#Why most American movies are crap
4895 Dead, 28 since 1/20/09
I give up on the movies
American cinema is now little more than trash directed at teenagers. I'd
much prefer to watch TV
Among the big questions circulating about the 21st-century film industry
are these: why are women in mainstream films so vapid? Why are big names
so crucial in securing backing, when they don't secure much in terms of
consistency or quality? And why do the politics of mainstream narratives
seem so dim witted?
Changing cinematic presentations of women have been very well documented
- we seem, as a gender, to have been getting stupider since about the
mid-90s. In the real world is the idea that women should be able to seek
gainful employment and be fairly treated in that pursuit; yet on the big
screen you have heroines such as the "journalist" in Confessions of a
Shopaholic, the "lawyer" in Legally Blonde(s), the "lawyer" (again) in
Sex and the City (the movie) - all putatively demanding careers,
undertaken by people so thick they can't understand basic words.
The big-star cast argument is well illustrated by the Oscars. It was with
some puff and pride that news services announced on Monday that Slumdog
Millionaire was the first film with wholly British backing to win since
1947. According to rumour at least, it attracted no international
interest, having no big names in the cast.
Gran Torino is a more concrete example of this on the flip side - it's a
by-numbers, horrid-racist-finds-enlightenment-through-engagement cliche.
The only conceivable reason for its existence is the star power of Clint
Eastwood. In fairness it's his credibility, that he's spent nearly 80
years forging - if he wants to toast it and feed it to a dog, that's his
business. This tessellates with the political point: certain credos of
identity politics are very popular with mainstream cinema; you shouldn't
be racist; know that your homophobia will find you out; underneath we're
all the same, yik yak yik yak. But overall, the art form is governed by a
cuddly conservatism, a well-meant "to thine own self be true" mantra,
largely devoid - unless there's a monster or a foreigner - of any
questions larger than "who do you want to shag?", and any ethics larger
than, "should you be shagging both those people at the same time?".
All this generates much worry about the state of culture, specifically
American culture, and from there, the influence it has over British and
global culture. And yet, if you do yourself the favour of watching telly
instead, the standards are radically different. Never mind that a half-
hour episode of The Simpsons has more reference, emotional complexity and
political texture than probably the last decade of Eastwood's career.
Nobody needs a lecture on how good The Wire is, or how hard you have to
concentrate to watch The West Wing.
But I would contend that even the worst of big-hitting US telly -
Brothers and Sisters, Desperate Housewives, Sex and the City - has a
maturity, a degree of courage, an iconoclasm, that equivalently
mainstream cinema would balk at. And it's straight demographics. The
average age of the American cinemagoer is 19; in the UK it's 17. These
are the top grossing films of this century: How the Grinch Stole
Christmas, the first Harry Potter, Spider-Man, Finding Nemo, Shrek 2,
Star Wars 3, Pirates of the Caribbean, Spider-Man 3, The Dark Knight.
Female role models and political complexity seem irrelevant from this
angle.
This is no longer an adult's medium, and that's why it disappoints. But
adults have peerless, brilliant culture, written just for them - it is
sophisticated, taxing, beautiful to look at and delivered straight into
their tellies. It's like having a Nobu takeout service on your road, but
still complaining about McDonald's. It's not the concern of adults,
whether the female role models are inspiring or not. It's time we cut
cinema loose; it's not meant for us.
--
“Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the
entrails of the last priest.” -Dennis Diderot Pay your taxes so the rich
don't have to. Atheist #2211
Foxtrot
>Subject: #Why most American movies are crap
Because they keep making partisan political crap like Milk and
Frost/Nixon.
Hollywood should go back to making fun action flicks like Red
Dawn and First Blood. Hell, Smoky and the Bandit was better than
the shit they make these days.
Be Kind Rewind SUCKED!! The last classic comedy I can think of
was It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World.
>I give up on the movies
>
>American cinema is now little more than trash directed at teenagers. I'd
>much prefer to watch TV
>
>Among the big questions circulating about the 21st-century film industry
>are these: why are women in mainstream films so vapid? Why are big names
>so crucial in securing backing, when they don't secure much in terms of
>consistency or quality?
I agree with that. Producers continue to make crappy films starring
has beens like Will Smith, George Clooney and Samuel L Jackson.
>And why do the politics of mainstream narratives
>seem so dim witted?
Because Hollywood is a bunch of smarmy America hating limousine
liberals who think people want to watch crap like Milk. Bring back
good flicks that make people proud to be American. We badly need
a new John Wayne, not smarmy sissyboys like Sean Penn.
>But I would contend that even the worst of big-hitting US telly -
>Brothers and Sisters, Desperate Housewives, Sex and the City
He's right about that. The last good TV shows were Newhart and
Married with Children.
bvallely
> I give up on the movies
You'd be horrified if you know how little I care about what you think
about the movies.
4906 Dead, 39 since 1/20/09
> "4895 Dead, 28 since 1/20/09" <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>
>>Subject: #Why most American movies are crap
>
> Because they keep making partisan political crap like Milk and
> Frost/Nixon.
And I bet you haven't seen either.
For starters, you would have known that Frost/Nixon was sympathetic to
Nixon, and you might have learned that Milk didn't have a party
affiliation.
You really are posting from utter ignorance, aren't you?
>
> Hollywood should go back to making fun action flicks like Red Dawn and
> First Blood. Hell, Smoky and the Bandit was better than the shit they
> make these days.
>
> Be Kind Rewind SUCKED!! The last classic comedy I can think of was It's
> a Mad Mad Mad Mad World.
>
>>I give up on the movies
>>
>>American cinema is now little more than trash directed at teenagers. I'd
>>much prefer to watch TV
>>
>>Among the big questions circulating about the 21st-century film industry
>>are these: why are women in mainstream films so vapid? Why are big names
>>so crucial in securing backing, when they don't secure much in terms of
>>consistency or quality?
>
> I agree with that. Producers continue to make crappy films starring has
> beens like Will Smith, George Clooney and Samuel L Jackson.
>
>>And why do the politics of mainstream narratives seem so dim witted?
>
> Because Hollywood is a bunch of smarmy America hating limousine liberals
> who think people want to watch crap like Milk. Bring back good flicks
> that make people proud to be American. We badly need a new John Wayne,
> not smarmy sissyboys like Sean Penn.
>
>>But I would contend that even the worst of big-hitting US telly -
>>Brothers and Sisters, Desperate Housewives, Sex and the City
>
> He's right about that. The last good TV shows were Newhart and Married
> with Children.
