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Kurt Nicklas
Apr 17, 2013, 6:00:54 PM4/17/13
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Senate rejects background checks on gun purchases in 54-46 vote
By Alexander Bolton - 04/17/13 04:27 PM ET
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/294571-senate-rejects-tougher-background-checks-on-gun-purchases
The Senate delivered a devastating blow to President Obama’s agenda to
regulate guns Wednesday by defeating a bipartisan proposal to expand
background checks.
It failed by a vote of 54 to 46, with five Democrats voting against
it. Only four Republicans supported it.
Democratic Sens. Mark Pryor (Ark.), Max Baucus (Mont.), Heidi Heitkamp
(N.D.), Mark Begich (Alaska) and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid
(Nev.) voted against it. Reid supported the measure but voted against
it to preserve his ability to bring the measure up again.
GOP Sens. John McCain (Ariz.), Susan Collins (Maine), Pat Toomey (Pa.)
and Mark Kirk (Ill.) voted "yes."
The amendment sponsored by Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Toomey
appeared to have political momentum last week.
It would have expanded checks to cover all firearms sales at gun shows
and over the Internet, but would have exempted sales between friends
and acquaintances outside of commercial venues.
Democrats felt confident the compromise could pass once Toomey, a
Republican with an A rating from the National Rifle Association,
signed on. They were caught off guard by the vigorous lobbying
campaign waged by the NRA, which warned lawmakers that Manchin-Toomey
would be a factor in its congressional scorecard.
What appeared to be a likely victory for the president was
resoundingly defeated by the Senate as jittery Democrats facing tough
reelections next year joined nearly the entire Republican conference.
The NRA released a statement immediately after the vote that said the
measure would have "criminalized certain private transfers of firearms
between honest citizens."
"As we have noted previously, expanding background checks, at gun
shows or elsewhere, will not reduce violent crime or keep our kids
safe in their schools," NRA executive director Chris Cox said in a
statement.
Now Democratic leaders will have to overhaul the pending gun control
bill to give it a chance of passing the Senate in diminished form.
The failure of Manchin-Toomey means the broader bill still includes
Democratic language passed by the Judiciary Committee to establish
universal background checks. That language failed to attract a single
Republican vote during the panel markup, and conservative Democrats
such as Manchin and Sen. Jon Tester (D-Mont.) have said they cannot
support the package without changes to the language on background
checks.
The Senate’s failure to expand background checks means the three
pillars of Obama’s gun control agenda have stalled. The chamber is
expected to also reject proposals to ban military-style semi-automatic
weapons and high-capacity ammunition clips.
RELATED ARTICLES
Floor Action: Track other amendment votes
WATCH LIVE: Obama on vote
Progressive groups target Democratic 'no' votes
Gun control and immigration reform are two of the president’s biggest
second-term priorities.
White House officials refused to acknowledge the likely defeat of
Manchin-Toomey right up until the Senate vote.
At the White House briefing on Wednesday, press secretary Jay Carney
told reporters that while they believed passing the legislation “was
always going to be difficult ... we believe there is a path, a very
difficult path, to get to 60 votes.”
A seemingly frustrated Carney railed against NRA-backed lawmakers,
whom he said had spread “a lot of bogus information” about the
amendment on background checks.
Manchin also criticized the NRA, who had given him an A rating, for
distorting the substance of his amendment.
“I was surprised when the latest alerts from the NRA were filled with
so much misinformation about the firearms background check
legislation,” he said.
Manchin said the gun-owners-rights’ group told members the bill would
criminalize the private transfer of firearms.
“I don’t know how to put the words any plainer than this: that is a
lie,” he said.
Manchin and Toomey are likely to see their NRA rating downgraded as a
result of leading the charge to expand background checks.
Obama and Vice President Biden kept their distance from the Manchin-
Toomey in the days leading up to the vote, perhaps fearing their
involvement could scare off potential Republican and conservative
Democratic supporters.
Obama called Begich and Pryor last week, but did not press them hard
on the vote.
“It wasn’t a high-pressure sales job,” Pryor told The Hill on Monday.
