The Draft Dodge

[Milt]

On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, Mark Edward Balcom wrote:

:Terry Coppage wrote:

:> Limba's "medical deferrment" was a dirty ass.
:
:And this "fact" is based on what? By the way, I knew a number of guys
:who's medical defferments were based on family physician examinations in
:those years.

Of course, not everyone had a father who was a judge, and who had
political connections...

Tell you the truth, this stupid issue just needs to go away. Only 2% of
all eligible men were ever drafted, and to say that one "dodged" it
because he used a deferment, whether "legit" or not is a strawman, because
even without the deferments, most of these people wouldn't have gone.

If you guys agree to stop calling Clinton and others "draft dodgers",
we'll stop pointing out the literally hundreds of Republicans who dodged
the draft, too. Deal?

--Milt
http://www.u.arizona.edu/~mshook

"We are taught to believe that there's an invisible man, who lives in the
sky, who has a list of ten things he doesn't want you to do, who watches
you every minute, and if you do something he doesn't like, you're going to
burn forever. YET HE LOVES YOU!"
--George Carlin, on Politically Incorect, May 29, 1997

[K. Knopp]

In article
<Pine.A32.3.93.970707...@mustique.u.arizona.edu>, Milt
<msh...@U.Arizona.EDU> wrote:

> On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, Mark Edward Balcom wrote:
>
> :Terry Coppage wrote:
>
> :> Limba's "medical deferrment" was a dirty ass.
> :
> :And this "fact" is based on what? By the way, I knew a number of guys
> :who's medical defferments were based on family physician examinations in
> :those years.
>
> Of course, not everyone had a father who was a judge, and who had
> political connections...
>
> Tell you the truth, this stupid issue just needs to go away. Only 2% of
> all eligible men were ever drafted, and to say that one "dodged" it
> because he used a deferment, whether "legit" or not is a strawman, because
> even without the deferments, most of these people wouldn't have gone.
>
> If you guys agree to stop calling Clinton and others "draft dodgers",
> we'll stop pointing out the literally hundreds of Republicans who dodged
> the draft, too. Deal?

I will as soon as the guy who Clinton wrote requesting to go to the ROTC
stops it. Besides, who many of those people who "dodged" the draft then
went on to request that the be put in charge of the military? Especially
after expressing "loathing" for it.

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[Gary Lantz]

kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:
>In article
><Pine.A32.3.93.970707...@mustique.u.arizona.edu>, Milt
><msh...@U.Arizona.EDU> wrote:
>> On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, Mark Edward Balcom wrote:
>> :Terry Coppage wrote:
>> :> Limba's "medical deferrment" was a dirty ass.
>> :And this "fact" is based on what? By the way, I knew a number of guys
>> :who's medical defferments were based on family physician examinations in those years.
>> Of course, not everyone had a father who was a judge, and who had
>> political connections...
>> Tell you the truth, this stupid issue just needs to go away. Only 2% of all eligible men were ever drafted, and to say that one "dodged" it
>> because he used a deferment, whether "legit" or not is a strawman, because even without the deferments, most of these people wouldn't have gone.

Again Mark and the Dumboheads do not let the facts get in their way and
make up whatever suits what they want to say, they get that right from
the playbook of the Fatman. The above (2%) statement is absolutely
false. If you are going to lie Mark, then make it a little more
believeable. If there is anything worse than a liar, it is a bad liar,
that is what makes the Fatman so distasteful. We could understand if
you idiots were taken in by someone that is a good con man. But the
fatman has so many facts wrong mixed with so many lies that it is obvious
to anyone with an IQ over 85.

>>
>> If you guys agree to stop calling Clinton and others "draft dodgers",
>> we'll stop pointing out the literally hundreds of Republicans who dodged
>> the draft, too. Deal?
>
> I will as soon as the guy who Clinton wrote requesting to go to the ROTC
>stops it. Besides, who many of those people who "dodged" the draft then
>went on to request that the be put in charge of the military? Especially
>after expressing "loathing" for it.
>
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[HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.]

K. Knopp (kkn...@citynet.ha.net) wrote:
: In article
: <Pine.A32.3.93.970707...@mustique.u.arizona.edu>, Milt
: <msh...@U.Arizona.EDU> wrote:

: > On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, Mark Edward Balcom wrote:
: >
: > :Terry Coppage wrote:
: >
: > :> Limba's "medical deferrment" was a dirty ass.
: > :
: > :And this "fact" is based on what? By the way, I knew a number of guys
: > :who's medical defferments were based on family physician examinations in
: > :those years.
: >
: > Of course, not everyone had a father who was a judge, and who had
: > political connections...
: >
: > Tell you the truth, this stupid issue just needs to go away. Only 2% of
: > all eligible men were ever drafted, and to say that one "dodged" it
: > because he used a deferment, whether "legit" or not is a strawman, because
: > even without the deferments, most of these people wouldn't have gone.

: >
: > If you guys agree to stop calling Clinton and others "draft dodgers",

: > we'll stop pointing out the literally hundreds of Republicans who dodged
: > the draft, too. Deal?

: I will as soon as the guy who Clinton wrote requesting to go to the ROTC
: stops it. Besides, who many of those people who "dodged" the draft then
: went on to request that the be put in charge of the military?

Let's see. There's Quayle, Forbes, Gramm, Kemp, Buchanan, and Noot
certainly would if he could. We don't even know who will run in 2000, but
chances are there will be a GOP chicken hawk in the race.

Next question?

: Especially

: after expressing "loathing" for it.

When are you going to stop lying about this?

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[woof]

In article <kknopp-ya02408000...@news.citynet.net>,
kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:

> I will as soon as the guy who Clinton wrote requesting to go to the ROTC
> stops it. Besides, who many of those people who "dodged" the draft then

> went on to request that the be put in charge of the military? Especially

> after expressing "loathing" for it.

Clinton was AGAINST THE WAR and avoided the draft.

Quayle, Gingrich, Limbaugh, Kemp, etc... were -FOR THE WAR- as long as
OTHERS went and not them.

Do you understand the difference?

--
woof - so I don't get any more SPAM!!!

[woof]

In article <kknopp-ya02408000...@news.citynet.net>,
kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:

> I will as soon as the guy who Clinton wrote requesting to go to the ROTC
> stops it. Besides, who many of those people who "dodged" the draft then
> went on to request that the be put in charge of the military? Especially
> after expressing "loathing" for it.

Could you please BACK UP your statement about Clinton "loathing" the military?

I think that you -KNOW- that you are repeating a lie. And what does that
say about YOU?

[Milt]

On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, The Centurion wrote:

:In article <kknopp-ya02408000...@news.citynet.net>,
: kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:
:>In article

:> I will as soon as the guy who Clinton wrote requesting to go to the

:ROTC
:>stops it. Besides, who many of those people who "dodged" the draft
:then
:>went on to request that the be put in charge of the military?
:Especially
:>after expressing "loathing" for it.

:
Well, lessee...
We had one who, for four years was a heartbeat away from that position. We
now have one that is two heartbeats away from it. Are you, Knopp, about to
use the same standards should either Danny "daddy got me into the national
guard" Quayle or Newt "can I stay in college so's I can get a deferment,
please oh please????" Gingrich run for president?
Because they were actively IN FAVOR of the war, and actively tried to get
out of it. Now, I don't have a dictionary in front of me, but the word
hypocrisy is coming to mind about now. Oh yeah. And the word
"chickenhawk". Perhaps your familiar with the term...

:Well said! Rush Limbaugh cannot TAX you...cannot JAIL you....cannot
:KILL you and cannot order you off to kill OTHERS! Slick Willy can do
:and has DONE ALL of these!

Lessee what a moke this here Centurion is, shall we? Bill Clinton cannot
tax you. That takes Congress AND the president to pull off. And Bill
Clinton cannot jail anyone. That takes a judge and/or a jury. And I would
venture to say that a president cannot kill anyone legally. And as for
sending you off to kill others, well, are you in the military? If not,
then he can't, unless the draft is reinstated, which would take that pesky
Congress again.

Look, you asshole! Clinton was elected by the American people. You don;t
have to like it, and you don't have to agree with it. But you do have to
accept it. Think about it; the people of the US elected him president,
even though he actively tried to get out of the Vietnam war. MOST people
DID!!! Did you ever wonder why black people made up about 12% of the
population then, but nearly 45% of the fighting force? It was because
every white person with even a slight connection was trying to get their
kid or their friend's kid out of the goddamned draft. It was a sign of the
times, and it is irrelevant 30 years later. I'm telling you; if you want
to make this an issue, then it WILL come up and bite you in the ass. Think
about this; a possible presidential race between Al Gore and Dan Quayle.
NOW, how do you fell about the issue, dumbass???

:Of course libocrit DemoRATS are too
:STUPID to see the difference between a talk show host and the
:malignancy at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
:
No, that's the point, you asshole! There's a LOT of difference, and the
edge in credibility, class and brains sure as shit goes to the president.

[Milt]

On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Rednek wrote:

Ol' Rednek tried real hard to trim this to only go to the Limbaugh groups.
Kinda easy preaching to the choir, ain't it, Rednek? Funny how you use
this post to call liberals chickenshit, but you're too chickenshit to post
it where we will see it...

:woof wrote:
:
:>
:>
:> Clinton was AGAINST THE WAR and avoided the draft.

:>
:> Quayle, Gingrich, Limbaugh, Kemp, etc... were -FOR THE WAR- as long as
:>
:> OTHERS went and not them.
:>
:> Do you understand the difference?
:>
:> --

Yeah-- Clinton had the credibility to stick to his guns. The others? Well,
does the word "chickenhawk" mean anything to you?

:I remember the '60s. Guys sat around smoking a joint and saying "war is
:a bad trip, man."
:
:English translation: I'm chickenshit, and too lazy to run to Canada.

I remember the 60's too. If you were white, and had either a little bit of
money, or knew someone, you didn't go. If you were newtie or Rush or
Gramm, you either took some classes you didn't need or got daddy to give
someone a note to get out of it.

English translation; I'm a hypocrite. I'm all for this war, as long as the
only people who have to go are poor whites, hispanics and blacks, and I
don't have to go...
:
:Of course I'm not talking about our chief executive. He didn't inhale.
:
Well, rednek didn't have to go, since one has to demonstrate a measurable
IQ...

:Rednek
:
No shit...

[George Grapman]

Does that mean you oppose future presidential campaigns by
Buchanan,Quayle, Gingrich and Armey?

The Centurion wrote:
> Well said! Rush Limbaugh cannot TAX you...cannot JAIL you....cannot
> KILL you and cannot order you off to kill OTHERS! Slick Willy can do

> and has DONE ALL of these! Of course libocrit DemoRATS are too

[jer...@creighton.edu]

On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, Milt wrote:

> On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, Mark Edward Balcom wrote:
>
> :Terry Coppage wrote:
>
> :> Limba's "medical deferrment" was a dirty ass.
> :
> :And this "fact" is based on what? By the way, I knew a number of guys
> :who's medical defferments were based on family physician examinations in
> :those years.
>
> Of course, not everyone had a father who was a judge, and who had
> political connections...
>
> Tell you the truth, this stupid issue just needs to go away. Only 2% of
> all eligible men were ever drafted, and to say that one "dodged" it
> because he used a deferment, whether "legit" or not is a strawman, because
> even without the deferments, most of these people wouldn't have gone.

Great point. Besides, if you were in combat, would you want your G.I.
Joe friend next to you to be a flat blimp like Rush? I dont think so.

[The Centurion]

In article <kknopp-ya02408000...@news.citynet.net>,
kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:
>In article
><Pine.A32.3.93.970707...@mustique.u.arizona.edu>,
Milt

><msh...@U.Arizona.EDU> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, Mark Edward Balcom wrote:
>>
>> :Terry Coppage wrote:
>>
>> :> Limba's "medical deferrment" was a dirty ass.
>> :
>> :And this "fact" is based on what? By the way, I knew a number of
guys
>> :who's medical defferments were based on family physician
examinations in
>> :those years.
>>
>> Of course, not everyone had a father who was a judge, and who had
>> political connections...
>>
>> Tell you the truth, this stupid issue just needs to go away. Only
2% of
>> all eligible men were ever drafted, and to say that one "dodged"
it
>> because he used a deferment, whether "legit" or not is a strawman,
because
>> even without the deferments, most of these people wouldn't have
gone.
>>

>> If you guys agree to stop calling Clinton and others "draft
dodgers",
>> we'll stop pointing out the literally hundreds of Republicans who
dodged
>> the draft, too. Deal?
>
> I will as soon as the guy who Clinton wrote requesting to go to the
ROTC
>stops it. Besides, who many of those people who "dodged" the draft
then
>went on to request that the be put in charge of the military?
Especially
>after expressing "loathing" for it.
>

Well said! Rush Limbaugh cannot TAX you...cannot JAIL you....cannot

KILL you and cannot order you off to kill OTHERS! Slick Willy can do
and has DONE ALL of these! Of course libocrit DemoRATS are too
STUPID to see the difference between a talk show host and the
malignancy at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

--
AVE ATQVE VALE
CENTVRIO
(E-mail address modified to foil spambots.
Remove the extra "home" for the true address!)

[K. Knopp]

hkil...@osf1.gmu.edu (HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.) wrote:

K. Knopp (kkn...@citynet.ha.net) wrote:
: In article
: <Pine.A32.3.93.970707...@mustique.u.arizona.edu>, Milt
: <msh...@U.Arizona.EDU> wrote:

<SNIP>

> : > If you guys agree to stop calling Clinton and others "draft dodgers",

> : > we'll stop pointing out the literally hundreds of Republicans who dodged
> : > the draft, too. Deal?
>
> : I will as soon as the guy who Clinton wrote requesting to go to the ROTC
> : stops it. Besides, who many of those people who "dodged" the draft then
> : went on to request that the be put in charge of the military?
>

> Let's see. There's Quayle, Forbes, Gramm, Kemp, Buchanan, and Noot
> certainly would if he could. We don't even know who will run in 2000, but
> chances are there will be a GOP chicken hawk in the race.

Which one of these men have been found worthy of being the GOP's nominee as
the Commander in Chief?

> Next question?

Next question indeed.

> : Especially

> : after expressing "loathing" for it.
>

> When are you going to stop lying about this?

I guess after I first start. Let me know when I start.

[K. Knopp]

wo...@woofwoof.com (woof) wrote:

> In article <kknopp-ya02408000...@news.citynet.net>,
> kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:
>

> > I will as soon as the guy who Clinton wrote requesting to go to the ROTC
> > stops it. Besides, who many of those people who "dodged" the draft then

> > went on to request that the be put in charge of the military? Especially

> > after expressing "loathing" for it.
>

> Clinton was AGAINST THE WAR and avoided the draft.
>
> Quayle, Gingrich, Limbaugh, Kemp, etc... were -FOR THE WAR- as long as
> OTHERS went and not them.
>
> Do you understand the difference?

Yes, I do. The difference is that not one single man you mentioned has yet
to be found worthy by it's party to be elected as it's nominee to the
position of Commander in Chief. As I remember it, the two guys the GOP put
up against the current draft dodger both faught in the military. My cousin
dodged the draft too, and probably wouldn't mind being President either. I
decline to include him in the debate too for the same obvious reasons.

[Gary Lantz]

Well said! Rush Limbaugh cannot TAX you...cannot JAIL you....cannot
KILL you and cannot order you off to kill OTHERS! Slick Willy can do
and has DONE ALL of these! Of course libocrit DemoRATS are too
STUPID to see the difference between a talk show host and the
malignancy at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

--
AVE ATQVE VALE
CENTVRIO
(E-mail address modified to foil spambots.
Remove the extra "home" for the true address!)