--
Dr. Barry Worthington
> "4895 Dead, 28 since 1/20/09" <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>
> >Subject: #Why most American movies are crap
>
> Because they keep making partisan political crap like Milk and
> Frost/Nixon.
But that isn't the point....well, it certainly wasn't his point.
Hollywood is now largely making crap films aimed at a teen demographic
and eschewing the adult audience who don't tend to go to the cinema
any more. (By cinema, I mean multiplex cinemas, circuits dominated by
the big distributors. Most people with any sense go to art houses,
watch dvds, or download material from the internet. And they tend to
watch independent or foreign films (unless they have young kids).
Milk and Frost/Nixon are not usual Hollywood films....if they can be
called Hollywood films at all....
>
> Hollywood should go back to making fun action flicks like Red
> Dawn and First Blood.
Why would a grown man want to watch crap like Red Dawn? It's targetted
at morons.....
>Hell, Smoky and the Bandit was better than
> the shit they make these days.
>
> Be Kind Rewind SUCKED!! The last classic comedy I can think of
> was It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World.
>
> >I give up on the movies
>
> >American cinema is now little more than trash directed at teenagers. I'd
> >much prefer to watch TV
>
> >Among the big questions circulating about the 21st-century film industry
> >are these: why are women in mainstream films so vapid? Why are big names
> >so crucial in securing backing, when they don't secure much in terms of
> >consistency or quality?
>
> I agree with that. Producers continue to make crappy films starring
> has beens like Will Smith, George Clooney and Samuel L Jackson.
>
> >And why do the politics of mainstream narratives
> >seem so dim witted?
>
> Because Hollywood is a bunch of smarmy America hating limousine
> liberals who think people want to watch crap like Milk. Bring back
> good flicks that make people proud to be American. We badly need
> a new John Wayne, not smarmy sissyboys like Sean Penn.
John Wayne was an actor. In the hands of John Ford he was magic. The
films that he actually had a hand in creating were
dreadful....remember the Alamo!
Dr. Barry Worthington
4906 Dead, 39 since 1/20/09
<sh...@abertay.ac.uk> wrote:
>On Feb 26, 6:20 am, Foxtrot <foxt...@null.com> wrote:
>> "4895 Dead, 28 since 1/20/09" <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Subject: #Why most American movies are crap
>>
>> Because they keep making partisan political crap like Milk and
>> Frost/Nixon.
>
>But that isn't the point....well, it certainly wasn't his point.
>Hollywood is now largely making crap films aimed at a teen demographic
>and eschewing the adult audience who don't tend to go to the cinema
>any more. (By cinema, I mean multiplex cinemas, circuits dominated by
>the big distributors. Most people with any sense go to art houses,
>watch dvds, or download material from the internet. And they tend to
>watch independent or foreign films (unless they have young kids).
>
>Milk and Frost/Nixon are not usual Hollywood films....if they can be
>called Hollywood films at all....
>
>>
>> Hollywood should go back to making fun action flicks like Red
>> Dawn and First Blood.
>
>Why would a grown man want to watch crap like Red Dawn? It's targetted
>at morons.....
I note that the heroes of "Red Dawn" employ the same tactics that
Fauxy now decries as "Terrorism".
Falstaff
> "4895 Dead, 28 since 1/20/09" <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>
> >Subject: #Why most American movies are crap
>
>
> >seem so dim witted?
>
> Because Hollywood is a bunch of smarmy America hating limousine
> liberals who think people want to watch crap like Milk. Bring back
> good flicks that make people proud to be American. We badly need
> a new John Wayne, not smarmy sissyboys like Sean Penn.
You mean you don't like the movies made by Republican Arnold
Schwartzenegger and Republican Clint Eastwood and Republican Bruce
Willis and Republican Fred Thompson? You must hate America.
milt....@gmail.com
> "4895 Dead, 28 since 1/20/09" <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>
> >Subject: #Why most American movies are crap
>
> Because they keep making partisan political crap like Milk and
> Frost/Nixon.
I liked Milk a lot. Frost/Nixon was the first bad movie Ron Howard's
ever made. I love Frank Langella, but watching him as Nixon was
painful.
But that's not why American films suck. American films suck because
they can make more money reselling TV shows. TV is much more
interesting than film these days. The Shield, The Sopranos, Rescue
Me...
I also think movie studios are freaking out as much or more than
record companies over the "illegal downloading" phenomenon. They're
cutting back on budgets, which means they make a lot more shit these
days.
>
> Hollywood should go back to making fun action flicks like Red
> Dawn and First Blood. Hell, Smoky and the Bandit was better than
> the shit they make these days.
>
> Be Kind Rewind SUCKED!! The last classic comedy I can think of
> was It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World.
Huh? Young Frankenstein came out at least a decade after that. And
there have been some really good comedies in recent years, although
I've had more than enough of Judd Apatow and Seth Rogin, thanks very
much...
I will say this much, though. The number of movies that I get from
Netflix and am glad I didn't pay $9 to see has been increasing in
recent years. Fargo, for example, is an absolute classic, as is, IMHO
Burn After Reading.
>
> >I give up on the movies
>
> >American cinema is now little more than trash directed at teenagers. I'd
> >much prefer to watch TV
>
> >Among the big questions circulating about the 21st-century film industry
> >are these: why are women in mainstream films so vapid? Why are big names
> >so crucial in securing backing, when they don't secure much in terms of
> >consistency or quality?
>
> I agree with that. Producers continue to make crappy films starring
> has beens like Will Smith, George Clooney and Samuel L Jackson.
Has beens?
Will Smith has been in one truly bad movie, and that was "Hancock." I
was a George Clooney skeptic when he first started doing movies,
especially after he played Batman. (ick) But he's won me over, big
time. I do prefer him in comedies, though. In the last couple of
years, Leatherheads and Burn After Reading are among my favorite
films.
>
> >And why do the politics of mainstream narratives
> >seem so dim witted?
>
> Because Hollywood is a bunch of smarmy America hating limousine
> liberals who think people want to watch crap like Milk. Bring back
> good flicks that make people proud to be American. We badly need
> a new John Wayne, not smarmy sissyboys like Sean Penn.
No, I think it's because they're trying to make a point, but they hold
back, for fear of being seen as "preachy."