Biden traveled to Capitol Hill to preside over the vote. He predicted
Democrats would be able to expand background checks in the future if
they fell short Wednesday.
“I can assure you one thing — we are going to get this eventually. If
we don't get it today we are going to get it eventually,” Biden said.
Reid is mulling his next steps in the wake of the setback.
“I think the leader is trying to figure that out right now. It’s
hugely disappointing that something that 90 percent of the public
wants won’t get 60 votes. The country is in a different place,” said
Sen. Patty Murray (Wash.), the fourth-ranking member of the Senate
Democratic leadership.
A Senate Democratic aide said Democrats are unlikely to rally behind
an alternative proposal to expand background checks.
Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) has proposed legislation that would allow
potential gun buyers to conduct background checks on themselves and
present certification to sellers. Coburn said his plan would give gun
owners comfort that they are not selling firearms to criminals or the
mentally ill.
Coburn said he expected a vote on his amendment on Thursday.
But Democrats and gun control advocates say the Coburn proposal is too
weak because it would not require record-keeping to help law
enforcement prosecute illegal sales and transfers.
A senior Democratic aide said his party will make background checks an
issue in the 2014 midterm election.
“We’ll have an issue where 90 percent of the public is with us,” the
aide said.
But Sen. Charles Schumer (N.Y.), the Senate Democrats’ chief political
strategist — who played a large role in negotiating the bipartisan
compromise on background checks — said the political impact of
Wednesday’s vote remains to be seen.
“I think that America is largely for background checks,” he said. “An
issue like this can end up helping, end up hurting. It depends.”
By Alexander Bolton - 04/17/13 04:27 PM ET
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/294571-senate-rejects-tougher-background-checks-on-gun-purchases
The Senate delivered a devastating blow to President Obama’s agenda to
regulate guns Wednesday by defeating a bipartisan proposal to expand
background checks.
It failed by a vote of 54 to 46, with five Democrats voting against
it. Only four Republicans supported it.
Democratic Sens. Mark Pryor (Ark.), Max Baucus (Mont.), Heidi Heitkamp
(N.D.), Mark Begich (Alaska) and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid
(Nev.) voted against it. Reid supported the measure but voted against
it to preserve his ability to bring the measure up again.
GOP Sens. John McCain (Ariz.), Susan Collins (Maine), Pat Toomey (Pa.)
and Mark Kirk (Ill.) voted "yes."
The amendment sponsored by Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Toomey
appeared to have political momentum last week.
It would have expanded checks to cover all firearms sales at gun shows
and over the Internet, but would have exempted sales between friends
and acquaintances outside of commercial venues.
Democrats felt confident the compromise could pass once Toomey, a
Republican with an A rating from the National Rifle Association,
signed on. They were caught off guard by the vigorous lobbying
campaign waged by the NRA, which warned lawmakers that Manchin-Toomey
would be a factor in its congressional scorecard.
What appeared to be a likely victory for the president was
resoundingly defeated by the Senate as jittery Democrats facing tough
reelections next year joined nearly the entire Republican conference.
The NRA released a statement immediately after the vote that said the
measure would have "criminalized certain private transfers of firearms
between honest citizens."
"As we have noted previously, expanding background checks, at gun
shows or elsewhere, will not reduce violent crime or keep our kids
safe in their schools," NRA executive director Chris Cox said in a
statement.
Now Democratic leaders will have to overhaul the pending gun control
bill to give it a chance of passing the Senate in diminished form.
The failure of Manchin-Toomey means the broader bill still includes
Democratic language passed by the Judiciary Committee to establish
universal background checks. That language failed to attract a single
Republican vote during the panel markup, and conservative Democrats
such as Manchin and Sen. Jon Tester (D-Mont.) have said they cannot
support the package without changes to the language on background
checks.
The Senate’s failure to expand background checks means the three
pillars of Obama’s gun control agenda have stalled. The chamber is
expected to also reject proposals to ban military-style semi-automatic
weapons and high-capacity ammunition clips.
RELATED ARTICLES
Floor Action: Track other amendment votes
WATCH LIVE: Obama on vote
Progressive groups target Democratic 'no' votes
Gun control and immigration reform are two of the president’s biggest
second-term priorities.
