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On 1/17/2022 3:18 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 08:54:31 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
> <
no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/16/2022 7:23 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>> On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 09:01:45 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>> <
no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/15/2022 3:22 AM, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 21:14:27 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>>> <
no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/14/2022 6:49 PM, jane playne wrote:
>>>>>>> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 11:53:15 AM UTC-5, Josh Rosenbluth
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 1/13/2022 7:42 PM, jane playne wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 10:27:46 PM UTC-5, Mitchell
>>>>>>>>> Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jane playne <
jane....@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>
news:528ec829-aaa0-4ede...@googlegroups.com:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 9:56:24 PM UTC-5, Mitchell
>>>>>>>>>>> Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> jane playne <
jane....@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>
news:a35d438d-ebd5-4d06...@googlegroups.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The current administration inherited a vaccine and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dropped the ball. The they claimed that once you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> vaccinated you will not catch covid
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and you will not pass it on.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Proof?
>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Joe Biden stated on July 21, 2021 in a CNN town hall with Don
>>>>>>>>>>> Lemon:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "We’re not in a position where we think that any virus —
>>>>>>>>>>> including the Delta virus, which is much more transmissible
>>>>>>>>>>> and more deadly in terms of non — unvaccinated people — the
>>>>>>>>>>> vi- — the various shots that people are getting now cover
>>>>>>>>>>> that. They’re — you’re okay. You’re not going to — you’re not
>>>>>>>>>>> going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations." -
>>>>>>>>>>> Transcript at
whitehouse.gov
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Got that? “You’re not going to get COVID if you have these
>>>>>>>>>>> vaccinations.” - Joe Biden
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What Biden *actually* said:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Vaccinated people who get COVID may get ill, but they’re
>>>>>>>>>> protected from severe illness and death. That’s why you should
>>>>>>>>>> still remain vigilant."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-
>>>>>>>>>> remarks/2021/12/21/remarks-by-president-biden-on-the-fight-against-covid-
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> 19/
>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What he ACTUALLY said was, “You’re not going to get COVID if you
>>>>>>>>> have these vaccinations.” - Joe Biden, July 21, 2021
>>>>>>>> That strikes me as a politician carelessly talking off the cuff. I
>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> “Vaccinated people do not carry the virus — they don’t get sick,” Dr.
>>>>>>> Rochelle Walensky, director of the CDC, told MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow on
>>>>>>> Tuesday. That’s “not just in the clinical trials, but it’s also in
>>>>>>> real-world data.”
>>>>>>>
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/04/cdc-data-suggests-vaccinated-dont-carry-cant-spread-virus.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> “And we have -- we can kind of almost see the end. We`re vaccinating
>>>>>>> so very fast, our data from the CDC today suggests, you know, that
>>>>>>> vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don`t get sick, and that
>>>>>>> it`s not just in the clinical trials but it`s also in real world
>>>>>>> data.” - Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the CDC
>>>>>>>
https://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/transcript-rachel-maddow-show-3-29-21-n1262442
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She should have known better given the efficacy at the time was about 90
>>>>>> to 95%, not 100%. That being said, the belief that the vaccine was
>>>>>> effective enough to halt the pandemic if everyone was vaccinated was a
>>>>>> reasonable to position to hold. What ended up not being reasonable was
>>>>>> the belief everyone would be vaccinated. Part of that is because of the
>>>>>> flat-earther, selfish, faux libertarians who won't get vaccinated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Part of it is reading the science that twitter censors and boneheads
>>>>> like you pretend is "flat-earther", e.g. losing weight, taking vitamin
>>>>> D supplements, exercise etc etc. Part of it is a reasonable fear of
>>>>> introducing chemicals into the body that have not been tested. Part is
>>>>> a justifiable cynicism of commands from the media-bureaucrat axis that
>>>>> turn out to be non-scientific and just plain ignorant. "Two weeks to
>>>>> flatten the curve", "Vaccine will stop transmission", "Vaccine will
>>>>> not stop transmission", "Masks don't work","Masks do work", "Wear two
>>>>> masks" and on an on
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll not get vaccinated. Period. I fully expect to get Omicron and
>>>>> then I'll have immunity without the chemicals. Period.
>>>>
>>>> I'll give you credit for a reasonable fear of introducing chemicals.
>>>> But, they have been tested and shown to be safe and effective. The one
>>>> reasonable unknown is the long-term effect.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Where are the long term studies
>>
>> ... he cried in response to my claim the long-term effect is unknown.
>> WTF is wrong with you?
>
> You glossed right over it with your prior sentence. You claimed they
> were "safe and effective".
They are.
> You can't make that claim unless the
> multiple vaccinations and mixing vaccinations have been properly
> tested to be they safe.
They have been.
> They have NOT.
They have been. You are full of shit.
>
>>
>>> that three to four vaccinations is
>>> safe as well as mixing and matching? If you don't have those then
>>> your "safe and effective" claim does not have merit.
>>
>> Given the choice that faced us, I think the short-term studies
>> demonstrated sufficient efficacy and safety to justify the vaccine
>> because the alternative of not getting vaccinated was horrific.
>
> Then you're completely out of your mind when you state that something
> is safe when there haven't been the proper studies.
That's a lie.
> No *thinking*
> person doesn't wait until proper long term studies have been done
They have been done. You're a fucking liar.
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