>
> >But I would contend that even the worst of big-hitting US telly -
> >Brothers and Sisters, Desperate Housewives, Sex and the City
>
> He's right about that. The last good TV shows were Newhart and
> Married with Children.
Last two? Jesus, you're missing out. The Office, Scrubs and 30 Rock
are funny as shit, and as traditional sitcoms go, Big Bang Theory is
great. I don't watch much TV, but when I do, I like them.
milt....@gmail.com
wrote:
> On Feb 26, 6:20 am, Foxtrot <foxt...@null.com> wrote:
>
> > "4895 Dead, 28 since 1/20/09" <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>
> > >Subject: #Why most American movies are crap
>
> > Because they keep making partisan political crap like Milk and
> > Frost/Nixon.
>
> But that isn't the point....well, it certainly wasn't his point.
> Hollywood is now largely making crap films aimed at a teen demographic
> and eschewing the adult audience who don't tend to go to the cinema
> any more. (By cinema, I mean multiplex cinemas, circuits dominated by
> the big distributors. Most people with any sense go to art houses,
> watch dvds, or download material from the internet. And they tend to
> watch independent or foreign films (unless they have young kids).
Exactly right. Most multiplexes are okay, but they're crowded and
usually in shopping malls. They want $10 for a ticket, and another $10
if you want a medium popcorn and a drink. Why would I pay that much,
when I can wait a few months, rent the film for a couple of bucks, and
watch it on the 42" digital tv in the living room, with the surround
sound built in? I still prefer to see big films
Plus, American film audiences are getting ruder and ruder.
>
> Milk and Frost/Nixon are not usual Hollywood films....if they can be
> called Hollywood films at all....
>
>
> > Hollywood should go back to making fun action flicks like Red
> > Dawn and First Blood.
>
> Why would a grown man want to watch crap like Red Dawn? It's targetted
> at morons.....
So was First Blood. It was the best of the Rambo films, but that's
like saying skin is the best type of cancer...
>
>
>
> >Hell, Smoky and the Bandit was better than
> > the shit they make these days.
>
> > Be Kind Rewind SUCKED!! The last classic comedy I can think of
> > was It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World.
>
> > >I give up on the movies
>
> > >American cinema is now little more than trash directed at teenagers. I'd
> > >much prefer to watch TV
>
> > >Among the big questions circulating about the 21st-century film industry
> > >are these: why are women in mainstream films so vapid? Why are big names
> > >so crucial in securing backing, when they don't secure much in terms of
> > >consistency or quality?
>
> > I agree with that. Producers continue to make crappy films starring
> > has beens like Will Smith, George Clooney and Samuel L Jackson.
>
> > >And why do the politics of mainstream narratives
> > >seem so dim witted?
>
> > Because Hollywood is a bunch of smarmy America hating limousine
> > liberals who think people want to watch crap like Milk. Bring back
> > good flicks that make people proud to be American. We badly need
> > a new John Wayne, not smarmy sissyboys like Sean Penn.
>
> John Wayne was an actor. In the hands of John Ford he was magic. The
> films that he actually had a hand in creating were
> dreadful....remember the Alamo!
I liked some of the films he made as he got older, and didn't care
anymore. But overall, John Wayne wasn't exactly a great actor.
Compared to Cagney, Bogart, Tracy and Cary Grant, he was pretty much a
mook. Like you said, he benefited from John Ford. Ford was one of the
greatest directors of all time.
milt....@gmail.com
You'd be horrified if you realized that no one gives a shit what you
think.
znuybv
Here's my two cents and I don't care what either of you think.
"Oh Brother....", 2000
Directed by Joel Coen. With George Clooney, John Turturro, Tim Blake
Nelson. Homer's epic poem.
I watch time and again and still laugh.
Bill Bonde { No matter what happens, it's caused by global warming )
"4906 Dead, 39 since 1/20/09" wrote:
>
> On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:20:01 -0800, Foxtrot wrote:
>
> > "4895 Dead, 28 since 1/20/09" <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Subject: #Why most American movies are crap
> >
> > Because they keep making partisan political crap like Milk and
> > Frost/Nixon.
>
> And I bet you haven't seen either.
>
> For starters, you would have known that Frost/Nixon was sympathetic to
> Nixon, and you might have learned that Milk didn't have a party
> affiliation.
>
I haven't. I've had some milk in my coffee though.
--
He and Evie soon fell into a conversation of the "No, I didn't;
yes, you did" type--conversation which, though fascinating to those
who are engaged in it, neither desires nor deserves the attention
of others.
-+E.M. Forster, "Howards End"
Bill Bonde { No matter what happens, it's caused by global warming )
"4906 Dead, 39 since 1/20/09" wrote:
>
> On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:38:30 -0800 (PST), "Dr. Barry Worthington"
> <sh...@abertay.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> >On Feb 26, 6:20 am, Foxtrot <foxt...@null.com> wrote:
> >> "4895 Dead, 28 since 1/20/09" <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Subject: #Why most American movies are crap
> >>
> >> Because they keep making partisan political crap like Milk and
> >> Frost/Nixon.
> >
> >But that isn't the point....well, it certainly wasn't his point.
> >Hollywood is now largely making crap films aimed at a teen demographic
> >and eschewing the adult audience who don't tend to go to the cinema
> >any more. (By cinema, I mean multiplex cinemas, circuits dominated by
> >the big distributors. Most people with any sense go to art houses,
> >watch dvds, or download material from the internet. And they tend to
> >watch independent or foreign films (unless they have young kids).
> >
> >Milk and Frost/Nixon are not usual Hollywood films....if they can be
> >called Hollywood films at all....
> >
> >>
> >> Hollywood should go back to making fun action flicks like Red
> >> Dawn and First Blood.
> >
> >Why would a grown man want to watch crap like Red Dawn? It's targetted
> >at morons.....
>
> I note that the heroes of "Red Dawn" employ the same tactics that
> Fauxy now decries as "Terrorism".
>
What's that?
milt....@gmail.com
I LOVE that movie. And it's the greatest soundtrack EVER!
Bill Bonde { No matter what happens, it's caused by global warming )
I never figured Homer could get an epic poem out of "D'oh!"
znuybv
by global warming )" <tributyltinp...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> znuybv wrote:
>
> > On Feb 26, 1:11 pm, milt.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Feb 26, 1:03 am, bvallely <bvall...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > .> I give up on the movies
>
> > > > .
> > > > You'd be horrified if you know how little I care about what you think
> > > > about the movies.