Just who is to STUPID to see the difference between Dumbaugh and the
Presidency. Just who is to STUPID to see the difference between
Dumbaugh's idiocy and anything that is revelent. Just who is to STUPID
to see that Dumbaugh is everything he criticizes.

[K. Knopp]

wo...@woofwoof.com (woof) wrote:

> In article <kknopp-ya02408000...@news.citynet.net>,
> kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:
>
> > I will as soon as the guy who Clinton wrote requesting to go to the ROTC
> > stops it. Besides, who many of those people who "dodged" the draft then
> > went on to request that the be put in charge of the military? Especially
> > after expressing "loathing" for it.
>

> Could you please BACK UP your statement about Clinton "loathing" the military?
>
> I think that you -KNOW- that you are repeating a lie. And what does that
> say about YOU?

It says that I am able to coherently read a sentence in context, and you
may not have the same ability.

I haven't repeated any lies. In Mr. Clinton's letter to Col. Holmes
thanking him for "saving me from the draft"(12/3/69), Clinton wrote giving
the reasons that he was opposed "to the draft and the war". In closing,
he expressed to Holmes that he hoped his letter, detailing his feelings on
why he wished to stay out of the military, would help him to "understand
more clearly how so many fine people have come to find themselves still
loving their country but loathing the military."

[Mitchell Holman]

In article <kknopp-ya02408000...@news.citynet.net>, kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:

}> Let's see. There's Quayle, Forbes, Gramm, Kemp, Buchanan, and Noot
}> certainly would if he could. We don't even know who will run in 2000, but
}> chances are there will be a GOP chicken hawk in the race.
}
}Which one of these men have been found worthy of being the GOP's nominee as
}the Commander in Chief?
}

Please identify the GOP candidate-in-waiting whose military
record you find satisfactory.

Mitchell Holman

"I'll have to check with my dad."
-- Dan Quayle responding when an Indiana GOP county
chairman asked him to run for Congress in 1976.
(reported by the Washington Post, 10/2/88)

[Mitchell Holman]

In article <kknopp-ya02408000...@news.citynet.net>, kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:

}
}I haven't repeated any lies. In Mr. Clinton's letter to Col. Holmes
}thanking him for "saving me from the draft"(12/3/69), Clinton wrote giving
}the reasons that he was opposed "to the draft and the war". In closing,
}he expressed to Holmes that he hoped his letter, detailing his feelings on
}why he wished to stay out of the military, would help him to "understand
}more clearly how so many fine people have come to find themselves still
}loving their country but loathing the military."
}

Now now, Knopp, you are deliberately editing here to suit your
narrow purposes. The entire sentence reads:

"I am writing too in the hope that my telling this one
story will help you to understand more clearly how so many
fine young people have come to find themselves still loving
their country but loathing the military, to which you and
other good men have devoted years, lifetimes, of the best
service you could give."

So he calls soldiers and officers "good men" who "devoted years,
lifetimes, of the best service you could give," and yet the right wing
still wants us to believe that he's saying he loathed the military.

Secondly, take that offending clause apart and look at it
again. Who is doing the "loathing" - the author, or "many
fine young people", that is to say, people OTHER than the
author?

Mitchell Holman

"Diesel engines do not emit enough carbon monoxide to kill anybody."
Republican Pat Buchanan, denying that thousands of Jews were killed
by that very method at the Treblinka concentration camp.
(New Republic, 10/22/90)

[loki]

On Wed, 09 Jul 1997 07:36:08 -0400, kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp)
wrote:

>> > I will as soon as the guy who Clinton wrote requesting to go to the ROTC
>> > stops it. Besides, who many of those people who "dodged" the draft then
>> > went on to request that the be put in charge of the military? Especially
>> > after expressing "loathing" for it.
>>
>> Could you please BACK UP your statement about Clinton "loathing" the military?
>>
>> I think that you -KNOW- that you are repeating a lie. And what does that
>> say about YOU?
>
>It says that I am able to coherently read a sentence in context, and you
>may not have the same ability.
>

>I haven't repeated any lies. In Mr. Clinton's letter to Col. Holmes
>thanking him for "saving me from the draft"(12/3/69), Clinton wrote giving
>the reasons that he was opposed "to the draft and the war". In closing,
>he expressed to Holmes that he hoped his letter, detailing his feelings on
>why he wished to stay out of the military, would help him to "understand
>more clearly how so many fine people have come to find themselves still
>loving their country but loathing the military."

Doesn't wash. You said that Clinton "loathed the military". No where
in the exerpts above does he make that claim. Overlooking for a moment
that the note was specifically about our involvement in Vietnam as
opposed to our efforts in World War 2, for example, no where does he
claim to loath the military. I for example "understand" why some
peolpe would vote for Pat Buchanan, but I certainly wouldn't do so.

Loki

[Mitchell Holman]

In article <kknopp-ya02408000...@news.citynet.net>, kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:

}wo...@woofwoof.com (woof) wrote:
}
}> In article <kknopp-ya02408000...@news.citynet.net>,

}> kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:
}>
}> > I will as soon as the guy who Clinton wrote requesting to go to the ROTC
}> > stops it. Besides, who many of those people who "dodged" the draft then
}> > went on to request that the be put in charge of the military? Especially
}> > after expressing "loathing" for it.
}>

}> Clinton was AGAINST THE WAR and avoided the draft.
}>
}> Quayle, Gingrich, Limbaugh, Kemp, etc... were -FOR THE WAR- as long as
}> OTHERS went and not them.
}>
}> Do you understand the difference?
}
}Yes, I do. The difference is that not one single man you mentioned has yet
}to be found worthy by it's party to be elected as it's nominee to the
}position of Commander in Chief. As I remember it, the two guys the GOP put
}up against the current draft dodger both faught in the military.

Remember when the GOP howled at Clinton's election, claiming
he "didn't know how to salute"?

Will they make those same howls at the election of a president
Gramm, or Armey, or Gingrich, or Kemp, or Lott?

Mitchell Holman

"I do -- I do -- I do -- I do -- what any normal person
would do at that age. You call home. You call home to
mother and father and say, ``I'd like to get into the
National Guard.''
-- Senator Dan Quayle, 8/19/88

[gdy5...@prairie.lakes.com]

kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:

>wo...@woofwoof.com (woof) wrote:

>> In article <kknopp-ya02408000...@news.citynet.net>,
>> kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:
>>
>> > I will as soon as the guy who Clinton wrote requesting to go to the ROTC
>> > stops it. Besides, who many of those people who "dodged" the draft then
>> > went on to request that the be put in charge of the military? Especially
>> > after expressing "loathing" for it.
>>
>> Clinton was AGAINST THE WAR and avoided the draft.
>>
>> Quayle, Gingrich, Limbaugh, Kemp, etc... were -FOR THE WAR- as long as
>> OTHERS went and not them.
>>
>> Do you understand the difference?

>Yes, I do. The difference is that not one single man you mentioned has yet
>to be found worthy by it's party to be elected as it's nominee to the
>position of Commander in Chief. As I remember it, the two guys the GOP put

>up against the current draft dodger both faught in the military. My cousin
>dodged the draft too, and probably wouldn't mind being President either. I
>decline to include him in the debate too for the same obvious reasons.

in case you hadn't notice knopp, they both fought in a different war
than the war Clinton refused.

[gdy5...@prairie.lakes.com]

kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:

>hkil...@osf1.gmu.edu (HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.) wrote:

>K. Knopp (kkn...@citynet.ha.net) wrote:
>: In article
>: <Pine.A32.3.93.970707...@mustique.u.arizona.edu>, Milt
>: <msh...@U.Arizona.EDU> wrote:

><SNIP>

>> : > If you guys agree to stop calling Clinton and others "draft dodgers",
>> : > we'll stop pointing out the literally hundreds of Republicans who dodged
>> : > the draft, too. Deal?
>>

>> : I will as soon as the guy who Clinton wrote requesting to go to the ROTC

>> : stops it. Besides, who many of those people who "dodged" the draft then
>> : went on to request that the be put in charge of the military?
>>

>> Let's see. There's Quayle, Forbes, Gramm, Kemp, Buchanan, and Noot
>> certainly would if he could. We don't even know who will run in 2000, but
>> chances are there will be a GOP chicken hawk in the race.

>Which one of these men have been found worthy of being the GOP's nominee as
>the Commander in Chief?

Hey knopp where the hell is the consitutional requirement that the
prez has to have sreved in the military?

>> Next question?

>Next question indeed.
>
>> : Especially

>> : after expressing "loathing" for it.
>>

>> When are you going to stop lying about this?

>I guess after I first start. Let me know when I start.

>-------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Black Dragon]

In article
<Pine.A32.3.93.970708...@mustique.u.arizona.edu>, Milt
<msh...@U.Arizona.EDU> wrote:

> On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, The Centurion wrote:
>
> :In article <kknopp-ya02408000...@news.citynet.net>,

> : kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:
> :>In article
> :><Pine.A32.3.93.970707...@mustique.u.arizona.edu>,
> :Milt
> :><msh...@U.Arizona.EDU> wrote:

> :>

> :>> On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, Mark Edward Balcom wrote:
> :>>
> :>> :Terry Coppage wrote:
> :>>
> :>> :> Limba's "medical deferrment" was a dirty ass.
> :>> :
> :>> :And this "fact" is based on what? By the way, I knew a number of
> :guys
> :>> :who's medical defferments were based on family physician
> :examinations in
> :>> :those years.
> :>>
> :>> Of course, not everyone had a father who was a judge, and who had
> :>> political connections...
> :>>
> :>> Tell you the truth, this stupid issue just needs to go away. Only
> :2% of
> :>> all eligible men were ever drafted, and to say that one "dodged"
> :it
> :>> because he used a deferment, whether "legit" or not is a strawman,
> :because
> :>> even without the deferments, most of these people wouldn't have
> :gone.

> :>>
> :>> If you guys agree to stop calling Clinton and others "draft

> :dodgers",
> :>> we'll stop pointing out the literally hundreds of Republicans who
> :dodged
> :>> the draft, too. Deal?
> :>
> :> I will as soon as the guy who Clinton wrote requesting to go to the
> :ROTC
> :>stops it. Besides, who many of those people who "dodged" the draft
> :then
> :>went on to request that the be put in charge of the military?

> :Especially

> :>after expressing "loathing" for it.

> :
> Well, lessee...
> We had one who, for four years was a heartbeat away from that position. We
> now have one that is two heartbeats away from it. Are you, Knopp, about to
> use the same standards should either Danny "daddy got me into the national
> guard" Quayle or Newt "can I stay in college so's I can get a deferment,
> please oh please????" Gingrich run for president?
> Because they were actively IN FAVOR of the war, and actively tried to get
> out of it. Now, I don't have a dictionary in front of me, but the word
> hypocrisy is coming to mind about now. Oh yeah. And the word
> "chickenhawk". Perhaps your familiar with the term...
>

> :Well said! Rush Limbaugh cannot TAX you...cannot JAIL you....cannot

> :KILL you and cannot order you off to kill OTHERS! Slick Willy can do
> :and has DONE ALL of these!
>

> Lessee what a moke this here Centurion is, shall we? Bill Clinton cannot
> tax you. That takes Congress AND the president to pull off. And Bill
> Clinton cannot jail anyone. That takes a judge and/or a jury. And I would
> venture to say that a president cannot kill anyone legally. And as for
> sending you off to kill others, well, are you in the military? If not,
> then he can't, unless the draft is reinstated, which would take that pesky
> Congress again.
>
> Look, you asshole! Clinton was elected by the American people. You don;t
> have to like it, and you don't have to agree with it. But you do have to
> accept it. Think about it; the people of the US elected him president,
> even though he actively tried to get out of the Vietnam war. MOST people
> DID!!! Did you ever wonder why black people made up about 12% of the
> population then, but nearly 45% of the fighting force? It was because
> every white person with even a slight connection was trying to get their
> kid or their friend's kid out of the goddamned draft. It was a sign of the
> times, and it is irrelevant 30 years later. I'm telling you; if you want
> to make this an issue, then it WILL come up and bite you in the ass. Think
> about this; a possible presidential race between Al Gore and Dan Quayle.
> NOW, how do you fell about the issue, dumbass???
>

> :Of course libocrit DemoRATS are too

> :STUPID to see the difference between a talk show host and the
> :malignancy at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

> :
> No, that's the point, you asshole! There's a LOT of difference, and the
> edge in credibility, class and brains sure as shit goes to the president.
>

So true, so true. These Conservatives think they know it all, yet
everytime they open their mouths they show they don't know shit. The
President is much smarter than Rush. But then, damn near anyone is
smarter than Rush.

Rush Limbaugh is a fat idiot, and you Conservatives have shown once again
how it is YOU, not the liberals, who can't take any opposition. The
moment you hear a different viewpoint or take on a certain issue or topic,
you have to scream that they're all a bunch of idiots and doofuses. You
can't take ANYTHING!!!

[Thomas Andrews]

In article <kknopp-ya02408000...@news.citynet.net>,

K. Knopp <kkn...@citynet.ha.net> wrote:
>In article
><Pine.A32.3.93.970707...@mustique.u.arizona.edu>, Milt
><msh...@U.Arizona.EDU> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, Mark Edward Balcom wrote:
>>
>> :Terry Coppage wrote:
>>
>> :> Limba's "medical deferrment" was a dirty ass.
>> :
>> :And this "fact" is based on what? By the way, I knew a number of guys
>> :who's medical defferments were based on family physician examinations in
>> :those years.
>>
>> Of course, not everyone had a father who was a judge, and who had
>> political connections...
>>
>> Tell you the truth, this stupid issue just needs to go away. Only 2% of
>> all eligible men were ever drafted, and to say that one "dodged" it
>> because he used a deferment, whether "legit" or not is a strawman, because
>> even without the deferments, most of these people wouldn't have gone.
>>
>> If you guys agree to stop calling Clinton and others "draft dodgers",
>> we'll stop pointing out the literally hundreds of Republicans who dodged
>> the draft, too. Deal?
>
> I will as soon as the guy who Clinton wrote requesting to go to the ROTC
>stops it. Besides, who many of those people who "dodged" the draft then
>went on to request that the be put in charge of the military? Especially
>after expressing "loathing" for it.
>

Well, Clinton did not write that, he wrote that many of his generation
loathed the military. Do you think that was false?

In any event, it is possible to loathe the military at one time and,
after reforms, no longer loathe it. Just as it is possible to
loathe city hall or loathe the police department until reforms are
made.

But then, Ronny was put head of the Public Housing, the EPA, and the
Department of Education, both of which he thought should not exist,
at all :-)

--
Thomas Andrews tho...@best.com http://www.best.com/~thomaso/
"Show me somebody who is always smiling, always cheerful, always
optimistic, and I will show you somebody who hasn't the faintest
idea what the heck is really going on." - Mike Royko

[Woof]

In article <kknopp-ya02408000...@news.citynet.net>,
kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:

> It says that I am able to coherently read a sentence in context, and you
> may not have the same ability.
>
> I haven't repeated any lies. In Mr. Clinton's letter to Col. Holmes
> thanking him for "saving me from the draft"(12/3/69), Clinton wrote giving
> the reasons that he was opposed "to the draft and the war". In closing,
> he expressed to Holmes that he hoped his letter, detailing his feelings on
> why he wished to stay out of the military, would help him to "understand
> more clearly how so many fine people have come to find themselves still
> loving their country but loathing the military."

Interesting. You put a period after the word "military" and then a
quotation mark.

Was this an accident? Or did you do this deliberately? IF it was not an
accident, what does it say about your honesty?

--
Woof - so I don't get any more SPAM!!!