White House officials refused to acknowledge the likely defeat of
Manchin-Toomey right up until the Senate vote.
At the White House briefing on Wednesday, press secretary Jay Carney
told reporters that while they believed passing the legislation “was
always going to be difficult ... we believe there is a path, a very
difficult path, to get to 60 votes.”
A seemingly frustrated Carney railed against NRA-backed lawmakers,
whom he said had spread “a lot of bogus information” about the
amendment on background checks.
Manchin also criticized the NRA, who had given him an A rating, for
distorting the substance of his amendment.
“I was surprised when the latest alerts from the NRA were filled with
so much misinformation about the firearms background check
legislation,” he said.
Manchin said the gun-owners-rights’ group told members the bill would
criminalize the private transfer of firearms.
“I don’t know how to put the words any plainer than this: that is a
lie,” he said.
Manchin and Toomey are likely to see their NRA rating downgraded as a
result of leading the charge to expand background checks.
Obama and Vice President Biden kept their distance from the Manchin-
Toomey in the days leading up to the vote, perhaps fearing their
involvement could scare off potential Republican and conservative
Democratic supporters.
Obama called Begich and Pryor last week, but did not press them hard
on the vote.
“It wasn’t a high-pressure sales job,” Pryor told The Hill on Monday.
Biden traveled to Capitol Hill to preside over the vote. He predicted
Democrats would be able to expand background checks in the future if
they fell short Wednesday.
“I can assure you one thing — we are going to get this eventually. If
we don't get it today we are going to get it eventually,” Biden said.
Reid is mulling his next steps in the wake of the setback.
“I think the leader is trying to figure that out right now. It’s
hugely disappointing that something that 90 percent of the public
wants won’t get 60 votes. The country is in a different place,” said
Sen. Patty Murray (Wash.), the fourth-ranking member of the Senate
Democratic leadership.
A Senate Democratic aide said Democrats are unlikely to rally behind
an alternative proposal to expand background checks.
Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) has proposed legislation that would allow
potential gun buyers to conduct background checks on themselves and
present certification to sellers. Coburn said his plan would give gun
owners comfort that they are not selling firearms to criminals or the
mentally ill.
Coburn said he expected a vote on his amendment on Thursday.
But Democrats and gun control advocates say the Coburn proposal is too
weak because it would not require record-keeping to help law
enforcement prosecute illegal sales and transfers.
A senior Democratic aide said his party will make background checks an
issue in the 2014 midterm election.
“We’ll have an issue where 90 percent of the public is with us,” the
aide said.
But Sen. Charles Schumer (N.Y.), the Senate Democrats’ chief political
strategist — who played a large role in negotiating the bipartisan
compromise on background checks — said the political impact of
Wednesday’s vote remains to be seen.
“I think that America is largely for background checks,” he said. “An
issue like this can end up helping, end up hurting. It depends.”
Steve
Apr 17, 2013, 6:03:00 PM4/17/13
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On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:00:54 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
<kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Senate rejects background checks on gun purchases in 54-46 vote
>By Alexander Bolton - 04/17/13 04:27 PM ET
>
>http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/294571-senate-rejects-tougher-background-checks-on-gun-purchases
>
>The Senate delivered a devastating blow to President Obama�s agenda to
>regulate guns Wednesday by defeating a bipartisan proposal to expand
>background checks.
IOW, don't mess with the Constitution.
<kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Senate rejects background checks on gun purchases in 54-46 vote
>By Alexander Bolton - 04/17/13 04:27 PM ET
>
>http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/294571-senate-rejects-tougher-background-checks-on-gun-purchases
>
>The Senate delivered a devastating blow to President Obama�s agenda to
>regulate guns Wednesday by defeating a bipartisan proposal to expand
>background checks.
Davej
Apr 17, 2013, 6:15:43 PM4/17/13
to
On Apr 17, 5:00 pm, Kurt Nicklas <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Senate rejects background checks on gun purchases in 54-46 vote
> [...]
> Senate rejects background checks on gun purchases in 54-46 vote
>
Yeah, we need more guns and more bombs. I'm sure the NRA will support
this.