>
> > > You'd be horrified if you realized that no one gives a shit what you
> > > think.
>
> > Here's my two cents and I don't care what either of you think.
>
> > "Oh Brother....", 2000
> > Directed by Joel Coen. With George Clooney, John Turturro, Tim Blake
> > Nelson. Homer's epic poem.
>
> I never figured Homer could get an epic poem out of "D'oh!"
>
> --
hot stuff!
Steve
>Exactly right. Most multiplexes are okay, but they're crowded and
>usually in shopping malls. They want $10 for a ticket, and another $10
>if you want a medium popcorn and a drink. Why would I pay that much,
>when I can wait a few months, rent the film for a couple of bucks, and
>watch it on the 42" digital tv in the living room, with the surround
>sound built in? I still prefer to see big films
I really doubt that Shook's dad has a 42" digital TV in the living
room, with the surround sound in his <LOL> trailer... because that's
where Shook lives.....
"I have the sorts of contacts that, if I feel threatened by something
someone is doing on the net, I can get an exact location of the person
that was using that IP address at that time.
It's not as hard as you might think, if you know the right people.
(Why do I picture you sweating hard about now?)"
--Milt Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/bcaaa716404f7b49?
Canyon note: maybe it's because of Milt's very overactve imagination.
"I used to do Internet surveillance for
another firm; tracking down people who misused trademarks in their
source code. I learned a lot of tricks and go to know a lot of people,
including many counsel at some major search engines."
--Milt.Shook.03 Oct 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/0b414548a47ea467
"Hey, Canyon, here's a hardball for you; sometimes I lie about my
personal life on Usenet"
--Milt Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/f2f538a583cb79c3
<Canyon note>: No shit Sherlock...
ze...@finestplanet.com
happens, it's caused by global warming )"
>
>
>znuybv wrote:
>>
>> On Feb 26, 1:11 pm, milt.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Feb 26, 1:03 am, bvallely <bvall...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > .> I give up on the movies
>> >
>> > > .
>> > > You'd be horrified if you know how little I care about what you think
>> > > about the movies.
>> >
>> > You'd be horrified if you realized that no one gives a shit what you
>> > think.
>>
>> Here's my two cents and I don't care what either of you think.
>>
>> "Oh Brother....", 2000
>> Directed by Joel Coen. With George Clooney, John Turturro, Tim Blake
>> Nelson. Homer's epic poem.
Truly a great movie. I note that the author of the piece didn't say
ALL movies were just teen bait--just most of them.
Bill Bonde { No matter what happens, it's caused by global warming )
Did you see "Sullivan's Travels"? It's pretty fitting while
cowering under your Obama blankets, steeled against the blasts of
Global Warming, glancing askance through a rent-to-own shop window
at a big sixty five inch plasma TV no one can afford anymore.
4906 Dead, 39 since 1/20/09
Poor Bill. Did that mean old Obama piss in your Wheaties again?
topset72
> Because Hollywood is a bunch of smarmy America hating limousine
> liberals who think people want to watch crap like Milk. Bring back
> good flicks that make people proud to be American. We badly need
> a new John Wayne, not smarmy sissyboys like Sean Penn.
John Wayne. You mean the guy who skipped WW2 because he thought it
would be bad for his career? Didn't stop him from making a dollar on
war after other people won the war -- just like most of the Bush
Admin. There was a great pic of JW carrying a picnic basket published
in spy magazine.
Topset72
topset72
20 years makes a little fog. I wonder if Jonny ever fogged up the
windows with Ronnie R who also skipped WW2:
Foxtrot
>Foxtrot wrote:
>> "4895 Dead, 28 since 1/20/09" <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>>>Subject: #Why most American movies are crap
>>
>> Because they keep making partisan political crap like Milk and
>> Frost/Nixon.
>
>And I bet you haven't seen either.
I didn't see The Crying Game either. Somebody told me all I needed
to know about it in three simple words--"It's a dude."
>For starters, you would have known that Frost/Nixon was sympathetic to
>Nixon, and you might have learned that Milk didn't have a party
>affiliation.
>
>You really are posting from utter ignorance, aren't you?
Both of them are liberal perspectives of historic events so it's easy
to know what they contain. Libs hated Nixon and wanted him sent to
prison so of course a film about the collapse of his presidency is
going to try to further destroy his legacy.
I know what Milk's agenda was and I know how limousine liberal
wussies like Ron Howard and Sean Penn spew propaganda that
would attempt to make a martyr out of him. I heard Penn's speech
about it confirming my suspicions.
Foxtrot
>Foxtrot <foxt...@null.com> wrote:
>> "4895 Dead, 28 since 1/20/09" <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Subject: #Why most American movies are crap
>>
>> Because they keep making partisan political crap like Milk and
>> Frost/Nixon.
>
>I liked Milk a lot. Frost/Nixon was the first bad movie Ron Howard's
>ever made. I love Frank Langella, but watching him as Nixon was
>painful.
>
>But that's not why American films suck. American films suck because
>they can make more money reselling TV shows. TV is much more
>interesting than film these days. The Shield, The Sopranos, Rescue
>Me...
Tell me about it Shnook. I thought the TV show-turned-movie genre
hit rock bottom with My Favorite Martian (Christopher Lloyd's worst),
then came Bewitched (WTF was Nicole Kidman thinking?!?). Then it
somehow got even worse with Alvin and the Chipmunks. Also Dragnet,
McHale's Navy, Flintstones ad nauseum. Aargh!!
The only good movie based on a TV show was The Fugitive.
>I also think movie studios are freaking out as much or more than
>record companies over the "illegal downloading" phenomenon. They're
>cutting back on budgets, which means they make a lot more shit these
>days.
Yes. They know their revenues are waning because of the decreased
quality of their movies (due to poor uncreative screenwriters) so they're
going after bootleggers to make up for the decreased revenue.
>> Hollywood should go back to making fun action flicks like Red
>> Dawn and First Blood. Hell, Smoky and the Bandit was better than
>> the shit they make these days.
>>
>> Be Kind Rewind SUCKED!! The last classic comedy I can think of
>> was It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World.
>
>Huh? Young Frankenstein came out at least a decade after that. And
>there have been some really good comedies in recent years, although
>I've had more than enough of Judd Apatow and Seth Rogin, thanks very
>much...
Blazing Saddles was a comedy masterpiece, YF was nowhere near
as good. Animal House, Porky's, Up In Smoke and a few other
noteworthy comedies popped up from time to time.