[Gary Lantz]

George Grapman <sfge...@NOSPAMpacbell.net> wrote:
>Does that mean you oppose future presidential campaigns by
>Buchanan,Quayle, Gingrich and Armey?
>
>The Centurion wrote:

>> Well said! Rush Limbaugh cannot TAX you...cannot JAIL you....cannot
>> KILL you and cannot order you off to kill OTHERS! Slick Willy can do

>> and has DONE ALL of these! Of course libocrit DemoRATS are too

>> STUPID to see the difference between a talk show host and the
>> malignancy at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Of the above four, I wouldn't want any of them. Buchanan would be the
only one that might stand a chance if he took the edge off of his
extremism. What a sorry sight that this would be some of the names even
mentioned as Presidential candidates.

[Gary Lantz]

hol...@cyberramp.net (Mitchell Holman) wrote:
>In article <kknopp-ya02408000...@news.citynet.net>, kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:
>

>}> Let's see. There's Quayle, Forbes, Gramm, Kemp, Buchanan, and Noot
>}> certainly would if he could. We don't even know who will run in 2000, but
>}> chances are there will be a GOP chicken hawk in the race.
>}
>}Which one of these men have been found worthy of being the GOP's nominee as
>}the Commander in Chief?
>}
>

> Please identify the GOP candidate-in-waiting whose military
> record you find satisfactory.
>
>
>
> Mitchell Holman
>
> "I'll have to check with my dad."
> -- Dan Quayle responding when an Indiana GOP county
> chairman asked him to run for Congress in 1976.
> (reported by the Washington Post, 10/2/88)
>

> If you are an American first and a Republican second, who out there would be proud of any of the above candidated??? Kasich is t=
he only one on the national scene with much publicity that is worth enough to even put on the ballot.

[Gary Lantz]

volt...@worldnet.att.net (Jim Kennemur) wrote:
>The Chicken Hawks
>Rack Jite, http://www.dragonfire.net/~RJ/
>After years of pouting about the butt kicking the U.S. death merchants
>took in Vietnam the announcement that we are lifting trade sanctions
>against that country has been met by a chorus of howls from the
>ConservaNazis. They have suggested that Bill Clinton's stand against
>the war had something to do with the decision. I thought it would be
>interesting to check the war time service records of those who OINK
>the loudest.
>RUSH LIMBAUGH- Sought deferment for ingrown hair follicle.
>BILL BENNETT- Graduate School deferment, too smart to die.
>NEWT GINGRINCH- Graduate School deferment, too smart to die.
>PAT BUCHANAN- Sought deferment for a bad knee.
>ELLIOT ABRAMS- Sought deferment for a bad back.
>VIN WEBER- Sought deferment for asthma.
>DANE QUAYLE- Family got him into the Reserves.
>P.J. O'ROURKE- Too stoned.
>GEORGE WILL- Too much of a wussy, too smart to die.
>PAT ROBERTSON- Father (US Senator) pulled him out of Korea as soon as
>the shooting started.

>Hypocritical Cowards or Conservative Heros?????

Newtie, married his teacher to get out of the draft, then when you also

had to have children, he did that too, after they were no longer cover

for his fear of Vietnam, he divorced them when they became too much

bother.

[HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.]

K. Knopp (kkn...@citynet.ha.net) wrote:
: wo...@woofwoof.com (woof) wrote:

: > In article <kknopp-ya02408000...@news.citynet.net>,
: > kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:

: >
: > > I will as soon as the guy who Clinton wrote requesting to go to the ROTC

: > > stops it. Besides, who many of those people who "dodged" the draft then
: > > went on to request that the be put in charge of the military? Especially
: > > after expressing "loathing" for it.

: >
: > Clinton was AGAINST THE WAR and avoided the draft.

: >
: > Quayle, Gingrich, Limbaugh, Kemp, etc... were -FOR THE WAR- as long as
: > OTHERS went and not them.
: >
: > Do you understand the difference?

: Yes, I do. The difference is that not one single man you mentioned has yet
: to be found worthy by it's party to be elected as it's nominee to the
: position of Commander in Chief. As I remember it, the two guys the GOP put
: up against the current draft dodger both faught in the military.

And how about a heartbeat away - Kemp and Quayle? Did that stop you from
voting for them or are you just a shameless hypocrite thinking you can
safely criticize if you narrow the scope enough so that we ignore this?

Dole isn't exactly a spring chicken and the chances of him dying in office
were somewhat greater than Clinton, who, BTW, has a Vietnam vet a
heartbeat away.

Are you going to vote for Gore against a GOP chickenhawk in 2000 if it
comes to that?

: My cousin

: dodged the draft too, and probably wouldn't mind being President either. I
: decline to include him in the debate too for the same obvious reasons.

: -------------------------------------------------------------------------

: Delete the "ha." from my adress to reply via e-mail
: -------------------------------------------------------------------------

--
Buddy K

[HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.]

K. Knopp (kkn...@citynet.ha.net) wrote:
: hkil...@osf1.gmu.edu (HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.) wrote:

: K. Knopp (kkn...@citynet.ha.net) wrote:
: : In article
: : <Pine.A32.3.93.970707...@mustique.u.arizona.edu>, Milt
: : <msh...@U.Arizona.EDU> wrote:

: <SNIP>

: > : > If you guys agree to stop calling Clinton and others "draft dodgers",

: > : > we'll stop pointing out the literally hundreds of Republicans who dodged
: > : > the draft, too. Deal?

: >

: > : I will as soon as the guy who Clinton wrote requesting to go to the ROTC
: > : stops it. Besides, who many of those people who "dodged" the draft then
: > : went on to request that the be put in charge of the military?

: >
: > Let's see. There's Quayle, Forbes, Gramm, Kemp, Buchanan, and Noot

: > certainly would if he could. We don't even know who will run in 2000, but
: > chances are there will be a GOP chicken hawk in the race.

: Which one of these men have been found worthy of being the GOP's nominee as
: the Commander in Chief?

One was a heartbeat away and another would have been. Hence, they must
have been found worthy of being the GOP's nominee since the possibility
always exists that they would have to take over the job.

: > Next question?

: Next question indeed.

Next question?

I have one for you - will you vote for Vietnam vet, Gore, over a GOP
chicken hawk?

: > : Especially

: > : after expressing "loathing" for it.
: >

: > When are you going to stop lying about this?

: I guess after I first start. Let me know when I start.

When you said Clinton expressed loathing for the military. I suggest you
look up what he actually said if it is ignorance rather than lying you are
guilty of.

[5th Centurion]

mcca...@ridgecrest.ca.us (Black Dragon) stated:
: Milt :<msh...@U.Arizona.EDU> wrote:

:> :On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, The Centurion wrote:

:> :Well said! Rush Limbaugh cannot TAX you...cannot JAIL you....cannot
:> :KILL you and cannot order you off to kill OTHERS! Slick Willy can do
:> :and has DONE ALL of these!

:> Lessee what a moke this here Centurion is, shall we? Bill Clinton cannot

:> tax you. That takes Congress AND the president to pull off. And Bill
:> Clinton cannot jail anyone. That takes a judge and/or a jury. And I would
:> venture to say that a president cannot kill anyone legally. And as for
:> sending you off to kill others, well, are you in the military? If not,
:> then he can't, unless the draft is reinstated, which would take that pesky
:> Congress again.

Heheheh ...You go, Milt 8 ) )

:> Look, you asshole! Clinton was elected by the American people. You don;t

:> have to like it, and you don't have to agree with it. But you do have to
:> accept it. Think about it; the people of the US elected him president,

:> even though he actively tried to get out of the Vietnam war. MOST people

:> DID!!! Did you ever wonder why black people made up about 12% of the
:> population then, but nearly 45% of the fighting force? It was because
:> every white person with even a slight connection was trying to get their
:> kid or their friend's kid out of the goddamned draft. It was a sign of the
:> times, and it is irrelevant 30 years later. I'm telling you; if you want
:> to make this an issue, then it WILL come up and bite you in the ass. Think
:> about this; a possible presidential race between Al Gore and Dan Quayle.
:> NOW, how do you fell about the issue, dumbass???

Easy Milt. Remember you are dealing with a "THE CENTURION !" 8 ) )

:> :Of course libocrit DemoRATS are too

:> :STUPID to see the difference between a talk show host and the
:> :malignancy at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

And hard-core-Right-wing-nut-Ditto-bots such as yourself are to
'stupid' to discern demogoguery from the -truth-, yes?

:> No, that's the point, you asshole! There's a LOT of difference, and the

:> edge in credibility, class and brains sure as shit goes to the president.

:So true, so true. These Conservatives think they know it all, yet
:everytime they open their mouths they show they don't know shit. The
:President is much smarter than Rush. But then, damn near anyone is
:smarter than Rush.

:Rush Limbaugh is a fat idiot, and you Conservatives have shown once again
:how it is YOU, not the liberals, who can't take any opposition. The
:moment you hear a different viewpoint or take on a certain issue or topic,
:you have to scream that they're all a bunch of idiots and doofuses. You
:can't take ANYTHING!!!

I concur ...And it is kinda' fun to send them scurrying for a clue one

refuted, and in light of the fact that Limbaugh hasn't got jack to
base his rantings on but that stack of newspapers & shock-tabloids
he receives each moring, and of which he finds appropriate fodder
& swill for the most witless of his dedicated acolytes ;)

-Dominic
--
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You can't handle the truth ! "

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tho...@best.com (Thomas Andrews) wrote:

In article <kknopp-ya02408000...@news.citynet.net>,

K. Knopp <kkn...@citynet.ha.net> wrote:
>In article
><Pine.A32.3.93.970707...@mustique.u.arizona.edu>, Milt
><msh...@U.Arizona.EDU> wrote:

<SNIP>

> >> If you guys agree to stop calling Clinton and others "draft dodgers",
> >> we'll stop pointing out the literally hundreds of Republicans who dodged
> >> the draft, too. Deal?
> >
> > I will as soon as the guy who Clinton wrote requesting to go to the ROTC
> >stops it. Besides, who many of those people who "dodged" the draft then

> >went on to request that the be put in charge of the military? Especially

> >after expressing "loathing" for it.
> >
>

> Well, Clinton did not write that, he wrote that many of his generation

Your right, he didn't write "I loathe the military", and that's not what I
claimed. He HAD expressed that he hoped his letter expressing his anti-war
mentality would help Col. Holmes to understand how some "could loathe the
military". Why on earth would you believe that a man would write a letter
concerning his own views on the war, and why he didn't want to fight, and
then say that the letter was talking about "others"? It doesn't make
sense.

> loathed the military. Do you think that was false?

Yes. He never claimed that many (third person view) in his generation
loathed the military.

> In any event, it is possible to loathe the military at one time and,

> after reforms, no longer loathe it. Just as it is possible to

Yes, that is true. The question remains as to whether in his heart,
Clinton still loathes the military and still feels that dishonestly
avoiding service was the proper moral thing to do, given the fact that he
is expected to possibly force others to do so.

> loathe city hall or loathe the police department until reforms are
> made.

So does he still loathe the military or not? That's a good question. Give
Thomas a silver star for the day!

> But then, Ronny was put head of the Public Housing, the EPA, and the
> Department of Education, both of which he thought should not exist,
> at all :-)

Which both? The point wasn't whether or not it's proper for a President to
be in charge of something he doesn't believe in. The point was IS the
military something Clinton DOESN'T believe in. If it isn't, as he had
suggested to Col. Holmes, then the American people have the right to know
that and make judgements based on that stance. What has Clinton said as
far as his feelings about his past dishonest dodging of the draft? Has he
appologized? Does he still thing dodging the draft is a good thing, and
that there isn't anything wrong with it? What kind of repercussions would
result from us going to war under a president who didn't have a problem
with draft dodging? There are very many questions that need to be
answered, none of which Der Schlickmeister probably wishes to go into...

[Milt]

On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, K. Knopp wrote:

:lo...@midtown.net (loki) wrote:
:
:On Wed, 09 Jul 1997 07:36:08 -0400, kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp)
:wrote:
:
:> >> > I will as soon as the guy who Clinton wrote requesting to go to the ROTC

:> >> > stops it. Besides, who many of those people who "dodged" the draft then
:> >> > went on to request that the be put in charge of the military? Especially
:> >> > after expressing "loathing" for it.

:> >>
:> >> Could you please BACK UP your statement about Clinton "loathing" the

:> military?
:> >>
:> >> I think that you -KNOW- that you are repeating a lie. And what does that
:> >> say about YOU?

:> >
:> >It says that I am able to coherently read a sentence in context, and you

:> >may not have the same ability.
:> >
:> >I haven't repeated any lies. In Mr. Clinton's letter to Col. Holmes
:> >thanking him for "saving me from the draft"(12/3/69), Clinton wrote giving
:> >the reasons that he was opposed "to the draft and the war". In closing,
:> >he expressed to Holmes that he hoped his letter, detailing his feelings on
:> >why he wished to stay out of the military, would help him to "understand
:> >more clearly how so many fine people have come to find themselves still
:> >loving their country but loathing the military."

:>
:> Doesn't wash. You said that Clinton "loathed the military". No where
:
:I said in his letter, Clinton had expressed "loathing for it". There is a
:difference which I explained above.

Oh, so if Jesse Jackson says that "some white people loathe black people",
he is then "expressing loathing" for black people? Knopp, this is even
disingenuous for you. Why don't you just admit that you mis-spoke, and get
over it. Clinton has never expressed loathing for the military. He did
express loathing for the war, however, as did most people in the country
at that time. That is not the same as loathing the military...

:> in the exerpts above does he make that claim. Overlooking for a moment
:
:Did you not read my reply above? I never said that Clinton said "I loathe
:the military".

Yeah, you did. You said he "expressed loathing for the military." One
person cannot express loathing for other people, Knopp. He said there were
people out there who loathed the military. This is not the same as
expressing loathing...
:
:> that the note was specifically about our involvement in Vietnam as

:> opposed to our efforts in World War 2, for example, no where does he

:
:And Clinton's view on the subject, which he hoped would help Col. Holmes
:understand how some could find themselves "loathing the military". Just as
:I said.
:
Yep. And empathising with a pregnant woman can't make a man pregnant,
knopp. I can understand why some people feel the way they do about other
races, depending on their experiences. That doesn't mean I feel that way,
or that I can condone it, either...

:> claim to loath the military. I for example "understand" why some

:> peolpe would vote for Pat Buchanan, but I certainly wouldn't do so.

:
:If you wrote a letter giving the reasons why you felt that Buchanon
:wouldn't be a very good President, and why you aren't going to vote for
:him, and feel that he is a creep, and then ended your letter hoping that
:the receiver of your note was helped to understand why some "loathe Pat
:Buchanon"...are you saying you aren't the one expressing this feeling?
:
Oh, so now, you're contradicting yourself. Now you say he DID say he
loathed the military. But the example above is in no way analogous, so try
something else...

[Mitchell Holman]

In article <kknopp-ya02408000...@news.citynet.net>, kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:

}> >
}> >I haven't repeated any lies. In Mr. Clinton's letter to Col. Holmes
}> >thanking him for "saving me from the draft"(12/3/69), Clinton wrote giving
}> >the reasons that he was opposed "to the draft and the war". In closing,
}> >he expressed to Holmes that he hoped his letter, detailing his feelings on
}> >why he wished to stay out of the military, would help him to "understand
}> >more clearly how so many fine people have come to find themselves still
}> >loving their country but loathing the military."
}>
}> Doesn't wash. You said that Clinton "loathed the military". No where
}
}I said in his letter, Clinton had expressed "loathing for it". There is a
}difference which I explained above.
}

}> in the exerpts above does he make that claim. Overlooking for a moment
}
}Did you not read my reply above? I never said that Clinton said "I loathe
}the military".
}

}> that the note was specifically about our involvement in Vietnam as
}> opposed to our efforts in World War 2, for example, no where does he
}
}And Clinton's view on the subject, which he hoped would help Col. Holmes
}understand how some could find themselves "loathing the military". Just as
}I said.
}

}> claim to loath the military. I for example "understand" why some
}> peolpe would vote for Pat Buchanan, but I certainly wouldn't do so.
}

How many times does Knopp have to read the letter before
he gets it right?