Matt
Apr 17, 2013, 6:44:28 PM4/17/13
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Kurt Nicklas <kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:7182962d-a573-4f49...@e5g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:
Yes, he does.
We'll have an all-Democratic Senate and House in a year.
Excellent!
Matt
news:7182962d-a573-4f49...@e5g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:
Yes, he does.
We'll have an all-Democratic Senate and House in a year.
Excellent!
Matt
Steve
Apr 17, 2013, 6:58:19 PM4/17/13
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Here's matt's ignorant claims...
"Steve, are you saying that the NT 5.1 in your header
refers to your OPERATING SYSTEM?
--Matt Telles
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/79a81af7d0288a0b?hl=en
Jason
Apr 17, 2013, 9:42:47 PM4/17/13
to
In article <XnsA1A5AACCB324Ema...@78.46.70.116>, Matt
In a major political game,
Obama scores 0
NRA scores 1
Victor: NRA
Looser: Obama
Obama scores 0
NRA scores 1
Victor: NRA
Looser: Obama
Matt
Apr 17, 2013, 8:54:13 PM4/17/13
to
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in news:Jason-1704131842480001@67-150-
123-141.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> In article <XnsA1A5AACCB324Ema...@78.46.70.116>, Matt
> <mattt...@sprynet.com> wrote:
>
>> Kurt Nicklas <kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:7182962d-a573-4f49-b4f1-6e598ae73bd2
Matt
123-141.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> In article <XnsA1A5AACCB324Ema...@78.46.70.116>, Matt
> <mattt...@sprynet.com> wrote:
>
>> Kurt Nicklas <kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote in
@e5g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>> Yes, he does.
>>
>> We'll have an all-Democratic Senate and House in a year.
>>
>> Excellent!
>>
>> Matt
>
> In a major political game,
>
> Obama scores 0
>
> NRA scores 1
>
> Victor: NRA
>
> Looser: Obama
>
>
>
What is he looser than?
>>
>>
>> Yes, he does.
>>
>> We'll have an all-Democratic Senate and House in a year.
>>
>> Excellent!
>>
>> Matt
>
> In a major political game,
>
> Obama scores 0
>
> NRA scores 1
>
> Victor: NRA
>
> Looser: Obama
>
>
>
Matt
Jeanne Douglas
Apr 17, 2013, 9:15:46 PM4/17/13
to
In article
<Jason-17041...@67-150-123-141.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Loser: The American people.
--
JD
"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
<Jason-17041...@67-150-123-141.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
--
JD
"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
nature bats_last
Apr 17, 2013, 10:07:18 PM4/17/13
to
On Apr 17, 5:42 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <XnsA1A5AACCB324Ematttellessprynet...@78.46.70.116>, Matt
>
> <matttel...@sprynet.com> wrote:
> > Kurt Nicklas <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote in
"Support for universal background checks went
across party lines: 89 percent of Republicans and
93 percent of Democrats and independents were in
favor, as well as 93 percent of gun households and
85 percent of those living in a household with a
member of the National Rifle Association."
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-57564386-10391739/9-in-10-back-universal-gun-background-checks/
NBL
> In article <XnsA1A5AACCB324Ematttellessprynet...@78.46.70.116>, Matt
>
> <matttel...@sprynet.com> wrote:
> > Kurt Nicklas <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >news:7182962d-a573-4f49...@e5g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Yes, he does.
>
> > We'll have an all-Democratic Senate and House in a year.
>
> > Excellent!
>
> > Matt
>
;
> In a major political game,
> Obama scores 0
> NRA scores 1
> Victor: NRA
> Looser: Obama
Additional losers -- these folks:
>
> > Yes, he does.
>
> > We'll have an all-Democratic Senate and House in a year.
>
> > Excellent!
>
> > Matt
>
;
> In a major political game,
> Obama scores 0
> NRA scores 1
> Victor: NRA
> Looser: Obama
"Support for universal background checks went
across party lines: 89 percent of Republicans and
93 percent of Democrats and independents were in
favor, as well as 93 percent of gun households and
85 percent of those living in a household with a
member of the National Rifle Association."