Knocked Up was amusing but forgettable. That's typical of many
modern comedies. John Hughes did some fun stuff in the 80s.
As a software engineer, I could totally relate to Office Space. It was a
perfect example of the software-geeks-in-cubicles lifestyle. In fact I
had to correct a minor unforeseen Y2K bug on Jan 2 2000!
>> >American cinema is now little more than trash directed at teenagers. I'd
>> >much prefer to watch TV
>>
>> >Among the big questions circulating about the 21st-century film industry
>> >are these: why are women in mainstream films so vapid? Why are big names
>> >so crucial in securing backing, when they don't secure much in terms of
>> >consistency or quality?
>>
>> I agree with that. Producers continue to make crappy films starring
>> has beens like Will Smith, George Clooney and Samuel L Jackson.
>
>Has beens?
>
>Will Smith has been in one truly bad movie, and that was "Hancock."
Pursuit of Happiness is the only good flick he's made in the last ten
years. Before that the first Men in Black and Enemy of the State were
good. But he's grossly overpaid compared to the quality of movie he
makes.
>I
>was a George Clooney skeptic when he first started doing movies,
>especially after he played Batman. (ick) But he's won me over, big
>time. I do prefer him in comedies, though. In the last couple of
>years, Leatherheads and Burn After Reading are among my favorite
>films.
I haven't seen those but the movies of his that I've seen were only
good because of good screenplays, eg O Brother Where Art Thou?
Steve
>milt....@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>Foxtrot <foxt...@null.com> wrote:
>>> "4895 Dead, 28 since 1/20/09" <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Subject: #Why most American movies are crap
>>>
>>> Because they keep making partisan political crap like Milk and
>>> Frost/Nixon.
>>
>>I liked Milk a lot. Frost/Nixon was the first bad movie Ron Howard's
>>ever made. I love Frank Langella, but watching him as Nixon was
>>painful.
>>
>>But that's not why American films suck. American films suck because
>>they can make more money reselling TV shows. TV is much more
>>interesting than film these days. The Shield, The Sopranos, Rescue
>>Me...
>
>Tell me about it Shnook. I thought the TV show-turned-movie genre
>hit rock bottom with My Favorite Martian (Christopher Lloyd's worst),
>then came Bewitched (WTF was Nicole Kidman thinking?!?). Then it
>somehow got even worse with Alvin and the Chipmunks. Also Dragnet,
>McHale's Navy, Flintstones ad nauseum. Aargh!!
>
>The only good movie based on a TV show was The Fugitive.
There might have been one decent Star Trek movie in there....
Matt
> milt.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
> >Foxtrot <foxt...@null.com> wrote:
> >> "4895 Dead, 28 since 1/20/09" <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>
> >> >Subject: #Why most American movies are crap
>
> >> Because they keep making partisan political crap like Milk and
> >> Frost/Nixon.
>
> >I liked Milk a lot. Frost/Nixon was the first bad movie Ron Howard's
> >ever made. I love Frank Langella, but watching him as Nixon was
> >painful.
>
> >But that's not why American films suck. American films suck because
> >they can make more money reselling TV shows. TV is much more
> >interesting than film these days. The Shield, The Sopranos, Rescue
> >Me...
>
> Tell me about it Shnook. I thought the TV show-turned-movie genre
> hit rock bottom with My Favorite Martian (Christopher Lloyd's worst),
> then came Bewitched (WTF was Nicole Kidman thinking?!?). Then it
> somehow got even worse with Alvin and the Chipmunks. Also Dragnet,
> McHale's Navy, Flintstones ad nauseum. Aargh!!
Ugh, please don't remind me. Gilligan's Island is next, I bet.
>
> The only good movie based on a TV show was The Fugitive.
Oh, I don't know about that, there were some decent movies based on
TV shows. None are coming to mind at the moment, so I may have to
rethink
this, but I'm SURE there had to be a few good ones... :)
>
> >I also think movie studios are freaking out as much or more than
> >record companies over the "illegal downloading" phenomenon. They're
> >cutting back on budgets, which means they make a lot more shit these
> >days.
>
> Yes. They know their revenues are waning because of the decreased
> quality of their movies (due to poor uncreative screenwriters) so they're
> going after bootleggers to make up for the decreased revenue.
It is really a bit more than that. When movies were coming out at a
rate of
two or three per season, it was no big deal to have a movie out there
for months,
raking in cash as people went to see it twelve times. Now, with a
thousand of them
to choose from, the theaters drop them after a few weeks and they
aren't making
as much.
>
> >> Hollywood should go back to making fun action flicks like Red
> >> Dawn and First Blood. Hell, Smoky and the Bandit was better than
> >> the shit they make these days.
>
> >> Be Kind Rewind SUCKED!! The last classic comedy I can think of
> >> was It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World.
>
> >Huh? Young Frankenstein came out at least a decade after that. And
> >there have been some really good comedies in recent years, although
> >I've had more than enough of Judd Apatow and Seth Rogin, thanks very
> >much...
>
> Blazing Saddles was a comedy masterpiece, YF was nowhere near
> as good. Animal House, Porky's, Up In Smoke and a few other
> noteworthy comedies popped up from time to time.
Aw, come on, Young Frankenstein has some of the best lines...
"Nice knockers!" "Why thank you, Doctor."
"Care for a roll in the hay"?
"Wasn't that hump on the other side?" "What hump?"
>
> Knocked Up was amusing but forgettable. That's typical of many
> modern comedies. John Hughes did some fun stuff in the 80s.
I can happily forget the Hughes movies.. Breakfast Club, Pretty in
Pink,
all the Brat Pack stuff. I liked them then, burned out on them now.
Except
maybe Ferris. That one I can still watch.
>
> As a software engineer, I could totally relate to Office Space. It was a
> perfect example of the software-geeks-in-cubicles lifestyle. In fact I
> had to correct a minor unforeseen Y2K bug on Jan 2 2000!
Okay, Office Space was a true classic that was underappreciated and
still is.
I bought the disk as soon as it came out.
>
> >> >American cinema is now little more than trash directed at teenagers. I'd
> >> >much prefer to watch TV
>
> >> >Among the big questions circulating about the 21st-century film industry
> >> >are these: why are women in mainstream films so vapid? Why are big names
> >> >so crucial in securing backing, when they don't secure much in terms of
> >> >consistency or quality?