[Mark Edward Balcom]

Jim Kennemur wrote:
>
>
> What does Mr. Gore have to do with the last two candidates for Vice
> President on the Republican ticket, other than the fact that he got
> more electoral votes than either of them?
>

Actually, Gore didn't receive ONE SINGLE electoral vote. Clinton did.

Mark

[ba...@nospamvnet.ibm.com]

In <5q3knq$c...@portal.gmu.edu>, hkil...@osf1.gmu.edu (HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.) writes:
[snip]

>And how about a heartbeat away - Kemp and Quayle?

Tell me, O Great Student; when did Kemp become 2nd in line for the presidency?
Something happen to Mr. algore?

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[K. Knopp]

lo...@midtown.net (loki) wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jul 1997 07:36:08 -0400, kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp)
wrote:

> >> > I will as soon as the guy who Clinton wrote requesting to go to the ROTC

> >> > stops it. Besides, who many of those people who "dodged" the draft then
> >> > went on to request that the be put in charge of the military? Especially
> >> > after expressing "loathing" for it.
> >>
> >> Could you please BACK UP your statement about Clinton "loathing" the
> military?
> >>
> >> I think that you -KNOW- that you are repeating a lie. And what does that
> >> say about YOU?
> >
> >It says that I am able to coherently read a sentence in context, and you
> >may not have the same ability.
> >

> >I haven't repeated any lies. In Mr. Clinton's letter to Col. Holmes
> >thanking him for "saving me from the draft"(12/3/69), Clinton wrote giving
> >the reasons that he was opposed "to the draft and the war". In closing,
> >he expressed to Holmes that he hoped his letter, detailing his feelings on
> >why he wished to stay out of the military, would help him to "understand
> >more clearly how so many fine people have come to find themselves still
> >loving their country but loathing the military."
>
> Doesn't wash. You said that Clinton "loathed the military". No where

I said in his letter, Clinton had expressed "loathing for it". There is a
difference which I explained above.

> in the exerpts above does he make that claim. Overlooking for a moment

Did you not read my reply above? I never said that Clinton said "I loathe
the military".

> that the note was specifically about our involvement in Vietnam as
> opposed to our efforts in World War 2, for example, no where does he

And Clinton's view on the subject, which he hoped would help Col. Holmes
understand how some could find themselves "loathing the military". Just as
I said.

> claim to loath the military. I for example "understand" why some
> peolpe would vote for Pat Buchanan, but I certainly wouldn't do so.

If you wrote a letter giving the reasons why you felt that Buchanon

wouldn't be a very good President, and why you aren't going to vote for
him, and feel that he is a creep, and then ended your letter hoping that
the receiver of your note was helped to understand why some "loathe Pat
Buchanon"...are you saying you aren't the one expressing this feeling?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

[gdy5...@prairie.lakes.com]

kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:

>tho...@best.com (Thomas Andrews) wrote:

>In article <kknopp-ya02408000...@news.citynet.net>,
>K. Knopp <kkn...@citynet.ha.net> wrote:
>>In article
>><Pine.A32.3.93.970707...@mustique.u.arizona.edu>, Milt
>><msh...@U.Arizona.EDU> wrote:

><SNIP>

>> >> If you guys agree to stop calling Clinton and others "draft dodgers",
>> >> we'll stop pointing out the literally hundreds of Republicans who dodged
>> >> the draft, too. Deal?
>> >

>> > I will as soon as the guy who Clinton wrote requesting to go to the ROTC
>> >stops it. Besides, who many of those people who "dodged" the draft then
>> >went on to request that the be put in charge of the military? Especially
>> >after expressing "loathing" for it.
>> >
>>

>> Well, Clinton did not write that, he wrote that many of his generation

>Your right, he didn't write "I loathe the military", and that's not what I
>claimed. He HAD expressed that he hoped his letter expressing his anti-war
>mentality would help Col. Holmes to understand how some "could loathe the
>military". Why on earth would you believe that a man would write a letter
>concerning his own views on the war, and why he didn't want to fight, and
>then say that the letter was talking about "others"? It doesn't make
>sense.

>> loathed the military. Do you think that was false?

>Yes. He never claimed that many (third person view) in his generation
>loathed the military.

>> In any event, it is possible to loathe the military at one time and,
>> after reforms, no longer loathe it. Just as it is possible to

>Yes, that is true. The question remains as to whether in his heart,
>Clinton still loathes the military and still feels that dishonestly
>avoiding service was the proper moral thing to do, given the fact that he
>is expected to possibly force others to do so.

hey knopp the draft was done away with years ago, you moron they are
volunteers nodays.

>> loathe city hall or loathe the police department until reforms are
>> made.

>So does he still loathe the military or not? That's a good question. Give
>Thomas a silver star for the day!
>
>> But then, Ronny was put head of the Public Housing, the EPA, and the
>> Department of Education, both of which he thought should not exist,
>> at all :-)

>Which both? The point wasn't whether or not it's proper for a President to
>be in charge of something he doesn't believe in. The point was IS the

another line of shit from the knopped eared. I bet there has been more
than one prez or govenor that has been opposed to the death penalty.

>military something Clinton DOESN'T believe in. If it isn't, as he had
>suggested to Col. Holmes, then the American people have the right to know
>that and make judgements based on that stance. What has Clinton said as
>far as his feelings about his past dishonest dodging of the draft? Has he
>appologized? Does he still thing dodging the draft is a good thing, and
>that there isn't anything wrong with it? What kind of repercussions would
>result from us going to war under a president who didn't have a problem
>with draft dodging? There are very many questions that need to be
>answered, none of which Der Schlickmeister probably wishes to go into...

did knopp ask the sam equestion from the chicken hawk danny boy when
he was a hearth beat away from being prez?
or pat the bigot when he was campaigning for the job?
or trick shoulder kemp durning the campagin?
or tricky dick the self avowed pacifist?

[RHA]

In article <5q6j9k$je1$1...@usenet85.supernews.com>,

"tricky dick"? Nixon? Nixon was a naval officer in WWII.
Dick "I wanna study to be a minister until the War in
Vietnam ends, then I wanna be Secretary of Defense and
run the military" Cheney? Ya gotta clarify which "tricky"
ya mean.
--
rha

[K. Knopp]

Milt <msh...@U.Arizona.EDU>

> On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, K. Knopp wrote:
>
> :lo...@midtown.net (loki) wrote:

<SNIP>

> :> Doesn't wash. You said that Clinton "loathed the military". No where

> :
> :I said in his letter, Clinton had expressed "loathing for it". There is a
> :difference which I explained above.
>

> Oh, so if Jesse Jackson says that "some white people loathe black people",
> he is then "expressing loathing" for black people? Knopp, this is even

If Jesse Jackson gives a speach were he lists all the reasons why he
doesn't want to have anything to do with white people, and that states that
he hopes that his dialog would help people to understand why some blacks
just can't help but loathe the white man, then YES, he would be expressing
his loathing for white people.

> disingenuous for you. Why don't you just admit that you mis-spoke, and get

Because I didn't.

> over it. Clinton has never expressed loathing for the military. He did
> express loathing for the war, however, as did most people in the country

Were did he say "I loathe the war"?

> at that time. That is not the same as loathing the military...

But that's what he said.

> :> in the exerpts above does he make that claim. Overlooking for a moment

> :
> :Did you not read my reply above? I never said that Clinton said "I loathe
> :the military".
>

> Yeah, you did. You said he "expressed loathing for the military." One

There is a difference between someone saying and expressing something.
Surely you know the difference.

> person cannot express loathing for other people, Knopp. He said there were

You can express loathing for a group that you are a part of.

> people out there who loathed the military. This is not the same as
> expressing loathing...

He was telling HIS story....not some other people's stories....not his
Grandman's story....not his mailman's story. HIS STORY. HIS reasons for
not wanting to register...HIS reasons for not running to Canada only so
that he could still run for office later. HE...HIM...BILL CLINTON. Why
would HIS story explain this loathing if he wasn't a member of the "some"
he was talking about?

> :> that the note was specifically about our involvement in Vietnam as

> :> opposed to our efforts in World War 2, for example, no where does he
> :
> :And Clinton's view on the subject, which he hoped would help Col. Holmes
> :understand how some could find themselves "loathing the military". Just as
> :I said.

> :
> Yep. And empathising with a pregnant woman can't make a man pregnant,
> knopp. I can understand why some people feel the way they do about other
> races, depending on their experiences. That doesn't mean I feel that way,
> or that I can condone it, either...

But if you tell people why it is that you hate black people, then suggested
that your explanation might help others understand how it is that many
loathe the others races, than you too would be one of the loathers. You
need to read the whole letter in order to properly put his statements in
context.

> :> claim to loath the military. I for example "understand" why some

> :> peolpe would vote for Pat Buchanan, but I certainly wouldn't do so.
> :
> :If you wrote a letter giving the reasons why you felt that Buchanon
> :wouldn't be a very good President, and why you aren't going to vote for
> :him, and feel that he is a creep, and then ended your letter hoping that
> :the receiver of your note was helped to understand why some "loathe Pat
> :Buchanon"...are you saying you aren't the one expressing this feeling?

> :
> Oh, so now, you're contradicting yourself. Now you say he DID say he
> loathed the military. But the example above is in no way analogous, so try
> something else...

Welp. That settles it. You claim that it's not analogous, so it's not.
No more explanation needed! Thanks. hehe

[K. Knopp]

gdy5...@prairie.lakes.com (gdy5...@prairie.lakes.com)

> kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:
>
> >tho...@best.com (Thomas Andrews) wrote:

<SNIP>

> >> In any event, it is possible to loathe the military at one time and,
> >> after reforms, no longer loathe it. Just as it is possible to
>
> >Yes, that is true. The question remains as to whether in his heart,
> >Clinton still loathes the military and still feels that dishonestly
> >avoiding service was the proper moral thing to do, given the fact that he
> >is expected to possibly force others to do so.
>
> hey knopp the draft was done away with years ago, you moron they are
> volunteers nodays.

Hey gdy90120U812, the draft can be put in place anytime there is a major
war, and war can break out any time you moron.

>
> >> loathe city hall or loathe the police department until reforms are
> >> made.
>
> >So does he still loathe the military or not? That's a good question. Give
> >Thomas a silver star for the day!
> >
> >> But then, Ronny was put head of the Public Housing, the EPA, and the
> >> Department of Education, both of which he thought should not exist,
> >> at all :-)
>
> >Which both? The point wasn't whether or not it's proper for a President to
> >be in charge of something he doesn't believe in. The point was IS the
>
> another line of shit from the knopped eared. I bet there has been more
> than one prez or govenor that has been opposed to the death penalty.

Reading comprehension not your bag? I said that the point WASN'T whether

or not it's proper for a President to be in charge of something he doesn't

believe in. Talk about a line of sh*t!

> >military something Clinton DOESN'T believe in. If it isn't, as he had
> >suggested to Col. Holmes, then the American people have the right to know
> >that and make judgements based on that stance. What has Clinton said as
> >far as his feelings about his past dishonest dodging of the draft? Has he
> >appologized? Does he still thing dodging the draft is a good thing, and
> >that there isn't anything wrong with it? What kind of repercussions would
> >result from us going to war under a president who didn't have a problem
> >with draft dodging? There are very many questions that need to be
> >answered, none of which Der Schlickmeister probably wishes to go into...
>
> did knopp ask the sam equestion from the chicken hawk danny boy when
> he was a hearth beat away from being prez?

I would when and if he decides to run for COC. Like I said, it's not so
much a prerequisite, but the people have the right to now if you loathe the
the force that protects our borders if you want to be in charge of it.

> or pat the bigot when he was campaigning for the job?
> or trick shoulder kemp durning the campagin?
> or tricky dick the self avowed pacifist?

Red herrings?

[K. Knopp]

hol...@cyberramp.net (Mitchell Holman)

<SNIP>

> Remember when the GOP howled at Clinton's election, claiming
> he "didn't know how to salute"?
>
> Will they make those same howls at the election of a president
> Gramm, or Armey, or Gingrich, or Kemp, or Lott?

Yes, if they don't take the out as COC and learn how to properly salute.

[K. Knopp]

hol...@cyberramp.net (Mitchell Holman) wrote:

In article <kknopp-ya02408000...@news.citynet.net>,
kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:

> }I haven't repeated any lies. In Mr. Clinton's letter to Col. Holmes
> }thanking him for "saving me from the draft"(12/3/69), Clinton wrote giving
> }the reasons that he was opposed "to the draft and the war". In closing,
> }he expressed to Holmes that he hoped his letter, detailing his feelings on
> }why he wished to stay out of the military, would help him to "understand
> }more clearly how so many fine people have come to find themselves still
> }loving their country but loathing the military."
> }
>

> Now now, Knopp, you are deliberately editing here to suit your
> narrow purposes. The entire sentence reads:
>

> "I am writing too in the hope that my telling this one
> story will help you to understand more clearly how so many
> fine young people have come to find themselves still loving
> their country but loathing the military, to which you and
> other good men have devoted years, lifetimes, of the best
> service you could give."
>

> So he calls soldiers and officers "good men" who "devoted years,

The soldiers he respects, the military itself is what he expressed the
loathing for.

> lifetimes, of the best service you could give," and yet the right wing
> still wants us to believe that he's saying he loathed the military.
>
> Secondly, take that offending clause apart and look at it
> again. Who is doing the "loathing" - the author, or "many
> fine young people", that is to say, people OTHER than the
> author?

Who's "story" is it that the author says he hopes will help the Col.
understand the "loathing"?

[K. Knopp]

wo...@woofwoofwoof.com (Woof) wrote:

> In article <kknopp-ya02408000...@news.citynet.net>,
> kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:
>

> > It says that I am able to coherently read a sentence in context, and you
> > may not have the same ability.
> >

> > I haven't repeated any lies. In Mr. Clinton's letter to Col. Holmes
> > thanking him for "saving me from the draft"(12/3/69), Clinton wrote giving
> > the reasons that he was opposed "to the draft and the war". In closing,
> > he expressed to Holmes that he hoped his letter, detailing his feelings on
> > why he wished to stay out of the military, would help him to "understand
> > more clearly how so many fine people have come to find themselves still
> > loving their country but loathing the military."
>

> Interesting. You put a period after the word "military" and then a
> quotation mark.
>
> Was this an accident? Or did you do this deliberately? IF it was not an
> accident, what does it say about your honesty?

It was an accident (typo). The period should have been included after the
quotation marks.

[K. Knopp]

gdy5...@prairie.lakes.com (gdy5...@prairie.lakes.com) wrote:

> kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:
>
> >wo...@woofwoof.com (woof) wrote:
>
> <SNIP>

>
> >> Clinton was AGAINST THE WAR and avoided the draft.
> >>
> >> Quayle, Gingrich, Limbaugh, Kemp, etc... were -FOR THE WAR- as long as
> >> OTHERS went and not them.
> >>
> >> Do you understand the difference?
>
> >Yes, I do. The difference is that not one single man you mentioned has yet
> >to be found worthy by it's party to be elected as it's nominee to the
> >position of Commander in Chief. As I remember it, the two guys the GOP put

> >up against the current draft dodger both faught in the military. My cousin

> >dodged the draft too, and probably wouldn't mind being President either. I
> >decline to include him in the debate too for the same obvious reasons.
>

> in case you hadn't notice knopp, they both fought in a different war
> than the war Clinton refused.