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-57564386-10391739/9-in-10-back-universal-gun-background-checks/
NBL
kni...@baawa.com
Apr 17, 2013, 11:04:08 PM4/17/13
to
You think you have something to say so you start off by calling the
president 'buckwheat'.
Idiot. You are disqualified as a serious posters. However, you are
a serious racist scum.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
president 'buckwheat'.
Idiot. You are disqualified as a serious posters. However, you are
a serious racist scum.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
Olrik
Apr 17, 2013, 11:31:52 PM4/17/13
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Le 2013-04-17 18:00, Kurt Nicklas a �crit :
--
Olrik
aa #1981
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
> Senate rejects background checks on gun purchases in 54-46 vote
I hope you don't have children. Or anyone you care about.
--
Olrik
aa #1981
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
Jason
Apr 18, 2013, 1:19:54 AM4/18/13
to
In article
<5259cafc-9ff0-42bf...@di5g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
nature bats_last <seqk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-57564386-10391739/9-in-10-back-u=
> niversal-gun-background-checks/
>
>
> NBL
The leader of the senate (a liberal democrat) voted against it.
We stopped Obama from going from stage 1 to stage 2.
That means Obama will not be able to get to the last stage which is to
make it illegal for any Americans to legally own any types of guns.
<5259cafc-9ff0-42bf...@di5g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
nature bats_last <seqk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> niversal-gun-background-checks/
>
>
> NBL
The leader of the senate (a liberal democrat) voted against it.
We stopped Obama from going from stage 1 to stage 2.
That means Obama will not be able to get to the last stage which is to
make it illegal for any Americans to legally own any types of guns.
Dakota
Apr 18, 2013, 1:56:05 AM4/18/13
to
On 4/17/2013 10:31 PM, Olrik wrote:
> Le 2013-04-17 18:00, Kurt Nicklas a �crit :
>> Senate rejects background checks on gun purchases in 54-46 vote
>
> I hope you don't have children. Or anyone you care about.
>
I hope he doesn't breed.
> Le 2013-04-17 18:00, Kurt Nicklas a �crit :
>> Senate rejects background checks on gun purchases in 54-46 vote
>
> I hope you don't have children. Or anyone you care about.
>
Jeanne Douglas
Apr 18, 2013, 2:00:36 AM4/18/13
to
In article
<Jason-17041...@66-53-223-113.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Who the fuck are you talking about.
> We stopped Obama from going from stage 1 to stage 2.
Why do you think this is over?
> That means Obama will not be able to get to the last stage which is to
> make it illegal for any Americans to legally own any types of guns.
You mean your imaginary paranoid fantasy that's a lie?
<Jason-17041...@66-53-223-113.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> We stopped Obama from going from stage 1 to stage 2.
> That means Obama will not be able to get to the last stage which is to
> make it illegal for any Americans to legally own any types of guns.
MarkA
Apr 18, 2013, 9:35:35 AM4/18/13
to
On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:00:54 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
> Senate rejects background checks on gun purchases in 54-46 vote By
> Alexander Bolton - 04/17/13 04:27 PM ET
>
More like the American people, as always, get the government they deserve.
> Senate rejects background checks on gun purchases in 54-46 vote By
> Alexander Bolton - 04/17/13 04:27 PM ET
>
It's nice to know our freedom to be terrorized by people who can't buy
guns legally but can still buy them at a gun show has been vigorously
defended!
--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock
duke
Apr 18, 2013, 2:57:07 PM4/18/13
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On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:04:08 -0700, kni...@baawa.com wrote:
>On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:00:54 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
><kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You think you have something to say so you start off by calling the
>president 'buckwheat'.
He's a black clown. Why not?
>On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:00:54 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
><kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You think you have something to say so you start off by calling the
>president 'buckwheat'.
> Idiot. You are disqualified as a serious posters. However, you are
>a serious racist scum.
The dukester, American - American
********************************************
Repeal Obama
You simply can't fix stupid.