>
> >> I agree with that. Producers continue to make crappy films starring
> >> has beens like Will Smith, George Clooney and Samuel L Jackson.
>
> >Has beens?
>
> >Will Smith has been in one truly bad movie, and that was "Hancock."
>
> Pursuit of Happiness is the only good flick he's made in the last ten
> years. Before that the first Men in Black and Enemy of the State were
> good. But he's grossly overpaid compared to the quality of movie he
> makes.
As a side note, it is Happyness, not Happiness, but I can see why
people
think otherwise. I liked him in quite a few of his movies.
>
> >I
> >was a George Clooney skeptic when he first started doing movies,
> >especially after he played Batman. (ick) But he's won me over, big
> >time. I do prefer him in comedies, though. In the last couple of
> >years, Leatherheads and Burn After Reading are among my favorite
> >films.
>
> I haven't seen those but the movies of his that I've seen were only
> good because of good screenplays, eg O Brother Where Art Thou?
Clooney has done some good stuff. Leatherheads was amazing. So was the
political thriller (can't remember the name of it) that he did.
Matt
4906 Dead, 39 since 1/20/09
> "4906 Dead, 39 since 1/20/09" <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>
>>Foxtrot wrote:
>>> "4895 Dead, 28 since 1/20/09" <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>>>>Subject: #Why most American movies are crap
>>>
>>> Because they keep making partisan political crap like Milk and
>>> Frost/Nixon.
>>
>>And I bet you haven't seen either.
>
> I didn't see The Crying Game either. Somebody told me all I needed to
> know about it in three simple words--"It's a dude."
>
>>For starters, you would have known that Frost/Nixon was sympathetic to
>>Nixon, and you might have learned that Milk didn't have a party
>>affiliation.
>>
>>You really are posting from utter ignorance, aren't you?
>
> Both of them are liberal perspectives of historic events
Yup. You're utterly fucking ignorant. Haven't seen either movie, have
you?
so it's easy to
> know what they contain.
Uh huh. You knows what you knows, and damn reality.
That's why the GOP is nearly dead.
Libs hated Nixon and wanted him sent to prison
> so of course a film about the collapse of his presidency is going to try
> to further destroy his legacy.
Actually, Nixon is portrayed as quite human in this movie. Frost did the
impossible, and got Nixon to open up.
>
> I know what Milk's agenda was and I know how limousine liberal wussies
> like Ron Howard and Sean Penn spew propaganda that would attempt to make
> a martyr out of him. I heard Penn's speech about it confirming my
> suspicions.
Wow! An actor confirmed your suspicions! Who could possibly argue with
that?
Man, the right wing is such a bad joke these days...
Bill Bonde { No matter what happens, it's caused by global warming )
Foxtrot wrote:
>
> "4906 Dead, 39 since 1/20/09" <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>
> >Foxtrot wrote:
> >> "4895 Dead, 28 since 1/20/09" <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
> >>>Subject: #Why most American movies are crap
> >>
> >> Because they keep making partisan political crap like Milk and
> >> Frost/Nixon.
> >
> >And I bet you haven't seen either.
>
> I didn't see The Crying Game either. Somebody told me all I needed
> to know about it in three simple words--"It's a dude."
>
It was a "Some Like It Hot" remake.
4906 Dead, 39 since 1/20/09
it's caused by global warming ) wrote:
> Foxtrot wrote:
>>
>> "4906 Dead, 39 since 1/20/09" <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Foxtrot wrote:
>> >> "4895 Dead, 28 since 1/20/09" <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>> >>>Subject: #Why most American movies are crap
>> >>
>> >> Because they keep making partisan political crap like Milk and
>> >> Frost/Nixon.
>> >
>> >And I bet you haven't seen either.
>>
>> I didn't see The Crying Game either. Somebody told me all I needed to
>> know about it in three simple words--"It's a dude."
>>
> It was a "Some Like It Hot" remake.
Much the way "Shoah" was a remake of "The Great Dictator", right?
milt....@gmail.com
> >Foxtrot <foxt...@null.com> wrote:
> >> "4895 Dead, 28 since 1/20/09" <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>
> >> >Subject: #Why most American movies are crap
>
> >> Because they keep making partisan political crap like Milk and
> >> Frost/Nixon.
>
> >I liked Milk a lot. Frost/Nixon was the first bad movie Ron Howard's
> >ever made. I love Frank Langella, but watching him as Nixon was
> >painful.
>
> >But that's not why American films suck. American films suck because
> >they can make more money reselling TV shows. TV is much more
> >interesting than film these days. The Shield, The Sopranos, Rescue
> >Me...
>
> Tell me about it Shnook. I thought the TV show-turned-movie genre
> hit rock bottom with My Favorite Martian (Christopher Lloyd's worst),
> then came Bewitched (WTF was Nicole Kidman thinking?!?). Then it
> somehow got even worse with Alvin and the Chipmunks. Also Dragnet,
> McHale's Navy, Flintstones ad nauseum. Aargh!!
The Brady Bunch Movie was good, because it made fun of one of the most
god-awful tv shows of all time....
>
> The only good movie based on a TV show was The Fugitive.
I thought a couple of the Star Trek movies were pretty good. And I
actually liked Maverick, too. Not a classic, but it was fun.
>
> >I also think movie studios are freaking out as much or more than
> >record companies over the "illegal downloading" phenomenon. They're
> >cutting back on budgets, which means they make a lot more shit these
> >days.
>
> Yes. They know their revenues are waning because of the decreased
> quality of their movies (due to poor uncreative screenwriters) so they're
> going after bootleggers to make up for the decreased revenue.
>
The PERCEIVED revenue. The people who are downloading were probably
not going to buy the shit, anyway. I think they're making a mistake by
worrying about it so much. I mean, when the videotape was king, a
whole bunch of people used to tape movies off of the Z Channel when I
was in LA; no one seemed to mind that. Now, all of a sudden, it's
become this horrible thing. I don't get it.
> >> Hollywood should go back to making fun action flicks like Red
> >> Dawn and First Blood. Hell, Smoky and the Bandit was better than
> >> the shit they make these days.
>
> >> Be Kind Rewind SUCKED!! The last classic comedy I can think of
> >> was It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World.
>
> >Huh? Young Frankenstein came out at least a decade after that. And
> >there have been some really good comedies in recent years, although
> >I've had more than enough of Judd Apatow and Seth Rogin, thanks very
> >much...