How does that change the fact that Clinton was a draft dodger, and the
other two weren't?

[K. Knopp]

gdy5...@prairie.lakes.com (gdy5...@prairie.lakes.com)

> kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:
>
> >hkil...@osf1.gmu.edu (HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.) wrote:

>
> >K. Knopp (kkn...@citynet.ha.net) wrote:
> >: In article
> >: <Pine.A32.3.93.970707...@mustique.u.arizona.edu>, Milt
> >: <msh...@U.Arizona.EDU> wrote:
>
> ><SNIP>
>
> >> : > If you guys agree to stop calling Clinton and others "draft dodgers",
> >> : > we'll stop pointing out the literally hundreds of Republicans who
> dodged
> >> : > the draft, too. Deal?
> >>
> >> : I will as soon as the guy who Clinton wrote requesting to go to the ROTC
> >> : stops it. Besides, who many of those people who "dodged" the draft then
> >> : went on to request that the be put in charge of the military?
> >>

> >> Let's see. There's Quayle, Forbes, Gramm, Kemp, Buchanan, and Noot
> >> certainly would if he could. We don't even know who will run in 2000, but
> >> chances are there will be a GOP chicken hawk in the race.
>
> >Which one of these men have been found worthy of being the GOP's nominee as
> >the Commander in Chief?
>

> Hey knopp where the hell is the consitutional requirement that the
> prez has to have sreved in the military?

There isn't one. Just as there isn't a constitutional requirement that the
prez has to be honest, or obey the law if he can get away with it.

[Milt]

On Sat, 12 Jul 1997, K. Knopp wrote:

:Milt <msh...@U.Arizona.EDU>

:
:> On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, K. Knopp wrote:
:>
:> :lo...@midtown.net (loki) wrote:
:
:<SNIP>
:
:> :> Doesn't wash. You said that Clinton "loathed the military". No where
:> :
:> :I said in his letter, Clinton had expressed "loathing for it". There is a
:> :difference which I explained above.
:>
:> Oh, so if Jesse Jackson says that "some white people loathe black people",
:> he is then "expressing loathing" for black people? Knopp, this is even
:
:If Jesse Jackson gives a speach were he lists all the reasons why he
:doesn't want to have anything to do with white people, and that states that
:he hopes that his dialog would help people to understand why some blacks
:just can't help but loathe the white man, then YES, he would be expressing
:his loathing for white people.

Again, you show an analogous deficiency. What Clinton expressed was his
desire to not get drafted to Viet Nam, which was a fear that 3/4 of the
country had at the time. What he expressed was an UNDESTANDING of why some
people loathe the military. It's like, I don't personally loathe logic
classes, but I can UNDERSTAND why some people would...

:> disingenuous for you. Why don't you just admit that you mis-spoke, and get
:
:Because I didn't.
:
Sure you did. That's why you're so defensive about it, and unable to
explain it.

:> over it. Clinton has never expressed loathing for the military. He did

:> express loathing for the war, however, as did most people in the country
:
:Were did he say "I loathe the war"?

I said he "expressed loathing". I didn't quote him...
:
:> at that time. That is not the same as loathing the military...

:
:But that's what he said.
:

Oh-- so, you're contradicting yourself yet again. You say he expressed
loathing for the military, but that it wasn't his loathing. Now you say he
did loathe the miltary. On what do you base this, odell?

:> :> in the exerpts above does he make that claim. Overlooking for a moment

:> :
:> :Did you not read my reply above? I never said that Clinton said "I loathe
:> :the military".
:>
:> Yeah, you did. You said he "expressed loathing for the military." One
:
:There is a difference between someone saying and expressing something.
:Surely you know the difference.

:
Yes, I do. But it is impossible for me to do either for you, or vice
versa. You cannot express my loathing, and I cannot express yours. What he
said was that he could "understand" how some people loathed the military.
I also love how you have split this sentence in a lame attempt to change
the context. Neat-o...

:> person cannot express loathing for other people, Knopp. He said there were

:
:You can express loathing for a group that you are a part of.

:
But I cannot express YOUR loathing for something. I can understand and
empathise with your loathing for you...

:> people out there who loathed the military. This is not the same as

:> expressing loathing...
:
:He was telling HIS story....not some other people's stories....not his
:Grandman's story....not his mailman's story. HIS STORY. HIS reasons for
:not wanting to register...HIS reasons for not running to Canada only so
:that he could still run for office later. HE...HIM...BILL CLINTON. Why
:would HIS story explain this loathing if he wasn't a member of the "some"
:he was talking about?
:

What he said was, he could "understand" why some loathed the military.
That is like someone saying, as several of my black and female friends do,
that they "understand" why some people show prejdice toward others. That
doesn't mean that they feel those prejudices, or that they even condone
them. They just understand where they come from.

:> :> that the note was specifically about our involvement in Vietnam as

:> :> opposed to our efforts in World War 2, for example, no where does he
:> :
:> :And Clinton's view on the subject, which he hoped would help Col. Holmes
:> :understand how some could find themselves "loathing the military". Just as
:> :I said.
:> :
:> Yep. And empathising with a pregnant woman can't make a man pregnant,
:> knopp. I can understand why some people feel the way they do about other
:> races, depending on their experiences. That doesn't mean I feel that way,
:> or that I can condone it, either...
:
:But if you tell people why it is that you hate black people, then suggested
:that your explanation might help others understand how it is that many
:loathe the others races, than you too would be one of the loathers. You
:need to read the whole letter in order to properly put his statements in
:context.
:

Clinton never expressed that he hated the military. He did, otoh, express
a desire not to go to Vietnam, which was widespread at the time. Put this
into some historical perspective. Vietnam was not a popular "war". The
draft, as implemented during this "war" was very unfair, and millions of
young men were scared to death of having their lives disrupted. Parents
were buying their kids admission to universities to keep them out of the
draft. College professors were giving higher grades to people, to keep
them in school and out of the draft. Doctors were paid to come up with an
illness that would keep them out. People who weren't gay, became gay, for
the duration of the draft. What Clinton did was among the more honest ways
to keep out of a war that he objected to the United States being involved
in. This was very common, and was the major basis for the war protests in
the late 60s. Nixon recognized this, and that's why he instituted
Vietnamization, and changed the strategy to an air, rather than ground,
war. He figured, the fewer ground troops, the fewer draftees, and the
fewer draftees, the lesser the protest. That is why Clinton finally
dropped his campaign to stay out of the draft, and accepted his lottery
position. That was Nion's plan. By instituting the lottery, eliminating
most deferments, and using fewer draftees, (by 1971 almost no one was
drafted), it was almost impossible to claim unfairness. In other words,
Clinton was doing what MOST young men were trying to do, which was to
angle their way out of the draft by any means possible. And his reaction
to the draft lottery was exactly what Nixon had hoped for...

:> :> claim to loath the military. I for example "understand" why some

:> :> peolpe would vote for Pat Buchanan, but I certainly wouldn't do so.
:> :
:> :If you wrote a letter giving the reasons why you felt that Buchanon
:> :wouldn't be a very good President, and why you aren't going to vote for
:> :him, and feel that he is a creep, and then ended your letter hoping that
:> :the receiver of your note was helped to understand why some "loathe Pat
:> :Buchanon"...are you saying you aren't the one expressing this feeling?
:> :
:> Oh, so now, you're contradicting yourself. Now you say he DID say he
:> loathed the military. But the example above is in no way analogous, so try
:> something else...
:
:Welp. That settles it. You claim that it's not analogous, so it's not.
:No more explanation needed! Thanks. hehe

:
Yep. Guess so. hehe...

[Woof]

In article <kknopp-ya02408000...@news.citynet.net>,
kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:

> wo...@woofwoofwoof.com (Woof) wrote:
>
> > In article <kknopp-ya02408000...@news.citynet.net>,
> > kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:
> >
> > > It says that I am able to coherently read a sentence in context, and you
> > > may not have the same ability.
> > >
> > > I haven't repeated any lies. In Mr. Clinton's letter to Col. Holmes
> > > thanking him for "saving me from the draft"(12/3/69), Clinton wrote giving
> > > the reasons that he was opposed "to the draft and the war". In closing,
> > > he expressed to Holmes that he hoped his letter, detailing his feelings on
> > > why he wished to stay out of the military, would help him to "understand
> > > more clearly how so many fine people have come to find themselves still
> > > loving their country but loathing the military."
> >
> > Interesting. You put a period after the word "military" and then a
> > quotation mark.
> >
> > Was this an accident? Or did you do this deliberately? IF it was not an
> > accident, what does it say about your honesty?
>
> It was an accident (typo). The period should have been included after the
> quotation marks.

You mean YOU LEFT OUT PART OF THE SENTENCE TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE HE SAID
SOMETHING ELSE!

[jer...@creighton.edu]

In a very real sense Gore did recieve votes. You do not vote strictly for
the Presidnet. The balot always has the Presidential and
Vice-Presidential candidate. Gore recieved many votes as vice president.

[Mitchell Holman]

In article <kknopp-ya02408000...@news.citynet.net>, kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:

}
}How does that change the fact that Clinton was a draft dodger, and the
}other two weren't?
}

OK, have it your way. Now explain why the Nixon Justice
Department, amoungst all the other draft dodging prosecutions,
never even *investigated* Clinton, much less prosecuted him.

Mitchell Holman

"I want to be Robin to Bush's Batman."
-- Senator Dan Quayle

[Michael Zarlenga]

Mitchell Holman (hol...@cyberramp.net) wrote:
: OK, have it your way. Now explain why the Nixon Justice

: Department, amoungst all the other draft dodging prosecutions,
: never even *investigated* Clinton, much less prosecuted him.

Professional courtesy among crooks?

--
-- Mike Zarlenga
finger zarl...@conan.ids.net for PGP public key

"Government is like a fire. It is a dangerous servant and a
fearful master." George Washington.

[Mitchell Holman]

In article <5q8pbe$u...@paperboy.ids.net>, zarl...@conan.ids.net (Michael Zarlenga) wrote:

}Mitchell Holman (hol...@cyberramp.net) wrote:
}: OK, have it your way. Now explain why the Nixon Justice
}: Department, amoungst all the other draft dodging prosecutions,
}: never even *investigated* Clinton, much less prosecuted him.
}
}Professional courtesy among crooks?
}

Not very original. I rather expected something along
the lines of "Clinton wasn't prosecuted because Nixon
had a soft spot for young liberal anti-war protesters."
That would be as consistent as anything else the
Clinton hate-mongers are posting these days......

Mitchell Holman

" Let's say Castro likes Clinton because Clinton's a softie. Well what's
the best thing he could do? Shoot down some planes, and give Clinton a
chance to be really tough, so as to shore up his support in Florida, with
the Cuban-Americans, who desperately want anybody to be tough with Castro."
Rush Limbaugh, Feb 27, 1996

[Marty]

ba...@nospamvnet.ibm.com wrote:
>
> In <5q3knq$c...@portal.gmu.edu>, hkil...@osf1.gmu.edu (HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.) writes:
> [snip]
> >And how about a heartbeat away - Kemp and Quayle?
>
> Tell me, O Great Student; when did Kemp become 2nd in line for the presidency?

Never did, never will! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

[RHA]

In article <kknopp-ya02408000...@news.citynet.net>,
K. Knopp <kkn...@citynet.ha.net> wrote:

>hol...@cyberramp.net (Mitchell Holman) wrote:
>
>In article <kknopp-ya02408000...@news.citynet.net>,
>kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:
>

>> }I haven't repeated any lies. In Mr. Clinton's letter to Col. Holmes
>> }thanking him for "saving me from the draft"(12/3/69), Clinton wrote giving
>> }the reasons that he was opposed "to the draft and the war". In closing,
>> }he expressed to Holmes that he hoped his letter, detailing his feelings on
>> }why he wished to stay out of the military, would help him to "understand
>> }more clearly how so many fine people have come to find themselves still
>> }loving their country but loathing the military."
>> }
>>

>> Now now, Knopp, you are deliberately editing here to suit your
>> narrow purposes. The entire sentence reads:
>>
>> "I am writing too in the hope that my telling this one
>> story will help you to understand more clearly how so many
>> fine young people have come to find themselves still loving
>> their country but loathing the military, to which you and
>> other good men have devoted years, lifetimes, of the best
>> service you could give."
>>
>> So he calls soldiers and officers "good men" who "devoted years,
>
>The soldiers he respects, the military itself is what he expressed the
>loathing for.
>
>> lifetimes, of the best service you could give," and yet the right wing
>> still wants us to believe that he's saying he loathed the military.
>>
>> Secondly, take that offending clause apart and look at it
>> again. Who is doing the "loathing" - the author, or "many
>> fine young people", that is to say, people OTHER than the
>> author?
>
>Who's "story" is it that the author says he hopes will help the Col.
>understand the "loathing"?

I'm curious, have you ever answered your country's call?
--
rha

[Halifax]

Mitchell Holman wrote:
>
> In article <kknopp-ya02408000...@news.citynet.net>, kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:
>
> }

> }How does that change the fact that Clinton was a draft dodger, and the
> }other two weren't?
> }
>

> OK, have it your way. Now explain why the Nixon Justice
> Department, amoungst all the other draft dodging prosecutions,
> never even *investigated* Clinton, much less prosecuted him.
>
>

That wasn't a priority of any means and he was basically a needle in a
haystack of draft dodgers.

[Mark Edward Balcom]

Jim Kennemur wrote:
>
> Ever heard of the 12th Amendment Mark? It was in all the papers!
>

After reading the entire text, I stand corrected. (when was the last time
you heard a liberal admit that?)

However, in actual point of fact, even though that is what the
Constitution calls for, the ticket is voted as a unit as proposed by the
party conventions and as the names appear on the ballot, as a team, not
individually. It is not the case that a president selected by one party
and a vice president selected by another will or can be ellected, as our
process is actually put into practice.

Mark
=========================================================================

[Mark Edward Balcom]

jer...@creighton.edu wrote:
>
> In a very real sense Gore did recieve votes. You do not vote strictly for
> the Presidnet. The balot always has the Presidential and
> Vice-Presidential candidate.

They appear as a team. Is it possible, in your state , to vote for a
presidential candidate from one party and a vice presidential candidate
from another? I will wager that , just as in Oregon, you cast one vote
for the team and that your official electors are bound by the popular
vcote. Is that not the case?

Mark

[Bob Lawrence]

Mark Edward Balcom <ma...@vr-net.com> wrote:

always has the Presidential and
<>> Vice-Presidential candidate.
<>
<>They appear as a team. Is it possible, in your state , to vote for a
<>presidential candidate from one party and a vice presidential candidate
<>from another? I will wager that , just as in Oregon, you cast one vote
<>for the team and that your official electors are bound by the popular
<>vcote. Is that not the case?
<>
<>Mark

Originally there was no race for VP-the number two man in the Presidentila race
automatically becam VP. This lasted, i beleive, for about the forst 4
Presidential elections at which point our fouders determined it really wasnt a
good idea. Sinc then(1802 I bvelieve0 they have run coupled-you vote for the
team-its the same in all 50 States.