********************************************
duke
Apr 18, 2013, 2:58:19 PM4/18/13
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On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:35:35 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:00:54 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>
>> Senate rejects background checks on gun purchases in 54-46 vote By
>> Alexander Bolton - 04/17/13 04:27 PM ET
>>
>
>More like the American people, as always, get the government they deserve.
>It's nice to know our freedom to be terrorized by people who can't buy
>guns legally but can still buy them at a gun show has been vigorously
>defended!
They.........ARE legal at a gun show. The illegal guns are the ones that are
>On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:00:54 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>
>> Senate rejects background checks on gun purchases in 54-46 vote By
>> Alexander Bolton - 04/17/13 04:27 PM ET
>>
>
>More like the American people, as always, get the government they deserve.
>It's nice to know our freedom to be terrorized by people who can't buy
>guns legally but can still buy them at a gun show has been vigorously
>defended!
stolen regardless of the name on the purchase order. Think Newtown.
Jason
Apr 18, 2013, 6:10:44 PM4/18/13
to
Irreverend Dave
Apr 18, 2013, 5:20:39 PM4/18/13
to
criminals?
>
> That means Obama will not be able to get to the last stage which is to
> make it illegal for any Americans to legally own any types of guns.
--
Men become civilized, not in proportion to their willingness to believe,
but in proportion to their readiness to doubt - Ambrose Bierce
Syd M.
Apr 18, 2013, 5:36:55 PM4/18/13
to
On Apr 18, 5:10 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <hlwdjsd2-2A3211.23003517042...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <Jason-1704132219550...@66-53-223-113.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > <5259cafc-9ff0-42bf-8777-5fef8c68f...@di5g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
No, you don't.
You think you know, but that's bullshit.
PDW
> In article <hlwdjsd2-2A3211.23003517042...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne
>
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> Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <Jason-1704132219550...@66-53-223-113.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > <5259cafc-9ff0-42bf-8777-5fef8c68f...@di5g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
You think you know, but that's bullshit.
PDW
Don Kresch
Apr 18, 2013, 6:57:39 PM4/18/13
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On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:35:35 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid>
scrawled in blood:
>On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:00:54 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>
>> Senate rejects background checks on gun purchases in 54-46 vote By
>> Alexander Bolton - 04/17/13 04:27 PM ET
>>
>
>More like the American people, as always, get the government they deserve.
government. Same with the North Koreans. The estimate for the private
ownership of firearms in North Korea is somewhere around 130k.
Contrast that with the nearly 12.5 million the North Korean government
has.
How well do the North Koreans have it?
Don
aa#51, Knight of BAAWA, Jedi Slackmaster
Praise "Bob" or burn in Slacklessness trying not to.
Jeanne Douglas
Apr 18, 2013, 7:15:13 PM4/18/13
to
In article
<Jason-18041...@67-150-120-233.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
That's a blatant and disgusting lie.
Since the only way to "know Obama's end goal" would be to read his mind,
your statement can ONLY be a lie.
<Jason-18041...@67-150-120-233.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Since the only way to "know Obama's end goal" would be to read his mind,
your statement can ONLY be a lie.
Kurt Nicklas
Apr 18, 2013, 10:15:24 PM4/18/13
to
On Apr 18, 7:15 pm, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> In article
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> > In article <hlwdjsd2-2A3211.23003517042...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne
> > Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
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> > In article <hlwdjsd2-2A3211.23003517042...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne
> > Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
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Pathetic
Jason
Apr 19, 2013, 12:34:23 AM4/19/13
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In article <hlwdjsd2-55A69F...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne
We have had to deal with other gun grabbers so we know how they think.
They all seem to think alike.
They all seem to think alike.
nature bats last
Apr 18, 2013, 11:37:05 PM4/18/13
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Yes he did. Do you know why? If you do know why, but
still pretend he did it because he was against the bill, then
you're a liar.
And if you don't know why, then you're ignorant and
should be quiet and learn from those here better
informed than you.
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ignorance...
Obama does not want to outlaw guns. And if he did, the
Constitution does not allow anything remotely
approaching that to come to pass. That's not what
anyone, including the Republicans who voted in
favor, were trying to accomplish.