>
> Blazing Saddles was a comedy masterpiece, YF was nowhere near
> as good. Animal House, Porky's, Up In Smoke and a few other
> noteworthy comedies popped up from time to time.
I thought Blazing Saddles and Young Frankenstein were equals. I was
mainly referring to the time frame. To say there were no good comedies
since 1964 (It's a Mad mad mad mad world, which was okay, but too
long) is just crazy.
>
> Knocked Up was amusing but forgettable. That's typical of many
> modern comedies. John Hughes did some fun stuff in the 80s.
I liked 40 year old virgin and Knocked up. Superbad was pretty good,
too... but jesus... every line Seth Rogin writes sounds the same, no
matter who's saying it.
And don't forget Kevin Smith... he makes some good comedies, too...
>
> As a software engineer, I could totally relate to Office Space. It was a
> perfect example of the software-geeks-in-cubicles lifestyle. In fact I
> had to correct a minor unforeseen Y2K bug on Jan 2 2000!
Oh, Gawd, I forgot about that one. That's a classic for anyone who's
ever worked in an office. ANY office.
>
> >> >American cinema is now little more than trash directed at teenagers. I'd
> >> >much prefer to watch TV
>
> >> >Among the big questions circulating about the 21st-century film industry
> >> >are these: why are women in mainstream films so vapid? Why are big names
> >> >so crucial in securing backing, when they don't secure much in terms of
> >> >consistency or quality?
>
> >> I agree with that. Producers continue to make crappy films starring
> >> has beens like Will Smith, George Clooney and Samuel L Jackson.
>
> >Has beens?
>
> >Will Smith has been in one truly bad movie, and that was "Hancock."
>
> Pursuit of Happiness is the only good flick he's made in the last ten
> years. Before that the first Men in Black and Enemy of the State were
> good. But he's grossly overpaid compared to the quality of movie he
> makes.
I've liked most of his films. As for being overpaid, he's not paid
based on quality; he's paid based on the number of tickets he sells.
Same with Tom Cruise. If Cruise was paid on his ability to act or the
quality of his films, he'd be pretty poorly paid, too.
>
> >I
> >was a George Clooney skeptic when he first started doing movies,
> >especially after he played Batman. (ick) But he's won me over, big
> >time. I do prefer him in comedies, though. In the last couple of
> >years, Leatherheads and Burn After Reading are among my favorite
> >films.
>
> I haven't seen those but the movies of his that I've seen were only
> good because of good screenplays, eg O Brother Where Art Thou?
Well, yeah... it does take a collaborative effort. No actor does it
all by himself. Where Clooney's surprised me, though, is with the
movies he's directed. Confessions of a Dangerous Mind and Good Night
and Good Luck were actually pretty amazing.
milt....@gmail.com
> On Feb 27, 1:10 am, Foxtrot <foxt...@null.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > milt.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >Foxtrot <foxt...@null.com> wrote:
> > >> "4895 Dead, 28 since 1/20/09" <ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>
> > >> >Subject: #Why most American movies are crap
>
> > >> Because they keep making partisan political crap like Milk and
> > >> Frost/Nixon.
>
> > >I liked Milk a lot. Frost/Nixon was the first bad movie Ron Howard's
> > >ever made. I love Frank Langella, but watching him as Nixon was
> > >painful.
>
> > >But that's not why American films suck. American films suck because
> > >they can make more money reselling TV shows. TV is much more
> > >interesting than film these days. The Shield, The Sopranos, Rescue
> > >Me...
>
> > Tell me about it Shnook. I thought the TV show-turned-movie genre
> > hit rock bottom with My Favorite Martian (Christopher Lloyd's worst),
> > then came Bewitched (WTF was Nicole Kidman thinking?!?). Then it
> > somehow got even worse with Alvin and the Chipmunks. Also Dragnet,
> > McHale's Navy, Flintstones ad nauseum. Aargh!!
>
> Ugh, please don't remind me. Gilligan's Island is next, I bet.
>
>
> > The only good movie based on a TV show was The Fugitive.
>
> Oh, I don't know about that, there were some decent movies based on
> TV shows. None are coming to mind at the moment, so I may have to
> rethink
> this, but I'm SURE there had to be a few good ones... :)
>
good, because it made fun of that piece of shit TV show (I saw Maureen
McCormick (Marcia) in LA when I was there a few months ago, though...
she still looks good..
>
> > >I also think movie studios are freaking out as much or more than
> > >record companies over the "illegal downloading" phenomenon. They're
> > >cutting back on budgets, which means they make a lot more shit these
> > >days.
>
> > Yes. They know their revenues are waning because of the decreased
> > quality of their movies (due to poor uncreative screenwriters) so they're
> > going after bootleggers to make up for the decreased revenue.
>
> It is really a bit more than that. When movies were coming out at a
> rate of
> two or three per season, it was no big deal to have a movie out there
> for months,
> raking in cash as people went to see it twelve times. Now, with a
> thousand of them
> to choose from, the theaters drop them after a few weeks and they
> aren't making
> as much.
>
Well, they're in too big a ruch to put them on cable and DVD. Then,
they wait a couple of months and cut the price in half, and a year
after that, they're selling them for $10. I think a lot of people
download them and then buy them when the price goes down. They could
easily put them out for $10, and sell a shitload of them, and
effectively kill the download market.
>
>
>
> > >> Hollywood should go back to making fun action flicks like Red
> > >> Dawn and First Blood. Hell, Smoky and the Bandit was better than
> > >> the shit they make these days.
>
> > >> Be Kind Rewind SUCKED!! The last classic comedy I can think of
> > >> was It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World.
>
> > >Huh? Young Frankenstein came out at least a decade after that. And
> > >there have been some really good comedies in recent years, although
> > >I've had more than enough of Judd Apatow and Seth Rogin, thanks very
> > >much...
>
> > Blazing Saddles was a comedy masterpiece, YF was nowhere near
> > as good. Animal House, Porky's, Up In Smoke and a few other
> > noteworthy comedies popped up from time to time.
>
> Aw, come on, Young Frankenstein has some of the best lines...
>
> "Nice knockers!" "Why thank you, Doctor."
>
> "Care for a roll in the hay"?
>
> "Wasn't that hump on the other side?" "What hump?"
He VAASSSSS MY BOYFRIEND! :)
And seriously... Puttin' on the Ritz?