Robert Lawrence
lawr...@arthes.com

[gdy5...@prairie.lakes.com]

ri...@praline.no.neosoft.com (RHA) wrote:

>In article <5q6j9k$je1$1...@usenet85.supernews.com>,

>gdy5...@prairie.lakes.com <gdy5...@prairie.lakes.com> wrote:
>>kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:
>>

>>>tho...@best.com (Thomas Andrews) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <kknopp-ya02408000...@news.citynet.net>,

>>>K. Knopp <kkn...@citynet.ha.net> wrote:
>>>>In article
>>>><Pine.A32.3.93.970707...@mustique.u.arizona.edu>, Milt
>>>><msh...@U.Arizona.EDU> wrote:
>>
>>><SNIP>
>>
>>>> >> If you guys agree to stop calling Clinton and others "draft dodgers",
>>>> >> we'll stop pointing out the literally hundreds of Republicans who dodged
>>>> >> the draft, too. Deal?
>>>> >
>>>> > I will as soon as the guy who Clinton wrote requesting to go to the ROTC
>>>> >stops it. Besides, who many of those people who "dodged" the draft then

>>>> >went on to request that the be put in charge of the military? Especially
>>>> >after expressing "loathing" for it.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Well, Clinton did not write that, he wrote that many of his generation
>>
>>>Your right, he didn't write "I loathe the military", and that's not what I
>>>claimed. He HAD expressed that he hoped his letter expressing his anti-war
>>>mentality would help Col. Holmes to understand how some "could loathe the
>>>military". Why on earth would you believe that a man would write a letter
>>>concerning his own views on the war, and why he didn't want to fight, and
>>>then say that the letter was talking about "others"? It doesn't make
>>>sense.
>>
>>>> loathed the military. Do you think that was false?
>>
>>>Yes. He never claimed that many (third person view) in his generation
>>>loathed the military.
>>

>>>> In any event, it is possible to loathe the military at one time and,
>>>> after reforms, no longer loathe it. Just as it is possible to
>>
>>>Yes, that is true. The question remains as to whether in his heart,
>>>Clinton still loathes the military and still feels that dishonestly
>>>avoiding service was the proper moral thing to do, given the fact that he
>>>is expected to possibly force others to do so.
>>
>>hey knopp the draft was done away with years ago, you moron they are
>>volunteers nodays.
>>

>>>> loathe city hall or loathe the police department until reforms are
>>>> made.
>>
>>>So does he still loathe the military or not? That's a good question. Give
>>>Thomas a silver star for the day!
>>>
>>>> But then, Ronny was put head of the Public Housing, the EPA, and the
>>>> Department of Education, both of which he thought should not exist,
>>>> at all :-)
>>
>>>Which both? The point wasn't whether or not it's proper for a President to
>>>be in charge of something he doesn't believe in. The point was IS the
>>
>>another line of shit from the knopped eared. I bet there has been more
>>than one prez or govenor that has been opposed to the death penalty.
>>

>>>military something Clinton DOESN'T believe in. If it isn't, as he had
>>>suggested to Col. Holmes, then the American people have the right to know
>>>that and make judgements based on that stance. What has Clinton said as
>>>far as his feelings about his past dishonest dodging of the draft? Has he
>>>appologized? Does he still thing dodging the draft is a good thing, and
>>>that there isn't anything wrong with it? What kind of repercussions would
>>>result from us going to war under a president who didn't have a problem
>>>with draft dodging? There are very many questions that need to be
>>>answered, none of which Der Schlickmeister probably wishes to go into...
>>
>>did knopp ask the sam equestion from the chicken hawk danny boy when
>>he was a hearth beat away from being prez?

>> or pat the bigot when he was campaigning for the job?
>> or trick shoulder kemp durning the campagin?
>> or tricky dick the self avowed pacifist?

> "tricky dick"? Nixon? Nixon was a naval officer in WWII.

> Dick "I wanna study to be a minister until the War in
> Vietnam ends, then I wanna be Secretary of Defense and
> run the military" Cheney? Ya gotta clarify which "tricky"
> ya mean.

tricky the quaker

>--
>rha

[Mitchell Holman]

In article <kknopp-ya02408000...@news.citynet.net>, kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:

}hol...@cyberramp.net (Mitchell Holman) wrote:
}
}In article <kknopp-ya02408000...@news.citynet.net>,

You *can* parse a sentence, can't you?

Again, who is the "themselves" that are loving
their country but loathing the military?

Mitchell Holman

"Women should not be allowed on juries where the accused is a stud."
-Rush Limbaugh, "See, I Told You So"

[Mitchell Holman]

In article <33C80E...@VanNet.com>, Hal...@VanNet.com wrote:

}Mitchell Holman wrote:
}>
}> In article <kknopp-ya02408000...@news.citynet.net>,
} kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:
}>
}> }

}> }How does that change the fact that Clinton was a draft dodger, and the
}> }other two weren't?
}> }
}>
}> OK, have it your way. Now explain why the Nixon Justice
}> Department, amoungst all the other draft dodging prosecutions,
}> never even *investigated* Clinton, much less prosecuted him.
}>
}>
}That wasn't a priority of any means and he was basically a needle in a
}haystack of draft dodgers.

If Clinton was just "a needle in a haystack of draft dodgers",
why are the neo-cons so worked up over his "treasonable"
trip to Moscow.

A trip to Moscow, mind you, that was also approved of by
the Nixon State Department.

Funny how all this treason and draftdodging when unnoticed,
much less unpunished by the government. Unless, of course,
there was never any treason and draftdodging at all........

Mitchell Holman

"Congressmen are not bribed anymore. They simply have a lot of friends who
are willing to help them out whenever they find it necessary."
--Newt Gingrich, candidate for Congress, 1974

[Milt]

On Sat, 12 Jul 1997, Mark Edward Balcom wrote:

:jer...@creighton.edu wrote:
:>
:> In a very real sense Gore did recieve votes. You do not vote strictly for

:> the Presidnet. The balot always has the Presidential and

:> Vice-Presidential candidate.
:
:They appear as a team. Is it possible, in your state , to vote for a
:presidential candidate from one party and a vice presidential candidate
:from another? I will wager that , just as in Oregon, you cast one vote
:for the team and that your official electors are bound by the popular
:vcote. Is that not the case?
:
:Mark

:
Actually, it doesn't mmatter what state you're in, you vote for the
electors, not the ticket. And they are always bound to voting for the
candidates they represent on the first ballot. (It seems to me that there
is one state that has a different rule, but I can't remember which one) A
great book on this system is "The People's Choice", by Jeff Greenfield.
Cjeck it out, it's really great...

[George Grapman]

There is one restriction on electors- the electors can not vote for
both a president and a vice-president from their own state.

To reply please delete "NOSPAM" from address.

[jer...@creighton.edu]

Only 5% of the men of Clinton's generation went to Vietnam. The chance
that he was drafted and dodged the draft is about 5%. Try another way to
slander Clinton.

Besides, anyone dumb enough to fight the Vietnam war should not be
considered for president of the US. It was a dumb war that cost the US
many lives. If the US had won, what would we have done? Spent billions
on modernizing Vietnam so that they could protect themselves from
Communism? This despite that fact that most of the country was in favor
of the communists.

On Sun, 13 Jul 1997, gdy5...@prairie.lakes.com wrote:

> ri...@praline.no.neosoft.com (RHA) wrote:
>
> >In article <5q6j9k$je1$1...@usenet85.supernews.com>,
> >gdy5...@prairie.lakes.com <gdy5...@prairie.lakes.com> wrote:
> >>kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:
> >>

> >>>tho...@best.com (Thomas Andrews) wrote:
> >>
> >>>In article <kknopp-ya02408000...@news.citynet.net>,

[Van]

<jer...@creighton.edu> banged out:

>Only 5% of the men of Clinton's generation went to Vietnam. The chance
>that he was drafted and dodged the draft is about 5%. Try another way to
>slander Clinton.

>Besides, anyone dumb enough to fight the Vietnam war should not be
>considered for president of the US. It was a dumb war that cost the US
>many lives. If the US had won, what would we have done? Spent billions
>on modernizing Vietnam so that they could protect themselves from
>Communism? This despite that fact that most of the country was in favor
>of the communists.

Yes, and with six times more ordinance dropped south of the 17th
parallel than north of it, the pacification/Pheonix program which
cleared whole areas in the south of population, the liberal use of
agent orange and napalm - and this in a dirt poor country half a world
away - with "friends" like us, who needs enemies.

Van
--

-----------------------------------------------------------
To live is to battle with trolls
in the vaults of heart and brain
To write: that is to sit
in judgement over one's self.

-Ibsen
------------------------------------------------------------

[gdy5...@prairie.lakes.com]

kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:

>gdy5...@prairie.lakes.com (gdy5...@prairie.lakes.com)

>> kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:
>>
>> >tho...@best.com (Thomas Andrews) wrote:

><SNIP>

>> >> In any event, it is possible to loathe the military at one time and,
>> >> after reforms, no longer loathe it. Just as it is possible to
>>
>> >Yes, that is true. The question remains as to whether in his heart,
>> >Clinton still loathes the military and still feels that dishonestly
>> >avoiding service was the proper moral thing to do, given the fact that he
>> >is expected to possibly force others to do so.
>>
>> hey knopp the draft was done away with years ago, you moron they are
>> volunteers nodays.

>Hey gdy90120U812, the draft can be put in place anytime there is a major

>war, and war can break out any time you moron.

ya I suppose those Cubans are going to start throwing bananas at us
real quick.

>>
>> >> loathe city hall or loathe the police department until reforms are
>> >> made.
>>
>> >So does he still loathe the military or not? That's a good question. Give
>> >Thomas a silver star for the day!
>> >
>> >> But then, Ronny was put head of the Public Housing, the EPA, and the
>> >> Department of Education, both of which he thought should not exist,
>> >> at all :-)
>>
>> >Which both? The point wasn't whether or not it's proper for a President to
>> >be in charge of something he doesn't believe in. The point was IS the
>>
>> another line of shit from the knopped eared. I bet there has been more
>> than one prez or govenor that has been opposed to the death penalty.

>Reading comprehension not your bag? I said that the point WASN'T whether

>or not it's proper for a President to be in charge of something he doesn't

>believe in. Talk about a line of sh*t!
>

>> >military something Clinton DOESN'T believe in. If it isn't, as he had
>> >suggested to Col. Holmes, then the American people have the right to know
>> >that and make judgements based on that stance. What has Clinton said as
>> >far as his feelings about his past dishonest dodging of the draft? Has he
>> >appologized? Does he still thing dodging the draft is a good thing, and
>> >that there isn't anything wrong with it? What kind of repercussions would
>> >result from us going to war under a president who didn't have a problem
>> >with draft dodging? There are very many questions that need to be
>> >answered, none of which Der Schlickmeister probably wishes to go into...
>>
>> did knopp ask the sam equestion from the chicken hawk danny boy when
>> he was a hearth beat away from being prez?

>I would when and if he decides to run for COC. Like I said, it's not so

>much a prerequisite, but the people have the right to now if you loathe the

>the force that protects our borders if you want to be in charge of it.

knopp gets caught in his own lie. squirm knopp squirm

>> or pat the bigot when he was campaigning for the job?
>> or trick shoulder kemp durning the campagin?
>> or tricky dick the self avowed pacifist?

>Red herrings?

and then knopp confirms that hes trapped in his own lie. squirm,
squirm.

[Mark Edward Balcom]

Jim Kennemur wrote:
>
>
>
> Very good. Some of that high school government is coming back to you.
>
> The situation you described happened in 1796. John Adams(Federalist)
> was elected President and Thomas Jefferson(Democrat-Republican) got
> the second highest electoral vote total so he was elected
> Vice-President.
>
> Shortly thereafter the 12th amendment was sent to the states for
> ratification.

And the way that elections are actually held, it can never happen again.
When was the last time that the vote was NOT for the team, as selected by
the party convention?
>
> We liberals try to know about the things we post about.
>

Vary rarely, However, Enjoy this one.

It will likely be a long time before you get the chance, again.

Mark

[Mark Edward Balcom]

Bob Lawrence wrote:
>
>
> Originally there was no race for VP-the number two man in the Presidentila race
> automatically becam VP. This lasted, i beleive, for about the forst 4
> Presidential elections at which point our fouders determined it really wasnt a
> good idea.

That explains the Adams, Jefferson team up, which was NOT unique,
apparently.

>Sinc then(1802 I bvelieve0 they have run coupled-you vote for the
> team-its the same in all 50 States.
>

That is what I thought. So! It is quite a little technicality that I was
caught on. In actuallity, they way it is done, you really DON"T vote for
the VP. At least not AS SUCH. Thank you.

Mark

[Mark Edward Balcom]

Jim Kennemur wrote:
>
>
>
> Learn to admit when you are wrong and don't just prolong your misery,
> Mark.
>

I ask, again, when was the last time that a presidential election
actually allowed you to pick and chose, mix and match, rather than being
forced to vote for the team, as selected by the party convention?

I didn't accuse you of editing the quote from the 12th ammendment. I
admitted, after reading the entire text myself, that what you said is
indeed what appears to be required by the Constitution. Isn't it
interesting that elections are NOT actually done that way?

Mark

[Mark Edward Balcom]

Jim Kennemur wrote:
>
>
> West Virginia, 1988.
>
>

Are you telling us that West Virginia does NOT vote for the ticket
selected by the various party conventions? Are you actually able to pick
and chose, mix and match, rather than voting for the team? If that is
true, how many other states follow that system?

Always willing to learn.

Mark

[HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.]

ba...@nospamvnet.ibm.com wrote:
: In <5q3knq$c...@portal.gmu.edu>, hkil...@osf1.gmu.edu (HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.) writes:
: [snip]
: >And how about a heartbeat away - Kemp and Quayle?

: Tell me, O Great Student; when did Kemp become 2nd in line for the presidency?

: Something happen to Mr. algore?

Are you still trying to prove you received a social promotion to graduate
from high school?

We were talking about who the GOP put up as nominees. Of course, you
haven't ever cut anything out of any postings - until now.

