMJan 13
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On 1/13/2022 5:57 PM, Anonymous Reactionary wrote:
> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>
>>> The current administration inherited a vaccine and dropped the ball. The they
>>> claimed that once you are vaccinated you will not catch covid and you will not
>>> pass it on.
>>>
>>
>> No need to read past that reactionary lie. No one *ever* claimed that about the
>> vaccines, not-jane, you mackerel-reeking cunt.
>
> Yes they did.

No, you fucking liar, no on ever claimed that the vaccines were 100 percent
effective in preventing infection. Fuck off.

Brian Sampson

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Jan 17, 2022, 11:42:06 AMJan 17
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On 1/17/2022 3:18 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 08:54:31 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/16/2022 7:23 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>> On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 09:01:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/15/2022 3:22 AM, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 21:14:27 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>>> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/14/2022 6:49 PM, jane playne wrote:
>>>>>>> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 11:53:15 AM UTC-5, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 1/13/2022 7:42 PM, jane playne wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 10:27:46 PM UTC-5, Mitchell
>>>>>>>>> Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jane playne <jane....@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:528ec829-aaa0-4ede...@googlegroups.com:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 9:56:24 PM UTC-5, Mitchell
>>>>>>>>>>> Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> jane playne <jane....@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:a35d438d-ebd5-4d06...@googlegroups.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The current administration inherited a vaccine and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dropped the ball. The they claimed that once you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> vaccinated you will not catch covid
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and you will not pass it on.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Proof?
>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Joe Biden stated on July 21, 2021 in a CNN town hall with Don
>>>>>>>>>>> Lemon:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "We’re not in a position where we think that any virus —
>>>>>>>>>>> including the Delta virus, which is much more transmissible
>>>>>>>>>>> and more deadly in terms of non — unvaccinated people — the
>>>>>>>>>>> vi- — the various shots that people are getting now cover
>>>>>>>>>>> that. They’re — you’re okay. You’re not going to — you’re not
>>>>>>>>>>> going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations." -
>>>>>>>>>>> Transcript at whitehouse.gov
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Got that? “You’re not going to get COVID if you have these
>>>>>>>>>>> vaccinations.” - Joe Biden
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What Biden *actually* said:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Vaccinated people who get COVID may get ill, but they’re
>>>>>>>>>> protected from severe illness and death. That’s why you should
>>>>>>>>>> still remain vigilant."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-
>>>>>>>>>> remarks/2021/12/21/remarks-by-president-biden-on-the-fight-against-covid-
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> 19/
>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What he ACTUALLY said was, “You’re not going to get COVID if you
>>>>>>>>> have these vaccinations.” - Joe Biden, July 21, 2021
>>>>>>>> That strikes me as a politician carelessly talking off the cuff. I
>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> “Vaccinated people do not carry the virus — they don’t get sick,” Dr.
>>>>>>> Rochelle Walensky, director of the CDC, told MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow on
>>>>>>> Tuesday. That’s “not just in the clinical trials, but it’s also in
>>>>>>> real-world data.”
>>>>>>> https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/04/cdc-data-suggests-vaccinated-dont-carry-cant-spread-virus.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> “And we have -- we can kind of almost see the end. We`re vaccinating
>>>>>>> so very fast, our data from the CDC today suggests, you know, that
>>>>>>> vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don`t get sick, and that
>>>>>>> it`s not just in the clinical trials but it`s also in real world
>>>>>>> data.” - Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the CDC
>>>>>>> https://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/transcript-rachel-maddow-show-3-29-21-n1262442
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She should have known better given the efficacy at the time was about 90
>>>>>> to 95%, not 100%. That being said, the belief that the vaccine was
>>>>>> effective enough to halt the pandemic if everyone was vaccinated was a
>>>>>> reasonable to position to hold. What ended up not being reasonable was
>>>>>> the belief everyone would be vaccinated. Part of that is because of the
>>>>>> flat-earther, selfish, faux libertarians who won't get vaccinated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Part of it is reading the science that twitter censors and boneheads
>>>>> like you pretend is "flat-earther", e.g. losing weight, taking vitamin
>>>>> D supplements, exercise etc etc. Part of it is a reasonable fear of
>>>>> introducing chemicals into the body that have not been tested. Part is
>>>>> a justifiable cynicism of commands from the media-bureaucrat axis that
>>>>> turn out to be non-scientific and just plain ignorant. "Two weeks to
>>>>> flatten the curve", "Vaccine will stop transmission", "Vaccine will
>>>>> not stop transmission", "Masks don't work","Masks do work", "Wear two
>>>>> masks" and on an on
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll not get vaccinated. Period. I fully expect to get Omicron and
>>>>> then I'll have immunity without the chemicals. Period.
>>>>
>>>> I'll give you credit for a reasonable fear of introducing chemicals.
>>>> But, they have been tested and shown to be safe and effective. The one
>>>> reasonable unknown is the long-term effect.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Where are the long term studies
>>
>> ... he cried in response to my claim the long-term effect is unknown.
>> WTF is wrong with you?
>
> You glossed right over it with your prior sentence. You claimed they
> were "safe and effective".

They are.


> You can't make that claim unless the
> multiple vaccinations and mixing vaccinations have been properly
> tested to be they safe.

They have been.

> They have NOT.

They have been. You are full of shit.