I do love Blazing Saddles, though. I saw Animal House when they were
testing it before release, and they snipped a couple of the funniest
scenes in the movie before release, including one where Dork (played
by Doug Kenney) was pretending to do a quick draw type thing with his
slide rule (remember slide rules?) and another where they explained
how Pinto got his name... :) Porky's was good... Up in Smoke has kind
of become a period piece; interesting, but no longer funny. Speaking
of which, skip Pineapple Express; it's a Seth Rogin-Judd Apatow
attempt to evoke Cheech and Chong... without the humor.
>
>
>
> > Knocked Up was amusing but forgettable. That's typical of many
> > modern comedies. John Hughes did some fun stuff in the 80s.
>
> I can happily forget the Hughes movies.. Breakfast Club, Pretty in
> Pink,
> all the Brat Pack stuff. I liked them then, burned out on them now.
> Except
> maybe Ferris. That one I can still watch.
A few weeks ago, I was flipping back and forth between two HBO
channels. One one side was Breakfast Club, and on the other side was
Juno. I was shocked by how dated Breakfast Club is now, and how much
more interesting Juno was. But as I was watching them, I noticed the
same kind of pacing, and the same faux hipness... meaning Juno will
probably seem as dated 20 years from now as Breakfast Club does now.
Gotta say, though.. ya ain't seen nothing till ya seen Ally Sheedy on
a 42 inch Plasma... sigh... :)
>
>
>
> > As a software engineer, I could totally relate to Office Space. It was a
> > perfect example of the software-geeks-in-cubicles lifestyle. In fact I
> > had to correct a minor unforeseen Y2K bug on Jan 2 2000!
>
> Okay, Office Space was a true classic that was underappreciated and
> still is.
> I bought the disk as soon as it came out.
>
I don't think it was underappreciated by anyone but the studio. They
were surprised when it became a hit on DVD.
>
>
>
> > >> >American cinema is now little more than trash directed at teenagers. I'd
> > >> >much prefer to watch TV
>
> > >> >Among the big questions circulating about the 21st-century film industry
> > >> >are these: why are women in mainstream films so vapid? Why are big names
> > >> >so crucial in securing backing, when they don't secure much in terms of
> > >> >consistency or quality?
>
> > >> I agree with that. Producers continue to make crappy films starring
> > >> has beens like Will Smith, George Clooney and Samuel L Jackson.
>
> > >Has beens?
>
> > >Will Smith has been in one truly bad movie, and that was "Hancock."
>
> > Pursuit of Happiness is the only good flick he's made in the last ten
> > years. Before that the first Men in Black and Enemy of the State were
> > good. But he's grossly overpaid compared to the quality of movie he
> > makes.
>
> As a side note, it is Happyness, not Happiness, but I can see why
> people
> think otherwise. I liked him in quite a few of his movies.
>
Not Hancock. That was the biggest disappointment of the last year. Not
even Charlize Theron could save that one... and Peter Berg has to stop
directing... that's two bad ones in a row, and I like him as an
actor.
>
> > >I
> > >was a George Clooney skeptic when he first started doing movies,
> > >especially after he played Batman. (ick) But he's won me over, big
> > >time. I do prefer him in comedies, though. In the last couple of
> > >years, Leatherheads and Burn After Reading are among my favorite
> > >films.
>
> > I haven't seen those but the movies of his that I've seen were only
> > good because of good screenplays, eg O Brother Where Art Thou?
>
> Clooney has done some good stuff. Leatherheads was amazing. So was the
> political thriller (can't remember the name of it) that he did.
>
Syriana.
But it's his directing chops that surprised me... Confessions of a
Dangerous MInd and Good Night and Good Luck were damn good movies...
Sri Bodhi Prana
> I didn't see The Crying Game either. Somebody told me all I needed
> to know about it in three simple words--"It's a dude."
That is not all that movie was about. You don't seem to be the kind of
person whose advice anyone should take about movies.
Bodhi
4906 Dead, 39 since 1/20/09
Let's not forget "The Addams Family". Most movies based on TV shows are
disasters, but that one had style.
Let's see: just off the top of my head: The Pink Panther, The Producers,
MASH, Dr. Strangelove, The Sting, most of the Monty Python movies (esp.
Life of Brian, Blues Brothers, Raising Arizona, Groundhog Day. All since
Mad(4) World.
I liked Hancock myself.
>
> I've liked most of his films. As for being overpaid, he's not paid based
> on quality; he's paid based on the number of tickets he sells. Same with
> Tom Cruise. If Cruise was paid on his ability to act or the quality of
> his films, he'd be pretty poorly paid, too.
>>
>> >I
>> >was a George Clooney skeptic when he first started doing movies,
>> >especially after he played Batman. (ick) But he's won me over, big
>> >time. I do prefer him in comedies, though. In the last couple of
>> >years, Leatherheads and Burn After Reading are among my favorite
>> >films.
>>
>> I haven't seen those but the movies of his that I've seen were only
>> good because of good screenplays, eg O Brother Where Art Thou?
>
> Well, yeah... it does take a collaborative effort. No actor does it all
> by himself. Where Clooney's surprised me, though, is with the movies
> he's directed. Confessions of a Dangerous Mind and Good Night and Good
> Luck were actually pretty amazing.
Foxtrot
>> >there have been some really good comedies in recent years, although
>> >I've had more than enough of Judd Apatow and Seth Rogin, thanks very
>> >much...
>>
>> Blazing Saddles was a comedy masterpiece, YF was nowhere near
>> as good. Animal House, Porky's, Up In Smoke and a few other
>> noteworthy comedies popped up from time to time.
>
>Aw, come on, Young Frankenstein has some of the best lines...
>
>"Nice knockers!" "Why thank you, Doctor."
>
>"Care for a roll in the hay"?
>
>"Wasn't that hump on the other side?" "What hump?"
Blazing Saddles also had a hilarious scene that could sorta be
updated. Remember when the sheriff was riding into town for the
first time and the old man on top of the building with a scope saw
him before anybody else? Fast forward to today ....
"Hey the new president is a n...<obstructive sounds>...r"
"What did he say?"
"The new president is near!"
Paul Ciszek
In article <felhq4d8in974cihn...@4ax.com>,
During the campaign, someone posted a picture of Obama in Texas sporting
a Stetson, and appended the lyrics to the theme song:
He rode a blazing saddle,
He wore a shining star
His job, to offer battle
To bad men near and far.
He conquered fear and he conquered hate
He turned dark night into day
He made his blazing saddle
A torch to light the way.
It was really quite nice.
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