But if wrapping yourself in an unearned and frankly
absurd mantle of non-existent persecution makes you
feel all wriggly, then you go right ahead.
But don't expect the grown-ups to pay much attention,
let alone take you seriously.
Oh, and to repeat myself:
"Support for universal background checks went
across party lines: 89 percent of Republicans and
93 percent of Democrats and independents were in
favor, as well as 93 percent of gun households and
85 percent of those living in a household with a
member of the National Rifle Association."
NBL
still pretend he did it because he was against the bill, then
you're a liar.
And if you don't know why, then you're ignorant and
should be quiet and learn from those here better
informed than you.
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> We stopped Obama from going from stage 1 to stage 2.
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> That means Obama will not be able to get to the last stage which is to
> make it illegal for any Americans to legally own any types of guns.
Wow...such a combination of absurd paranoia and sad sad
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> That means Obama will not be able to get to the last stage which is to
> make it illegal for any Americans to legally own any types of guns.
ignorance...
Obama does not want to outlaw guns. And if he did, the
Constitution does not allow anything remotely
approaching that to come to pass. That's not what
anyone, including the Republicans who voted in
favor, were trying to accomplish.
But if wrapping yourself in an unearned and frankly
absurd mantle of non-existent persecution makes you
feel all wriggly, then you go right ahead.
But don't expect the grown-ups to pay much attention,
let alone take you seriously.
Oh, and to repeat myself:
"Support for universal background checks went
across party lines: 89 percent of Republicans and
93 percent of Democrats and independents were in
favor, as well as 93 percent of gun households and
85 percent of those living in a household with a
member of the National Rifle Association."
Jason
Apr 19, 2013, 12:38:45 AM4/19/13
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In article
<a5fd388b-a908-47e2...@q6g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, Kurt
Nicklas <kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 18, 7:15=A0pm, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <Jason-1804131510440...@67-150-120-233.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
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> > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > In article <hlwdjsd2-2A3211.23003517042...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne
> > > Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > <Jason-1704132219550...@66-53-223-113.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > <5259cafc-9ff0-42bf-8777-5fef8c68f...@di5g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>=
> > > > > > On Apr 17, 5:42=3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > In article <XnsA1A5AACCB324Ematttellessprynet...@78.46.70.116>,=
> > > > > > =A0 =A0 across party lines: 89 percent of Republicans and
> > > > > > =A0 =A0 93 percent of Democrats and independents were in
> > > > > > =A0 =A0 favor, as well as 93 percent of gun households and
> > > > > > =A0 =A0 85 percent of those living in a household with a
> > > > > > =A0 =A0 member of the National Rifle Association."
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> > >http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-57564386-10391739/9-in-10-back-u=
> =3D
socialist like the socialist leaders of various European countries. Read
this:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism>
<a5fd388b-a908-47e2...@q6g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, Kurt
Nicklas <kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 18, 7:15=A0pm, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <Jason-1804131510440...@67-150-120-233.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
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> > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > In article <hlwdjsd2-2A3211.23003517042...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne
> > > Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > <Jason-1704132219550...@66-53-223-113.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > > On Apr 17, 5:42=3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > In article <XnsA1A5AACCB324Ematttellessprynet...@78.46.70.116>,=
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> > > > > > > <matttel...@sprynet.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Kurt Nicklas <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote in
> > > > > > > >news:7182962d-a573-4f49...@e5g2000yqa.googlegro=
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> > > > > > > <matttel...@sprynet.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Kurt Nicklas <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote in
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> > > > > > > > Yes, he does.
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> > > > > > > > We'll have an all-Democratic Senate and House in a year.
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> > > > > > > In a major political game,
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> > > > > > > NRA scores 1
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> > > > > > > Looser: Obama
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> > > > > > Additional losers -- these folks:
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> > > > > > > > We'll have an all-Democratic Senate and House in a year.
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> > > > > > > In a major political game,
> > > > > > > Obama scores 0
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> > > > > > =A0 =A0 across party lines: 89 percent of Republicans and
> > > > > > =A0 =A0 93 percent of Democrats and independents were in
> > > > > > =A0 =A0 favor, as well as 93 percent of gun households and
> > > > > > =A0 =A0 85 percent of those living in a household with a
> > > > > > =A0 =A0 member of the National Rifle Association."