>
>>
>>> that three to four vaccinations is
>>> safe as well as mixing and matching? If you don't have those then
>>> your "safe and effective" claim does not have merit.
>>
>> Given the choice that faced us, I think the short-term studies
>> demonstrated sufficient efficacy and safety to justify the vaccine
>> because the alternative of not getting vaccinated was horrific.
>
> Then you're completely out of your mind when you state that something
> is safe when there haven't been the proper studies.

That's a lie.

> No *thinking*
> person doesn't wait until proper long term studies have been done

They have been done. You're a fucking liar.

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Rudy Canoza

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Jan 21, 2022, 12:42:17 PMJan 21
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On 1/21/2022 5:31 AM, -hh wrote:
> On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 6:11:15 AM UTC-5, NoBody wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 09:11:29 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>> I will take preventing the present known reality over the speculation
>>>>> of two-to-three years down the road.
>
> It is interesting to see these tortured rationalization attempts: its like
> someone claiming that they *refuse* to jump out of the way of a
> runaway trolley car because if they do so, they *might* skin their knee
> and that its scar tissue *might* become cancerous 20 years from now.

It's not even *that* good a rationalization (which would, of course, be a really
shitty rationalization). Someone might possibly, if implausibly, offer a
rationalization like the one you just hypothesized, but Kremlin Girl / Bit of
Nothingness, and little kurtsie, aren't /really/ even offering that much
rationalization. What they're doing is *lying*. No one who claims to have
"safety concerns" about the vaccine really has safety concerns. That's only the
smokescreen. The reality is their opposition is *purely* ideological. It's
nothing but a political pose. Claiming to oppose the vaccine is how they try to
prove their bona fides as ultra-reactionary right-wingnuts. It's truly nothing
more than that.

>
>>>>
>>>> That would make you a fool as Omicron is little more than a bad
>>>> headcold. Yeah, let's screw with our immune system with unknown
>>>> consequences.
>>>
>>> That's the second time you claimed Omicron is little more than a bad
>>> head cold even though almost 2000 people a day are dying from it.
>>
>> Not in the US, unless you'd like to post a citation to the contrary.
>> Place it right
>> Here:
>
> Sure:
>
> <https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
>
> <https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-omicron-variant-95-percent-cases/>
>
> The first cite reports that the 7 day moving average for CoVid mortality
> is currently running at 1843/day (as of 1/19/21; it was 1972/day as of
> 1/16/22).
>
> The second cite notes that the vast majority (eg, 95%) of DNA sequencing
> tests are coming back as reporting that its the 'milder' Omicron variant.
>
> Let us know if you need help in calculating 95% of 1,843/day ... /s
>

You're wasting your time. KG/BoN doesn't deal in facts; she only deals in
ideologically driven *false* beliefs.

Rudy Canoza

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Jan 21, 2022, 1:05:36 PMJan 21
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On 1/19/2022 8:18 AM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
> On 1/19/2022 3:12 AM, NoBody wrote:
>> On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 08:21:21 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/18/2022 3:12 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 08:27:19 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/17/2022 3:18 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 08:54:31 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>>>> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/16/2022 7:23 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 09:01:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>>>>>> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 1/15/2022 3:22 AM, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>>>> were "safe and effective".  You can't make that claim unless the
>>>>>> multiple vaccinations and mixing vaccinations have been properly
>>>>>> tested to be they safe.  They have NOT.  The better question is WTF is
>>>>>> wrong with you for making contrary statements.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> that three to four vaccinations is
>>>>>>>> safe as well as mixing and matching?  If you don't have those then
>>>>>>>> your "safe and effective" claim does not have merit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Given the choice that faced us, I think the short-term studies
>>>>>>> demonstrated sufficient efficacy and safety to justify the vaccine
>>>>>>> because the alternative of not getting vaccinated was horrific.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then you're completely out of your mind when you state that something
>>>>>> is safe when there haven't been the proper studies.  No *thinking*
>>>>>> person doesn't wait until proper long term studies have been done
>>>>>> before making such a declaration.  We know not what we are doing with
>>>>>> the messing with our immune systems.
>>>>>
>>>>> I strongly disagree given the known horrible short-term consequences of
>>>>> not having the vaccine.
>>>>
>>>> Do you always say "Damn the unknown consequences of messing with my
>>>> DNA with multiple vaccinations that haven't shown to be "harmless""
>>>> because I may catch the equivalent of a major cold (Omicron)?
>>>
>>> Firstly, hospitals are filling up under Omicron. Secondly, even if you
>>> were right for the sake of argument, the vaccines long pre-date Omicron
>>> when the risk of serious disease and death was much higher.
>>
>> Imagine how full they might be super long term because we have no
>> information on how multiple vaccines will effect our health say two or
>> three years down the line.  You're evading a direct answer to what I'm
>> saying because you don't have an answer.
>
> I will take preventing the present known reality over the speculation of
> two-to-three years down the road.

Kremlin Girl / Bit of Nothingness doesn't really have any "safety concerns"
about the vaccines. That's only her cover story. Her "opposition" [sic] to the
vaccines is based *solely* on ideology, but even as stupid as she is, she's not
so stupid that she would willingly admit it, so instead she fabricates phony
"safety concerns" as her reason. It's bullshit.

One of these fucking newbies like "Billy T" is the one who first started
maliciously cross-posting his ignorant political vomit to
comp.os.linux.advocacy. Please check the newsgroups before responding to a
fuckwit's post, and if you see that group, please remove it before posting.
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