: *************************************************************************
: Dane Basch
: dane_basch@*mindspring*.com

(silly sig deleted)

--
Buddy K

[Black Dragon]

In article
<Pine.A32.3.93.970708...@mustique.u.arizona.edu>, Milt
<msh...@U.Arizona.EDU> wrote:

> On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, The Centurion wrote:
>
> :In article <kknopp-ya02408000...@news.citynet.net>,

> : kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:
> :>In article
> :><Pine.A32.3.93.970707...@mustique.u.arizona.edu>,
> :Milt
> :><msh...@U.Arizona.EDU> wrote:

> :>
> :>> On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, Mark Edward Balcom wrote:
> :>>
> :>> :Terry Coppage wrote:
> :>>
> :>> :> Limba's "medical deferrment" was a dirty ass.
> :>> :
> :>> :And this "fact" is based on what? By the way, I knew a number of
> :guys
> :>> :who's medical defferments were based on family physician
> :examinations in
> :>> :those years.
> :>>
> :>> Of course, not everyone had a father who was a judge, and who had
> :>> political connections...
> :>>
> :>> Tell you the truth, this stupid issue just needs to go away. Only
> :2% of
> :>> all eligible men were ever drafted, and to say that one "dodged"
> :it
> :>> because he used a deferment, whether "legit" or not is a strawman,
> :because
> :>> even without the deferments, most of these people wouldn't have
> :gone.
> :>>
> :>> If you guys agree to stop calling Clinton and others "draft

> :dodgers",
> :>> we'll stop pointing out the literally hundreds of Republicans who
> :dodged
> :>> the draft, too. Deal?
> :>
> :> I will as soon as the guy who Clinton wrote requesting to go to the
> :ROTC
> :>stops it. Besides, who many of those people who "dodged" the draft
> :then
> :>went on to request that the be put in charge of the military?
> :Especially
> :>after expressing "loathing" for it.
> :

> Well, lessee...
> We had one who, for four years was a heartbeat away from that position. We
> now have one that is two heartbeats away from it. Are you, Knopp, about to
> use the same standards should either Danny "daddy got me into the national
> guard" Quayle or Newt "can I stay in college so's I can get a deferment,
> please oh please????" Gingrich run for president?
> Because they were actively IN FAVOR of the war, and actively tried to get
> out of it. Now, I don't have a dictionary in front of me, but the word
> hypocrisy is coming to mind about now. Oh yeah. And the word
> "chickenhawk". Perhaps your familiar with the term...
>
> :Well said! Rush Limbaugh cannot TAX you...cannot JAIL you....cannot
> :KILL you and cannot order you off to kill OTHERS! Slick Willy can do
> :and has DONE ALL of these!
>
> Lessee what a moke this here Centurion is, shall we? Bill Clinton cannot
> tax you. That takes Congress AND the president to pull off. And Bill
> Clinton cannot jail anyone. That takes a judge and/or a jury. And I would
> venture to say that a president cannot kill anyone legally. And as for
> sending you off to kill others, well, are you in the military? If not,
> then he can't, unless the draft is reinstated, which would take that pesky
> Congress again.
>
> Look, you asshole! Clinton was elected by the American people. You don;t
> have to like it, and you don't have to agree with it. But you do have to
> accept it. Think about it; the people of the US elected him president,
> even though he actively tried to get out of the Vietnam war. MOST people
> DID!!! Did you ever wonder why black people made up about 12% of the
> population then, but nearly 45% of the fighting force? It was because
> every white person with even a slight connection was trying to get their
> kid or their friend's kid out of the goddamned draft. It was a sign of the
> times, and it is irrelevant 30 years later. I'm telling you; if you want
> to make this an issue, then it WILL come up and bite you in the ass. Think
> about this; a possible presidential race between Al Gore and Dan Quayle.
> NOW, how do you fell about the issue, dumbass???
>
> :Of course libocrit DemoRATS are too
> :STUPID to see the difference between a talk show host and the
> :malignancy at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
> :
> No, that's the point, you asshole! There's a LOT of difference, and the
> edge in credibility, class and brains sure as shit goes to the president.
>
> --Milt
> http://www.u.arizona.edu/~mshook
>

So true, so true. I'm glad to see there are at least a FEW voices of
intelligence on this otherwise robot and bigot-filled NewsGroup. Clinton
never killed anyone ( but the 'pubbies will be happy to make up lies that
he did. ) and I doubt he would. I don't like the fact that Clinton now
acts somewhat like the right-wingers in his policies, but better him than
someone like Dole or Buchanan. At least Clinton fights against bigotry
instead of turning a blind eye to it . . . like the Republicans.

> "We are taught to believe that there's an invisible man, who lives in the
> sky, who has a list of ten things he doesn't want you to do, who watches
> you every minute, and if you do something he doesn't like, you're going to
> burn forever. YET HE LOVES YOU!"
> --George Carlin, on Politically Incorect, May 29, 1997

--
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[Woof]

In article <kknopp-ya02408000...@news.citynet.net>,
kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:

> gdy5...@prairie.lakes.com (gdy5...@prairie.lakes.com) wrote:
>
> > kkn...@citynet.ha.net (K. Knopp) wrote:
> >

> > >wo...@woofwoof.com (woof) wrote:
> >
> > <SNIP>
> >
> > >> Clinton was AGAINST THE WAR and avoided the draft.
> > >>
> > >> Quayle, Gingrich, Limbaugh, Kemp, etc... were -FOR THE WAR- as long as
> > >> OTHERS went and not them.
> > >>
> > >> Do you understand the difference?
> >
> > >Yes, I do. The difference is that not one single man you mentioned has yet
> > >to be found worthy by it's party to be elected as it's nominee to the
> > >position of Commander in Chief. As I remember it, the two guys the GOP put
> > >up against the current draft dodger both faught in the military. My cousin
> > >dodged the draft too, and probably wouldn't mind being President either. I
> > >decline to include him in the debate too for the same obvious reasons.
> >
> > in case you hadn't notice knopp, they both fought in a different war
> > than the war Clinton refused.

>
> How does that change the fact that Clinton was a draft dodger, and the
> other two weren't?

He got a student deferrment. That is not draft dodging. You are a
wild-eyed SORE LOSER REPUBLICAN!

[Rack Jite]

Comes Rack Jite's conservatively incorrect reply to whatever it was
Milt <msh...@U.Arizona.EDU> was saying...

*:I remember the '60s. Guys sat around smoking a joint and saying "war is
*:a bad trip, man."
*:English translation: I'm chickenshit, and too lazy to run to Canada.

*I remember the 60's too. If you were white, and had either a little bit of
*money, or knew someone, you didn't go. If you were newtie or Rush or
*Gramm, you either took some classes you didn't need or got daddy to give
*someone a note to get out of it.
*English translation; I'm a hypocrite. I'm all for this war, as long as the
*only people who have to go are poor whites, hispanics and blacks, and I
*don't have to go...

CHARACTER MATTERS

The Democratic leadership in the House and Senate:

·House Minority Leader Richard Gephardt-Served his country in uniform,
1965-71
·House Minority Whip David Bonior-Served his country in uniform,
1968-72
·Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle-Served his country in uniform,
1969-72
·President of the Senate Albert Gore-Served his country in uniform,
1969-71

The Republican leadership in the House and Senate:

· Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich-avoided the draft, did not serve.

· Majority Leader Dick Armey- avoided the draft, did not serve.
· Majority Whip Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve.
· Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott-avoided the draft, did not serve.

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of conservatives, it's their pride in it that passes me by.
--------------------------------------------
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[George Grapman]

If reading the Constitution was a rquirement for posting here these
groups would not have as much clutter. Gore received the same number of
electoarl votes (in a seperate balloting) for Vice-President and Clinton
did for President.

Mark Edward Balcom wrote:
> Actually, Gore didn't receive ONE SINGLE electoral vote. Clinton did.
>
> Mark

[Rush Limbaugh]

Woof wrote:

> He got a student deferrment. That is not draft dodging. You are a
> wild-eyed SORE LOSER REPUBLICAN!
>
> --
> Woof - so I don't get any more SPAM!!!

Whatever. Bill Clinton doesn't seem to be interested in serving his
nation unless it is low risk and feeds his massive ego.

--
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/9152

[Milt]

On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Rush Limbaugh wrote:

:
And Rush Limbaugh has no ego whatsoever. You could fit Bill's, Hillary's
and half the cabinet's heads inside of Rush's swollen cranium...

--Milt
http://www.u.arizona.edu/~mshook

"The genius of the Constitution rests not in any static meaning it may
have had in a world that is dead and gone, but in the adaptability of its
great principles to cope with current problems and present needs."

Former Justice, the late William Brennan

[Woof]

In article <33E12CD4...@geocities.com>, rush_l...@geocities.com wrote:

> Woof wrote:
>
> > He got a student deferrment. That is not draft dodging. You are a
> > wild-eyed SORE LOSER REPUBLICAN!
> >
> > --
> > Woof - so I don't get any more SPAM!!!
>
> Whatever. Bill Clinton doesn't seem to be interested in serving his
> nation unless it is low risk and feeds his massive ego.

Clinton is brave enough to get out in front of crowds that include many
SORE LOSER REPUBLICANS whipped up by your namesake. That's pretty brave
with people getting on the radio whipping up all kinds of hatred against
him.

Your namesake Rush Limbaugh managed to do pretty good at AVOIDING serving
his country when the time came.

[Rush Limbaugh]

Jim Kennemur wrote:

> >Whatever. Bill Clinton doesn't seem to be interested in serving his
> >nation unless it is low risk and feeds his massive ego.
>

> As opposed to that great patriot Rush Limpballs who did not serve
> because of an ingrown hair on his fat ass.
>
> Jim

So your point is that Rush, a talk show host, is a coward and Bill
Clinton, the president of the United States, is a coward with a big
ego. Boy, you liberals really make a convincing case for voting
Democratic. 8^)

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[William Rapp]

: >> He got a student deferrment. That is not draft dodging. You are a
: >> wild-eyed SORE LOSER REPUBLICAN!
: >Whatever. Bill Clinton doesn't seem to be interested in serving his

: >nation unless it is low risk and feeds his massive ego.

Clinton went to Moscow instead (a 'little' suspicious, no?)

: ========================================================================
: The first priest was the first rogue who met the first fool.
: Voltaire
: =========================================================================

'Voltaire learned his mistake when he went to hell, arrogance is a sin'
'Judge not, lest thou be judged' - In Bible Somewhere

-AS

[Mitchell Holman]

In article <5rs44k$h6f$3...@nnrp1.crl.com>, William Rapp <pts...@crl3.crl.com> wrote:

}
}Clinton went to Moscow instead (a 'little' suspicious, no?)
}

So did the current Mrs Bob Dole. The same year as Clinton,
as a matter of fact. Must be a closet commie as well, right?

Mitchell Holman

"Maybe there is an answer - we do what is normally right. Stop doing
business with them and let their system collapse"
Ronald Reagan, opposing wheat sales to Russia, 10/29/75. Ironically,
one of Reagan's first acts as president was to resume wheat sales
to Russia, previously halted by Carter following the Soviet invasion
of Afganistan.

[Thomas Andrews]

In article <5rs44k$h6f$3...@nnrp1.crl.com>,
William Rapp <pts...@crl3.crl.com> wrote:

>: >> He got a student deferrment. That is not draft dodging. You are a
>: >> wild-eyed SORE LOSER REPUBLICAN!
>: >Whatever. Bill Clinton doesn't seem to be interested in serving his
>: >nation unless it is low risk and feeds his massive ego.
>

>Clinton went to Moscow instead (a 'little' suspicious, no?)
>

Ummm, no, not even remotely suspicious. Rhodes Scholars are given
a stipend for travel, and many Rhodes Scholars used it to explore
both eastern and western Europe, including, yes, Moscow.

--
Thomas Andrews tho...@best.com http://www.best.com/~thomaso/
"Show me somebody who is always smiling, always cheerful, always
optimistic, and I will show you somebody who hasn't the faintest
idea what the heck is really going on." - Mike Royko

[HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.]

William Rapp (pts...@crl3.crl.com) wrote:
: : >> He got a student deferrment. That is not draft dodging. You are a
: : >> wild-eyed SORE LOSER REPUBLICAN!
: : >Whatever. Bill Clinton doesn't seem to be interested in serving his
: : >nation unless it is low risk and feeds his massive ego.

: Clinton went to Moscow instead (a 'little' suspicious, no?)

And Nixon went to China.

: : ========================================================================

: : The first priest was the first rogue who met the first fool.
: : Voltaire
: : =========================================================================

: 'Voltaire learned his mistake when he went to hell,

Proof?

: arrogance is a sin'

Which says what about your previous statement?

: 'Judge not, lest thou be judged' - In Bible Somewhere

Which says what about your judgment of Voltaire?

: -AS

--
Buddy K

[Conservative Republican]

Woof wrote:
>
> In article <33E12CD4...@geocities.com>, rush_l...@geocities.com wrote:
>

> > Woof wrote:
> >
> > > He got a student deferrment. That is not draft dodging. You are a
> > > wild-eyed SORE LOSER REPUBLICAN!
> > >

> > > --
> > > Woof - so I don't get any more SPAM!!!
> >

> > Whatever. Bill Clinton doesn't seem to be interested in serving his
> > nation unless it is low risk and feeds his massive ego.
>

> Clinton is brave enough to get out in front of crowds that include many
> SORE LOSER REPUBLICANS whipped up by your namesake. That's pretty brave
> with people getting on the radio whipping up all kinds of hatred against
> him.
>
> Your namesake Rush Limbaugh managed to do pretty good at AVOIDING serving
> his country when the time came.
>
> --
> Woof - so I don't get any more SPAM!!!

LImbaugh had a MEDICAL deferment you twit

[Milt]

On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Conservative Republican wrote:

:
No, Limbaugh SAYS he had a medical deferment, you twit. Of course Rush
also tells us there's no ozone layer hole, and that Vince Foster was
murdered. Note that he has never divulged what the deferment was for.
Of course, his father was a judge, and a GOP honcho, so who knows...

[George Grapman]

A short recap of this thread:

Original poster accuses Clinton of draft dodging.Replies follow:

Rush avoided the draft
Rush had a medical deferment
Rush somehow avoided having to see an army doctor.
Rush is not the president so it does not matter.
So you would never vote for Quayle,Gingrich or Buchanan?
They never went to Russia.
They all supported the war.
Clinton was a draft dodger.
Rush avoided the draft.

To reply delete "NOSPAM" from address.

[Mitchell Holman]

In article <33E279...@inlink.com>, cn...@inlink.com wrote:

}LImbaugh had a MEDICAL deferment you twit

Right you are. That pimple on his butt was awfully convenient at
getting the draft board off his ass. How many doctors did he go thru
before finding one that would certify him 4F? Four or five, as I remember.

Funny also that armchair warrior Limbaugh never tried to enlist in any
other branch of service either. Could he have gotten into the Coast Guard,
the reserves, or the ROTC at the college he dropped out of? We will never
know, now will we.......

Mitchell Holman

"For the first time in military history, U.S. military personnel
are not under the command of United States generals."
Rush Limbaugh on Bosnia, forgetting that US troops served under
French generals in WWI and the Revolutionary War. (TV show, 4/18/94)

[Conservative Republican]

Milt,
1. he DID have a medical deferment
2.the hole was here before man was
3.his father was NOT a judge OR GOP honcho

[Conservative Republican]

Mitchell Holman wrote:
>
> In article <33E279...@inlink.com>, cn...@inlink.com wrote:
>

> }LImbaugh had a MEDICAL deferment you twit
>

> Right you are. That pimple on his butt was awfully convenient at
> getting the draft board off his ass. How many doctors did he go thru
> before finding one that would certify him 4F? Four or five, as I remember.
>
> Funny also that armchair warrior Limbaugh never tried to enlist in any
> other branch of service either. Could he have gotten into the Coast Guard,
> the reserves, or the ROTC at the college he dropped out of? We will never
> know, now will we.......
>
> Mitchell Holman
>
> "For the first time in military history, U.S. military personnel
> are not under the command of United States generals."
> Rush Limbaugh on Bosnia, forgetting that US troops served under
> French generals in WWI and the Revolutionary War. (TV show, 4/18/94)

so what if rush didnt enlist he had a legit medical condition his father
had the same
condition

[Rack Jite]

Comes Rack Jite's conservatively incorrect reply to whatever it was

Conservative Republican <cn...@inlink.com> was saying...

*> > > He got a student deferrment. That is not draft dodging. You are a
*> > > wild-eyed SORE LOSER REPUBLICAN!

*> Your namesake Rush Limbaugh managed to do pretty good at AVOIDING serving
*> his country when the time came.

*LImbaugh had a MEDICAL deferment you twit

Conservatives make great fun of President Clinton for questioning the
Vietnam War, standing up to his beliefs and questioning his own
participation in that war as well, i.e., being honest and walking the
walk of his own belief system at least for a time. On the other hand
there were literally millions of dishonest hypocritical, cowardly
right-wing loonies who supported the war while refusing to personally
participate. Here are just a few:

· Elliott Abrams - Sought deferment for bad back.
· Richard Armey - Sought college deferment, too smart to die.
· Bill Bennett - Sought graduate school deferment, too smart to die.
· Pat Buchanan - Sought deferment for bad knee.
· Dick Cheney - Sought graduate school deferment, too smart to die.
· Tom DeLay - - Sought college deferment, too smart to die.
· Newt Gingrich - Sought graduate school deferment, too smart to die.
· Phil Gramm - Sought marriage deferment, too loved to die.
· Jack Kemp - Sought medical deferment while in the NFL.
· Rush Limbaugh - Sought deferment for ingrown hair follicle on his
ass.
· Trent Lott - Sought deferment, didn't want to muss his hair.
· P.J. O'Rourke - Sought deferment, too stoned.
· Dan Quayle - Family got him into the Reserves.
· Pat Robertson - Father pulled him out of Korea as soon as the
shooting began.
· John Wayne - Sought deferment to further acting career.
· Vin Weber - Sought deferment for asthma.
· George Will - Sought deferment, too much of a wussy.