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> > >http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-57564386-10391739/9-in-10-back-u=
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> > > > > > niversal-gun-background-checks/
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> > > > > The leader of the senate (a liberal democrat) voted against it.
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> > > > Who the fuck are you talking about.
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> > > > > We stopped Obama from going from stage 1 to stage 2.
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> > > > Why do you think this is over?
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> > > > > That means Obama will not be able to get to the last stage which is=
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> > > > > The leader of the senate (a liberal democrat) voted against it.
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> > > > Who the fuck are you talking about.
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> > > > > We stopped Obama from going from stage 1 to stage 2.
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> > > > Why do you think this is over?
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> > > > > make it illegal for any Americans to legally own any types of guns.
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> > > > You mean your imaginary paranoid fantasy that's a lie?
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> > > We know Obama's end goal.
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> > That's a blatant and disgusting lie.
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> > Since the only way to "know Obama's end goal" would be to read his mind,
> > your statement can ONLY be a lie.
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> You don't know his goals and yet you voted for him.
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> Pathetic
I have NEVER voted for Obama since I know that he is a democratic
> > > > > make it illegal for any Americans to legally own any types of guns.
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> > > > You mean your imaginary paranoid fantasy that's a lie?
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> > > We know Obama's end goal.
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> > That's a blatant and disgusting lie.
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> > Since the only way to "know Obama's end goal" would be to read his mind,
> > your statement can ONLY be a lie.
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> You don't know his goals and yet you voted for him.
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> Pathetic
socialist like the socialist leaders of various European countries. Read
this:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism>
Jeanne Douglas
Apr 19, 2013, 1:18:36 AM4/19/13
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Jeanne Douglas
Apr 19, 2013, 1:22:10 AM4/19/13
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In article <Jason-18041...@66-53-218-83.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
We're all still waiting for you to provide even one shred of evidence
that Obama wants to take away Americans' guns.
that Obama wants to take away Americans' guns.
Jeanne Douglas
Apr 19, 2013, 1:23:14 AM4/19/13
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In article <Jason-18041...@66-53-218-83.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
That's a ridiculous bullshit attempt at argument. And you know it's
bullshit.
bullshit.
Jason
Apr 19, 2013, 2:38:20 AM4/19/13
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In article <hlwdjsd2-C6CF58...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne
Be patient--it will happen within the next two years.
Jeanne Douglas
Apr 19, 2013, 3:20:24 AM4/19/13
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No, don't waste my time. You're basing it on the lies that you've been
told and that you believe. Why you believe the lies is beyond me and
since you refuse to acknowledge all the evidence proving them to be
lies, there's no way to find out why you allowed your thought processes
to be hijacked so completely.
Free Lunch
Apr 19, 2013, 1:58:01 PM4/19/13
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On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 21:38:45 -0700, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:
>In article
><a5fd388b-a908-47e2...@q6g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, Kurt
>Nicklas <kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Apr 18, 7:15=A0pm, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
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do you support and how do you want to deal with the evils that it
causes?
alt.atheism:
>In article
><a5fd388b-a908-47e2...@q6g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, Kurt
>Nicklas <kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Apr 18, 7:15=A0pm, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>> > That's a blatant and disgusting lie.
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>> > Since the only way to "know Obama's end goal" would be to read his mind,
>> > your statement can ONLY be a lie.
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>> You don't know his goals and yet you voted for him.
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>> Pathetic
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>I have NEVER voted for Obama since I know that he is a democratic
>socialist like the socialist leaders of various European countries. Read
>this:
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><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism>
Not that you have any idea what you are talking about, but what system
>> >
>> > Since the only way to "know Obama's end goal" would be to read his mind,
>> > your statement can ONLY be a lie.
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>> You don't know his goals and yet you voted for him.
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>> Pathetic
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>I have NEVER voted for Obama since I know that he is a democratic
>socialist like the socialist leaders of various European countries. Read
>this:
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><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism>
do you support and how do you want to deal with the evils that it
causes?
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