[Rack Jite]

Comes Rack Jite's conservatively incorrect reply to whatever it was
Conservative Republican <cn...@inlink.com> was saying...

*> > > He got a student deferrment. That is not draft dodging. You are a
*> > > wild-eyed SORE LOSER REPUBLICAN!

*> Your namesake Rush Limbaugh managed to do pretty good at AVOIDING serving
*> his country when the time came.

*LImbaugh had a MEDICAL deferment you twit

CHARACTER MATTERS

The Democratic leadership in the House and Senate:

· House Minority Leader Richard Gephardt - Served his country in
uniform, 1965-71
· House Minority Whip David Bonior - Served his country in uniform,
1968-72
· Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle - Served his country in uniform,
1969-72
· President of the Senate Albert Gore - Served his country in uniform,
1969-71

The Republican leadership in the House and Senate:
· Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich-avoided the draft, did not serve.

· Majority Leader Dick Armey- avoided the draft, did not serve.
· Majority Whip Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve.
· Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott-avoided the draft, did not serve.

[Conservative Republican]

Rack Jite wrote:
>
> Comes Rack Jite's conservatively incorrect reply to whatever it was
> Conservative Republican <cn...@inlink.com> was saying...
>
> *> > > He got a student deferrment. That is not draft dodging. You are a
> *> > > wild-eyed SORE LOSER REPUBLICAN!
>
> *> Your namesake Rush Limbaugh managed to do pretty good at AVOIDING serving
> *> his country when the time came.
>
> *LImbaugh had a MEDICAL deferment you twit
>

> ---
> I suppose I can understand the selfish callous disregard
> of conservatives, it's their pride in it that passes me by.
> --------------------------------------------
> Conservatively Incorrect http://www.dragonfire.net/~RJ/
>

· Rush Limbaugh - Sought deferment for ingrown hair follicle on his

ass. he had a cyst that made hin enilgible

[Gail Thaler]

Thomas Andrews wrote:
>
> In article <5rs44k$h6f$3...@nnrp1.crl.com>,
> William Rapp <pts...@crl3.crl.com> wrote:

> >: >> He got a student deferrment. That is not draft dodging. You are a
> >: >> wild-eyed SORE LOSER REPUBLICAN!
> >: >Whatever. Bill Clinton doesn't seem to be interested in serving his

> >: >nation unless it is low risk and feeds his massive ego.
> >

> >Clinton went to Moscow instead (a 'little' suspicious, no?)
> >
>

> Ummm, no, not even remotely suspicious. Rhodes Scholars are given
> a stipend for travel, and many Rhodes Scholars used it to explore
> both eastern and western Europe, including, yes, Moscow.
>
> --

Liddy Dole went too in the 50s when the cold war was
even worse.

Gail

[Conservative Republican]

Jim Kennemur wrote:
>
> On Sat, 02 Aug 1997 05:25:12 -0500, Conservative Republican
> <cn...@inlink.com> wrote:

>
> >Milt wrote:
>
> >> No, Limbaugh SAYS he had a medical deferment, you twit. Of course Rush
> >> also tells us there's no ozone layer hole, and that Vince Foster was
> >> murdered. Note that he has never divulged what the deferment was for.
> >> Of course, his father was a judge, and a GOP honcho, so who knows...
>

> >Milt,
> >1. he DID have a medical deferment
>

> For an ingrown hair follicle on his ass.

>
> >2.the hole was here before man was
>

> How can we know that if there was no one here to measure it?

>
> >3.his father was NOT a judge OR GOP honcho
>

> Better check that info. Rush's Daddy was a mover and a shaker in the
> Missouri Republican party.
>
> Rush learned his reactionary politics at the knee of his father and he
> has been on his knees ever since.
>
> Jim
>
> http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/1638/

>
> ========================================================================
> The first priest was the first rogue who met the first fool.
>
> Voltaire
> =========================================================================

i know this because i'm from limbaugh's hometown

[Milt]

On Sat, 2 Aug 1997, Conservative Republican wrote:

:Milt wrote:
:>
:> On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Conservative Republican wrote:
:>
:> :Woof wrote:
:> :>
:> :> In article <33E12CD4...@geocities.com>, rush_l...@geocities.com wrote:
:> :>

:> :> > Woof wrote:
:> :> >
:> :> > > He got a student deferrment. That is not draft dodging. You are a
:> :> > > wild-eyed SORE LOSER REPUBLICAN!

:> :> > >

:> :> > > --
:> :> > > Woof - so I don't get any more SPAM!!!
:> :> >

:> :> > Whatever. Bill Clinton doesn't seem to be interested in serving his

:> :> > nation unless it is low risk and feeds his massive ego.
:> :>

:> :> Clinton is brave enough to get out in front of crowds that include many
:> :> SORE LOSER REPUBLICANS whipped up by your namesake. That's pretty brave
:> :> with people getting on the radio whipping up all kinds of hatred against
:> :> him.
:> :>

:> :> Your namesake Rush Limbaugh managed to do pretty good at AVOIDING serving
:> :> his country when the time came.
:> :>

:> :> --
:> :> Woof - so I don't get any more SPAM!!!

:> :LImbaugh had a MEDICAL deferment you twit
:> :
:> No, Limbaugh SAYS he had a medical deferment, you twit. Of course Rush

:> also tells us there's no ozone layer hole, and that Vince Foster was
:> murdered. Note that he has never divulged what the deferment was for.
:> Of course, his father was a judge, and a GOP honcho, so who knows...

:>
:> --Milt

:> http://www.u.arizona.edu/~mshook
:>
:> "The genius of the Constitution rests not in any static meaning it may
:> have had in a world that is dead and gone, but in the adaptability of its
:> great principles to cope with current problems and present needs."
:>
:> Former Justice, the late William Brennan

:Milt,

:1. he DID have a medical deferment

Do you have a copy? Has he ever put it on his website? Has anyone ever
seen it?

:2.the hole was here before man was

No, it wasn't. In fact it wasn't there before Rush was born...

:3.his father was NOT a judge OR GOP honcho
:
Rush Junior was a judge in Cape Girardeau, and by virtue of the fact that
he was a Repug, would have been a de facto honcho...

Is it even possible for a dittohead to tell the truth?

[5th Centurion]

On Sat, 02 Aug 1997 07:48:48 -0500, Conservative Republican
<cn...@inlink.com> stated:

:Rack Jite wrote:

:> Comes Rack Jite's conservatively incorrect reply to whatever it was
:> Conservative Republican <cn...@inlink.com> was saying...

:> *> > > He got a student deferrment. That is not draft dodging. You are a
:> *> > > wild-eyed SORE LOSER REPUBLICAN!

:> *> Your namesake Rush Limbaugh managed to do pretty good at AVOIDING serving
:> *> his country when the time came.

:> *LImbaugh had a MEDICAL deferment you twit

:> Conservatives make great fun of President Clinton for questioning the

:> Vietnam War, standing up to his beliefs and questioning his own
:> participation in that war as well, i.e., being honest and walking the
:> walk of his own belief system at least for a time. On the other hand
:> there were literally millions of dishonest hypocritical, cowardly
:> right-wing loonies who supported the war while refusing to personally
:> participate. Here are just a few:

:> · Elliott Abrams - Sought deferment for bad back.
:> · Richard Armey - Sought college deferment, too smart to die.
:> · Bill Bennett - Sought graduate school deferment, too smart to die.
:> · Pat Buchanan - Sought deferment for bad knee.
:> · Dick Cheney - Sought graduate school deferment, too smart to die.
:> · Tom DeLay - - Sought college deferment, too smart to die.
:> · Newt Gingrich - Sought graduate school deferment, too smart to die.
:> · Phil Gramm - Sought marriage deferment, too loved to die.
:> · Jack Kemp - Sought medical deferment while in the NFL.

:> · Rush Limbaugh - Sought deferment for ingrown hair follicle on his
:> ass.
:> · Trent Lott - Sought deferment, didn't want to muss his hair.

:> · P.J. O'Rourke - Sought deferment, too stoned.
:> · Dan Quayle - Family got him into the Reserves.
:> · Pat Robertson - Father pulled him out of Korea as soon as the
:> shooting began.
:> · John Wayne - Sought deferment to further acting career.
:> · Vin Weber - Sought deferment for asthma.
:> · George Will - Sought deferment, too much of a wussy.

:> ---
:> I suppose I can understand the selfish callous disregard
:> of conservatives, it's their pride in it that passes me by.
:> --------------------------------------------
:> Conservatively Incorrect http://www.dragonfire.net/~RJ/

: · Rush Limbaugh - Sought deferment for ingrown hair follicle on his
: ass. he had a cyst that made hin enilgible

Quite a mantra you have going there ...Don't you find it quite ironic
that if he -were- such a true-red-white & blue-blooded American and
in the belief that our deployment of troops was to counter the "Red
Threat," don't you think he'd be one of the first in-country, being
the true-right-wing-wacko-psuedo-chicken-hawk-patriot that he is?
Hmmmmmmmmmmm? ; )

- Dominic
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[HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.]

Conservative Republican (cn...@inlink.com) wrote:

: Mitchell Holman wrote:
: >
: > In article <33E279...@inlink.com>, cn...@inlink.com wrote:
: >

: > }LImbaugh had a MEDICAL deferment you twit
: >
: > Right you are. That pimple on his butt was awfully convenient at

: > getting the draft board off his ass. How many doctors did he go thru
: > before finding one that would certify him 4F? Four or five, as I remember.
: >
: > Funny also that armchair warrior Limbaugh never tried to enlist in any
: > other branch of service either. Could he have gotten into the Coast Guard,
: > the reserves, or the ROTC at the college he dropped out of? We will never
: > know, now will we.......
: >
: > Mitchell Holman
: >
: > "For the first time in military history, U.S. military personnel
: > are not under the command of United States generals."
: > Rush Limbaugh on Bosnia, forgetting that US troops served under
: > French generals in WWI and the Revolutionary War. (TV show, 4/18/94)
: so what if rush didnt enlist he had a legit medical condition his father
: had the same
: condition

It's not a hereditary thing, other than maybe fat people are prone to it.
It comes from not cleaning your butt properly.

--
Buddy K

[Rack Jite]

Comes Rack Jite's conservatively incorrect reply to whatever it was
Conservative Republican <cn...@inlink.com> was saying...

*> Conservatives make great fun of President Clinton for questioning the
*> Vietnam War, standing up to his beliefs and questioning his own
*> participation in that war as well, i.e., being honest and walking the
*> walk of his own belief system at least for a time. On the other hand
*> there were literally millions of dishonest hypocritical, cowardly
*> right-wing loonies who supported the war while refusing to personally
*> participate. Here are just a few:
*>
*> · Elliott Abrams - Sought deferment for bad back.
*> · Richard Armey - Sought college deferment, too smart to die.
*> · Bill Bennett - Sought graduate school deferment, too smart to die.
*> · Pat Buchanan - Sought deferment for bad knee.
*> · Dick Cheney - Sought graduate school deferment, too smart to die.
*> · Tom DeLay - - Sought college deferment, too smart to die.
*> · Newt Gingrich - Sought graduate school deferment, too smart to die.
*> · Phil Gramm - Sought marriage deferment, too loved to die.
*> · Jack Kemp - Sought medical deferment while in the NFL.
*> · Rush Limbaugh - Sought deferment for ingrown hair follicle on his
*> ass.
*> · Trent Lott - Sought deferment, didn't want to muss his hair.
*> · P.J. O'Rourke - Sought deferment, too stoned.
*> · Dan Quayle - Family got him into the Reserves.
*> · Pat Robertson - Father pulled him out of Korea as soon as the
*> shooting began.
*> · John Wayne - Sought deferment to further acting career.
*> · Vin Weber - Sought deferment for asthma.
*> · George Will - Sought deferment, too much of a wussy.

*· Rush Limbaugh - Sought deferment for ingrown hair follicle on his
* ass. he had a cyst that made hin enilgible

hehe... Ain no one ever been in da army with a cyst!
Must be a HUMONGUS CYST to keep someone out...
Hes got a twenty pounder, but its on his head not on his ass.

No need for that finger-down-yer-throat stuff if ya wanna throw up.
Just think of Rush Limbaugh naked (on top - with giant cysts on his
ass) pounding it to Bill Bennett.

BORK!

Ouuu... A threesome, with Robert Bork as the Dildo Man. :)

[Shawn Martin]

Milt <msh...@U.Arizona.EDU> wrote in article

> :> Clinton is brave enough to get out in front of crowds that include
many
> :> SORE LOSER REPUBLICANS whipped up by your namesake. That's pretty
brave

Oh yeah, it's a really good comparison. Standing in front of millions of
people and lying through your teeth or fighting for your country. Good
correlation lotion boy.

> No, Limbaugh SAYS he had a medical deferment, you twit. Of course Rush
> also tells us there's no ozone layer hole, and that Vince Foster was
> murdered. Note that he has never divulged what the deferment was for.
> Of course, his father was a judge, and a GOP honcho, so who knows...

Rush has never said there was no ozone hole. He HAS said that the areas
that have thinning ozone in the arctic are temporary. They virtually
disappear in the months when the sun does not shine in these areas, which
has been well documented. The sun creates ozone so I suppose you lib's
will eventually try to tax the sun. Rush has also never said that Vince
Foster was murdered. He has discussed the speculation that he may have
been, so I guess you just take it one step further to meet your needs and
put words in his mouth.

--

Shawn Martin email: cr...@navix.net
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[John Parker]

On 2 Aug 1997 17:07:43 GMT, hkil...@osf1.gmu.edu (HENRY E. KILPATRICK

JR.) wrote:

>
>It's not a hereditary thing, other than maybe fat people are prone to it.
>It comes from not cleaning your butt properly.
>

...wow, how did you come to know so much about butts, Buddy?

To respond in a logical manner to your illogical posting is
not logical, but it is great fun to add to your obvious
confusion. Remove the $ from my email address.

-John Parker

[HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.]

Conservative Republican (cn...@inlink.com) wrote:
: Jim Kennemur wrote:
: >
: > On Sat, 02 Aug 1997 05:25:12 -0500, Conservative Republican
: > <cn...@inlink.com> wrote:
: >
: > >Milt wrote:
: >
: > >> No, Limbaugh SAYS he had a medical deferment, you twit. Of course Rush

: > >> also tells us there's no ozone layer hole, and that Vince Foster was
: > >> murdered. Note that he has never divulged what the deferment was for.
: > >> Of course, his father was a judge, and a GOP honcho, so who knows...

: >
: > >Milt,

: > >1. he DID have a medical deferment

: >
: > For an ingrown hair follicle on his ass.
: >
: > >2.the hole was here before man was
: >
: > How can we know that if there was no one here to measure it?
: >
: > >3.his father was NOT a judge OR GOP honcho
: >
: > Better check that info. Rush's Daddy was a mover and a shaker in the

: > Missouri Republican party.
: >
: > Rush learned his reactionary politics at the knee of his father and he
: > has been on his knees ever since.
: >
: > Jim
: >
: > http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/1638/
: >
: > ========================================================================
: > The first priest was the first rogue who met the first fool.
: >
: > Voltaire
: > =========================================================================
: i know this because i'm from limbaugh's hometown

Then why are you being less than truthful about the fat, lying demagogue's
family connections? And his deferment?

--
Buddy K